Layer 1 Blockchains

[Anonymous No.53278212]

New year, new Layer 1 thread. Which Layer 1 do you think is going to be the top dog a couple years down the line (non-Bitcoin)? Will Ethereum hold its position within the space, or will somethung usurp it's throne and take over? Does that Layer 1 even exist right now? Try and give some reasoning to your shilling on why you believe your choice will become dominant outside of your bags being really heavy

[Anonymous No.53278280]

>>53278212
Either ICP or a project that copies icp. Idk how anybody will be able to copy it due to the patents

[Anonymous No.53278308]

>>53278280
>Either ICP or a project that copies icp.
Now why is ICP something that will take hold in the space and eventually dominate?

[Anonymous No.53278322]

>>53278212
Cardano
CAPTCHA: K4YSM
/thread

[Anonymous No.53278402]

>>53278322
What about Cardano is so special compared to all the other Proof of Stake blockchains that already exist?

[Anonymous No.53278426]

i see we already got a meme reply
all memes aside, ethereum conclusively won the L1 game in 2017 by being credibly neutral, decentralized and architectured properly
then won it again decisively in 2020 as rollup tech matured and staking came out
there's fundamentally no reason for other L1s to compete as the main settlement layer. although they can and will exist as sidechains for niche applications (up to ~20% of the market)
normalfags are generally 5 years behind in their understanding. this lines up: nonsense like avalanche and solana finally collapsed in 2022. i don't think there's room for a third cycle of unneeded alt L1s pretending to be heir to the throne
instead, we'll see attempts to rebrand what matters in a blockchain. think data availability layer (celestia), or lightweight zkp (mina)
these will fade in a few years because they suffer from the same original sin as muh ethereum killers, insider bullshit with highly concentrated token supply and no credibly neutral means of distribution (the way pow over 5+ years was)
but if the normalfag timeline holds, snatching vc coins on the secondhand market during the bear should pay off when we go bull in 2025

[Anonymous No.53278525]

>>53278426
>decentralized
Does this still apply though post-PoS switch? Don't essentially three entities control 51%+ of all staking? Will a possible drop in decentralization negatively impact Ethereum's future potential mass adoption?

[Anonymous No.53278532]

>>53278426
Your opinion about L2 like Arbitrum, Optimism or Metis?

[Anonymous No.53278553]

>>53278212
Avalanche is best in blockchain fuck you benchods

[Anonymous No.53278595]

>>53278553
Can you give any reasons as to why?

[Anonymous No.53278615]

>>53278595
He gets paid to shill it. How often do you visit /biz/?

[Anonymous No.53278669]

>>53278426

[Anonymous No.53278682]

>>53278615
Just doing my best to try and encourage actual discussion on /biz/, as difficult as that is

[Anonymous No.53278775]

>most decentralized L1 (even more so than Ethereum)
>more than 90% of the tokens are already in the community's hands
>team has less then 10% of the tokens themselves
>Cardano staking works flawlessly from your own wallet
>more than 3,000 community owned stakepools
>Hydra heads rolling out next year, effectively giving Cardano 1000tps per Hydra head
>Peer reviewed tech
>Charles is a charismatic savant
>Can't be labeled a security due to ICO raised and distributed in Japan and due to the decentralized nature of Cardano
>Cardano stablecoins being rolled out early next year
>Cardano will have collateralized stablecoins and regulated stablecoins
>Cardano community tools being rolled out to code smart contracts in languages other than Haskell
>Cardano rolling out privacy focused chain called Midnight
>Midnight will have it's own token called DUST
>DUST will be distributed to those staking their ADA as a reward
>Midnight will be compliant with regulations
>Partnered with SingularityNET bringing AI tech to Cardano
>VC's have no investment in Cardano, therefore can't dump Cardano
>Cardano's utxo model is based on Bitcoin
>Cardano has a hardcap on tokens
>Slow and steady wins the race

Yup. Cardano is #1

[Anonymous No.53278819]

>>53278775
>>most decentralized L1 (even more so than Ethereum)
That's Chia with 120,000 nodes and a nakomoto coefficient of >74.

[Anonymous No.53278821]

>>53278775
At least this post's got some stuff in it, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.53278914]

>>53278308
alien tech. ez choice

[Anonymous No.53278915]

>>53278595
>>53278682
>>53278615

Subnets allow it to scale infintely, regardless of how much activity and adoption grow.

Pretty much any entity can customize/ work with it, since subnets act as walled gardens, allowing for fast and loose startups as well as highly regulated entities to be on it.

Transaction finality faster than visa.

[Anonymous No.53278926]

I am mainly in Avax, but I also hold some considerable amount of Kadena as it will go up to top 50 during this cycle. Solana is the biggest surprise to me among them all. Despite having a shit technology and being tangled with scandals they are still pumping. I honestly don't get it.

[Anonymous No.53278955]

>>53278212
Cardano, no doubt about that

[Anonymous No.53279014]

Algorand is the only L1 blockchain which is fit for purpose, assuming the purpose is finance. DeFi in general is a crock of shit until stocks and commodities can directly interface with debt, stocks, and commodities, but it works better on Algorand than anywhere else. Probabilistic finality (Bitcoin, Ethereum, Avalanche, Solana, most other L1s and L2s) makes zero sense for any financial application. The fact that the set of truly active relay nodes (strictly for communication between participation nodes) being federated by the Algorand Foundation is the only major issue with Algorand in general speaks volumes on its own. Everything in the EVM crypto ecosystem is a scam and everyone knows it. More than 40 million ETH were sold to private investors and the odd Bitcoin nerd in order to fund the Ethereum Foundation, so it only stands to reason that much of that capital is held by a few powerful, unaccountable entities pulling the strings. The decentralized settlement layer for global finance shouldn’t be built by some nerd crying about an item nerf in WoW, it should be built by the esteemed cryptography researchers and inventors at Algorand Inc. Solidity is far less fit for secure financial applications than TEAL. I could go on, but you should know that I genuinely believe that all of crypto is a scam and that Algorand intends to be a useful blockchain instead of a lucrative Ponzi scheme like all other L1s discussed here. I will never care about the ALGO token’s price but I’m buying back in at $0.10 max.

[Anonymous No.53279121]

>>53279014

>being federated by the Algorand Foundation is the only major issue with Algorand in general speaks volumes on its own

[Anonymous No.53279185]

>>53278426
ETH launched in 2015 with a 72M coin pre-mine. Circulating supply is 122M today. That is a 59% pre-mine... in Jan. 2023.
ETH is also an illegal security (launched with an ICO), and even more blatantly so now that it's Proof-of-Stake-only. Seriously, go Google the Howey criteria. It is clear as day.
ETH's switch to Proof of Stake also means that it is controlled by Lido, Coinbase, and the Ethereum Foundation now.
>>53279014
So what you are really saying is that:
1. Algorand cannot function without the 100%-federated relay nodes, and
2. Everything else in Algorand is just needless complexity whose only conceivable purpose is to conceal this fact
Is that correct?

[Anonymous No.53279222]

>>53278682
>Just doing my best to try and encourage actual discussion on /biz/, as difficult as that is
Based and appreciated anon, sometimes to get over you have to go through.

[Anonymous No.53279295]

>>53279185
Algorand can function without the set of relay nodes being federated, they relay node runners just need some tangible incentive to continue running since they’re generally higher-capacity than participation nodes. Algorand isn’t needlessly complex at all, and Pure Proof of Stake actually makes consensus simpler and finality certain. Ethereum is a mess in all respects, they don’t even trust node runners to be able to remove their stake. The de-federation of the relay node set is a high priority for the Algorand Foundation right now because it’s one of the few actual issues most people have with Algorand. I’ve been depicted as a basedjak anyway, it’s over.

