160 mile range? Lol

[Anonymous No.52950686]

>160 miles range loaded with cola
>Needs an electrical sub-station to recharge
The vapourware king strikes again!
Still waiting to hear exactly how much payload this pile of dog shit can actually carry.

[Anonymous No.52950694]

https://gagadget.com/en/199377-tesla-semi-trucks-with-pepsi-soda-will-only-go-160-km-and-with-lays-chips-684-km/

[Anonymous No.52950706]

>>52950694
It's not even 160 miles. It's 160 kilometres. Kek

[Anonymous No.52950708]

>>52950686
160 mile range? What the fuck are you even calling a truck for at that point just deliver it yourself.

[Anonymous No.52950719]

>>52950706
What the actual hell.
A horse drawn carriage is a better option at that point.

[Anonymous No.52950720]

>>52950686
use case might be for short haul deliveries, especially in cities. but the cost of charging units will be absolutely retarded and i don't see how it could make economic sense.

[Anonymous No.52950810]

>>52950708
How do you deliver 40,000lbs of goods yourself? You gonna hop in your pickup truck and do it?

[Anonymous No.52950898]

>>52950686
Ádám is that you?

[Anonymous No.52950906]

>>52950686
Soda is killing us all

[Anonymous No.52950959]

>>52950810
But we don't know if it can carry 40,000lbs do we, because the vapourware king won't release the weights

[Anonymous No.52950962]

>>52950720
Why make it a semi if it's for short haul? You can actually park it in cities if it's a box truck.

[Anonymous No.52950975]

>>52950810
Given how often this vaporware would need to stop for a several hour long recharge session, I could probably make 40 trips in less time.

[Anonymous No.52950987]

>>52950694
>Welcome! To Tesla VaporLabs Inc!
>Where We Make Your Potato Chips go 4.275 Furthur!

[Anonymous No.52951026]

>>52950686
but hold on, where are all the people saying it doesn't and wouldn't exist at all? Everyone who harped on and on for the last 2-3 years needs to explain how they were wrong, also in another 2-3 when batteries improve you should do the same OP.

[Anonymous No.52951052]

>>52951026
>wouldn't exist at all?
as 'commercially viable product' yes.
so.
where is it then?

[Anonymous No.52951064]

>>52951026
>tesla semi total failure
>cant haul shit
Retarded fanboy response:
>but at least its real bro

[Anonymous No.52951101]

>>52951026
So you want people to buy a product that doesn't work? I'll wait for the magical moment batteries improve and then I'll buy it
>b..b...but what about people who said it couldn't be done
Electric vehicles are over a hundred years old. Nobody ever said it couldn't be done, they said it was a fucking stupid idea. Just like digging holes for cars to travel at 100mph on little cars was possible but fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.52951128]

>>52951026
When you lie like a motherfucker and your stock pumps to the moon you've got all the money in the world to build it. Doesn't mean anyone will buy it when you actually release the weights.

[Anonymous No.52951157]

>>52950720
>but the cost of charging units will be absolutely retarded and i don't see how it could make economic sense.

eufags would love it. Countries would probably offer tax incentives since it would effectively deminish smog and noise in urban areas

[Anonymous No.52951227]

>>52951157
have you ever been to Europe?
cities where smog is an issue tend to have small streets where 7.5 tonners are the optimal (and proven) short-haul delivery vehocle of choice. That Musk chose to focus upon the least viable form for development of an electric delivery vehicle, its just par for the course with the imbecile.

[Anonymous No.52951315]

>>52951227
No one cares about Europe.
We’re here to discuss how shitty an electric truck would be at covering 3,000 miles.

[Anonymous No.52951378]

>>52950686
Trucks should never need longer ranges because they are a horrible attempt to replace trains.
Trucks should only be used to move things from factories to train stations and from train stations to smaller deposits.

Trying to kill trains was the most retarded thing US ever tried to do. Now they are bleeding from the asshole and can't figure out why China is cleaning his cock.

[Anonymous No.52951380]

>>52951157
Are you stupid or I'll informed?
>EU announces truck Euro7 rules
>said it wouldn't include electric vehicles
>it includes electric vehicles
You're going to taxed to fuck even in an electric truck.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_6495

[Anonymous No.52951394]

>>52951378
Best of luck putting a train station outside every Walmart and supermarket

[Anonymous No.52951402]

>>52951378
Probably the most sound argument ever made on biz.

