Coders/IT fags making $170k/starting

[Anonymous No.50727667]

Why is this allowed? How much longer will this bullshit last?

[Anonymous No.50727719]

>>50727667
Not much longer. Tech is aging and basically plateaued

[Anonymous No.50727804]

>>50727667
well, there are already ai-programs like dalle, but for code. you can just describe in words what kind of app you want, and the ai spits out code for it.

[Anonymous No.50727828]

>>50727667
>degree required
i've not giving academia $200k for a piece of paper when I already know how to program

i'll stay poor until i get rich with crypto instead

[Anonymous No.50728062]

>>50727828
>i'll stay poor until i get rich with crypto instead

Who’s going to tell him

[Anonymous No.50728086]

>>50727667
>Principal
>$184k
this is a joke

[Anonymous No.50728147]

>>50727667

It's already over.

Companies no longer give a flying fuck about whatever bs software tech sales goblins are slinging anymore because we've progressed so far this decade that there's simply no need for the majority of the workforce to have whatever the latest and greatest is.

We've reached a point where nothing in the tech space is going to make our lives substantially easier.

If anything the space is looked at now with scepticism. It's more of a head ache every fucking time we need a new update or need to learn some new software to do the exact same fucking task albeit marketed as the better way to do it.

Eat it you tech fuck heads.

COMENGETSOME!

[Anonymous No.50728173]

>>50727828
>he doesnt know

[Anonymous No.50728203]

>>50727667
I still don’t know if these wages are all one big troll or if they only exist in cali/ny where they’re equivalent to the purchasing power of like $70K max elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.50728217]

>>50728086
400k in stocks is actually better.

>don’t sell for a year
>only 15% capital gains tax

Not to mention Amazon stock is very consistent in good long-term performance

[Anonymous No.50728228]

>>50727667
>170k starting
>Seattle/Silicon Valley
making 170k in a big city is the same as making 83k in a lesser city or town

>You would need around 8,380.66$ in San Francisco, CA to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 4,100.00$ in Erie, PA (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare cost of living.

[Anonymous No.50728241]

>>50727667
you don't wanna work for Amazon for any role
their pay is high as fuck because they work them to the bone and have horrendous attrition rate, especially AWS

[Anonymous No.50728242]

>>50727667
This is salaries in san fran you fucking moron

[Anonymous No.50728244]

>>50727667
When the COL in california comes down that's when it will stop.
>2100 dollars to rent a place in the ghetto
What a shithole of a state.

[Anonymous No.50728254]

>>50728228
This is such a meme

>live frugally and not like a spoiled American retard
>can easily save and invest $100k/year
>retire in 10 years if you want with at least $3mil in the bank (compound interest + market growth + promotions over those 10 years)

[Anonymous No.50728264]

>>50728062
>he doesn't know the next 1000x

[Anonymous No.50728268]

>>50728254
Living frugally on the west coast literally means living in a shoe box and eating out of bags

[Anonymous No.50728275]

>>50727667
Tech meme companies are cutting back a lot lately. It's beginning.

[Anonymous No.50728287]

>>50728268
That’s how 99% of the world lives.

[Anonymous No.50728289]

>>50727667
It has to do with demand. Average software engineer makes like 70-90k in normal job postings but if you do programming stuff in the crypto field you can make 250k if you work for the right company with fairly minimal experience.

[Anonymous No.50728294]

>>50728254
how do you "live frugally" when the state taxes your income and poverty-tier rent in the bay area starts at $2000?

[Anonymous No.50728319]

>>50728294
Live in Seattle. Also a shithole but no income tax and you can find a better apartment for cheaper.

[Anonymous No.50728337]

>>50728287
Horrifying

[Anonymous No.50728354]

>>50728319
they will scale your pay down according to your location. companies learned how to minimize salary during the pandemic and they're very good at it. you can't win.

[Anonymous No.50728367]

>>50728228
what site did you use to get those numbers? i am curious.

