Europoor NEET bros

[Anonymous No.52608143]

Its over

[Anonymous No.52608163]

>>52608143
Fucking fascist.
This literally another Mussolini.

[Anonymous No.52608171]

>>52608143
Italy never really had a lot of welfare benefits to begin with, we just had this sort of UBI for a couple of years but Meloni has just abolished it and the south is seething

[Anonymous No.52608181]

Eurofag who made it last bullrun here.

She is totally right. Go back to work lazy wagies.

[Anonymous No.52608187]

bros i don't wont to get a job
the bullrun better start soon
and yes i'm a shitalian

[Anonymous No.52608193]

>>52608143
>take job but do nothing
>jobless again
This won't do shit to professional neets.

[Anonymous No.52608213]

>>52608143
Back in the cage wagie!

But for real, Europe has had this attitude of unlimited welfare for far too long and have racked up massive debt over the years because of that. All European countries will have to start doing this.

[Anonymous No.52608229]

>>52608143
Worthless drunk Eetaleeahnfags absolutely BTFO by based Reaganwoman Italy woman. Get a job and bring dignity back to one of the most culturally significant countries ever. Americans are watching White Lotus S2 rn and your representation are prostitutes. Red wine sucks get fucked and throw some concrete.

[Anonymous No.52608246]

>>52608143
Thx god, I had very little hope for this roastie but she is doing some good stuff like abolishing neetdom for poorfags (that should deliver me tendies) and increasing thresholds for advantageous fiscal regimes (like regime forfettario)
Still angered as fuck since I still have to pay 100/150k in taxes from my 400k gross earnings
I’m fucking tired of being forced participating in fraudulent Ponzi schemes like INPS

[Anonymous No.52608384]

So if you're a doctor who got a job offer to become a janitor, you cannot refuse it?

[Anonymous No.52608399]

>>52608384
if you're a doctor don't go on fucking benefits

[Anonymous No.52608404]

>>52608143
Australia has been doing that for years. It's not new.

[Anonymous No.52608435]

>>52608384
no
nothing is owed to you
if you are a doctor and like communism you can always move to cuba
if you are a doctor and like money you can always move somewhere else and get paid more

[Anonymous No.52608550]

>>52608143
>italy
Oh no they'll just have to plant literally anything in the most fertile land on Earth or fish literally anything out of the most fertile ocean on Earth

[Anonymous No.52608560]

>>52608550
and we also have a huge amount of commies that are great as fertilizer

[Anonymous No.52608632]

>>52608143
ahh, the "FBI Warning" of welfare recipients. it's easy to scam your way around this

[Anonymous No.52608642]

>>52608143
Based

[Anonymous No.52608651]

>>52608143
Is this the uhhhh right wing government you guys just elected kek

[Anonymous No.52608726]

>>52608143
It's about getting cheap or even free farmhands during harvesting season now that Covid fucked up the seasonal migration of slavs and balkanoids who used to do that work.

[Anonymous No.52608731]

>>52608171
She's good about a lot of things but saying that UBI should be conditional to your accepting job offers is retarded. It's UBI. By definition, it should not be conditional to anything.

Thing is that italians are still VERY outdated in their thinking, and (like everyone) were trained to brag about being a little slave and to seethe whenever someone came along with an alternative. They don't grasp the concept of UBI. They oppose it out of habit, arrogance and crab in a bucket mentality.

[Anonymous No.52608743]

>>52608384
No. The offer needs to be "adequate". For instance, it cannot pay less than 80% of unemployment benefits, it cannot be further than 80 kms from your house, etc.

[Anonymous No.52608755]

Nuon bene :3

[Anonymous No.52608809]

>>52608143
we have this system in finland but in real life as a neet you will never receive a job offer

[Anonymous No.52608835]

>>52608731
>UBI should not be conditional
Well its not ubi. Its jobless benefits in which its completly right to sack benefits for leeches

[Anonymous No.52608892]

>>52608143
Just screech autisticly at job interviews.

[Anonymous No.52608949]

Nothingburger. All you have to do is go to the probably single interview a month you get, act autistic and then go back to neeting.

[Anonymous No.52609017]

>>52608143
Cool, now do this for all the welfare NEETs in the US.

[Anonymous No.52609063]

>>52608143
> go on benefits to assist while searching for a job
> get offered a job
> refuse it
> OMG I CANT BELIEVE THEY'D STOP GIVING ME FREE MONEY

Get a job you fucking scotes.

[Anonymous No.52609080]

>>52608731
>They don't grasp the concept of UBI
UBI is an absolutely retarded MMT concept where the state is supposed to print money out of thin air, increase deficit and public spending and everything will be all right. Reality check says both MMT and UBI do not fucking work, they will just increase inflation and fuck up the poors even more.
Commies need to be hanged and shot in the back, then we can finally have a based turbo-capitalist Italy without taxation and less state, less regulations, less bureaucracy.

[Anonymous No.52609083]

>>52608143
pol troons think the EU is one country?

[Anonymous No.52609100]

>>52609063
>Noooooo you must pay taxes to support boomers, niggers, and single mothers. You simply must okay!

Lol. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.52609229]

BASED

Cut all government spending, taxes and abolish central banking.

[Anonymous No.52609453]

>>52609100
>There are useless people in society getting paid
>That means I must be useless as well
Roflmao!