[Anonymous No.53279390]

>>53279185
>ETH launched in 2015 with a 72M coin pre-mine. Circulating supply is 122M today. That is a 59% pre-mine... in Jan. 2023.
Honestly a premine isn't the absolute worst so long as it isn't also associated with PoS. Throw in Proof of Stake though and suddenly you have a serious uneven distribution of power over the network (see: ICP and its distribution of coins to early investors and others with less than 251 total entities getting over 50% of coins)

[Anonymous No.53279548]

>>53278426
mina is a pajeet coin anon lol

[Anonymous No.53279951]

>>53278280
ICP is not a layer 1, it doesn't have the throughput capacity to compete with actual L1s and it's also extremely centralized and permissioned comparatively.
>>53278426
Brainlet mETHhead take
>>53279014
Avalanche does not have probabilistic finality nor Solana so your whole premise is invalid.
>>53278595
I'll tell you why OP. Avalanch is a seamlessly interoperable network of heterogenous groups of validators called subnets. These subnets can run an arbitrary VM(s) with an arbitrary database configuration (DAG, linear blocks, etc.) with arbitrary validator hardware requirements, they can be permissioned or permissionless, can have essentially an unlimited number of validators with no impact to performance, can have its own independent token/gas model, and can send arbitrary messages to any and all other subnets on avalanche with no additional trust assumptions. All subnets benefit from the virtues of snow family consensus protocols which are sub second finality (no waiting for confirmations or slots), decoupling tx throughput/TTF from the number of validators (unlimited decentralization), every node in a subnet taking part in consensus of every block (no complex/vulnerable/centralized beacons, committees, etc.), the protocols are extremely light weight (nodes run on a consumer laptop), and they are supremely efficient which removes consensus as a bottleneck for throughput (every other chain is kneecapped by the properties of either nakamoto or classical consensus).
Avalanche can run literally any other chain's VM and it will do it faster in a more decentralizable manner. It is the most performant and decentralized consensus layer in existence.

[Anonymous No.53280006]

>>53279951
>and decentralized consensus layer
I have a feeling Chia beats out AVAX on decentralization handedly.

[Anonymous No.53280034]

>>53278212
HBAR 6 digit TPS and $10 EOY.
Screenshot this.

[Anonymous No.53280043]

>>53278212
bitcoin, icp, avax, chainlink. Everything else will be shitcoins and memes

[Anonymous No.53280053]

>>53278308
icp has actual use cases

[Anonymous No.53280071]

>>53280034

[Anonymous No.53280151]

>>53279951
Last I checked avax has a current throughput of like 1tps or less lmao. You faggots are so retarded. Icp is sitting at 5k tps right now and it was up to 10k steady for like a week last month. Nobody cares what your theoretical throughput is when nobody uses you shit chain. Also when people do actually use it (to trade dog tokens or whatever cause that’s all avax can do) the gas shoots through the roof. I don’t even know why I bother with you paid shill faggots cause every time you get btfo you just hop to a new thread but I’ll say it again NOBODY NEEDS OR WANTS YOUR SHITTY ETH CLONE.

[Anonymous No.53280583]

>>53280006
how many entities control 51% of chia's storage?
Also I should have said
>most decentralized *performant* consensus layer in existence.
Nakamoto consensus of any flavor is a non starter and will never be able to handle anything other than trivial amounts of L1 traffic. Also liveness>safety is also a non starter for anything economic.

>>53280151
>My car can only go as fast as the needle says I'm going
Typical midwit CTRL+C icp reply.
Go ahead and tell the class how ICP defines "transaction" on their dashboard kek

[Anonymous No.53280778]

>>53280583
>how many entities control 51% of chia's storage?
Absolute minimum nakomoto coefficient is 74 since I'm going off of the xchscan.com/top-farmers metric which only does a top 50 and assuming anyone beyond #50 is making the same number of blocks. It's likely much higher than that.

[Anonymous No.53280788]

$MTRG

[Anonymous No.53280862]

>>53280583
It counts it by updates and queries and even if you only count updates it’s still thousand of times the current throughput of avax. Icp is steadily gaining real adoption through the bear market while nobody is using avax. Like I said avax is only good for trading dog tokens like the thousand other “eth killers” and nobody is trading dog tokens in the bear market which is why avax has near zero throughput.

[Anonymous No.53280913]

>>53280034
It's funny that Chia's current tps (20, will be 40 sometime within the year) is higher than ETH while having laughably lower system requirements for running a node. Shit can be done on a Pi4

[Anonymous No.53281009]

>>53278212
>no mention of FTM
nice psyops excluding the best L1 bar ethereum

[Anonymous No.53281054]

>>53278212
>Chia
Kek. Layer 2 even exist?

[Anonymous No.53281422]

>>53280862
uh huh and how many of those updates are from users? And how many of those user updates are actual value carrying transactions between two parties? given that's the purpose of an L1 after all

[Anonymous No.53281474]

I am gonna take a bath and fap. Which coin should I fap to?

[Anonymous No.53281492]

>>53281474
>paging avaxchan bro

[Anonymous No.53281503]

>>53278212
>It's the subtle chia shill Pajeet thread again
Fuck off, chiggers. Your ghostchain will never have any real adoption, buy polygon.

[Anonymous No.53281567]

XRP

[Anonymous No.53281585]

>>53278212
KDA BY FAR
and I am a womaN

[Anonymous No.53281601]

>>53281422
>the only purpose of an l1 is to trade dog tokens b-because I said it is okay!

Your mistaken fren. Trading dog tokens is the only purpose of avax because that’s all it can do. Icp hosts full stack web content so its dapps are fully on chain. Avax doesn’t even have the capacity to host its own nfts lmao. All your cute little monkey pictures and “dapps built on avax” are hosted on amazon web services.

[Anonymous No.53281912]

>>53281054
They're implementing BLS opcodes this quarter which will allow building of Layer 2's with stuff like ZK rollups, though it's not like they're needed right now.
>>53281503
>Layer 1 thread
>Tells people to buy a Layer 2
Genius.

[Anonymous No.53282049]

>>53281601
Nice dodge by not answering the question.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/13/kkr-dives-into-avalanche-blockchain-to-tokenize-and-democratize-financial-services/
or, you know tokenized assets from multibillion dollar funds kek and that's just the first of many.

No one is going to want to use a bare bones, unfamiliar, untested stack just to have entirely inadequate throughput + notably worse latency, all so they can pump your infinitely dumping bags. No company or government is ever going to want to host their shit on a platform completely governed by a DAO that can fuck with them with a 51% vote. Avalanche could run the IC VM tho, if there ever is actual demand for it which is highly doubtful, on a subnet with beefier nodes and it wouldn't be so throughput limited while also having the potential for much more decentralized validator sets. Meanwhile ICP can barely accomplish the most basic function of an L1, sending an atomic dog coin transaction.

[Anonymous No.53282050]

>>53281912
Polygon and ETH are the only coins that matter, you can buy ETH if you want but it won't give you the same returns. Every other L1 and L2 are dead and irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.53282090]

>>53279951
>don't buy icp, it's centralized
>instead buy eth, which can be rolled back
>maybe buy sqlana, where protocol devs can liquidate lending positions
>just buy avax, it has an aws partnership to run nodes, that will make it decentralized
>write an entire paragraph to prove I'm a drooling retard

[Anonymous No.53282115]

>>53278212
Proton Blockchain, screen cap this.

