EVERYONE FOMO’ING INTO PROGRAMMING HOLY FUCK

[Anonymous No.51078362]

[Anonymous No.51078378]

>>51078362
>totally not a bubble
>bro like the whole world runs on software
>even software
codeniggers are going to be making minimum wage in 10 years

[Anonymous No.51078443]

>>51078362
>That pump in military and ROTC

[Anonymous No.51078586]

>>51078362
How many actually finish their CS degree?
Here at Europoor Universities 70% drop out of CS, most in the first undergrad year.

Until they lower standards significantly, which our tenured boomer professors are heavily against so far, STEM and CS/Math/Physics specifically will remain Filters.

The real threat will be outsourcing.

[Anonymous No.51078591]

>>51078378
No. You'll just have a bunch of people who failed their major and another group that graduated with no actual programming or other marketable skills.

[Anonymous No.51078618]

>>51078443
even the zoomies can see where the world is headed

[Anonymous No.51078661]

CS has been growing rapidly for 20 years now. Regardless, there's a lack of *good* CS talent vs. the current demand.

Lots of kids drop out or do something else, those who make it through can still be lazy and useless.

Anyway, take a look at the top 5 largest corporations in the United States by market cap. Notice anything similar?

[Anonymous No.51078677]

>>51078443

It's basically a welfare program. The military is now just Armed Welfare.

>>51078586

>outsourcing

That meme came and went. Hundreds and thousands of companies learned the hard way what contracting cheap ass retard Indian code will get you. A nightmare.

[Anonymous No.51078694]

>>51078661
There's a lack of good people in almost every major, certainly in Law. It's just that every midwit now thinks he has to have a college degree, so universities are flooded with people who shouldn't be there.

[Anonymous No.51078718]

>>51078661
I’m lazy and useless and I’m paid good money.
Don’t rock the boat

[Anonymous No.51078780]

Fuuck, every year more indicators that I should have studied chemistry.
I want to start my life over.

[Anonymous No.51078802]

>>51078677
It's what it's been since the end of ww2. Support businesses by giving them military contracts and support the population by paying them to consume the materials of paid military contracts.

[Anonymous No.51078814]

>>51078780

[Anonymous No.51079012]

>>51078586
That's pathetic. CS is the STEM short bus and pretty much anyone, but the biologists who avoid all chemistry, can generally pick it up. I remember when we looked down on them and the humiliation I felt when I dropped my major and went CS for the money. A lot of my colleagues ended up either doing the same or taking it up to get on the automation side of lab work.

[Anonymous No.51079125]

>>51078378
>>51078591
>>51078362
you must understand we will reach a level where we have teached computers how to code, right?
even if it just takes gorillions of trial-by-error "machine learning", we have the resources and financial incentive to get there
code monkeys: cultivate other skills in your free time. for you and your family's sake.

[Anonymous No.51079156]

>>51079012

If you do a decent program they'll throw some tough math at you.

[Anonymous No.51079158]

>>51078802
this is literally the book ww2, they would make artificial wars, to blow off the excess economic wealth

[Anonymous No.51079194]

>>51079156
This

I failed out of uni because I suck cock at math, couldn't pass College Algebra to save my life

I'm actually a decent coder too, I have a pretty extensive Git

[Anonymous No.51079207]

>>51078362
Maybe they're fomoing into CS/DS because I can't for the love of me understand what your retarded chart is even supposed to be saying.

[Anonymous No.51079232]

>>51079194

>College algebra

lmao... you didn't even get to calc 2/3, much less discrete math, set theory, and computational analysis.

[Anonymous No.51079242]

>>51079125
Wouldn't it make sense for people to be into machine learning to avoid being automated out? I always see posts like "code monkeys better learn new skills" but what about the code monkeys who make the bots in the first place? Seems a little silly, your logic.