[Anonymous No.52609503]

>>52608143
>accept job offer
>don't show up
rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.52609587]

I really wish zh would just change the profile picture it's so fucking gay man

[Anonymous No.52609633]

>>52609503
wont work
the process to get benefits takes 2 weeks i think then more time for them to pay you

[Anonymous No.52609688]

>>52609503
Then you won't get any money.

>>52609100
The boomers already worked so they're getting some money now. The other groups won't get anything in this new scheme.

[Anonymous No.52609746]

>>52609453
Yes, it's called game theory.

[Anonymous No.52609764]

>>52608143
Oh look, they got the image the wrong way up. Fixed!

[Anonymous No.52609782]

>>52609764
Why was she upside down bros?

[Anonymous No.52609797]

>>52609080
>fuck the state i'd rather get fucked in the ass by the market with no recourse at all
truly "based"

[Anonymous No.52609803]

>>52608143

She is so unfathomably based. We need desperately need a Meloni in the Netherlands.

[Anonymous No.52609866]

>>52609797
Ah yes because you have so much recourse against the State.

[Anonymous No.52609916]

>>52609100
Kill yourself nigger faggot commie kike

[Anonymous No.52610184]

>>52609866
One has little recourse against the state, but one has less recourse against the market.
In fact, UBI would greatly increase one's recourse against the market: under capitalism the main power of workers is to withdrawing their labor, either through collective action or just because they dislike their job or employer and want to find another one. However, while workers have the power to withdraw their labor from a particular capitalist, they don't have the power to withdraw their labor from the capitalist class since without employment they won't be able to afford necessities. UBI gives workers the power to withdraw their labor from the capitalist class, as it gives them the ability to afford essentials independent of employment status. This fundamentally changes the relationship between worker and the capitalist class. Work would be higher paid and more enjoyable and workers would be more powerful. If you're a worker, you should support UBI.

[Anonymous No.52610255]

>>52610184
>socialist incoherent ramblings
In the real world UBI would just create inflation and artificially up the prices of companies and useless assets, as seen with the "stimulus checks" given away by the government.

You are being played. The only ones to truly benefit from UBI are the ruling class that see their assets and companies up in value while everyone else becomes poorer thanks to inflation.

Also I hate the Antichrist.

[Anonymous No.52610315]

>>52610184
>UBI would greatly increase one's recourse against the market
inflation blocks your path, slaps you in the face and fuck your girlfriend
>NOOOOOOO WE NEED AN ANTI-INFLATION STIMULUS CHEQUE NOW, IT'S DA FREE MARKET FAUUUULT, IT'S CORPORATE GREEEED
>UBI gives workers the power to withdraw their labor from the capitalist class
UBI doesn't give you shit, it's just money printed out of thin air, while real assets and real goods produces stay constant = inflation
>If you're a worker, you should support UBI.
If you're a worker, you should NOT support UBI, cause you will have high inflation and stagnant wages
jesus fuck why commies cannot do basic math?

[Anonymous No.52610356]

>>52610255
>>52610315
As long as incomes rise inline with inflation, inflation is good for those with no assets and very good for those in debt, since their buying power increases relative to those with cash and debt is denoted in dollar amount.

[Anonymous No.52610382]

>>52610356
Their buying power remains the same while the buying power of those with savings goes down. So basically poor people remain poor and middle class becomes poorer.

The only way for buying power to go up is for income to raise higher than inflation or for deflation to occur.

Holy shit I hate socialists so much they're borderline retarded.

[Anonymous No.52610396]

>>52608163
a soft Mussolini

[Anonymous No.52610448]

>>52610356
>As long as incomes rise inline with inflation
as long as you live in fantasy world everything can work
but a quick reality check will bitch-slap you very hard
income NEVER rises inline with inflation
NEVER
>inflation is good for those with no assets
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
holy shit, you are fucking retarded my friend
>very good for those in debt
very good for insolvent communist states, cause inflation = wealth confiscation
>buying power increases
inflation crashes your buying power, always
your brain fucking works in reverse i swear

[Anonymous No.52610461]

>>52610448
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.52610468]

>>52610356
>>52610184
Imagine being this retarded.

[Anonymous No.52610504]

>>52610356

Are you a fucking child in university? Just shut the fuck up with this stupid shit nigger brain

Inflation always fucks up any society in which it starts getting above the very lowest levels

[Anonymous No.52610511]

>>52608171
if you are doctor and only job you get offered is janitor then you probably deserve it. Especially in Italy, the nation where elderly are probably the biggest portion of populace.

[Anonymous No.52610545]

>>52610382
>Their buying power remains the same while the buying power of those with savings goes down.
Thus their relative buying power increases by exactly this argument. Trying learning to read?
>>52610448
Simple, you increase the basic income inline with inflation.
>>52610461
House prices in the UK have increased above inflation for a long time. This has to do with intentional government policies since Thatcher designed to diminish and ultimately abolish state involvement in housing. It's a separate and unrelated issue, and one that could be easily solved by the state provided housing.

[Anonymous No.52610565]

>>52610545
>Simple, you increase the basic income inline with inflation.
HEY HEY HEEEEEEEY

[Anonymous No.52610568]

>>52609916
>1pbtid
Okay boomer.