[Anonymous No.53282132]

>>53281912
Polygon isn’t a layer 2. It is a side chain

[Anonymous No.53282153]

>>53278212
I like mina but I'm also a retard
But I liked matic under 2 cents too

[Anonymous No.53282161]

The real answer is that none of these DLTs will be used for anything interesting. Arguing over data structures and which is better is retarded. Nothing in this market is based on logic or utility because there is none of either.

[Anonymous No.53282169]

>>53282090
>it has an aws partnership to run nodes, that will make it decentralized
Avalanche Validators can run on ANY cloud provider and pretty much on ANY server.
also best staking mechanism in Crypto.

[Anonymous No.53282196]

>>53278212
all of those blockchains apart from eth are utter garbage and wtf is chia and kadena even doing there, why not throw in Zenon and Wanchain while your at it, they got just as much traction as those pieces of shit.
TLDR;
fuck your data mining thread and fuck you.

[Anonymous No.53282201]

>>53278212

[Anonymous No.53282206]

>don't buy icp, it's centralized
correct, also you will get dumped on by VCs and insiders including Dominic Williams for the next 2-3 years
>instead buy eth, which can be rolled back
No do not buy ETH, dead end tech.
>maybe buy sqlana, where protocol devs can liquidate lending positions
I wouldn't buy it but it's not really correct to say it has probabilistic finality.
>just buy avax, it has an aws partnership to run nodes, that will make it decentralized
The partnership isn't just about one click nodes, read more please.
>write an entire paragraph to prove I'm a drooling retard
"1 post by this ID" samefag or schizo?

[Anonymous No.53282222]

>>53282049
>bro avax can totally do everything icp can do it just doesn’t want to!!!

Mega cope. Avax is just another eth clone you can cope about tokenizing real assets but every other l1 can do that. Nobody uses your shit chain for anything like I said the throughput is like 1tps through the whole bear market.

[Anonymous No.53282253]

>>53278212
Dyor on Railgun, an L1 on-chain privacy system built using smart contracts and powered by zk proofs

[Anonymous No.53282318]

>>53278212
Aztec is also a centralized protocol with a single sequencer node that all transactions must pass through, meaning the team retains full control over their smart contracts and verifier.

[Anonymous No.53282327]

>>53282222
>muh webhosting
not cope, it really just is not that special. It's a shitty use of blockchain/DLT/BFT that leads to worse UX. This is evidenced by the fact that nobody actually uses the IC for anything. It just cringe, inferior, laggy clones of popular web2.0 apps with few actual users.

Tokenizing real world assets is THE killer value proposition for crypto. Avalanche has sub second finality, throughput only bounded by the VM/DB chosen, and the flexibility at the platform level to meet regulation around the world while still retaining interoperability with every public subnet with no additional trust assumptions. No other chain can do this.

[Anonymous No.53282328]

>>53278402
I’ve never gotten an answer to this question either

[Anonymous No.53282347]

>>53282050
>Every other L1 and L2 are dead and irrelevant.
I mean how are ETH and Polygon actually relevant in any way either? No large groups are actually building real-world stuff on any of the major blockchains right now. It's just cryptoshit promoting more cryptoshit tokens that don't mean anything. Hell it'll probably stay that way too until the Ripple case is completed and companies know where most chains legally stand in the US.

[Anonymous No.53282369]

>>53282253
Hey dude, you need to consider uniswap, user have a chance of swapping tokens safely.

[Anonymous No.53282383]

>>53282327
You say nobody actually uses it but it’s growing by pretty much ever metric through a bear market while your shitty eth clone is dying out with no users. Icp is still in its infancy and it already has tons of dapps that are simply not possible on your shitty eth clone and the things being built rn are honestly incredible and will shake the entire blockchain space. You trade dog tokens we build real tech with real use case.

[Anonymous No.53282412]

>>53282050
You don't have to say this when you've not done your research on Railgun Aztec Link Dai

[Anonymous No.53282451]

>>53278212
L1 Defi projects that use zero knowledge proofs deserve some respect. They're way bigger and are getting to the top.

[Anonymous No.53282489]

>>53279295
It'll be slow as fuck without federated relays. They're strategically located to minimize network latency as much and highly compensated. The network is less robust than others which are already battle tested in a pemissionless environment. Algorand is very behind on tech, and this is just one area.

[Anonymous No.53282660]

>>53282383
TPS (Ill humor you and call it that) is on the decline, new internet identities have pretty much flatlined, ICP burned is flat, etc.

Meanwhile here's the C-chain stats alone (which you keep quoting the average TPS figure for): https://stats.avax.network/dashboard/overview/
For being in the depths of a bear market with public confidence in crypto at an all time low, it's really quite good for a defi chain that doesn't have the name recognition/OG whales of ETH. That is simply a single chain though. There are currently 34 subnets and there's 300 unique ones on test net right now who are planning to deploy in the next 1-2 years.

YOU don't build any tech at all, you're a baggie shilling on biz kek. The use case is poor though and the numbers show it.

[Anonymous No.53282674]

>>53278553
Why do you refer to it as the best when there are other ones that are even patented and have real-life applications?


There is no doubt the potential chain has, along with payment solutions like Xpress, Eazypal, and Fuse.

[Anonymous No.53282726]

>>53282383
You lost when you started throwing insults at the token

[Anonymous No.53282765]

If the network can't do atleast this, it has no chance
Last 24 hours

[Anonymous No.53282777]

nothing will top ethereum, these "eth killers" can't even compete with polygon that's powering more dapps, has better technology, working with the biggest companies and brands in the world...

[Anonymous No.53282787]

>>53282660
>tps is on decline
It’s not unless you count that week where we were running 10k tps all week
>internet identities have flatlined
Another Jewish lie pic related, also internet identity is not the only wallet, and unlike your shitty eth clone you don’t even need a wallet to use icp.
>icp burned is flat
It’s steadily growing with nice spikes from different dapps going live. (Remember dapps are actually on chain with icp not stored on cloud like with avax)

I looked at your dashboard and your max tps last week was 254 with a total of less than 10m transactions. Icp does that amount in about 30 minutes and you want to brag about throughput it’s laughable.

[Anonymous No.53282806]

>>53282347
Polygon is partnered with many top companies, Chia is a ghostchain only listed on kucoin and most people only know how it kills SSDs.

[Anonymous No.53282815]

>>53282253
It secures privacy for DEX trading and lending.

[Anonymous No.53282870]

>>53282318
Aztec is centralised with limitations whereas RAIL as a prifi has no risk of a rug-pull or changes that put privacy at risk.

[Anonymous No.53282911]

>>53282318
I wouldnt consider that to be private enough or a privacy protocol. I'd pick Dash and Railgun over Aztech always.

[Anonymous No.53282937]

>>53282369
safely doesnt mean privately. I bet uniswap does not have the tech to hide transaction details on-chain.

[Anonymous No.53282964]

I'm not even into L1s although have some Btc as a hedge.
It's pretty clear to me that Avalanche is emerging S the winner in this race. The AWS announcement is bullish beyond compare and gives avalanche an unquestionable lead here. Pretending otherwise looks very much like cope at this point.
t. Link maxi

[Anonymous No.53282983]

>>53282787
>TPS
Update transactions (because that's the only thing that's actually relevant here) are 50% of what they were in November.
>Flatline Users
kek your puny goy brain can't seem to understand axis limits. In the time ICP added ~200k users avalanche more than doubled from 1.5M to 3.4M, and that's only the C-Chain.
>ICP burn
anon, I...5k ICP burned in the past 3 months...~100k total...
Again, not sure how many times I have to say this, ICP has $300k TVL and no actual defi, so that's 10M transactions last week on a single chain compared to 0 transactions on the entirety of ICP kek
Avalanche has subnets that do things other than just defi as well. Large billion dollar companies are using avalanche infrastructure for actual use cases that aren't just shitty paid for NFT marketplaces like polygon.