[Anonymous No.50728377]

>>50728147
Based
Fuck code monkey niggers
Meanwhile tradebros stay winning, you will always need new homes built and the electricity wired up

[Anonymous No.50728427]

>>50728377
>you will always need new homes built and the electricity wired up
i.e. shit I can look-up on youtube tutorials

[Anonymous No.50728570]

>>50728377
>tradebros stay winning
>getting half the pay for ten times the work

[Anonymous No.50728710]

>>50728570
I’ve been an engineering technician and with OT it’s pretty much on par with the engineer salaries

Fwiw tech pay is 20-50hr
Engineer salary is 60-110k

[Anonymous No.50728717]

You mad bro?

[Anonymous No.50728831]

>>50728717
Nah man. I want to be you faggots. Knowing my luck the industry will be dead by the time I’m ready in a few years.

[Anonymous No.50730105]

Do you have any idea how easy it is to get into the it industry? any faggot with half a brain could enter by simply watching some video on yt and doing some free programs. this is a industry begging for a collapse, I predict in 10 years most it engineers will be jobsless due to ai replacing them. most companies already won't hire software engineers if their over 32 due to salary costs.

[Anonymous No.50730132]

>>50728710
yeah but I code for 1 hour a day and that's it

[Anonymous No.50730138]

>>50727667
Because it's extremely hard, most people that try learn 2 code will fail because they lack the conscientiousness to do it everyday. Do a few udemy tutorials won't land you a job, swimming around in tutorial hell, won't do anything either. If you're good enough to do leetcode, then you're worthy of getting a job, if not, you will likely never make it. You'll at least need a BS in computer science to land your first job.

[Anonymous No.50730248]

>>50727667
The pay is earned. 98% of people are unable to write good computer programs at a physical, neurological level.

[Anonymous No.50730312]

>>50727719
>>50727804
the best ai can do is replace jeets that copypaste web code.
we are about to enter a new tech revolution and you faggots think coders will run out of jobs?

[Anonymous No.50730325]

Most of it will be replaced by nocode and AI within 10 years

[Anonymous No.50730349]

>be euro
>study compsci
>free uni ranked top 100 worldwide
>live at my parents, no debt
>will move to america for the money
Yeah I'm thinking based. I'm basically rich in comparison to the average american college student

[Anonymous No.50730362]

>>50727804
>>50730325
Automation is reaching the point of diminishing return, because, It does not make a bad process immediately good and that there is a point where more automation has no longer any benefit.

Software complexity is increasing at an exponential rate and in this decade we will achieve the point of diminishing return. The cost of maintaining the software will be more than the cost of running the organization. This will lead to rapid abandonment of software in every kind of operation except banking and that also will be in niche activities.

For example :- Companies like amazon are built on the concept of growth on the back of technology and the people who are getting hired are at these companies are getting exponentially higher salary while the return is diminishing, eventually amazon et al will realise the cost of maintaining technology for such a huge customer base and If they cannot hold on to them, they cannot maintain the high salary and most SW employees will quit amazon.

[Anonymous No.50730409]

Unironically, no joke, no cap, should I learn to code? If I start today, could I have a six-figure job by the end of 2023?

[Anonymous No.50730438]

>>50730349
> be pajeet
> Amerishart company pays $30k per annum
> live in pajeetland, everything is cheap
> Study like crazy, complete BTech from top tech school, subsidised by govt so low cost, hence no debt.
> live with parents, Inherit big house and land
> get virgin pussy arranged for you by your relatives
> Basically top 0.5% in terms of income in your country
> Don't have to move anywhere, live in a gated community with your people, with no niggers in sight.

[Anonymous No.50730441]

>>50727667
Does your feable mind understand how intelligent you need to be a software engineer?

[Anonymous No.50730481]

>>50730132
Is this what all oldfag programmers do now? jeets and normies have really lowered the bar for me. It’s just too easy. But desu I miss the old days.
>work 1 hour per day
>make 200k per year
>boss thinks I’m working hard

[Anonymous No.50730487]

>>50730409
"learn2code" is a cashgrab meme anon, no one from those bootcamps gets hired.