[Anonymous No.52951435]

>>52951394
you're exceptionally stupid

[Anonymous No.52951450]

>>52951402
Are you suggesting building a train line to China where all your goods are made?
The containers arrive at ports and are then moved by rail or road (whichever is cheaper) unless it's a time critical product like food. You're not going to build a train station outside every mall, supermarket or Walmart. Stop being a fleshlight.

[Anonymous No.52951463]

>>52951435
OMG! You're in depth and well researched response has completely changed my mind.

[Anonymous No.52951508]

>>52951394
Why do you need a truck to transport something that just arrive from china on the west coast, to a Walmart in the Appalachians, by truck, when you can just pick up the container from the boat and put it in a train that will take it to a regional depot, then they will be transported using trucks to that Walmart.
It's just silly.

I am not saying that we don't need trucks. I am saying that we don't need to fill the highways with trucks crossing the country because FUCK COMMUNISM (like if Russians had invented the train).

[Anonymous No.52951550]

>>52951450
his point is one fucking hundred percent valid, and perceptive.
traditional city infrastructure had all this shit already, industrial zones (replete with train track sidings for material delivery/finished good transport) and resedential. We made the mistake of making the car king, outsourcing industrial entirely and ripping up all the industrial areas (with train tracks) and throwing resedential shit down on those instead, as moar! profitable.
Now, we realise, we could have (and should have) at least kept the train tracks, built retail where industrial was and just banned cars (as much as possible) from inner cities. Its not rocket science.

[Anonymous No.52951594]

>>52951450
Look up the cost per pound per mile and compare that to trucks.
I think the concept that would be effective and what the other poster was suggesting is that the train carries the loads most of the way, stops in major cities, then the trucks carry the loads so maybe an hours drive.

[Anonymous No.52951611]

>>52951508
Are you fucking stupid?
there's regional distribution centres for rail already. And the vapourware truck isn't going to be cheaper than a diesel truck or a train.

[Anonymous No.52951615]

>>52951026
>when batteries improve
So never?

[Anonymous No.52951624]

>>52950962
Weight and cubic restrictions. You can also drop the trailer vs having to wait to get unloaded.

[Anonymous No.52951632]

>>52950686
Actual truck bro who now works for govt transportation. Electric vehicles suck ass for anything long haul related. The new Ford lightnings get 60km when towing a trailer. Imagine it scaled up and it wouldn't achieve much which was obvious.

That being said these trucks serve a good purpose as shunt truck replacements. It's not exactly the eco friendly dream everyone thought about but it's a step.

The only way long haul could ever be eco friendly is shifting to trains primarily or hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.52951653]

>>52951594
They already do. In Europe there's regional train freight yards in every major city. Same applies to America. You will very rarely see containers being moved cross country. It's the 'difficult to get in a container loads' and time critical loads that make those long journeys by road. Unless you want rotten avocado on your toast.

[Anonymous No.52951685]

>>52951632
>Hydrogen trains
This guy gets it. Trucker bro here. I'm thinking hydrogen for trucks is the way forward but not from the vapourware king. I'd trust Volvo, Mercedes or paccar (Daf, Renault) if they made it.

[Anonymous No.52951796]

>>52950686
160miles for £3.60 though. decent for local routes.

[Anonymous No.52951921]

>>52951796
It's not miles, it's kilometres. You need an electricity sub station to recharge it. The set up costs for the infrastructure to recharge it make it a non starter. Renault have been making 7.5 ton - 18 ton electric trucks for years and the take up has been luke warm because of the charging issues. It may work in very very limited cases. But most trucking companies (even the mega carriers) only have a contract for one year at best with a company so are unlikely to invest so much money in infrastructure for a contract that would need 5 plus years to recoup the investment.
I think Pepsi has the sweet spot as it's all in-house and they're only shipping incredibly light potato chips. It's good publicity even if it costs them some money.

[Anonymous No.52952031]

>>52950686
160 KILOMETERS, or 100 miles.

[Anonymous No.52952102]

>>52951921
Californians and other big cities I can see throwing money at this to get it started. Pepsi also ships beverages so I think last mile retail is not unrealistic, if it can't even do that its fucked.

[Anonymous No.52952172]

>>52951632
Only good post. The 24/7 anti Tesla shill is shilling now after the stock already halved and is severly undervalued. What a dolt, always timing it incorrectly.