[Anonymous No.53283056]

>>53282451
PriFis are positively leveraging on ZK tech and its fucking good to see how much progress they've made.

[Anonymous No.53283103]

>ITT: Cope
Hedera will win, the competition is nonexistent
Many will come to this realization soon enough

[Anonymous No.53283110]

>>53283103
Hbaggies are so fucking pathetic it's unreal.

[Anonymous No.53283212]

>>53278532
arbitrum and optimism are valuable for obvious reasons. they're serious teams, they build their own tech, they're aligned with ethereum
hard to find a reason for metis. it's an optimism fork with extra vcs. when it comes to token distribution and insider multiplier, in that regard it's basically solana as a rollup. those presale groups are still about 20x up despite all the dumping

[Anonymous No.53283248]

>>53282983
A new address receiving tokens doesn’t equate to a new user. Also you are trying to compare all wallets on avax with only one wallet on icp. it’s a completely retarded and it’s becoming pretty clear that it’s not even worth wasting my time refuting your bullshit because you are completely disingenuous with your arguments and I can tell you are not retarded enough to not be doing it in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.53283302]

>>53283212
Arbitrum integrating with Railgun(a privacy protocol) is more reason why I am hyped about both projects. That's a based partnership.

[Anonymous No.53283725]

>>53282327
You just don't get it do you. You are still falling for the 2020 "tokenized assets! Quadzillions in derivatives to be tokenized onchain!" meme. No fucking real world assets are going to be tokenized on Avax. That shit is like 8 years away and it sure as fuck won't be on some random L1. It will either be in the most trusted network ETH or it will be on a private/custom blockchain. Either way this retarded meme of TradFi adopting these random L1's as their platform of choice is hilariously naive and cringe.

ICP on the other fucking hand has built an entire system/suite that CAN NEVER be competed with. Good fucking luck catching up to them lol.

AND they have unleashed it to the crypto world. They built an empty world with web3 specific physics and gravity and geometry. It is up to the web3 developers to build the shit that will grow the userbase AND THEY FUCKING CURRENTLY ARE RETARD!

By next bullrun the Dfinity ecosystem will dwarf the shit L1s and L2s. As a dev nothing is like the ICP developer experience.....Nothing! Fuck solidity, rust, haskell, evms, metamask, fucking bullshit web2 tech stacks. FUCK THEM ALL.

You have no idea how comfy ICP is as a dev. Wait this custom web3 world gets built.

ICP is a general purpose compute platform.....but muh TPS muh financial transactions!

Yawn.

You would think the faggot dog coins making more money than all DeFi projects combined would have alerted retard like this 2 years ago but nope he's still harping on TPS and muh tradfi is coming to <insert favorite faggot chain>

[Anonymous No.53283801]

>>53282983
>Large billion dollar companies are using avalanche infrastructure for actual use cases
Dude are you still stuck in 2017?

KEK!

> muh large corporation is using our tech, we've partnered with them!

LMAO. Fucking hilarious dude. Seriously. You are very cute anon. Must be new.

[Anonymous No.53283918]

hilarious how biz, as always, still hasn't seen the potential of a good project... $azero

[Anonymous No.53284304]

>>53283212
Never looked much into Arbitrum, it doesnt have a token right?
Is that still coming or how would you go about investing in Arbitrum otherwise?

[Anonymous No.53284307]

>>53278212
Cardano is the only decentralized one that can scale

[Anonymous No.53284321]

>>53278775
True and the reason why cardano will be the most popular layer 1 Blockchain

[Anonymous No.53284327]

>>53278212
cardano will win as turtle vs rabbit.

[Anonymous No.53284404]

>>53278322
checked & this
>>53278402
>>53282328
staking that actually isn't a pain in the ass
decentralized
no stops/hickups shady shit

[Anonymous No.53284565]

>>53283056
Privacy protocol is the new narrative everyone will be looking at.

[Anonymous No.53284596]

>>53283918
A good layer 1 privacy but there are other privacy protocols with better and imporved tech like using relayers and ZKPs.

[Anonymous No.53284625]

>>53278212
Charles in charge.

[Anonymous No.53284639]

>>53284304
Time to be positioned for their token. Privacy protocols will be deploying on arbitrum too. Will make it secured.

[Anonymous No.53284643]

>>53284596
would you mind telling me your favorite ones, I would like to check up on the competition/potential of those

[Anonymous No.53284721]

>>53283302
Looks like L2 are also picking on privacy protocols.

[Anonymous No.53284746]

Why do you even ask?

[Anonymous No.53284915]

>>53284746
Shhh they are coping & seething
It's a non-competition, hedera is on a completely another level compared to these shit networks

[Anonymous No.53284966]

>>53279951
>Avalanche does not have probabilistic finality

https://docs.avax.network/overview/getting-started/avalanche-consensus
>Finality
>Avalanche consensus is probabilistically safe up to a safety threshold

[Anonymous No.53284967]

Kaspa will be very high up. Even a half retarded pajeet can understand the idea. Fast pow is simple. Very secure (well, pow is often correlating with this) is very simple. Moving money fast from wallet to wallet is easily demonstrated. Scaling with internet after dagknight is bit more complicated but maybe a non retarded pajeets gets this and understand that it is a good thing.
There is plenty good L1 too but the stupid masses are unable to understand the idea of Link, Constellation or ICP for example. So without many big investors they can not rocket.

[Anonymous No.53284982]

>>53284746
Explain me why we need Hedera. Imagine I speak bad english and my school history is on a level of a 9 year old western kid.

[Anonymous No.53284998]

>>53284966
read the whole paragraph
>This means waiting an hour for transaction settlement. In Avalanche, acceptance/rejection are final and irreversible and take a few seconds.
c'mon, they even put it in bold for retards like yourself

[Anonymous No.53285017]

Depends, Which one i like the most? Probably Fantom. But if i'm being honest Avalanche seem like the most refined and complete protocol available at the moment, They also have very competent team so it's a big plus.

I'm eyeing startware for 2023-2024, but it's L2.

[Anonymous No.53285054]

>>53284982
Hashgraph is the right way to do consensus.
Build a robust decentralized and rotative consortium is the best way to govern a public network.

[Anonymous No.53285059]

>>53282806
>partnered with many top companies,
Partnerships don't mean shit in blockchain, 2018 should've taught everyone that. What is actually built for use on a chain is the only thing that should matter.

[Anonymous No.53285072]

>>53285054
>decentralized
>Node operators are chosen by the devs
Lol.

[Anonymous No.53285078]

>>53285072
>The devs
>Governing council that is the most decentralized governing body on the earth
Do more research buddy

[Anonymous No.53285083]

>>53284998
The consensus mechanism is probabilistic, but they set some parameters to pretend it isn't.

[Anonymous No.53285119]

>>53285072
The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.53285122]

>>53278426
>nonsense like avalanche and solana finally collapsed in 2022
aVaX coLlaPsEd bEcAuSe iT dUmpeD 92% uNliKe eTh thAt DumPeD 82% !!1!!1

[Anonymous No.53285144]

>>53283725
>No fucking real world assets are going to be tokenized on Avax
kkr is just the beginning. seethe more
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/09/13/investment-giant-kkr-puts-portion-of-private-equity-fund-on-avalanche-blockchain/

[Anonymous No.53285252]

>>53278212
If you bet on chainlink CCIP it won't matter which layer 1 will be the top.

