/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.51024929]

You can now buy ice cream (and a large list of other things) anonymously with non-KYC Monero directly from your phone.

https://youtu.be/XZ0e6SFi3XU?t=126

It's literally that shrimple.

[Anonymous No.51025006]

Financial freedom never been so easy amirite

[Anonymous No.51025062]

>>51024929
But can I buy monero without having my credit card information stolen?

[Anonymous No.51025063]

>>51024929
>spam link to a YouTube video
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.51025073]

>>51025062
You don't need a credit card to buy Monero. A lot of people do cash-by-mail deals on LocalMonero.

[Anonymous No.51025075]

Why not just use cash?

[Anonymous No.51025080]

>>51025062
buy buttcoin or litebuttcoin, mix it, and then turn it into orangebuttcoin

[Anonymous No.51025115]

>>51024929
I didn’t watch yet, but if true bullish if you can buy booze with it.

[Anonymous No.51025141]

>>51025075
Cash is the best form of fiat, but you're still operating in printer-go-brrrrr government monopoly money. Expanding the range of things you can actually buy using crypto is ideal.

[Anonymous No.51025172]

>>51025115
You can pay for stuff at Hooters with it.

[Anonymous No.51025220]

every monero tx stays on the blockchain permanently. you'd unironically get better privacy swapping some of your monero into a bitcoin lightning channel and using that for your purchases.

[Anonymous No.51025234]

>>51024929
green is more anonymous than monero

[Anonymous No.51025275]

>>51025220
>you'd unironically get better privacy swapping some of your monero into a bitcoin lightning channel
That is really cool anon. Can you direct me to some darknet markets where I can buy stuff with the Lightning Network?

[Anonymous No.51025297]

>phone
>anonymous

[Anonymous No.51025331]

>>51025297
>not using burner phones

[Anonymous No.51025340]

>>51025275
Bitcoin was the first darknet choice, not monero

COPE

[Anonymous No.51025354]

>>51025340
>was

[Anonymous No.51025417]

>>51024929
app-ID and email is collected
email can be rotated, but app-ID is bound by phone
please understand this when pushing "non-KYC" as you are handing KYC-esque material to a counterparty when using this service
I do like the service, though. I bought a chipotle burrito seamlessly the other day.

[Anonymous No.51025460]

>>51025340
So that’s a no?

[Anonymous No.51025534]

>>51025275
darknet markets are catering to the lowest common denominator. advanced privacy strategies are beyond the average druggies capabilities.

[Anonymous No.51025568]

>>51025534
Explain in more detail, please. I was pretty impressed with the security measures the last time I looked at a DNM site.

[Anonymous No.51025611]

>>51025568
what else is there to explain. the operator wants to be paid in monero as a small part of their laundering strategy, and so mandates all transactions be paid in monero.
that doesn't mean the most private way to use cryptocurrencies is monero, very far from it. all it means is the operator wants monero as the first hop.

[Anonymous No.51025626]

>>51025534
People that sell heroin on the internet probably have a better perspective on these things than people with zero skin in the game. It's like listening to an interior decorator from Manhattan lecture a Nebraskan farmer on why his John Deere tractor sucks.

[Anonymous No.51025655]

>>51025626
yeah, and the beauty is you won't ever know what the sellers are doing for their laundering strategy. because that's part of the strategy.
all you get to see is the public facing side of it.

not to mention while the drug world needs moderately strong privacy, it's quite a few places down on the black market list. hence why so many markets were able to get away so long with just using public bitcoin txs.

[Anonymous No.51025664]

>>51025655
>Barista lecturing farmer on why his John Deere sucks intensifies

[Anonymous No.51025671]

>>51025664
like i said, any strategy that involves just one blockchain, especially one with statistical privacy and the flaws that go along with it, is an incomplete strategy.

if you think these high profile drug sellers are just using monero, you're very naive, and it shows.

[Anonymous No.51025694]

>>51025611
So what would a more sound privacy solution be than using monero? I've never heard of anyone getting traced using monero properly, but I don't think it's impossible.

[Anonymous No.51025731]

>>51025694
i've already posted one significantly superior strategy in this thread.

you won't hear of anything, of course, other than rumors online like these from people that deeply understand the theoretical vulnerabilities, with the underlying assumption that as long as they exist, and there's incentive to exploit them, somebody will.

[Anonymous No.51025770]

>>51025671
>you're very naive, and it shows
Since you're so smart I assume you bought big bags of Monero because you predicted years ago that it would supplant Bitcoin on darknet markets, right?

