Wouldn’t Russia be better off selling that gas to Germany?

[Anonymous No.51136554]

And then buying weapons with the proceeds to be used in Ukraine? I don’t quite understand why it helps more to burn the gas off than sell it. I thought natural gas is currently in high demand.

[Anonymous No.51136577]

Russia is just selling the gas (Unrefined) to Loos and Chinkos and then after its refined loos/chinkos are just slapping a 'Made in India/China' logo on it and sending it Europe at a massive markup.

[Anonymous No.51136591]

>>51136554
>Germans now begging to get gassed

Oh how the turn tables.

[Anonymous No.51136642]

>>51136554
fuck you faggots I have to wear a coat mid summer because the basement is cold and my dad shut the warm water off until I get a job

[Anonymous No.51136653]

>>51136554
fuck germany, and fuck europe they smugly decided to ruin their economy and future listening to some mongoloid swedish girl

[Anonymous No.51136657]

>>51136591
How the tubes turn.

[Anonymous No.51136689]

>>51136577
Natural gas isn't crude oil. China and India use these imports from Russia to meet their own energy needs because they're paying Russia only a third what it's worth. It's literally free energy.

[Anonymous No.51136834]

>>51136653
Nuclear energy really is the solution to the energy crisis.
The reason they won't let it happen is because it's not going to make slaves of everyone.

[Anonymous No.51136970]

i've tried to explain this for months when the war started because it's quite important to understand the decisions by both sides that lie behind the facade.

russia doesn't gain all that much from selling gas, since they have been converting the proceeds to ruble since the start of the war anyways. they need euro or dollars for foreign trade, not ruble, so all it does is create demand for their currency and stabilize it in the face of sanctions.
so why did they convert the proceeds at all and not just immediately use the euros they get to buy weapons? because modern arms supply chains are very complex and sanctions make it very difficult for russia to find the trade partners necessary to build their modern arms at all. it doesn't help if you have cash but nobody is willing to trade with you. so they are limited by structural factors, not monetary ones.

now, the situation is that they still don't have much use for the proceeds, but the ruble doesn't require much protection anymore (in fact, the russian central bank has said that they'd like it to be weaker) and russia is still incapable of using euros and dollars to build arms. so they start using it as a weapon to hurt those supporting ukraine, in hopes that it puts enough pressure on them to make them ease off.
they can't sell it off elsewhere either because natgas is not really a liquid market. the gas mostly goes where the pipelines are, nowhere else. LNG is still quite young.

[Anonymous No.51136980]

>>51136554
War is never profitable.

[Anonymous No.51136982]

>>51136554
Is this the famed efficiency of capitalism, the system that doesn't allow the wasting of precious resources that biz keeps telling me about?

[Anonymous No.51136993]

>>51136982
Doesn't matter because your definition of capitalism is "when the state does bad things".

[Anonymous No.51137024]

>>51136980
LMAO the entire wealth of america is built on war you braindead zoomer

[Anonymous No.51137032]

>>51136554
Russians love to tease and abuse Germans, it's just in their blood

[Anonymous No.51137042]

>>51136653
>smugly decided
Right.... Right....
It had nothing to do with world leader USA. Nooo noo... It was autismo Thunderburg.
Jesus fucking christ, you americans are really some daft, dumb, fat fucking cunts arent you?

Ukraine wouldnt have happened if your demented bedshitter in cheif didnt fuck around there in 2014, and then influence the puppet Zelensky to rub his dick in Russias face about expanding Nato.
Its literally all american ventures, as per usual, with everything. America fucking shit up, and the world is left picking up the remains.
Germany and europe are vassal states of the US and will give in to these kinds of demands. If the US says "sanction russia", you really think Europe has a say in it ? You fucking retarded, inbred, fat, faggot ..

As with everything, regular people have no say in politics. Thats why your country has been hollowed out for over 30 years, and when it collapses you'll be left with nothing. -And I still dont blame your retarded ass. Because I realize you have no say in washington DC. Retard.

[Anonymous No.51137062]

>>51137024
>the entire wealth of america is built on sending resources for pointless wars
I could understand being subversive with the CIA and get the best routes for commerce, but america was an industrial giant before china stepped in and america drowing in faggotry.