[Anonymous No.52610590]

>>52610184
>>52610356
>>52610545
Stop it.
Seek help.
https://www.resistance.money/research/library/to%20be%20organised%20better/The%20Bitcoin%20Standard.pdf

[Anonymous No.52610591]

>>52610545
Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro do that. They increase minimum wage via decree every six months so it keeps up with inflation. They also made it illegal for companies to fire employees and made it illegal for landlords to evict tenants that don't pay.

The result is higher inflation, less job openings and zero houses for rent.

Socialists are fucking retarded because their shitty ideas have been proven to not work over and over again yet they insist.
>inb4 not real socialism!!!1!!!1!!

[Anonymous No.52610659]

>>52610591
Venezuela doesn't have UBI so it's irrelevant to this conversation. I'm not advocating increasing minimum wage inline with inflation, in fact abolishing the minimum wage would might be a good idea when UBI exists, since the minimum income required to live is covered by UBI.
Nonetheless, apparently these countries increase their minimum wage inline with inflation. If increasing the minimum wage was the cause of Venezuela's hyperinflation, why haven't we seen the same thing in France, Spain, Belgium, etc?

[Anonymous No.52610661]

>>52609797
The state is the reason 'the market' of amazon and netflix and ibm and boeing are able to push gay post-human capitalism-communism in the first place. If there is no central bank giving infinite gibs to rothschild and rockefeller then suddenly the talentless rich whose only skill is grifting funny money from their politician friends find themselves without recourse.

And communists literally advocate central banks because it makes everything horrible so people will vote for commies. Your fucking ideology revolves around coming to /biz/ and trying to ruin things that work because you want to shit your pants and get karl marx shit in power you worthless leech, how the fuck are you people unable to understand why you are hated?

[Anonymous No.52610663]

>>52610591
>you don't understand bro, we can all just print money and we will be all rich without working

[Anonymous No.52610735]

>>52610659
>the minimum income required to live is covered by UBI
now let's assume everybody gets UBI
according to you, UBI will cover food, shelter, healthcare and education
but what if farmers stop working and live on UBI?
what if construction workers stop working and live on UBI?
what if doctors stop working and live on UBI?
what if teachers stop working and live on UBI?
just print more money for UBI, right?
i'm sure the deliveroo guy will risk his life to bring you tendies and not just stay home and smoke weed on UBI
fucking nigger brain

[Anonymous No.52610747]

>>52610663
People derive fulfilment and meaning from work, not just money. It is after all where people spend most of their waking hours in adult life. It's well established that jobs that are most beneficial to society are paid the least, cleaners, care workers, do unpleasant jobs that are vital to the functioning of society whereas hedge fund managers, corporate lawyers and CEOs actively harm society and are remunerated handsomely.
People with useless and awful jobs would probably quit sure, but this would be a positive for society as they weren't doing anything beneficial anyway. It would give them the opportunity to find something useful and beneficial to do.

[Anonymous No.52610790]

>>52610735
>what if farmers stop working and live on UBI?
>what if construction workers stop working and live on UBI?
>what if doctors stop working and live on UBI?
>what if teachers stop working and live on UBI?
Why would they? UBI just covers the essentials to live, not luxury. As I said here >>52610747, people with useful jobs derive meaning and purpose from work. Why would a doctor or quit? They could live on UBI only, but it would be a massive step down from the quality of life they presumably enjoy on a doctor's wage. Couldn't you just as well ask why doctors don't quit en masse in countries with generous welfare schemes to live on benefits?
If people with useless or actively harmful jobs quit to live on UBI, then good.

[Anonymous No.52610798]

>>52610661
Holy based, underage commiekeks on suicide watch.

[Anonymous No.52610801]

>>52608163
>fascist

[Anonymous No.52610816]

>>52610801
True, a fascist could never support Ukraine.

[Anonymous No.52610864]

>>52610747
>People derive fulfilment and meaning from work
SUUUUURE
the construction worker with herniated disk waking up at 4am must really derive extreme fulfilment and meaning from his shitty job, but hey, the government now will guarantee you shelter, so don't worry, walls are going to materialize by snapping fingers and by just printing some extra euro
sewer cleaners quitting? oh very positive for society according to you
>>52610790
in such commie state, any skilled worker would relocate abroad for a better salary and lower taxes since the only thing UBI can guarantee is permanently high inflation and high taxation
the incentives are hyper fucked up, cause the incentive is literally to stop working and going back to some ex soviet model where people stand in line for 5h for half glass of water diluted milk
jesus fuck you are unreal

[Anonymous No.52610908]

>>52608143
chuds expectation:
>no more migrants
>tradcon family
>freedom

reality:
>YOU VILL WORK FOR THE STATE IN WHATEVER WE FORCE YOU

OH NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.52610995]

>>52610908
the only thing i want is opt-out from social securities (e.g. INPS) in exchange for ZERO public services from the state
if i get a stroke and i have no money in my pocket i want to die on the sidewalk outside of the emergency room
but they don't let me choose and they keep stealing more than 100k in taxes every fucking year
i also want to opt-out from euro, which is a shitcurrency, and the freedom to use btc without computing capital gains everytime i use it
what we get with Meloni is some camomile and some higher threshold for tax brackets, which is not bad desu (and way better than leftard tax hikes), but still not enough, taxation is theft

[Anonymous No.52610998]

>>52610864
Perhaps you don't derive fulfilment or meaning from your work, but I do, and plenty of people I know do. I've done horrible jobs, but my current job is not and I genuinely enjoy working it. Your example of a construction worker with a disability that makes his work painful is obviously contrived. He shouldn't be working anyway if his symptoms make it painful for him to work. Indeed many countries would pay him disability benefits. Since you hate your job, have you considered quitting and become a construction worker?
It is very easy to establish that people are not only motivated to work by money. If everyone was then everyone would do the most highly paid job they could with their skills, and yet many very intelligent and capable people choose to become academics, teachers, nurses etc, instead of becoming air traffic controllers.
Just to be clear since you seem to be confused, I'm not advocating everyone work for free. People would still be paid for work, on top of UBI, so the money incentive still exists for anyone who wants more than the bare minimum required to live.