[Anonymous No.50730504]

>>50730487
Sadly they do. I’ve seen it firsthand. But I think eventually this trend will die once companies realize how useless bootcamps and their graduates actually are.

[Anonymous No.50730590]

>>50727667
cope until you have enough to get out of here, as soon as I can leave I will buy a house and live isolated from the people who hurt me, I just want peace

[Anonymous No.50730604]

>>50730487
>>50730504
I know some people who took the bootcamp route and are making good money. Is it really not worth it anymore?

[Anonymous No.50730635]

>>50730481
I'm only 26 but bay area salaries are good and I'm just good at web apps, most people would take 3-8 hours

[Anonymous No.50730653]

>>50727667
Supply and demand, if out skills were as rare and usefull we would make as much, sadly I majored in law so I won't ever make that much except maybe at the end of a career after having slaved my life away for 70 hours per week

[Anonymous No.50730696]

>>50730590
I'm on my way on that with memecoins, I just need vinu to pump a little

[Anonymous No.50730870]

Import export trucker driver here.

Good luck you guys seriously… there is nothing coming from China and coding your way out of this supply chain mess is like trying to unlock wealth out of infinite money trees.


Save whatever money you have now because its a mess

[Anonymous No.50731651]

>>50727667
amazon has no choice but to pay their engineers exorbitant amounts because it’s literally the worst, most soul sucking job that exists in the technology sector. if you are mentally stable, that place will break you in under a year. it’s not even close to worth the money for how shitty your life becomes

[Anonymous No.50733358]

only reason they pay this much is to starve the shitty startups from developers and kill all the competition

now we are in recession, startups cant get any funding so all these wfh code monkeys are gonna get laid off by their pajeet managers - it already started

[Anonymous No.50733422]

>>50733358
cope and seethe nigger boi

[Anonymous No.50733440]

>>50727667
Just stop being poor and stupid, start being smart and rich, that simple.

[Anonymous No.50733777]

>>50728241
This image reversed is my fetish.

[Anonymous No.50733930]

>>50727667
Not everyone works for FAANG companies, they are the exception rather than the rule.
But in general, we need more and more developers pic related.

[Anonymous No.50733972]

>>50733930

It's hard for people to understand that a market is just a market, this is a clearly virtualized and virtualizing world that needs developers to build and maintain it

It's doubly ironic because I bet most of the whiners ITT are on a computer all day and a phone the rest of the time.

[Anonymous No.50734872]

>>50728268
It literally doesn’t. I have friends in ‘frisco working as preschool teachers and lab techs at Berkeley. If you consciously try and be frugal you can make a salary go a long way. Know a fella working for a unicorn making an absurd tech salary that saves 80+% of his salary.
Just get some roommates.

[Anonymous No.50735061]

>>50728217
it still gets taxed as income dummy, on top of capital gains tax when you sell it

[Anonymous No.50735526]

>>50727804
lmao

[Anonymous No.50736026]

>>50730409
checkout the cs50 harvard on youtube or on edx. Great intro to programming

[Anonymous No.50736224]

>>50728217
retard alert

[Anonymous No.50736306]

>>50728147
i work in accounting and I've seen so many SaaS codenigger scams that promise to """"make things more efficient"""" when in reality it makes everything worse due to poor design, lack of flexibility, overall retarded premise, etc.

codeniggers get the rope.

[Anonymous No.50736340]

>>50727804
> you can just describe in words what kind of app you want, and the ai spits out code for it.
Nigga replace ai with compiler and that’s literally the definition of coding.

[Anonymous No.50736418]

>>50733930
>muh data
i just scratched my balls. is that data something that requires a codenigger to wrangle? meaningless data, meaningless conclusion.

[Anonymous No.50736455]

>>50736026
Thanks bro. I've seen some lectures and I enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.50736477]

>>50727667
My starting pay is higher
.t stanford masters grad working as a SDE at a small company.