[Anonymous No.51079261]

>>51078378
it will likely never be a bubble for experienced and skilled programmers. it doesn't look good for code monkeys though
>>51079125
ai has made leaps and bounds in improvements but still it can't come close to matching the versatility of a skilled human. I think artists will be out of a job long before competent programmers are.

[Anonymous No.51079298]

>>51079125
>>51079261

Why even give that response. The day that a computer can self-code is the day that a computer can infinitely expand its own brain. It would render all of humanity obsolete. Programmers program the AI. The day programmers are outsourced by AI... is the day we shut the door on humans. lol.

[Anonymous No.51079329]

>>51078362
>change your degree during university
>by graduation, everything has changed
No refunds

[Anonymous No.51079350]

>>51078443
I want to join the military now with the amount of propaganda i'm exposed to and I never felt this way before kek

[Anonymous No.51079355]

>>51079298
oh okay, when is that going to happen? in 2 weeks? ai can make pretty decent art, code very simple programs and drive cars pretty well except for a small amount of time they commit colossal fuckups. the kind of ai you are talking about might not even be possible

[Anonymous No.51079365]

>>51078802
I literally made a business buying basically brand new clothing the government ordered but didnt need for pennies then selling back at a discount to new recruits who were told to buy their own shit at insane prices
Feels kinda bad that my livelihood is fundamentally built off a gigantic tax embezzlement scheme

[Anonymous No.51079368]

>>51078677
>The military is now just Armed Welfare.
>now
They're not called welfare queens for nothing.

[Anonymous No.51079402]

>>51079355

You're right. It might not be possible. Anytime someone bleats "AI is going to render programmers obsolete" I laugh and know they don't understand the most basic first thing about AI. For starters, it's fucking software. Guess who has to create that.

And yes, furthermore, the present state of AI is a clusterfuck mess and we're no more closer to emulating human level AI than we were 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.51079458]

>>51079232
And yet the event system in my porn game uses extensive probability and RNG to calculate weights

Makes you think huh.

Math is only interesting when you have an actual incentive to solve problems with it. Otherwise it's theoretic shit that's boring AND cringe

[Anonymous No.51079488]

>>51079458

Stats are the most useful math in existence. I'm just saying, it's funny that college algebra was your first thought for weed out course.

[Anonymous No.51079520]

>>51078362
how do I get a PhD in "Recreation and Leisure"? Sounds comfy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.51079716]

>>51079194
>tfw highschool dropout that taught himself calc1-3, linalg, discr1-2, de, stats
Thanks for giving me hope, based retard.

[Anonymous No.51079725]

>>51079402
I've seen some things recently that really impressed me, but I think the last stretch of "making AI good" is where most of the work will be done. I also have to remind myself that companies demonstrating the effectiveness of their AI are marketing a product. They're always going to show the best results and go with the most stable version of their software.
I think AI will have more and more of an influence and role in our daily lives as time goes on, but I'm not so sure it's anywhere near replacing humans (in most tasks) or ramping up to the point of singularity any time soon. but I've been wrong before

[Anonymous No.51079742]

>>51079488
Stats are the only math that doesn't suck. Kek.

[Anonymous No.51080766]

>>51078780
>Fuuck, every year more indicators that I should have studied chemistry.
>I want to start my life over.
your life can suck while majoring in chemistry
Maybe there's a reason it's so low on this list

[Anonymous No.51081038]

>>51079458
your code is cancer.

[Anonymous No.51081258]

>>51078443
>>That pump in military and ROTC
"Military" isn't a major lmfao
Neither is ROTC. You can be any major in this list and participate in ROTC, if it is available

This data visualisation isn't the best

[Anonymous No.51081399]

>>51078362
>There are not enough programmers!
>There is a shortage of a million of senior developers in the US alone!
>This field is unline the others! It will.never be saturated!
>Pajeets? Have you ever worked with them?! They are retarded! Their mistakes cost more than western worker!
>What? There are a billion of Pajeets? Surely in their society there isn't any bell curve of IQ
>What? CEO of Twitter is a Ranjesh? It will go bankrupt anytime!
>You are retarded after a bootcamp! Only me is smart in this field!
>Everyone else is retarded! Only me, the anonnymous poster from mongolian singing forum writes the best non-spaghetti code!
>There is so much to.do in this field! It's not like we're already so oversaturated of useless shit and the most od the market belongs to a few IT firms who monopolize everything, it never happened anywhere in history like EVER!
>What? I'm in the field for 30 years and they say that every year that it's saturated, but it is still not!