[Anonymous No.52611016]

>>52608143
It has always been a thing. Not sure with Italy or just meme headline

[Anonymous No.52611047]

>ITT westerners are so brainwashed by right wing and neoliberal think tanks sponsored by billionaires that they literally cannot grasp the idea that the government is actually supposed to benefit them.

Retard-boys! Retard-boys!

[Anonymous No.52611131]

>>52610998
UBI will fuck salaries, force tax hikes and create a permanently high inflation environment
this drives skilled workers and companies abroad
creating more fake money chasing the same amount of goods and services has only one outcome, inflation
IT'S NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND
but you are too retarded to understand this simple basic fact
>Since you hate your job
i fucking love my job, i'm a CTO of a foreign company and i work remotely 9 months in Italy, and i bring home (gross) 3-400k per year
what i hate is throwing half of it into useless taxes to pay dumb fantasy shit for brainlet commies like you
i would move abroad to some low tax country in a fucking blink and double my net income instantly if i could (cannot because of kids, sick parents, stuck in this commie shithole called Italy)

[Anonymous No.52611169]

>>52609080
>MMT concept
lol, a literal retard chimes in

[Anonymous No.52611176]

>>52611131
No one would miss you, you provide negative value to society.

[Anonymous No.52611197]

>>52610661
Imagine being this delusional.

[Anonymous No.52611255]

>>52611176
>you provide negative value to society
the market says otherwise
stay poor and salty filthy commie, i hope you get a free helicopter ride sooner or later

[Anonymous No.52611284]

>>52611255
Okay. Have a good one my friend.

[Anonymous No.52611305]

Shitalian neet bros, not like this...

[Anonymous No.52611307]

>>52611131
You’re a retard-boy who doesn’t understand inflation. All social benefit proposals have been met with retards in power crying that it cannot be so. It’s always just an empty attempt to scare people into letting them keep their position.
>we can’t get rid of child labor, it’ll cause inflation
>we can’t have work weeks under 60 hours, it’ll cause inflation
>you can’t have unions, we just don’t have money to pay you and it’ll raise inflation.
>we can’t raise the minimum wage, it’ll case inflation
>you can’t have social security, it’ll raise taxes and inflation
>you can’t have medical benefits, it’ll raise taxes and inflation.

It’s empty bullshit. Why don’t you attack the actual shit companies do that actually case inflation rather then attack anything that actually benefit regular people like a dirty little cunt licking the company boot.

All your blabbering amounts to is: companies have to have all the money and pay none of the taxes because “inflation” and none for you. You don’t seem to complain about the massive amount of money neoliberal governments hand out to companies for nothing.

[Anonymous No.52611360]

>>52611307
>You don’t seem to complain about the massive amount of money neoliberal governments hand out to companies for nothing.
>>52609080
>less state, less regulations, less bureaucracy.
and zero fucking central banks = no state hand out
INFLATION = MONETARY SUPPLY EXPANSION
that's the definition
prices rising is just a mere consequence
>social benefit
they shouldn't be mandatory
i don't want any social benefit, i want to pay for the services i use and avoid paying for services i don't use

[Anonymous No.52611367]

>>52610255
>>52610315
I personally feel that a UBI will be great for the economy. On the surface level with fiat, it doesn't seem to work. But when you factor in variables like disgruntled workers who actively tank productivity.
>MUH INFLATION!
Inflation is really only an issue when fiat is the capital in a capitalistic system. While we are so far away from a post-scarcity society, the consumers on the lower end have very little wealth compared to those at the top of the system. Data on consumption habits seem to be a lot more valuable than the production itself. Just look at most of the successful business outside of the financial sector.
>McDonalds in a real estate company.
>Little Caesars primarily makes bank off it's distribution system.
>Meta and Google gave a free product in exchange for ad space.
>Almost all drug manufacturing companies and hospitals secure their income by price gouging the insurance companies.

[Anonymous No.52611431]

>>52611367
>Inflation is really only an issue when
inflation is always an issue
unless you are some unsustainable high-debt-communist-shithole state
or some billionaire sitting on hard assets
>the consumers on the lower end have very little wealth compared to those at the top of the system
and guess what makes it even worse?
inflation, the cantillon effect
billionaires can get richer by doing nothing and just taking more cheap debt using their pumped assets, and front-run buy any productive / yield producing asset with that cheap debt, before you have any chance to save money and buy it

[Anonymous No.52611444]

>>52611431
>using their pumped assets
as collateral

[Anonymous No.52611471]

>>52610747
>>52610790
>>52610998
>>52611307
>>52611367
Morons. Go read some painful truths.
https://www.resistance.money/research/library/to%20be%20organised%20better/The%20Bitcoin%20Standard.pdf

[Anonymous No.52611531]

>>52611360
>i don't want any social benefit, i want to pay for the services i use and avoid paying for services i don't use

Jesus, look at the sort of subhumans western countries produce.