[Anonymous No.51137104]

>>51136993
So are you saying that the state and capitalism are irreconcilable because the state can override at any moment any or all of the perceived benefits of capitalism by "doing bad things".
Then what the fuck are we doing, lmao.

[Anonymous No.51137110]

>>51137062
As long as USD is the world’s reserve currency they have the cheat codes for infinite money and can finance as many wars as they want. The fact they’re inflating away people’s savings and destroying the middle class is someone else’s problem.

[Anonymous No.51137125]

>>51136980
Profound

[Anonymous No.51137134]

>>51137104
You have your own definition of capitalism and i have free markets vs state intervention, that's it.

Tell me how that "inefficiency" would happen without a war caused by a centralized entity using coercion to get what a group of powerful people at the top want.

[Anonymous No.51137135]

>>51136980
War is always profitable. Case in point, Russia.

[Anonymous No.51137183]

>>51137135
>russia loses customers consuming gas
>rubles loses half its value only to regain it by fucking over russia's economy by increasing insterest rates
>just to throw resources to a third world country for the sake of nationalism
Very profitable.

[Anonymous No.51137186]

>>51136554
why? seems they would be better off giving germany absolutely nothing and then when germany commits suicide as a country they can just drive in, wash the dead bodies down the sewers, and wallah

[Anonymous No.51137228]

>>51137110
>cheat codes
>either fucking consumers or fucking producers

[Anonymous No.51137255]

>>51137042
American disinfo campaigns have gotten so good. They learned from the Iraq coverage how to get the liberals for the Ukrainian situation. Now the US is full of both sides that think Zelensky is the most holiest and that they should send billions of dollars to Ukraine and more weapons (while Americans themselves can't pay for anything and drag Europeans into it) I know left leaning individuals who were vehemently against the occupations in the Middle East now supporting the military industrial complex for Ukraine. When brought up, they say nothing.

[Anonymous No.51137259]

>>51137183
Very. Their energy exports are already at record level for 1 year only 2/3rds of the year in. The ruble is still stronger than before and interest rates are below what they were before the start of the war because of it. Russia won.

[Anonymous No.51137306]

>>51137259
>w-well we still numba 1 even after failing a blitzkrieg and lose europe as customer
>o-of course strong currency means economy good!
LOL

[Anonymous No.51137331]

>>51136554
Because they are going to force Germany's hand going into the winter by freezing their population to death so that the German government agrees to sabotage the Western contribution to the Ukranian war effort.

Checkem.

[Anonymous No.51137365]

>>51137042
Based
Mutts have insanely twisted worldview. They technically accept what a sinister bunch their glowie agencies are, but they do not internalize this knowledge.
Personal experience, it's incredible to have a guy (American acquaintance, self describes as left leaning and skeptical) smugly tell me (a Pole) that "they will not let anything bad to us" happen, while american project to wreck the region plays out.
It's hard to hate them, they are only puppets in the final game over who sets up the inevitable (?) one world government. But I can't respect them.

[Anonymous No.51137369]

>>51136982
>efficiency of capitalism
its commie, not capitalism.
they just put the capitalsm mask on to benefit from the trade with the west. mentally they are still stuck in the soviet union.

[Anonymous No.51137428]

>>51137369
It's neither commie or capitalist, it's statist bullshit ending in misery as it always does.
But people will never learn, they're already discussing about adding a price cap on gas here in EU, despite price control causing shortages and disincentive in producing a determined good every time we tried that.

We're about to see human beings trying to push free market capitalism and the profit motive away for the six gorillion time, only for capitalism to backfire once again and ruin their plans for prosperity.

[Anonymous No.51137473]

>>51136970
What the fuck are you smoking?
>doesn't gain all that much from selling gas
Rubles are what the government uses for all domestic expenditure and most countries they trade with still happily do exchanges, there is zero need for Euros or dollars when trading with China
>use the euros they get to buy weapons
What? Russia domestically produces all their own weapons, in fact most of what the government uses in general is required to be domestic, not just the weaponry. Why the hell would they buy from NATO...their enemies who don't even normally allow that

[Anonymous No.51137506]

>>51137306
meanwhile the entire EU is collapsing lol

[Anonymous No.51137537]

>>51137042
>puppet Zelensky
He was literally a pro-Russia, pro-peace candidate that pro-Russian ukies voted for in droves. Why did Russia refuse to place UN peacekeepers in their commie "people's republics"?