[Anonymous No.53285382]

>>53285252
what is CCIP

[Anonymous No.53285506]

>>53279390
Biggest stakers get the biggest rewards. The big 3 can easily act in their own interest. Eth went to shit when they rolled back the chain. I don't hold any eth or etc but etc is unironically the real eth.

[Anonymous No.53285875]

>>53281585
even Thanos said KDA is dead.

[Anonymous No.53285951]

>>53285382
Cute Child Internet Porn.

[Anonymous No.53287537]

>not one mention of saito
kek stay lagging biz

[Anonymous No.53287796]

>>53278426
This is autism in it's purist form.
ETH is slow, expensive and clunky.
The only reason it's popular is because people accumulated eth wealth when electricity was cheap and they were printing coins out of thin air. You're going to get left behind. Seethe cope dilate

[Anonymous No.53287846]

>>53278212
KEK you retards will go back and forth drooling and spittling over cardano and avax and whatever other retarded shit coin you can think of, and while you do this you don't even realize what's happening with Hedera. Biz is so retarded; I'm so glad you fucks won't make it. It used to frustrate me how retarded this board is, most of you just spew pseudointellectual drivel, but now it just makes me laugh. I just hope too many of you don't rope when the time comes, just remember your life is more important than money. And when you do eventually realize you missed out on the easiest investment of your life it's okay to cry, but like I said just don't kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.53287919]

>>53287846
>Says everyone else is dumb and their blockchain of choice is the best
>Doesn't actually say anything meaningful about why their choice is good (because people might actually be able to argue against you then)

[Anonymous No.53287933]

>>53287846
>HBAR
Fuck off back to tiktok

[Anonymous No.53288066]

>>53287919
>Says everyone else is dumb and their blockchain of choice is the best
>Doesn't actually say anything meaningful about why their choice is good (because people might actually be able to argue against you then)

It’s a hashgraph not a blockchain dumb nigger, and just because you were a good boy and you asked so politely I’ll educate you. You see the picture? That’s the TPS as after atma.io went live.

What is atma.io?

>At atma.io, we believe in a future where every physical item will have a unique digital identity. A future where our world is better connected. A future of potential and possibility, with the Internet of Things bringing benefits to our daily lives. atma.io provides a single source of truth for brands, supply chains, and consumers for truly connected products.

>atma.io, connected product cloud, is a platform that unlocks the power of connected products, empowering brands to drive savings and sustainability through traceability.

This alone should be sparking your interest because this is the holy grail. This is an actual real world use case by a large enterprise that is live NOW. The hedera council is filled with large enterprises all building out separate use cases. Hedera has won the race for enterprise/institutional adoption. I won’t be too inflammatory because I want to have a real discussion, there is still room for more than one DLT in this space, but it’s so clear that Hedera is one of the winners; in my mind one of the biggest winners.

If you need me to explain how this translates to token price accrual I can.

[Anonymous No.53288076]

>>53288066
Kek forgot to post the picture

[Anonymous No.53288183]

>>53282201
yes

[Anonymous No.53288193]

>>53279185
>>ETH launched in 2015 with a 72M coin pre-mine. Circulating supply is 122M today. That is a 59% pre-mine... in Jan. 2023.

So you are complaining about 59% inflation over 8 years? Care to comment on the comparable rate of inflation on other L1s? TelL me, have you seen ETH issuance since PoS? And that is with comparable little transaction volume.

>>ETH is also an illegal security (launched with an ICO), and even more blatantly so now that it's Proof-of-Stake-only. Seriously, go Google the Howey criteria. It is clear as day.

SEC already stated that ETH is a commodity, you should pay more attention to the enormous amount of legal docs published during 2022. It was stated in WRITING in an official legal complaint against an unrelated 3rd party. Have you ever noticed no one brings it up anymore?

>>ETH's switch to Proof of Stake also means that it is controlled by Lido, Coinbase, and the Ethereum Foundation now.


Have you seen the % of OFAC compliance? Do you not realize the multitude of LSD protocols coming out? You probably do not even know about https://divalabs.org/.. Anyone can spin up a node in their home. The 32ETH cost may be prohibitive but is comparable cheap when looking at other L1s.

[Anonymous No.53288245]

The L1 trade is over.

Ethereum won. L2s like Arbitrum and Optimism have more volume than even the most popular "Ethereum-killers" like Avalanche.

The network effect is here to stay. There may be select use cases for the other chains and they may even become the #1 player for that use case. But from an overall volume, developer attractiveness, profit, etc. standpoint, Ethereum won.

[Anonymous No.53288274]

>>53288076
based

[Anonymous No.53288293]

>>53288245
>But from an overall volume, developer attractiveness, profit, etc. standpoint, Ethereum won.
So what major corps or world governments are using Ethereum? Your definition of winning couldn't possibly just be which chain has the most activity of shitcoins and garbage NFTs, can it?

[Anonymous No.53288456]

>>53288293
>Your definition of winning couldn't possibly just be which chain has the most activity of shitcoins and garbage NFTs, can it?

Kek that is absolutely his definition of it.

[Anonymous No.53288494]

>>53278212
Stacking FREED.

[Anonymous No.53288538]

>>53288293
No corps or governments use this shit and they never will. They're not waiting on some super secret new smart contract platform; they have no interest in this garbage and never will. Anyone telling you otherwise is trying to sell you something.

People that actually cared about making this shit work built stuff on Eth, people that wanted to make money shilled their own ETH killers. Ethereum won in 2020, it was fucking obvious. You can still make money buying garbage but the only SC platform worth a shit in the long run is ETH.

[Anonymous No.53288589]

>>53282451
for example..

[Anonymous No.53288592]

>>53288538
You’re so stupid and yet you have the confidence to share your opinion! That’s incredible anon really.

[Anonymous No.53288753]

>>53288538
>they have no interest in this garbage and never will

[Anonymous No.53288832]

>>53288753
>This allows the collector to better display their purchased artwork on a large screen as true works of art.

wow truly transformational anon lmfao

[Anonymous No.53288892]

>>53288193
>pre-mine
Huh? Ethereum ending mining rewards makes the pre-mine a larger fraction of its overall issuance, not smaller. I also never claimed that other L1s have better tokenomics. Most of them are just as bad, if not worse, than ETH's.
>commodity
That tweet was:
1. not legally binding
2. not even from the SEC (it was from the CFTC)
and thus completely irrelevant to whether or not the SEC will deem it a security. Don't get me wrong, I think they will go after the more brash idiots like XRP first (and win) before going after ETH. But it's only a matter of time.
>liquid staking
Ethereum devs literally have no timeline for implementing unstaking. so you can just lock up $45K in some "liquid staking" protocol and hope that Vitalik lets you get it out before Ethereum is in the single digits and/or the sun explodes. i mean, we all know that Ethereum has a great track record of timely releases.

[Anonymous No.53288937]

>>53288832
The OpenSea killer.

[Anonymous No.53288969]

>>53282806
My brother is friends with Ryan Wyatt. The Polygon “partnerships” are retarded NFT projects and video game shit.

[Anonymous No.53288988]

>>53288892
What is your opinion on icp? And is anything besides btc a commodity?

[Anonymous No.53288992]

>>53283103
>muh transactions!

Nigger, who cares? Decentralized Recovery is way more interesting and significant and all these Hbar fags are excited about a bunch of stupid transactions happening from atma which generate no value

[Anonymous No.53289090]

>>53278212
L1 privacy will be a big thing in the space soon, especially now that regulation is hitting the space

[Anonymous No.53289109]

>>53278532
Arbitrum is based, they recently integrated a L1 privacy into their chain recently

[Anonymous No.53289133]

>>53278212
Fuck these, protocols that encompass L1 and L2s is my pick, like Railgun whose privacy SDK can be integrated into any L1 and soon in L2. It's the interoperability for me.