I don’t have kids but I still pay a small amount for a quality public education for children I don’t know that can’t afford private schools. Similarly I pay a small amount for public healthcare so children and elderly I don’t know don’t have to die from preventable causes or be exploited by insurance companies. These things only work if everyone pays in a small amount so it’s cheaper for everyone, do you understand that fairly simple math?

But i bet im wasting my time trying to explain basic human decency, aren’t I? This is like explaining calculus to a chimp isn’t it?

Libertarian retards think they can benefit from the fruits of everyone else’s labor that came before them but owe nothing in return. Entitled childfucking faggots.

[Anonymous No.52611543]

Would the world’s problems be reduced if the boomer generation was culled?

[Anonymous No.52611593]

>>52608651
RW isn't libertarian nonsence you reaganshit.

[Anonymous No.52611608]

>>52608384
Italians invented the principle.

[Anonymous No.52611669]

>>52611641
>I pay 100k per year to fucking INPS
That’s not a small amount, it’s robbery

Now try having to pay 5k for an ambulance ride like in Shartland + 200k medical treatment + 50k for your stay at the hospital.

Retard

[Anonymous No.52611674]

>>52608163
yes.

[Anonymous No.52611739]

>>52611669
>doesn’t know American insurances are pumping their prices BECAUSE of Medicare, social securities and other government guarantees
>same for student loans
They would be a LOT cheaper without government bankrolling them

[Anonymous No.52612007]

>>52608143
mommy

[Anonymous No.52612055]

Based Meloni Chan.

[Anonymous No.52612180]

>>52608143
Based Italy. Why are Italians so great?

[Anonymous No.52612324]

>>52608143
based. fuck neets. I wish we would do that here but we never will because of the basketball lobby.

[Anonymous No.52612401]

>>52611543
It would be more effective to sterilise all Zoomers and melt them for fuel once they hit 25, truly the most pathetic and worthless generation in human history.

[Anonymous No.52612408]

italy will be a superpower by 2020

[Anonymous No.52612513]

>>52608213
Italy never really could afford welfare, you are a retarded Amerimutt who doesn't know shit about local societal conditions.

It's a few hundred dollars/month and now this money will go to the Italian mafia + 200-year-old ineffective as fuck subsidized companies + luxury Milan companies.

t. HungAryan

[Anonymous No.52612577]

>>52611608
Why should a doctor work as a janitor

[Anonymous No.52612625]

>>52608143
Incredibly fucking based

[Anonymous No.52612639]

>>52608731
Sounds A LOT like americans.

[Anonymous No.52612657]

>>52608143
nice so I can offer a job to an italian cutie to be my sex slave and she can't refuse it?
On my way to italia for some pasta pizza pussy.

[Anonymous No.52612719]

>>52608143

FUCKING BASED

>FUCK Y'ALL LAZY BUMS

[Anonymous No.52612723]

>>52611739
>doesn’t know American insurances are pumping their prices BECAUSE of Medicare, social securities and other government guarantees
>same for student loans

>he doesn’t know that it would be way easier if everyone just paid a little bit for the full public service already
>he thinks everyone will just magically have the opportunity to a decent healthcare if the prices drop to a “affordable” amount (probably some 5% less and no more)

Imagine licking cum crust off of neoliberalisms pants that hard

[Anonymous No.52612726]

>>52612577
So the state should support everyone who can't find a place in their profession of choice? You'd end up with a country full of unemployed horse-cobblers and lamp-lighters.

[Anonymous No.52614470]

>>52612401
irresponsibly based

[Anonymous No.52614723]

>UBI
>inflation
Huh? Why would UBI cause inflation? If you pool money from taxes into some UBI pot and pay from there no new money is created. All government spending can cause inflation if the country runs at a financial deficit. Why single out UBI of all things?

[Anonymous No.52614760]

>>52614723
faggot. explain to me why the fuck i would want MY MONEY to go into a "tax pot" to pay UBI to some unemployed dickwad?

[Anonymous No.52614874]

>>52614760
So you don't become homeless when you lose your job or quit on your own because it's too shitty. It gives you time to look elsewhere. >>52611531 has some fair points IMO. Another reason is so that you don't have to deal with tent cities and addicts shitting on the streets in broad daylight.

[Anonymous No.52614890]

>>52608163
I wish
(nigger)

[Anonymous No.52614901]

>>52612180
Asian women are superior to Italian women, but Italian men really are the master-race of men (in terms of looks).

[Anonymous No.52614946]

>>52614760
Its not YOUR MONEY you fucking troglodyte, it's the governements money. And most of it just goes to the jew anyway.

If it lowers crime and incarceration rates it's a bonus, because you'll be paying for that eitherway.