[Anonymous No.51025794]

>>51025063
click Embed you mongoloid

[Anonymous No.51025807]

>>51025770
i'm smart enough to realize that after 2018 monero had it's pump and it was time to move on, speculatively. remember, dark net or any otherwise minority usage isn't going to pump monero's price when privacy on monero comes from spending it, not holding it.

but again, because all you do is talk about the price, it's clear you don't actually understand the underlying cryptography, its weaknesses and strengths, and importantly how people that need privacy actually use it, if at all. altcoin pumpers like you are by definition unqualified. a bunch of sound bytes you heard on 4chan about privacy doesn't fool anybody that knows what they're talking about, it just embarrasses you.

[Anonymous No.51025895]

>>51025220
>every monero tx stays on the blockchain permanently
t. doesn't even know what an elliptic curve or diffie hellman key exchange is

[Anonymous No.51025898]

>>51024929
and the service has only just been released. im waiting for the ability to go to walmart and buy groceries, or safeway or costco or fucking gas. granted its still cool now to be able to pay for meals at some places with it but i mean, wheres the real stuff.

[Anonymous No.51025911]

>>51025220
ur a fucking moron

[Anonymous No.51025913]

>>51025172
That is an incredibly uneconomical way to get drunk, but what it tells me is I could pay hooters for a high class escort they “hired” after I get drunk for 3.50 off a few malt liquors from the corner store bullish af.

[Anonymous No.51025982]

>>51025807
What do you think is going to happen to your charts after you get flipped by Ethereum?

[Anonymous No.51026072]

>>51025694
>I've never heard of anyone getting traced using monero properly, but I don't think it's impossible.

Nothing is impossible, its just *highly* unlikely and becomes even less likely over time as TX counts and ring sizes increase and zero-KYC DEXs become the primary trading platforms, Seraphis will make trying to crack ring signatures an exercise in utter futility and they'll be ditched for something like zk-STARKs eventually.

The FUDsters here are desperately trying to convince you that the security gurus behind the DNM Bible, the supreme darknet authority on all things OPSEC-related which is now pushing for a Monero-only standard, are all incompetent halfwits who don't actually understand how unreliable Monero really is.

https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD

Its worth reminding that darknet admins/vendors aren't the only criminals adopting Monero, organized crime syndicates like 'Ndrangheta and Latin American narco cartels are as well. Pic related.

Bottom line: people with their freedom on the line are incentivized to seek out and use the most reliable privacy tech available.

[Anonymous No.51026706]

>>51025220
>every monero tx stays on the blockchain permanently.
That is a misconception, see picrel. The critical TX never touches the blockchain.

>you'd unironically get better privacy swapping some of your monero into a bitcoin lightning channel and using that for your purchases.
Over half of all LN's capacity is now controlled by a total of 5 entities (~2,260 BTC).
A network like Lightning becomes more and more centralized over time, not less (unlike L1).
Multiple-layer systems will always have a larger attack surface, thus a L2 simply cannot provide comparable privacy guarantees.

All you need to understand if you have a higher than room temperature IQ is that any attempt to scale Bitcoin on L2 in a decentralized way inevitably ends up requiring routing, a means of solving the Byzantine General's problem and tamper-proof records, which is exactly why you have a fucking blockchain in the first place.
https://youtu.be/yGrUOLsC9cw

This subject is clearly beyond your understanding. Go educate yourself before spouting foolishness.

[Anonymous No.51026768]

>>51025073
Elonmuskwhm is the goat

[Anonymous No.51027172]

>>51024929
ok but where can I buy monero without giving someone else my info? kyc and wire
>inb4 localmonero bro
the seller will get a bank transfer or something so he knows me
also the website owner and his employees
same for the glowniggers on it

this is all bank transaction with extra steps (and fees)

[Anonymous No.51027229]

>>51027172
swap on a mixer

[Anonymous No.51027317]

>>51025340
why don't you answer his simple question then anon?

[Anonymous No.51027341]

>>51027172
Tradeogree

[Anonymous No.51027471]

>>51027229
like tornadocash? lol
>>51027341
first I would need a coin to swap for xmr
privacy is a lie when you need an exchange or someone else to guarantee the p2p would not result in a loss of funds

[Anonymous No.51027494]

>>51024929
>corn syrup garbage
>ice cream
Do Americans really?

[Anonymous No.51029580]

>>51025006
Well, privacy solutions are there for a number of reasons and keeping business away from prying eyes is one of them. It's great that we now have DEXs that enable private swaps too.

[Anonymous No.51030807]

>>51027494
Obsessed

[Anonymous No.51031003]

>>51024929
:)