[Anonymous No.53289204]

>>53288992
>Nigger, who cares? Decentralized Recovery is way more interesting and significant and all these Hbar fags are excited about a bunch of stupid transactions happening from atma which generate no value

Nigger there is no value without businesses conducting business on the network (ie transactions). I agree decentralized recovery is big too though

[Anonymous No.53289332]

Oasis ROSE

Look at it pump while any other crabbed or dumped, this is preview for the next bullrun

[Anonymous No.53289342]

>>53282815
Railway is already pulling the strings for a more secured and privacy dex/wallet

[Anonymous No.53289809]

>>53289332
It's all privacy, most of them are pumping dumb ass because it's trending with all this shit going down.

[Anonymous No.53289818]

>>53288992
>Nigger, who cares?
Mastercard.
https://youtu.be/Fw5RyrJLvJw

[Anonymous No.53289988]

>>53288988
>ICP
I really like the idea of a distributed marketplace for compute resources. I wouldn't say that ICP is "decentralized" in the way that Bitcoin is, and it probably never will be, but that's ok. If it can enable automated markets for processing power, data bandwidth, and storage, that in and of itself is valuable. E.g., your business needs some AI task computed, you just send it to the network, and datacenters/providers bid on it and the lowest bidder then executes it. I think Akash Network is also doing something like that.
>commodities
Yeah, there are a few coins besides Bitcoin. Having done an ICO at any point is an instant disqualifier. As >>53279390 said, having a pre-mine isn't a problem per se, it has to do with how the pre-mined coins were sold to investors. In addition to BTC, I think that LTC, XMR, and XCH can be safely considered commodities.

[Anonymous No.53290242]

>>53289988
>and XCH
My man. Also as dumb as it might be, shit like Doge is also safe in the eyes of the SEC. Then the rest of the PoW coins in the top 100 of Zcash, Decred and the various Bitcoin forks

[Anonymous No.53290523]

>>53278212
I keep saying this, nothing is dethroning ETH, not even your beloved L2s, this blockchain is vast in DeFi, even its EVM are damn compatible and seen in lots of projects including your preferences the upcoming Root Network, so take a chill pill.

[Anonymous No.53290563]

>>53289090
>L1 privacy will be a big thing in the space soon
yes imagine zk subnets on avalanche

[Anonymous No.53290793]

>>53278532
These are bangers boy, know the difference, these ones will be around for the longest time yet; and I hold the OP aerdraps, METIS tokens, anticipating ARB drops but then keeping tabs more on ROOT and LRC.

[Anonymous No.53290897]

>>53278926
>Solana is the biggest surprise to me among them all. Despite having a shit technology and being tangled with scandals they are still pumping
The way these guys does it and are really milking hard fr is really something not everyone gets but then rather than get rekt in this ecosystem and their shitty ass coins, I'm moving my concentration to Elrond and ICP; the former primarily because of its zeal to accommodate solid real life projects in mobility like holoride and gaming like Catana Royale.

[Anonymous No.53290928]

>>53280053
*blabbering

[Anonymous No.53290973]

>>53281054
You kidding me, ain't you seen Polygon, zksync, Arbitrum and the rest soaring. The likes of EGLD holding in farming pools with Mex and Ride adding more gains; Azero strategizing to even be more better

[Anonymous No.53291054]

>>53289988
Are you actively following the dfinity forum and the roadmap? If so, are you confident in the direction theyre heading?

[Anonymous No.53291090]

>>53281009
centralised, went down twice last year

[Anonymous No.53291115]

>>53287846
Fuck off cocksucker

[Anonymous No.53291127]

>>53288193
>SEC already stated that ETH is a commodity, you should pay more attention to the enormous amount of legal docs published during 2022. It was stated in WRITING in an official legal complaint against an unrelated 3rd party. Have you ever noticed no one brings it up anymore?
Holy fucking cope, this has to be bait or legit retardation. Meffereum is 100% a security you fucking faggot nigger.

[Anonymous No.53291196]

>>53281503
Genius pull them all out.

[Anonymous No.53291255]

>>53291090
That blockchain is not worth being hyped about, I think Mirror protocol migrated from it that's why it saw good ass pamps late last year, sold off my bag and minted Skyjack NFTs as to that regards and upon snapshot on 6th of Jan I got an additional reward: SkyJack as promised by the team.

[Anonymous No.53291328]

>>53281585
What brought the gender naming into this? you sure are a mind manipulator.

[Anonymous No.53291440]

>>53281601
Ohh yeah, dog tokens are the shits this space faces.

[Anonymous No.53292110]

>>53288538
Exactly man these fucking faggots ITT are sooo sooo dumb. And you may call me one of them ebcause I am shilling ICP ITT but ICP isn't really competing with ETH. Vitalik himself said ICP and ETH are not competitiors and he is right.

HBar, AVAX, ADA, KDA, SOL, bla bla bla.....can you make money off these? Of course but the retards ITT that actually believe any of them are more than vaporware garbage is frightening. Because it means they won't sell the tops even if these shitcoins pump.

[Anonymous No.53292474]

the best l1 blockchain for the world is unironically zenon. but people don't care about l1 and what they can do - they only care about making money

[Anonymous No.53292966]

>>53289133
This is what makes the project different from other privacy projects out there

[Anonymous No.53293027]

https://twitter.com/AlexanderBochan/status/1614768523057967104 FREEMASONS ARE COMING TO KILL ME SPREAD THE WORD
i have been rigorously communicating with them for 2 weeks. they lured me in with @custardloaf on twitter. @paultown is one of them as well. they tried to make a deal with me, i declined. please help i need every one of you. i have some special secrets on my twitter.2

[Anonymous No.53293054]

>>53278212
Dot and sol

[Anonymous No.53293204]

>>53293027
go tell that to a doctor asap, they'll save you

[Anonymous No.53293238]

>>53292110
>vitalik said
he also said avax is a legit chain and the 3rd niche
https://twitter.com/vitalikbuterin/status/1261626901438910464

[Anonymous No.53293256]

>>53278212
>Vechain (VET)
do your research

[Anonymous No.53293294]

>>53293238
did you read the parent tweet
he basically described ICP

[Anonymous No.53293480]

>>53293238
>>53293294

FUCKING KEK VITALIK LITERALLY DESCRIBED ICP HERE!!! LMAO

WHAT A MASSIVE FUCKUP BY YOU AVAXBRO.

[Anonymous No.53294703]

>>53290563
>(OP)
>I keep saying this, not
Yea, the inception of zkps is a game changer in the space, creating trust & transparency in the space

[Anonymous No.53294752]

>>53278212
Allianceblock is another amazing L1 project to look out for.

[Anonymous No.53295038]

>>53283248
Never said it did that and that applies to both projects. But you can't really have a new user without a new address. What are the alternatives to identity anchors and where are there numbers showing adoption then?

>>53283725
KKR on chain already and there's more in the pipelines.

>CAN NEVER be competed with
>AND they have unleashed it to the crypto world. They built an empty world with web3 specific physics and gravity and geometry
Why do ICPshills always talk like this kek. You sound like Charles using grandiose prose and science words to dazzle midwits.
>ICP is a general purpose compute platform.....but muh TPS muh financial transactions!
You do know that popular web apps need to service orders of magnitude more user updates than ~1000/s right? kek
Avalanche is a general purpose consensus platform, upon which general purpose compute platforms, payment rails, exchanges, games etc. can be built.