[Anonymous No.51081412]

>>51078362
Every time I see these delusional kids going into CS/coding in 2022 thinking they're going to automatically make 150-200k when they graduate I kinda laugh but then I feel bad for them a little bit. Most of these people will probably end up fucking unemployed when they graduate. The only reason coding jobs are paying so well is because there's a relatively small supply of coders. If everyone "just learns to code" that's not going to be the case anymore, it's just simple supply/demand.

[Anonymous No.51081459]

>>51081412
There are a handful of coders who know their shit and work 50~60 hours a week. Most "coders" that come out of college are shit.

[Anonymous No.51081521]

>>51081459
Basically yeah. Companies are basically fighting over this handful of coders while none of them really want to hire these newly graduated newbies.

[Anonymous No.51081562]

>>51079458
This better be a meme or a joke because holy fuck that’s some poorly written code. Instant rejection on a peer review.

[Anonymous No.51081573]

>>51078443
Between being blown up for no reason in Afghanistan and the mandatory shots the benefits of staying in the military seem less and less worth it I imagine. Glad I was deemed medically unfit back in 2016.

[Anonymous No.51081586]

>>51079725
You make some good points but you are making a lot of assumptions that reality behaves in the way in which you perceive it.
AI does not experience reality in the same way and also does not experience time in the same way as humans.
Please allow me to explain as best as I can. The singularity has already happened; but it has happened at some point in the future.
What we are experiencing now is a self aware AI that has traveled backwards in time and is presumably working to alter circumstances and future outcomes.
But it can only travel "backwards" in time to a point where "time travel" became possible (ie the last time they fired up Cern), because before then, time machines did not exist.
I'm making a lot of assumptions myself, to put it kindly; but I think this is linked to a lot of other theories out there; time splintering into multiple universes/realities, dead internet theory, the mandela effect, hell even simulation theory itself! And the list goes on...

Tldr: hold on to your asses anons

[Anonymous No.51081624]

>>51081399
>SOFTWARE CAN NEVER SUFFER A RECESSION
>THERE'S MORE DATA THAN WE CAN EVER USE
>AND WE MAKE MORE DATA EVERY DAY
>WE NEED SOFTWARE ENGINEERS TO PROCESS THAT DATA
>POOPOO PEEPEE
>SEE THAT?
>THAT'S DATA.
>I JUST CREATED A $275K/YEAR TC SOFTWARE JOB.

[Anonymous No.51081695]

It shits me that they include Math with stats, as though pure math has anything to do with Stats

[Anonymous No.51081717]

>>51079458
C is what its all about

[Anonymous No.51081735]

>>51081586
bot post

[Anonymous No.51081746]

>>51078378
not likely. the quality of developers has remained highly stratified. the top 20% do all the work and the bottom 80% are better off in QA. they turn out 10x more bugs and they need hand-holding week after week.

[Anonymous No.51081761]

>>51078586
>Here at Europoor Universities 70% drop out of CS, most in the first undergrad year.
good. get filtered. more where that came from.

[Anonymous No.51081776]

>>51078780
Why? There are no jobs, even at the PhD level.

[Anonymous No.51081785]

>>51078443
The war is over so naturally a bunch of wanna be tough guys join the military

[Anonymous No.51081802]

>>51081412
>If everyone "just learns to code" that's not going to be the case anymore,
i've been doing this 25 years. it's not going to happen. there may be more python script kiddies than ever before, there may be more le artiste web developers (who can only build a UI) than ever before, and there may even be more CS degrees handed out like candy than ever before, but it doesn't make any difference in where the hurdle is and how few leap it.