[Anonymous No.52614994]

>>52608731
UBI good
Tax cuts for everyone bad
Fuck neomarxists

[Anonymous No.52615286]

>>52614723
>If you pool money from taxes into some UBI pot and pay from there
1) italy does deficit spending, it means money from taxes are already not enough to pay for welfare = money printing (by sucking ecb cock while constantly blackmailed, so the ecb continues buying bonds with TPI)
2) taxes are already extremely high, every company is moving abroad, every skilled person is moving abroad, manufacturing is gone, brain drain is huge
3) nobody fucking wants to pay more taxes just to give more gibs to retarded commies
4) UBI doesn't work and it does cause inflation
>>52614994
do a backflip moron

[Anonymous No.52615666]

>>52608213
Watch all the pajeets and africans flee en masse as soon as this happens

[Anonymous No.52615678]

>>52614901
>Italian men really are the master-race of men

t.

[Anonymous No.52615689]

>>52614946
>welfare
>lowering crime

[Anonymous No.52615703]

>>52615286
Defecit spending is the only option when the rich don't want to pay taxes.

America is doing the opposite. Printing money and making the poor pay for it. Italy is just printing money and making the rich pay for it.

None of these options seem like a possible future but you'll both be arguing with eachother right until the ship sinks.

[Anonymous No.52615718]

>>52609080
>based turbo-capitalist Italy without taxation and less state, less regulations, less bureaucracy.

>I sure do love Chinese gutter oil and horse meat, and fentanyl in my aspirin.

[Anonymous No.52615744]

>>52615718
America is an over regulated shithole and yet American food is borderline carcinogenic.

[Anonymous No.52615796]

>>52615703
> Defecit spending is the only option when the rich don't want to pay taxes
> what is austerity?

[Anonymous No.52615814]

>>52615718
A free, unregulated marketplace does not imply that your only punishment for killing someone is potential reduction in future revenues.

[Anonymous No.52615855]

>>52615703
>Defecit spending is the only option when the rich don't want to pay taxes.
throwing commies out of helicopters is the only option when they refuse to learn basic economics
go read Rothbard, or if your IQ is too low, maybe Thomas Sowell can ELI5
>Italy is just printing money and making the rich pay for it.
rich people don't pay taxes, they can do international setups and use geo-arbitrage
increasing taxes only increases the brain drain with massive emigration of skilled labour and it kills competitivity, so every company relocates abroad
then you are left with some wasteland full of unemployed with zero opportunities and crying to the government for more handouts and guarantees
>MUH JOB GUARANTEES, I WANT FREE GIBS, I WANT EASY WORK AND BIG PAY, I WANT THIS, I WANT THAT, WEEEEEEEEEE
this is your brain on communism, relying on mommy state for breadcrumbs and constantly complaining it's not enough, while ignoring communism is the equivalent of throwing salt on a farmland
>>52615718
go ask FDA, they are the ones taking the bribes, blocking safe pharmaceuticals to shill their pfizer shit
and if you like watermelon and fried chicken is none of my business, eat whatever garbage you want

[Anonymous No.52615980]

>>52612577
if she's such a shitty doctor that she can't find work as a doctor

[Anonymous No.52616119]

>>52615703
nobody should be paying taxes. taxation is theft.

[Anonymous No.52616415]

>>52608143
based and beautiful. basediful

[Anonymous No.52616580]

>be racist
>get fired

[Anonymous No.52617005]

>>52615744
This.

>>52616119
It's their money. They are the ones who printed it?

[Anonymous No.52617295]

>>52608143
Been like this in Sweden for like 15 years. That's why our job market is like the hunger games. Once you get to level 2 or 3, it's easy street, but that first opportunity is worth killing for....

[Anonymous No.52617414]

>>52608143
it s just starting. wait until euro collaspe and 1EUR = 1 UST = 0 USD

[Anonymous No.52617435]

>>52608143
Calm down, it's only for italians
Migrants can still NEET
You aren't a citizen, are you?

[Anonymous No.52617454]

>>52608163
The zionist version.

[Anonymous No.52617758]

>>52610908
thanks for the input, but we all understand that you guys are retarded. you don't need to actually respond.

[Anonymous No.52617789]

>>52617005
sweetie, money is property. if it's in my bank account after I earned it at my job, then it's not their property anymore, it's mine. it actually hasn't been their property for quite a while, because before it belonged to me it belonged to my employer, and before it belonged to her it belonged to someone else. you don't get to build a guitar and sell it someone and then years later show up and say "give me the guitar back, for free. after all, I built it"

[Anonymous No.52617814]

>>52617789
Taxes are literally rent. If you have no problems with landlords then taxes shouldn't bother you either.

[Anonymous No.52617850]

>>52608163
good

[Anonymous No.52618159]

>>52617814
>Taxes are literally rent.
show me the rental agreement I signed.
fuckin retard

[Anonymous No.52618245]

>>52618159
Oh, so agreements have to have a signature now? Well, I never agreed to your private property rights.

[Anonymous No.52618314]

>>52608143
So the europoors might finally start becoming less poor. Good for you.

[Anonymous No.52618439]

>>52608949
You're right. It doesn't go far enough. Just kick all those off the welfare rolls after a limited about of time. No excuses.

[Anonymous No.52618443]

>>52608143
i want to stab her right in the pussy with my penis

[Anonymous No.52618463]

>>52610315
>UBI doesn't give you shit, it's just money printed out of thin air, while real assets and real goods produces stay constant
It's even worse than that. Real goods production would go down because an ever increasing chunk of society would just be neeting and producing nothing.

[Anonymous No.52618506]

Commies and ancaps are equally delusional retards. Ancaps are in fact a bit worse because they should know better.