>>50727804
gr8 b8 m8

[Anonymous No.50736486]

>>50727667
Stop being a retarded faggot and learn to code. You fucking philistine

[Anonymous No.50736806]

>>50736455
if you want to reach your 2023 target, finish them this week

[Anonymous No.50736859]

>>50727804
are coderfaggots really dumb enough to code their own replacement? like the boomerfaggots who sit quietly and train their pajeet H1B replacements for every other field of labor?

[Anonymous No.50737101]

>>50733930
source?

[Anonymous No.50737166]

>>50728147
>If anything the space is looked at now with scepticism. It's more of a head ache every fucking time we need a new update or need to learn some new software to do the exact same fucking task albeit marketed as the better way to do it.
profoundly true and unspeakably based.

[Anonymous No.50737185]

>>50735061
How? That is some advanced kikery

[Anonymous No.50737219]

>>50727667
Im at the Senior Lead level with a major bank, i do analytics, shit like SQL and Tableau, and my base pay is $135,000 a year, and I get a 20% bonus. I could probably go somewhere else and make more money, but I'm 100% remote for the past 5 years and shit is pretty comfy.

[Anonymous No.50737276]

>>50737219
At a certain point the money doesn't really outweigh the comfy factor, good on you for knowing where the line is

[Anonymous No.50737323]

>>50737276
Yeah, im also 100% disabled veteran so after taxes I pull in about 12,000 a month. And I live in Texas which isn't very expensive relative to some other places.

[Anonymous No.50737342]

>>50737323
I didn't ask, friendo.

[Anonymous No.50737371]

>>50737342
uhhhhhh.....ok? Well I fucking told you, you little faggot.

[Anonymous No.50737392]

>>50737371
Listen, don't reply to me further. You're setting off my thread watcher.

[Anonymous No.50737418]

>>50737323
Did you use the GI bill to get a CS degree, or did they teach you that in the military?

[Andrew No.50737424]

>>50736418
It all goes to your personal prism database
Prism is a database of databases. Mere lookup of your personality is pulling out everything ever posted associated to your perosn.
Glowniggers literally murder people based on that meta data.

Pseudonym Andrew has now been added to my personal database as I used it online to post. its in the file called pseudonyms.xml along with thousands other files about me.

[Anonymous No.50737431]

>be me
>degress in CS and CSe
>understand actual computing
>fortune 10
>in last year they have top down adopted "agile"
>try and apply it to everything
>fail to understand anything about the method or how to apply
>spew nonsense like they came up with it themselves that they have zero understanding of
the company makes so much money that it doesn't matter that literal retards and cronies are in charge, totally bazaar to watch, it is satire executed as though it were serious.

[Anonymous No.50737438]

>>50727667
>Why is this allowed?
why would it be disallowed? by whom?

[Anonymous No.50737483]

coding jobs are over-saturated

i feel bad for people getting STEM degrees right now because most wont be able to get a good job

[Anonymous No.50737541]

>>50728217
Amazon doesn't give you stock, they give you Restricted Stock Units. RSUs vest according to a yearly schedule and sometimes based on how you perform. When vested, they're treated as income. The company withholds 22% but you'll get hit by the IRS and whatever state you live in. So, either you sell as soon as they vest so that you get some money, at least enough to cover the tax bill, or you hold and pray. Of course, when you term, any unvested RSUs that you have go bye bye. RSUs are a good way for companies to make it seem like your compensation package is great, even though they're actually fucking you over. It's why people call them golden handcuffs.

[Anonymous No.50737552]

>>50730409
>>50730487
>"learn2code" is a cashgrab meme
No one said "go to a bootcamp"
You can learn on your own for free. There are so many resources out there. It has never been easier to learn a new skill for $0 (if you have the patience and discipline)

[Anonymous No.50737603]

>>50737483
>STEM degrees
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.50737624]

>>50737603
agreed, they are worthless but normies love them and think they can get a good job with one without having a portfolio

[Anonymous No.50737641]

Do a lot of people on here think that $170/yr wage is a lot of money? It's just a starting salary, what the heck do some of you do if you haven't made that kind of basic salary in life? Even uneducated sales people these days from the south pull in over 200k after commission.