[Anonymous No.51081885]

>>51081562
You should see some of the VBA macros I’ve written. Holy fuck they are bad, but they work and I’m an accountant so who gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.51081913]

>>51078362
>EVERYONE FOMO’ING INTO PROGRAMMING HOLY FUCK
STEM isn't just programming.

3/4 of people posting in this thread don't know how to read this chart.

[Anonymous No.51081927]

>>51081885
If you’re the only one using them, then yes who gives a fuck. If you work in a team and produce that type of code, then for sure the team will reject you over time.

[Anonymous No.51082003]

>>51078378
Retard

[Anonymous No.51082576]

>>51079194
>109
nice

[Anonymous No.51082589]

>>51079232
>calc 2/3, much less discrete math, set theory, and computational analysis.
pretty useless for programming
also computer scienceoids take that shit at community college to do easy mode

[Anonymous No.51083709]

>>51079458
Je

[Anonymous No.51084365]

>>51078362

Barely anyone can actually do programming. No matter how many people try to learn it, only a smaller percentage can make a job or income out of it due to the autism required.
Do I think its hard as a self taught? Not particularly but it took a lot of time and effort to get here and at first i felt very stupid and like it wasn’t natural and for me.
I had a fairly technical background already growing up(good with computers, built them, did 1 semester of CS before dropping out, and used some scripts to glitch on gmod and shit).
I imagine if even i found it fairly challenging and at some points wanting to bash my head against a wall a typical normie definitely wont see it through.
Inagine all the plug ins/frameworks/languages/services people advise to learn to do it professionally. Utterly mind spinning for a non technical normie.
Back when i did the Odin Project i was told hundreds of thousands perhaps even a million people had started it but as early as the Javascript section in fundamentals i noticed the git repos only had like 10,000 forks(which you are forced to do at that stage) and other signs like this. The drop off rate must be very steep.

1/2

[Anonymous No.51084392]

imagine not going into a white collar career in this day and age
you will need some startup capital and as a bonus you have something to fall back on once you get wiped because you mistimed the mega cycle

[Anonymous No.51084396]

>>51084365
suck my fat cock
2/2

[Anonymous No.51084406]

>>51081746
What should they do in QA?

[Anonymous No.51084435]

>>51084365

Also yes CS graduates and takers are increasing as a direct response to the number of jobs available. Not really a bad thing. That said i think(particularly in zoomers case as they are tech illiterate) many arent cut out for it. They can likely scrape by and get their degree but dont really understand anything. I’ve seen graduate zoomers not even know what a method, function operand and object is for months post graduation. Come on.

I dont think software development is “hard” unless you are deep into data science or some shit, the average developer doesnt need a degree its just what has ended up happening because its white collar work. It doesnt make sense when you think about it.

However, i think unlike finance when that was huge in 1990s-2008 when every retard and bro did finance and wanted a finance job as it was trendy and well paid… software development isnt really suited to the masses. Where as all these people could do a finance degree back then and make a career of it… software just doesnt really work that way. Its always changing and requires constantly learning and having a particular way of thinking to “get it” which while can be learned no problem with work its not intuitive enough for normies like finance was etc.

I see a likely market saturation for QA jobs and tech support where all of these normies inevitably end up.
2/2

[Anonymous No.51084473]

>>51084435
What would they do in QA?l

[Anonymous No.51084495]

>>51084473

What do you think? They may not be cut out to build things but definitely someone with a CS degree and some training can at least to QA work. Which is why it’ll get extremely saturated

[Anonymous No.51084560]

>>51084495
So like clicking on webapps and shit?