[Anonymous No.52618547]

>>52608163
Kek you fucking losers vote right wing and you somehow think they dont do this sort of stuff?

[Anonymous No.52618955]

>>52609080
>Italy without taxation
Don't get me wrong, Italy is fucking wonderful, but I had no idea people paid taxes in Italy.

[Anonymous No.52618970]

>>52608143
bogans and blacks have been dodging this clause in strayan welfare for decades. I really cannot imagine anything easier than scuttling an interview.

[Anonymous No.52618983]

>>52614901
>Asian women are superior to Italian women
You're fucking crazy.

[Anonymous No.52619010]

>>52608143
NEETcuck SISTERS, is it over?

[Anonymous No.52619017]

>>52608143
I don't have any job offers.. probably never will

[Anonymous No.52619018]

>>52611305
Czech tradwife pls
>inb4 that's all porno girls

[Anonymous No.52619024]

>>52608731
>were trained to brag about being a little slave
what? lol
Italians are the laziest fucks on this earth
lmao

[Anonymous No.52619448]

>>52618245
>I never agreed to your private property rights.

[Anonymous No.52619457]

>>52618443
that's a man, babyyyyyyy, yeahhhh

[Anonymous No.52619535]

>>52608229
>BTFO by based Reaganwoman Italy woman
She really is the Margaret Thatcher of the 21st Century.

[Anonymous No.52619655]

>>52608143
that's already how it works at least in northern Europe
you think people who have been unemployed for 5+ years are drowning in job offers lol?

[Anonymous No.52620367]

>>52619535
italians are just spanish-arab cucks

[Anonymous No.52620376]

>>52608143
Wife material

[Anonymous No.52622169]

>>52619655
In Sweden the state just forces you into some low-skilled work program if you're unemployable. You get paid like 1500 euros making street signs, sweeping garbage from the streets or some other manual labor but its better for the state to do this than to give you neetbucks.

[Anonymous No.52622191]

>>52622169
What a nightmare... having jobs enough so you can be forced into it.

[Anonymous No.52622216]

>>52611047
>t. brainwashed by far left Marxist think tanks

[Anonymous No.52622750]

>>52618245
what public schools do to a mf

[Anonymous No.52622906]

>>52611047
yes, the absolutely braindead takes from the public school graduates in here really demonstrate the wonderful benefits the government can provide.

[Anonymous No.52622962]

>>52622191
Imagine going to medical school for that.

[Anonymous No.52622969]

>>52611197
The communist manifesto literally advocates for central banks because Marx knew it was cancer that would destroy capitalism and push people to communism, you fucking faggot retard.

Imagine being a delusional communist and calling other people delusional.

[Anonymous No.52622984]

>>52622191
>having jobs enough so you can be forced into it.
what the fuck does this mean. what the fuck is "having jobs enough"

[Anonymous No.52623008]

>>52608143
She's doing the bidding of the kikes. Look at who financed and created her, it's nothing but (((them))) from top to bottom.

[Anonymous No.52623027]

>>52615666
More like watch them turn into literal bandits ransacking and looting everything in their path. Also jeets aren't a thing in Italy, they only go to the UK. Western EU is only flooded by arabs and niggers.

[Anonymous No.52623038]

>>52618245
>I'm 14 and my parents won't give me an allowance, we should gas you 25yo boomers!
Whoa....

[Anonymous No.52623046]

>>52618443
>your name is literally a slang for boobas in italian
>you're as flat as a pancake
fucking sad

[Anonymous No.52623068]

>>52608399
go tell that to all the doctors who lost their license for refusing the vax.

[Anonymous No.52623169]

>>52622969
>The communist manifesto literally advocates for central banks
Only in your dreams.

>but muh 10 planks!
Illiterate retard detected.

[Anonymous No.52623218]

>>52608143
Good, work or be homeless and kys

[Anonymous No.52623257]

>>52609229
>abolish central banking

[Anonymous No.52623307]

>>52623169
high IQ
>BTC maxi
low IQ
>Central bank statist & socialist
negative IQ
>commie who thinks he doesn't need any form of money at all to perform transactions
>hello i would like to buy some chink product on amazon prime, i can pay using my handmade fake pearl bracelets

[Anonymous No.52623335]

>>52623307
Nice one, Corky.

[Anonymous No.52623575]

>>52608143
Neets don't understand that getting a job and signing off long term sick with depression or something else you can easily feign is the true path to bring paid for doing fuck all.

[Anonymous No.52623785]

>>52623335
i just saved your life, thx me later

[Anonymous No.52623977]

>>52623785
>based black man Thomas Sowell
>doesn't understand the first thing about economics
wew, who could have guessed

[Anonymous No.52624026]

>>52608163
Lazy hands typed this

[Anonymous No.52624060]

>>52623785
Socialist leanings are correlated with higher education in economics, especially at Ph.D. level.

[Anonymous No.52624098]

>>52610396
Softolini.

[Anonymous No.52624116]

>>52624060
And that's why economists are still useless trying to validate their models by cherrypicking data.