[Anonymous No.51137543]

>>51137473
>Rubles are what the government uses for all domestic expenditure and most countries they trade with still happily do exchanges, there is zero need for Euros or dollars when trading with China
kek

>What? Russia domestically produces all their own weapons
kek

the chinks don't like you either, ivan. you're just a useful but expendable tool, just like the EU is to the US.

[Anonymous No.51137591]

If the West severs almost all economic ties to Russia, it doesn't really help Russia to fuel the West.

"Global economy numbers go up" doesn't even work for the West when you look at how polluted our life and the environment is.

[Anonymous No.51137602]

>>51137506
My main point is war is not profitable, and so far you faggot have failed to provide anything that proves otherwise you just resort to "russia is still ok anyways without europe".
The world is far better without monkeys waging violent wars against each others, and that gas russia is burning would add money to its pocket.

[Anonymous No.51137629]

>>51137024
the wealth of america is built on the other countries going into a world war twice while they just made bank selling products to the parties.

[Anonymous No.51137642]

>>51136554
What they are burning is literally a percent or two from total production. Before the gas rise (so '21 figures) Russia was exporting around 108 Bn USD worth of gas to Europe (again, before hike, although these are future contracts, so hikes lag some 3 to 6 months before delivery). Meaning that the burning of 10M USD per day is literally 3% of monetary, but in reality considering that gas has more than tripled this year, it's probably 1% of production. This is perfectly normal, and it's probably cheaper than to store. Ofc there's some liberties with the maths, and I wouldn't be surprised if they calculated this poorly just for the headline.

TL;DR This is a shitty metric and it's just done to get a headline and a shitty article out the door.

[Anonymous No.51137670]

>>51137543
Cool, just the usual deflection. Nice to know you just pulled it all out of your ass, glowfag

>just a useful but expendable tool
How all countries should see each other.
The chinks don't give a shit about anyone, only what benefits them, and Russian resources and weapons components are a lot more useful to them than American moral bitching and active support of their enemy

[Anonymous No.51137675]

>>51136980
>>51137135
I suggest you read The Art of War by Sun Tzu

[Anonymous No.51137687]

>>51137675
Ok let me correct what i said previously, war is ONLY profitable when it doesn't last too much and your government takes resources from its enemy.

[Anonymous No.51137692]

>>51136554
Guys, does anyone know if wars have ever been fought over energy? Like oil, for instance.

[Anonymous No.51137702]

>>51137692
I don’t think so. Most wars are fought because some people benefit by gaining weapons contracts.

[Anonymous No.51137724]

>>51137473
>Russia domestically produces all their own weapons
Using imported components

[Anonymous No.51137736]

>>51137692
The strategic importance of oil resources in World War II also showed in campaigns such as:

the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (August–September 1941) to secure access to Persian oil

Japan's strategic offensive against the Dutch East Indies (1941–1942) to re-access embargoed oil and rubber resources

the Wehrmacht's drive towards Baku and the oilfields of the Caucasus (Case Blue and Operation Edelweiss) in the summer of 1942

the Soviet invasion of Romania in August 1944, which deprived the Axis of the important Ploesti oil-fields

[Anonymous No.51137799]

>>51137306
>>51137602
You have it backwards. I debunked your nonsense about the non-profitability of war and you started talking about the blitzkriegs instead of staying on topic.
As I said, Russia made MORE money from energy than it did whilst not waging war and has lower interest rates than it did before. That gas is, as a matter of actual fact, not going to add more money to its' pocket. It will only bring the prices of gas down and result in a net negative for Russia.

[Anonymous No.51137846]

The Russian Ukraine war and European, American and Japanese sanctions are very profitable to the brown, black, red and yellow hordes.
It's just causing the whites to destroy themselves again like in world war 2

[Anonymous No.51138919]

>>51136591
kek

[Anonymous No.51138981]

>>51136834
i am a big time proponent of investing in uranium right now and i have always been fascinated by nuclear power, but it's not necessarily "the solution," full stop.
energy is political, the world will continue in crisis even after the major powers use nuclear to solve /their/ energy crises, individually.
like if you think oil is not going to $300, and after it gets there you try to move the goalposts to "well it won't stay there/keep going up, nuclear power will fix everything," you're going to have a very bad time.