[Anonymous No.52952206]

>>52951921
would cargo switch-offs work for long hauls, like a relay race? maybe the trailer could be modular; just lift it off and put it on a fully charged truck and off you go.

[Anonymous No.52952212]

Automobiles are stoopid and we should build a society where we dont need the fackin' things. Klaus is right about not owning things.

[Anonymous No.52952219]

>>52952102
>California
They may throw money at it, but where are they going to get the electricity from? They already have blackouts.

[Anonymous No.52952302]

>>52952172
Calling anyone who knows Tesla is a vaporware company funded by government subsides and Saudi oil money a "shill" is schizo behavior. Like when I call g*mestop fags retarded bagholders buying into a dying retailer that already missed the squeeze I get called a shill too. Just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they're a shill.

>>52952212
Europoor or city bugman detected. Like that other guy said, more cargo or commuter trains would do a lot to benefit transport in the US, shit is too spread out for bikes to be useful.

[Anonymous No.52952318]

>>52952206
There's been some really interesting discussions within the sector about doing just this. It reduces empty miles which improves profitability (fuel is the largest cost in trucking) and could potentially speed up deliveries because of driver mandated rest times. It could also improve driver retention if drivers were able to get home. The pallet networks like Pallex already operate on this system but every member is sort of a franchisee so all working on the same rates. Problem with trailer swaps is the sensitive information where the load is going and the potential for your competitors to steal your customers. The other problem is the loads. Trucks run at very different rates. As an example, running toilet rolls makes hardly anything whereas running chemical products is a lot more profitable. You could be giving your competitors money for nothing and losing money yourself. It's an interesting idea and I think a lot more time and effort should be put into this idea

[Anonymous No.52952390]

>>52952206
Just to add...
We're not talking exclusively about electric vehicles. This has been discussed for quite a few years. Truckers really don't care what they drive electric or diesel makes no difference. It's just a tool to make money and if electric trucks were really cheaper we'd be queuing up to buy them

[Anonymous No.52952431]

>>52952318
>As an example, running toilet rolls makes hardly anything whereas running chemical products is a lot more profitable.
can you expand on this - is this risk transport costs, or just less hauliers compete on chemi contracts because perceived more hassle?

[Anonymous No.52952571]

>>52952318
great, lets circle back round to this in the new year

[Anonymous No.52952757]

>>52952431
presumably because toilet paper is so cheap and takes up so much space, you simply can't move much of it in a single truck

for example imagine an entire truck full of $1500 TVs...probably get paid a lot more for that than $5.99 toilet paper packs that take up just as much volume

[Anonymous No.52952850]

>>52952757
yeah..but then youd be transporting truckloads by value, rather than volume, which is how I thought it worked?
idk, just interested in the nuts and blots of this, with (admittedly) little to no idea how it actually works, or not, at present. What I want to know, are driver costs load dependent? Etc.

[Anonymous No.52952858]

>>52952757
This. And weight. Trucking is a lot more complicated than a lot of people realise. It's about volume (space taken up) weight (heavier loads use more fuel) risk (chemicals, alcohol, steel) awkward loads (risk of accident) etc etc etc... there's a lot at play which is why companies usually specialise in one area.

Toilet rolls - ever wondered why we don't import toilet rolls? It's not worth it as they're such a low value item. It makes them tricky to ship profitably.

[Anonymous No.52952899]

>>52952850
>by value
Nope. You're not going to get a million dollars for carrying 40,000lbs of iPhones. You'll get more than a standard load of shit but you'll need to pay a fuck ton of insurance for those phones while you're transporting them. There's also an increased risk of truck jacking which you need to think about.

[Anonymous No.52952994]

>>52952571
Pepsi isn't going to last mile my load of car parts potentially putting their truck out of of position for it's next run and they definitely don't want their liveried vehicles being seen carrying anything other than their products. It's a very strange market which is highly competitive, secretive and fiercely protective of it's image. I've even thought about maybe the answer is all trucks are government owned and operated removing all these issues. A bit wild I know. Fuck knows if it would work

[Anonymous No.52953045]

Why can we just have jetpacks already? Or at least some kind of flying drone backpack that carries you moderate distances?