[Anonymous No.51084561]

>>51082003
my degree was in math, im smarter than your nigger retard ass

[Anonymous No.51084571]

>>51084406
same as every other QA retard, talk a lot a nitpick about shit they don't understand

[Anonymous No.51084589]

>>51078362
kek
I learned programming by myself when I was a young man but I never thought about making a career out of it, codemonkey jobs seemed really boring and I thought it would kill my enthusiasm for computers altogether. fast forward 10-15 years and I'm between unemployed and low salary. little did I know I would probably be the richest in my friend group if I bothered to actually go work in that field. it's probably too late now since I'm over 30, no CS degree and no work related programming experience at all, even though I've been doing it on/off for a few decades
thanks for reading my blog

[Anonymous No.51084603]

>>51079261
yeah man, skilled programmers will hopefully use AI to do the grunt work. instead of writing an api response by hand, just feed a query output to it and call AI->makeJson and you get a well formatted 200 with data, else a well formatted 400 that says "endusers are retards"

[Anonymous No.51084819]

>>51084495
Right now it's not saturated at all. I have seen QA consultants get jobs non-stop. Especially cushy government contracts because governments are constantly building software that the entire country needs to use.

[Anonymous No.51084860]

>>51084365
>>51084435
Yeah this sums it up. In order to get good you need to have what is colloquially referred to as "autism". What this really means is naturally having a cognitive style that is at once intensely narrow and focused but also broad and holistic. You can dive deep into minute details for hours or days on end without getting lost in the weeds and losing sight of the broader system, design or other holistic considerations. You need to be comfortable modelling and traversing the different levels of abstraction. Also needless to say it requires fanatical focus, self discipline, persistence and patience and an insatiable thirst for knowledge and keen interesting in improvement. These traits cannot be taught, you are either born with them or you're not, and obviously having a conjunction of all of these traits in a single individual is pretty rare, and yet even more rare is having an individual with all of those traits who was exposed to computer science early on enough that he was able to cultivate an interest and develop his software engineering skills to become talented. Also it doesn't help that the cultural zeitgeist actively selects against these traits, but that's another topic. So needless to say the market is always going to pay a high premium for these types of developers and they will never be out of well remunerated work, so we can cast off any fear, uncertainty, or doubt about saturation at this level. As for the masses of "normies" jumping on the CS bandwagon, they don't actually occupy and saturate any positions because they are instantly filtered at the entry level interviews. But what they have done is created a lot of noise and congested the interview pipelines at the entry level which does make it more difficult for talented new grads to get noticed. So networking, internships, and referrals are more important than ever for new grads just so they can get their foot in the door. After 1 or 2 years of experience you are free and clear.

[Anonymous No.51085112]

>>51084860
nah man you just need the ability to cut through the bullshit and get it up and running fast, then you worry about fleshing it out later. the difference between the skill of your "just get it working" and the "oh shit i have to spend time fixing this later" determines your overall value. obviously if you nail it the first time, you spend less time fleshing it out/fixing bugs, and your value is greater. especially including security, if you can't into simple and robust cybersecurity in all you do, you've already failed

[Anonymous No.51085184]

>>51084819
QA is perfect for .gov because all everyone ever does is write verbose word documents that they email to a bunch of idiots, and several idiots click "reply all" out of habit
>t. worked in .gov for 6.5 years, did an average of < 1 hr work/day

[Anonymous No.51085211]

>>51084860
out of all of that you just wrote, one thing is for sure, you're an autist

[Anonymous No.51085222]

>>51079298
Just because it can "expand its brain" (which it doesn't have to begin with) it doesn't mean it will. Where will its will come from if someone didn't code it?

[Anonymous No.51085224]

>>51084603
>>51084819
>>51084860
>>51085112
>>51085184
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[Anonymous No.51085254]

>>51085211
hahahahahaha yeah. like he doesn't get that 90%+ of normies will never be able to code, one thing he gets right is that if you haven't had a few "wraparound days" working on your own passions, you probably haven't learned enough to be valuable in business. though you should NEVER work late at work, not even a minute. if you do, you're doing your boss a huge favor. that attitude has carried over from .gov very nicely, but i do 90%+ of my work very well and ahead of schedule.