[Anonymous No.51139000]

>>51136689
natural gas is better than crude oil. natural gas can be turned into lubricants and light liquid fuels. it's a bit expensive right now but we're getting there. i put carbon-neutral 0w20 full synthentic in my jaguar for the first time this year.

[Anonymous No.51139027]

>>51137104
>the state and capitalism are irreconcilable
Yes.

[Anonymous No.51139145]

>>51137724
russia is resource independent

they even produce their own microprocessors. do you think they would use backdoor intel cpus in their military ?

so much copion

[Anonymous No.51139180]

Friends of the world, cooler heads need to prevail if we don't want to continue the endless (and ultimately needless) cycle of pain and suffering. We have all the technology, wisdom and ability to truly create a "pragmatopia" on this planet, weren't it for what historian and anthropologist Riane Eisler termed the "Dominator Model" of society, wherein the excessive worship of the "warrior" archetype and "might makes right" meme are enforced and seen as the way to interact with one another.

We have so much in common and any differences or animosities are mainly the cause of the crudeness of language (nevermind translating between different languages) as well as trauma incurred during our lives which we never resolved and continue to subconsciously or otherwise blame outwardly on "the other".

Indeed, we would do well to try as we can to make those near and dear to us aware of the needlessly dire situation we find ourselves in, created by a select group of psychopaths who as some might put it "made a pact with the devil" for mere power and material wealth.

Ultimately, we all have much more influence over this world through our actions than we care to admit and it is only through the ancient fear of the unknown and the luxury of apathy if we find ourselves in material comfort, that we do not exercise our abilities to bring about change. I suggest all to look within themselves and see the child they once were and how bright, mysterious and full of wonder the world truly is. Traumatized as we all might be, cynical apathy is not the answer and we all can say "we are not going to take this anymore" and together forge a world beautiful beyond our imagination. This is not merely a hypothesis, but a truth just beyond the horizon. Will shapes fate.

All the best and, as it were, Godspeed

[Anonymous No.51139186]

>>51137799
You didn't debunk shit, if you're not selling as much as before high prices won't help you lol, a characteristics of monopolies is selling less at high prices.

[Anonymous No.51139238]

>>51136554
It means the sanctions are working, duh.

[Anonymous No.51139240]

>>51139180
you have to go back wef shill
nato will never rule over all of us

[Anonymous No.51139256]

>>51136577
This is new war. US lacking hard.

[Anonymous No.51139313]

>>51136642
thats what you get for allowing the globohomo to control your country

[Anonymous No.51139323]

>>51136591

lmao

[Anonymous No.51139402]

>>51139313

[Anonymous No.51139478]

>>51136577
NOpe, they literally can't because the infrastructure isn't there to begin with and
>>51136689

[Anonymous No.51139499]

>>51137259
>The ruble is still stronger than before
Kek it's propped up to shit and you as a foreign investor literally can't sell it.

[Anonymous No.51139503]

>>51136554
So much for the lolberg position that money trumps ideology

[Anonymous No.51139809]

>>51139186
What are you even babbling on about, you absolute moron??? lmfao

That's some mind numbing stupidity right here. I already told you that they've made more money in the last 8 months from fossil fuels than they have in any other full year. How much they've sold is completely irrelevant.

If I sell 10 bottles of water for 1 dollar I have 10 dollars. If I sell 1 bottle of water for 100 dollars I have 100 dollars you absolute imbecile.

The fact that you needed to have this explained to you is utterly astounding. Then again, you shills are paid by the post, not by whether or not the post makes any sense at all.

[Anonymous No.51139889]

>>51136970
>the gas mostly goes where the pipelines are
i still dont get how so many people, normans and anons alike, dont get this simple fact of reality
so many times have i heard say but china and india is getting free energy from russia
no they are not really

[Anonymous No.51139918]

>>51136591

[Anonymous No.51139942]

Russia has other markets. Europe is a dying market of its own making. Same as America.

[Anonymous No.51139944]

>>51136554

[Anonymous No.51139975]

>>51137062
IG Farben, ww2, read and educate yourself

[Anonymous No.51141611]

>>51137537
>pro russia
believable
>pro peace
retarded
he's jewish anon

[Anonymous No.51141695]

>>51136554
imagine thinking its even remotely feasible to quit nuclear and gas at the same time
these politicians are knee-deep in fairy dust