[Anonymous No.52624506]

>>52624060
what a damning indictment of our nation's PhD programs

[Anonymous No.52624604]

>>52624060
They are literally paid to shill central banking non-sense cause that’s where their salary comes from
Not different than Bitboy shilling some garbage ICO before the rug or SBF shilling SQLana
And remember
>Paul Krugman and Ben Bernake won a Nobel Prize in Economics
it just means
>the more you shill central banking non-sense, the more central banking sponsors you
But it still doesn’t make their insane economical theories right and their IQ higher than a sub-saharian

[Anonymous No.52624692]

>>52608171
Deadbeats mad.

>>52608731
>She's good about a lot of things but saying that UBI should be conditional to your accepting job offers is retarded. It's UBI. By definition, it should not be conditional to anything.

UBI shouldnt exist in the first place, be happy shes putting conditions on it rather than abolishing it like it deserves.

[Anonymous No.52625191]

Finally a thread worthy of my talents.

In Italy,
>56% of the poor do not receive the allowance because they have not resided in Italy for at least 10 years, do not turn to the Centre of Fiscal Assistance and patronages, or already have saving

Guess how many of the recipients are old age pensioners, disabled people, poor students, or people who were born with congenital birth defects and because of a catholic belief that God doesn't make mistakes, and He gives babies just the right amount of chronic pain they should be able to handle.

At any rate, the fact is UBI is welfare for landlords

[Anonymous No.52625897]

>>52625191
>the fact is UBI is welfare for landlords
Might as well call it welfare for farmers.

[Please, no more. No.52626373]

>>52612577
I'm a plastic surgeon irl and a Jannie .
Bite me

[Anonymous No.52626438]

>>52609080
Even ADAM SMITH realized that in a free market, labor wages tend to fall to bare subsistence while capital tends to centralize into literal conspiracies against the public and contrivances to raise prices. "Turbo-capitalists" and turbo retarded.

[Anonymous No.52626443]

>>52625191
>UBI is welfare for landlords
what does that even mean

[Anonymous No.52626451]

>>52626373
no you're not

[Anonymous No.52626485]

>>52626438
>in a free market, labor wages tend to fall to bare subsistence
in techno-communist states it's called "you will own nothing and be happy"
it means you need to wageslave forever and rent everything, and when you are old and sick you'll get free euthanasia
wonderful
i'll get turbo-capitalism any day

[Anonymous No.52626504]

>>52626485
>"you will own nothing and be happy"
You just described Blackrock's vision for young Americans. This is capitalism.

[Anonymous No.52626526]

>>52626504
>This is capitalism.
capitalism requires private ownership of the means if production, so, no it's not.

[Anonymous No.52626532]

>>52626526
*means of production

[Anonymous No.52626543]

>>52626526
>>52626532
What means of production aren't privately owned?

[dice+2d6 No.52626572]

>>52608835
>its not ubi. Its jobless benefits
It's supposed to be UBI. It was designed to be that. We already have unemployment benefits (it's called NASPI). This was supposed to be different.

[dice+2d6 No.52626592]

>>52619024
We work 40 hours per week. You mongoloids are exploited 50-70 hours per week by your (((masters))), who barely let you survive, and you brag about it.

You're all the workhorse in Animal Farm.

[dice+2d6 No.52626613]

>>52624692
>shouldnt exist in the first place
Every policy (and I mean every one) should be tried before being accepted or rejected. You test everything. Then if it's good, you accept it. If it's bad, you tweak it or reject it. But first you MUST test it, if nothing else, in order to put to rest its most fanatical supporters.

[Anonymous No.52626647]

>>52626592
Just because you are cattle shabbos goy and your weak intellect doesn’t allow you to run a business doesn’t mean others can make money with little work
Now back to the cagie, wagie

[Anonymous No.52626687]

>>52626543
those that are collectively owned

[Anonymous No.52626707]

>>52626613
>Every policy (and I mean every one) should be tried before being accepted or rejected. You test everything. Then if it's good, you accept it. If it's bad, you tweak it or reject it.
I guess we're still just testing federal income tax, right?
>in order to put to rest its most fanatical supporters.
why on earth would we spend time and resources in the economic whims of the economically illiterate. how about we spend that time and money on education instead so people stop coming up with such stupid ideas.

[Anonymous No.52626748]

>>52626613
Can you test them in another country please?
Leave Italy alone, we don’t need more suicidal commies ideas

[Anonymous No.52626793]

>>52626687
Like what? And "collective" in what sense? Corporations are always "collectives" of people with multiple owners, it still means they are privately owned.

[Anonymous No.52626808]

>>52626613
To evaluate a policy, you must have a value in mind by which you measure the success or failure of that policy. I suspect critics fear that a UBI might damage economic output while advocates value the fact that it increases freedom and well being of human life.

[Anonymous No.52627167]

YOU VILL WORK AT MCSHEKELBERGS BURGER WAREHOUSE, YOU VILL EAT ZE BUGS

[Anonymous No.52627204]

>>52608163
wasn't mussolini a socialist? he would let you keep being a lazy mooch

[Anonymous No.52627291]

>>52610816
Everybody knows that fashies support Russia and nazis Ukraine.

[Anonymous No.52628722]

>>52608171
>Italy never really had a lot of welfare benefits to begin with, we just had this sort of UBI for a couple of years but Meloni has just abolished it and the south is seething

Economy is basically non-existent in the south though, right? Don't you all treat terroni like niggers?

[Anonymous No.52628762]

>>52626572
It doesn't matter what it was "designed to be," all that matters is what it is. And it's not UBI.