>>53283801
They aren't polygon partnerships, it's real users building actual use cases leading to actual real world adoption. Not just a handful of retards circlejerking over their bags on shittier, laggier social media clones.
>Thinking a centralized, permissioned "chain" even counts as crypto
who's the newfag here kek

[Anonymous No.53295334]

>>53295038
If ICP is centralized than ETH is too.

> Muh corporate firms are using our tech! This "adoption" aka niche usecase/pilot tests/ r and d budgets / etc. translates to higher token price!

Look buddy in 2017 when crypto had ZERO legitimacy and was laughed at by literally the entire world, at that fucking time partnering with real world corporations MEANT something to traders and whales and directly translated into market volume....

...today? DOA.

When crypto is already legitimized these same corporations offer NOTHING! Nothing at all! They do not translate to any actual adoption. You are living in a fairy tale fren. I am not saying KKR are not on avax, I am saying literally who the fuck cares! Bring on all the industry partners you want because it will NOT translate to a higher avax price nor will it translate to crypto web3 market adoption from normies.

All these enterprise platforms are dead in the water. I thought the normie NFT and dog craze would have illuminated you types but you are still blind. Ironically ICP has the most impressive tech and yet we ICP shills don't even shill that. We shill the user facing possibilities of a complete web3 paradigm shift. ICP makes other L1s seem stupid. Like Joe Rogan often says driving a Tesla makes you realize how stupid other cars are. ICP is literally actual web3 in practice. And there's literally no competition lol.

[Anonymous No.53295368]

>>53285122
>aVaX coLlaPsEd bEcAuSe iT dUmpeD 92% uNliKe eTh thAt DumPeD 82% !!1!!1
ReDdIt

[Anonymous No.53295463]

>>53278553
My best gems are there so i gotta agree with you, i got some JOE and ALBT recently and they have been doing well.

[Anonymous No.53295465]

>>53278212
I'll consider zcash and scrt to be my Fav. L1 privacy chain

[Anonymous No.53295498]

It's Chia. Every other answer hating on it is nonsense. It has a novel consensus mechanism by the guy who invented bittorrent, active farmers, chialisp, and all while being better for the environment.

[Anonymous No.53295561]

>>53294752
>>53295463
ALBT is really cool, their partnership with Ore Network is one of the best

[Anonymous No.53295607]

>>53295498
Dilate, chigger.

[Anonymous No.53295647]

>>53295465
Zcash is considered to be the first among other privacy protocol to use zero knowledge tech, they are also working in handy to ensure privacy adoption gains massive adoption, and investors funds are safe from cyberattack.

[Anonymous No.53295710]

>>53278212
Now that on-chain ID management services are up, these will all be interoperable, it won't matter again which chain anything is

[Anonymous No.53295842]

>>53295607
no u

[Anonymous No.53295865]

>>53295710
Absolutely, and this will ensure that user's identity and privacy is secured via a singular login

[Anonymous No.53296046]

>>53295865
AllianceBlock uses Ore network for its onboarding new users.

[Anonymous No.53296137]

>>53296046
>ORE
With this identity management platform packed with tools, wallet creation and management is well simplified.

[Anonymous No.53296191]

>>53295465
Can it keep this ass safe from hackdicks?

[Anonymous No.53296197]

>>53295710
Wow! What a relief, at last users can now easily take charge and keep custody of their assets on multiple chains using just one password.

[Anonymous No.53296202]

>>53293256
VET could have been that big bruh who would have gotten the full recognition in this space but for some inconsistent reasons they lagged big time in price and utilities, so ama just push that energy to low-caps which I know haven't stayed that long on the space and get well vested in them preferably Ngm, Ride and Vra, in the near future the greens will be alarming, no cap.

[Anonymous No.53296232]

>>53296137
Can you jeets atleast try make your shill posts not sound like a copy paste advertisement script

[Anonymous No.53296287]

>>53296191
Obviously, almost all the privacy project play this role, if your transactions are hidden from the public, you have little or zero tender to be attack by hackers,

[Anonymous No.53296348]

>>53293256

Hahahaha yes, vechain. The 2021 king of partnerships. Vechain is partnered with EVERYTHING

[Anonymous No.53296549]

>>53296202

Translation; payed the stickers dumped the top. Now net l1 eth killers paying for the same sticker

[Anonymous No.53296692]

>>53280043
>>LINK and ORE
Getting these web3 tokens.

[Anonymous No.53296706]

>>53296692
Link is close to dead

[Anonymous No.53296708]

>>53295647
I'm trying to look at other privacy protocols other than monero. Are they worth it?

[Anonymous No.53296760]

>>53296046
ORE
Generally, user experience has been a barrier to crypto adoption but with this cross-chain defi functionalities and self-custody solutions, users are having a smooth sailing.

[Anonymous No.53296782]

>>53296708
None for now except Monero ICON, maybe RAIL. Dyor

[Anonymous No.53296803]

>>53296706
So they say. What other web3 project you are rooting for? I think Ore is good with ID management.

[Anonymous No.53296828]

>>53296191
Once the powerpool team finalizes the development on their PowerAgent v2 , an on-chain automation network. CVP's price will experience a huge leap

[Anonymous No.53296859]

>>53296782
>RAIL
This privacy system is attracting attention since users can interact with smart contracts without ever having to leave the privacy system or compromise that advanced level of anonymity.

[Anonymous No.53296867]

You still don't get it do you kiddos? ETH is the only way. No other "eth killer" will survive with what Polygon adds to Ethereum.

[Anonymous No.53296881]

>>53296803
>>53296760
>>53296137
ORE shills working hard i see


This shit looks good on paper but there js literally nothing to show, they say they support dozens of chains in their "id management" but there is NO FUCKING ID MANAGEMENT, you can login to some kind of ore wallet but the only thing that does is transfer ore tokens

If anyone can show me an actual implemented use case that shows their id management i will buy this shit immediatly

[Anonymous No.53296902]

>>53296287
But Ethereum transactions require a signature which is can be easily traced

[Anonymous No.53297018]

>>53295334
Stop saying shits and dyor.

[Anonymous No.53297026]

>>53296902
Dyor on Railgun, its transactions use Snark Proofs instead of a signature, therefore hiding the token amount and type as well as the sender and recipient.

[Anonymous No.53297088]

>>53296881
I haven't looked at their ID management and I'm not holding but looks like I'll do my research if they truly got it. The idea of ID management makes sense.

[Anonymous No.53297102]

>>53296881
Are you saying you don't know any fuck about ID management in web3 or you just making some silly arguments?

[Anonymous No.53297155]

>>53296881
I use the ORE wallet and you are just a fucking liar who knows nothing about it.

[Anonymous No.53297640]

>>53289332
Stop the spamming.

[Anonymous No.53299161]

>>53294752
Now they use Ore ID to onboard new users, It's definitely getting better.