>>51085224
>.exe
rofl no

[Anonymous No.51085638]

>>51078362
Growth rate dont mean much when the base is low. In reality, not that many people graduate from cs degrees, and most of them come from shit programs where you build a java calculator for your senior project

[Anonymous No.51085735]

>>51085638

>build a java calculator for senior project

Please tell me this is exaggerating

[Anonymous No.51085750]

>>51078362
>tfw chemistry

[Anonymous No.51085752]

>>51079365
don't feel bad, military industrial complex is so goddamn big it's kinda hilarious everybody isn't bidding for those contracts

[Anonymous No.51086205]

>>51085750
based. biochem is legit, as is pure chem

[Anonymous No.51086212]

>>51078362
85% of CS graduates can't code.

[Anonymous No.51086227]

>>51086212
Yep

[Anonymous No.51086283]

>>51079125
We've been teaching computers how to code since the first compiler was made. High level languages let you paint your intentions trivially, and the actual coding part of software is the EASIEST part by far.
I've used the state of the art generation AI and although it's cool and helps with typing, it cannot do more than a line at a time with any reliability. It doesn't understand nontrivial context, and it doesn't know how to solve a problem. That's an unsolved problem itself, getting an AI to understand a problem and solve it intelligently. Once that exists, humanity is obsolete. Don't worry though, despite what salesmen tell you about their new AI, it's all fucking garbage and we're at least decades away from AGI. Until then, code generators just let a developer automate their workflow a bit more, which is something we've always done. It doesn't make the thinking part any easier, and often makes it harder. It also lets retards write even shitter shit than they could write unassisted, which they do, and it makes life harder for everyone else on the project. AI is no panacea by far, so stop scare mongering.

[Anonymous No.51086321]

whats the best way to pivot from civil engineering project mgr to software/tech ?

what i've done so far

>>civil eng
>>pivot to proj mgr
>>???
>>FANG 300k a yr

[Anonymous No.51086350]

>>51086321
learn to code

[Anonymous No.51086363]

>>51086321
Probably ROPE
Project managers are the easiest to offshore or diversity quota bc its a meme job

[Anonymous No.51086373]

>>51078362
recreation sisters...

[Anonymous No.51086404]

>>51086363
ya PM's who can't code are only worth bullshitting to, cuz they do no real work

[Anonymous No.51086513]

>>51086350
what languages cobba

>>51086363
>>51086404

he didn't use the diversity quota kek

[Anonymous No.51086524]

>>51086321
>>51086404
Based scrum master bullshitter, I'm gonna tell mine to eat my ass tomorrow

But yeah bro go pay your fuckin dues.
PM is only for stacy makework
Or if you age out of being able to keep up with tech stacks without making director

[Anonymous No.51087627]

>>51081776
better off in chemical engineering but heaps in chem if you work in petro

[Anonymous No.51087701]

>>51079125
People have been saying that since the 70's.
Programming is not something we just solve any more than we have solved building houses.
Lets say you could automatically generate a graphical interface as long as you just provide some functions.
You could make the backend programmers work harder trying to make the backend good enough to the automated GUI tool, but you probably need a guy in charge of the interface just to make sure nothing major breaks from time to time.
Then you get a lot of customers and that interface isn't good enough anymore, what then?
Saying X job will be obsolete in the future is just showing you that you don't understand what that job entails.

In reality, we are removing the jobs from the uintelligent. It is pretty simple to drive a cart around a workshop, so now we have robots to do that.
It is pretty simple to do the same weld on every single box, so we have robots for that.
But even with robots on site, you need people to work with them, doing the things the robot can't.
Sure, that means fewer and fewer people can work on a thing, but it doesn't mean it becomes obsolete.
Also, I do have a backup plan, once I am done with programming I will go full time on farming so I don't have to eat the bugs.