[Anonymous No.52953074]

>>52952994
absolutely, critical we get on this asap and move forward after the christmas holidays

[Anonymous No.52953100]

>>52952757
You'd be surprised. Most times we have absolutely no idea what's on those pallets unless it's something like chemicals which they have to tell us by law. As long as its within our carrier insurance limits and it fits on a pallet the only two factors at play are weight and volume. So you could get 40,000lbs of TV's moved for the same price as 40,000lbs of cheap flat pack furniture. They won't tell us it's a load of televisions because we'd obviously know they have more margin than the same weight/pallets of cheap flat pack furniture. It's a strange game to be in where everyone keeps their cards close to their chest

[Anonymous No.52953311]

>>52953074
I'm free 3rd January for an informal roundtable. We can run some ideas up the flagpole and see who salutes. Let's send this to the top of our agenda. I've pencilled it in my filofax for 2pm.
Yeah, I'm old. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.52954034]

>>52952206
Trailers are already modular. They unhook from the unit and are a standard size. If it was possible to 'relay' freight it would have been done with diesel by now. This is what happens when a fucking idiot decides he's going to "disrupt" an industry he has absolutely no clue how it works.

[Anonymous No.52954118]

>>52950694
>Tesla truck can only achieve advertised mileage when transporting Lays chips

[Anonymous No.52954214]

>>52951394
Wow you are a RETARD

[Anonymous No.52954229]

>>52952431
It's because there's a lot of paperwork and rules for chemicals. Drivers have to have extra qualifications, the truck needs extra equipment (fire fighting, spill catching kit etc etc) the insurance is non standard so costs a lot more. Your equipment is at risk on every load. You can't employ some immigrant who doesn't speak English on minimum wage The driver needs to communicate with police and firefighters in an emergency effectively. They need to read and understand the shipping notes and special conditions (DO NOT let temp rise above X, DO NOT expose load to Y, etc etc) there's increased risk and English speaking drivers with experience won't work for bananas so it costs more for lots of reasons.

[Anonymous No.52954275]

>>52954214
Fuck! You've blown me out of the water again with such a well researched reply. Haven't you got some FTT tokens you need to be concentrating on?

[Anonymous No.52954293]

>>52950810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4OeiMjvtk

[Anonymous No.52954393]

>>52950962
You mean something like picrel?
Renault have been making these for years. Fully electric city truck.

[Anonymous No.52954427]

>>52950810
The same way it gets done now you stupid fuck.

[Anonymous No.52954597]

>>52952318
Thanks for the reply. interesting read.

[Anonymous No.52954676]

>>52951624
>weight
we don't know what the vapourware can carry
>drop the trailer
demount boxes already exist for exactly this reason. They work perfectly for city drops due to space restrictions in cities. They also do double demounts (2 demountable boxes on one truck) for dropping in two different locations.
The vapourware king is inventing ass backward solutions to problems that were solved 70 years ago. But then again, he's selling hundred year old technology as a new invention. Kek

[Anonymous No.52954726]

>>52954393
Yeah that would work, Tesla didn't even bother creating the practical solution because it already exists and there's no way to "hype" it.

[Anonymous No.52954761]

>>52954676
That picture is disturbing. Pup trailers exist yeah but I hate planning around the dollies.

[Anonymous No.52954864]

>>52954726
There's actually several companies in this weight range already with some fantastic trucks. The take up has been really slow due to the charging issues. As soon as an owner operator or company are told what they need to install to charge a single truck they run a mile. The only way electric works is if governments artificially skew the playing field to make electric appear cheaper. The problem is they have to increase taxes to absolutely mind boggling levels to make electric seem even comparable with diesel. And it's you, the consoomer that has to pay for it. We just transport the shit and we can't do it for free.

[Anonymous No.52954948]

>>52950720
Don’t worry we’ll just have to deal with rolling brown outs during recharge times

[Anonymous No.52954970]

>>52954948
You will sit in the dark waiting for your fleshlight and enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.52955044]

>>52954761
Pup trailers? Dollies? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a europoor. We call them demounts and bitch legs... they're a fucking bitch to drop.
Had a lot of fun driving picrel until I took the plunge and bought my own truck. Backing this bitch at 2am was better than doing a couple of lines. Fucker was like a snake with a bad attitude.

[Anonymous No.52955385]

>>52954229
thread MVP right here, cheers for the info lad

[Anonymous No.52955676]

>>52955385
That's a bong. I know another bong when I see it. Get your ADR. It counts towards your CPC hours so it's not that expensive when you take that into account. I think it's classed as 24 hours (3 days) towards your CPC. It definitely opens doors to other work and once you've got experience you can do petrol or airport work which still pays pretty well.