[Anonymous No.53299421]

>>53293294
>>53293480
https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1229908044714086401

[Anonymous No.53300626]

>>53297640
He's a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.53300712]

>>53299161
Yea, Ore is quite doing a great job, they also onboarded over 200k newbies to their platform in 2022

[Anonymous No.53301736]

>>53299161
Their active NFTs connecting offchain API is what I'm pumped about

[Anonymous No.53302663]

Think syschain still has some way up?
It seems pretty dead in the water now

[Anonymous No.53303482]

>>53278212
according to the autistic investment researchers at SBC the only ones worth betting on are:
ETH
AVAX
MATIC

do with this DD wat u will frens

[Anonymous No.53303647]

>>53295334
>If ICP is centralized than ETH is too.
Yes.
>Enterprise chains
The chains of yestercycle are dead because nobody gives a shit about isolated, permissioned corpo chains which therefore have limited utility and none of the advantages of BFT tech.
Real world companies/entities using the infrastructure matters otherwise what the fuck else is the point kek. Do you think dapps will just spontaneously appear out of the web 3.0 ether on ICP and normies will instantaneously know and adopt it? I'd argue you're the one living in fantasy world and doing a lot of projecting ITT kek
>Ironically ICP has the most impressive tech
Absolutely not true kek. Threshold signatures and the DKG advances are legitimate contributions to the space though I will give you that. Those alone do not a good chain make though.
>Joe Rogan/Tesla
Rogan is a stonecold retard who midwits think is deep and intellectual.
Teslas are shitty cars with bing bing wahoo machines glued to the dash and dangerously misleading "Self Driving" tech being beta tested on the public intended to dazzle midwits in buying them.
I'm sensing a theme here...

[Anonymous No.53303940]

>>53303647
>Real world companies/entities using the infrastructure matters otherwise what the fuck else is the point kek.
And boom goes the dynamite. The midwit sees himself for the first time and is frightened by the reflection. Bingo!
Real world companies/entities using crypto infrastructure does not fucking matter! The NFT and dog craze should have proven this to you. Retarded dumb money is what drives rich whales and the much needed liquidity to raise the tidal wave of shitcoins known as crypto. ICP for this reason is poised to hit the normiesphere while avax continues to justify it's complicated existence using corporate partnerships that don't matter one iota (pun intended for another vaporware overly-complicated piece of shit project).

>Threshold signatures and the DKG advances are legitimate contributions to the space though I will give you that
And yet ICP shills never mention this. They understand that crypto is a combination of 3 fucking disciplines. Tech + Finance + Sales. That last part is the reason you tech obsessed midwits are going to miss the next 100x this upcoming cycle. If you can't pitch your project in an elevator to normies than it is useless and will never hit the potential gains you've envisioned for it. ICP can be pitched to the dumbest of normies. ICP can be demonstrated to the dumbest of normies and with further ongoing work ICP can be adopted by the dumbest of normies. All things these other L1s cannot and will never be capable of doing.

> muh joe rogan midwit and muh tesla is crap for midwits
Yeah yeah yeah. I wrote Rogan because I was quoting him. You do know you can quote another person without needing to respect them. The point remains. No where did I say the materials in a Tesla are better than other vehicles. I said it was smarter. Aka the computers in it are smarter, 1000% smarter. ICP is the same compared to other L1s. The comparison seems like a joke. ICP is just better. Simple. As. That. Cope and seethe.

[Anonymous No.53304362]

>>53303940
>Real world companies/entities using crypto infrastructure does not fucking matter!
Ahhh ok. See I'm coming from the point of view of a project that actual real, living, breathing human beings use and build on. I never considered that you're considering Dom's botnet driving usage statistics on dscvr as valid adoption/usage. We'll just have to agree to disagree then :^)
> ICP shills never mention this
>If you can't pitch your project in an elevator to normies than it is useless and will never hit the potential gains you've envisioned for it.
Ok so you're admitting that you're just trying to get dumb normies to pump your endlessly dumping bags when the macro swings favorable topkek.
In any case though, you could pitch avalanche simply to normies. It's a network where you can trustlessly run any software you want, with as much throughput as you could possibly need, and your chain seamlessly works with any other software on the network. Throw in maximally decentralizable and permissionless too if you think they have a few IQ points to spare.
Ultimately you're missing the point though, the point is not to swindle people out of their money for some cheap pumps. It's fundamentally changing the way whole sectors operate, which drives adoption which drives usage which drives price. ICP simply does not have the technical ability or architecture to do this for the reasons I've layed out in this thread.
>Tesla is to auto industry as ICP is to L1 space
Holy shit I don't think you understand how retarded you sound lmao. I'd actually agree to a certain extent though now that I think about it, a niche product with lots of "technical" window dressings to sucker in normies that ultimately is deeply flawed, won't be able to deliver on its promises, that won't see broad market adoption, and is lead by an charlatanical autist who ultimately will probably end up handy-capping the project long term.

[Anonymous No.53304599]

>>53304362
>It's a network where you can trustlessly run any software you want, with as much throughput as you could possibly need, and your chain seamlessly works with any other software on the network. Throw in maximally decentralizable and permissionless too
"huh wtf ewww get away from me or I'll call security!"

None of that technical drivel is worthy of a successful elevator pitch. Normies wouldn't even be able to get past the word "network" without the word social in front of it. ICP meanwhile can be demonstrated from my phone before the elevator goes from floor 1 to 5. Again the sales aspect is what you "in it for the revolutionary tech" retards are missing. You guys are fine with conceding that crypto is Tech + Finance but you fail to realize or concede that Finance involves Sales. And sales ultimately is about separating a normies wallet from himself.

>Ok so you're admitting that you're just trying to get dumb normies to pump your endlessly dumping bags when the macro swings favorable
Ahh baby probably just had his first bull run and thinks the tech actually matters at all. Crypto is a device to transfer wealth from dumb normies to you. Simple as that. But sure keep building your abstraction bridges from that base layer until it topples over you.

>the point is not to swindle people out of their money
The entirety of capitalism is based on this fucking concept. If you can't see it clearly then I question your age and life experience. Only in crypto do people have a problem with marketing and sales tactics which are employed everywhere 24/7 365 in normie land. Only in crypto are scams called out. The hypocrisy is deafening. But that's okay I have earplugs and will retire while you continue to wage your code monkey job before Elon's OpenAI takes your titles away from you.

> lead by an charlatanical autist....
Bla bla bla Elon is smarter than you and the Avax retards you respect by about 1000 standard deviations.

[Anonymous No.53304756]

>>53304599
>Elevator doors close
>Hey stranger check out this website!
>umm, ok; is this just a knock off of reddit where all people talk about is insane clown posse? Why's it look like it's lagging all the time when you tap around?
>N-no haha, you see this website is actually hosted and running on a distributed set of servers called nodes, they use cryptographic proto-wompwomp womp womp wompompwomp womp
>*Ding*
>Haha ok anon well I gotta run, you have fun with your lil clown posse websites!
>yfw

[Anonymous No.53306471]

>>53299421
>https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1229908044714086401
vitalik in bed with the ava scammers it looks like. that SOL tweet really showed he's the top scammer. oh and eth too which does 99% of the scams out there

>>53304362
>It's a network where you can trustlessly run any software you want
you keep lying with this. it can't run a fucking thing we know that

[Anonymous No.53306787]

>>53303940
>And yet ICP shills never mention this.
Because most ICP shills understand nothing about ICP kek

[Anonymous No.53306858]

>>53306787
WRONG!

Most ICP shills are seasoned crypto vets and understand that tech literally DOES NOT MATTER TO NORMIES! Ya know the actual people that will be bringing boatloads of money into the market.

[Anonymous No.53306963]

>>53306858
No it's actually true, most ICP bagholders on /biz/ are dumb. Dfinity forum is where you find people with knowledge about DAAA TEEECH

[Anonymous No.53307976]

Kaspa easily

[Anonymous No.53308452]

>>53278553
>benchods
I know you'll write this, idiot

[Anonymous No.53308503]

>>53296692
>ORE
Is this L1? the most retarded shill on biz in recent times

[Anonymous No.53308784]

>>53296708
>I'm trying to look at other privacy protocols other than monero
>non can beat Monero, thou Zcash is close, then KEEP, coz it's good at encrypting private data on the public blockchain, there's also sylo with an end to end encrypted messaging app.