[Anonymous No.50737688]

>>50727828
You absolutely don't need a degree to be successful as a coder wtf are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.50737700]

[Anonymous No.50737704]

>>50730362
>cost of maintaining the software will be more than the cost of running the organization. This will lead to rapid abandonment of software in every kind of operation except banking and that also will be in niche activities.
Yes grandpa people will stop using that "newfangled soft-wear" any day now...

[Anonymous No.50737762]

>>50736859
If you give 100k for someone under the condition that this person will die next week, how many people do you think would sign up?

[Anonymous No.50737798]

>>50730362
>The cost of maintaining the software will be more than the cost of running the organization.
Wrong, tech gets cheaper by the year
>gamer pcs went from 6gb to 32gb in a decade

[Anonymous No.50737831]

>>50728377
cope. also get over here i need you to fix my garage you tradenigging faggot, chop chop

[Anonymous No.50737855]

>>50737624
>think they can get a good job with one without having a portfolio
I've never had a portfolio. My GitHub is mostly empty, with minor pull requests to a few projects.
t. 200k TC, high school diploma (C student)

[Anonymous No.50737870]

>>50737700
>absolutely SEETHING

[Anonymous No.50737875]

>>50737855
i call bullshit friend
every job requires one
every single one

[Anonymous No.50737877]

>>50737219
what kind of degree or certificate do you need for that? some database thing? is it really something you need training for or can the average intelligent anon figure it out in a week without any formal schooling if the barrier to job entry wasnt a degree/certification

[Anonymous No.50737955]

>>50733777
Praise KeK!

[Anonymous No.50738010]

>>50737875
>every job requires one
Incorrect. Most senior devs don't even maintain (or have) a public GH account because... they're busy working on real projects, which are almost certainly proprietary. "Portfolios" are for designers/artists and interns trying to get their first job.
https://www.benfrederickson.com/github-wont-help-with-hiring/
>friend
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.50738051]

>>50738010
You missed the point anon.

[Anonymous No.50738220]

>>50736418
>muh data
It's just an indicator of how much the modern way of life and economy are reliant on IT. It's driving everything. It's not going to stop either. Many companies are only just now collecting data because they suddenly realized the importance and haven't even begun to analyze it yet. Data is just one driver. Developers create apps which basically solve problems or achieve business goals. Then you have data scientists and engineers, and also the analytics side.

>>50737101
>source?
Here ya go, great reads on IT trends and where we are headed.
https://tylerjewell.substack.com/

[Anonymous No.50738359]

>>50737392
ok how does that work

[Anonymous No.50738415]

I got a shitty degree in finance and i dont have a job im 30 its officially over for me

[Anonymous No.50738507]

>>50738051
What was your point?

[Anonymous No.50738526]

>>50738220
>great reads on IT trends and where we are headed
IT is not the same as software development, data science, etc. Totally different job.

[Anonymous No.50738547]

>>50737418
I learned in the Air Force. I dont even have a degree. Good thing about joining the military in a technical field is that you get training and experience all at the same time. And these companies love to hire vets.

[Anonymous No.50738567]

>>50737641
You're either trolling or delusional pal. Most people go their whole lives and never sniff 170k a year.

[Anonymous No.50738577]

>>50728228
Okay but why the fuck would I want to live in Erie
>t. PITTSBVRGHER

[Anonymous No.50738579]

>>50738547

The vet thing is weird. My brother in law got a really basic IT associate's degree at community college, but is a Marine Sergeant. He's waltzed from high paid networking engineer job to high paid job and most recently picked up a $160k wfh job.

And I'm like why did I waste 4 years for an expensive state school bachelor's in CS to be making $120k right now? Idk

[Anonymous No.50738597]

>>50737219
>>50737323
>>50737371
I'm trying to teach myself SQL and PowerBI right now, I've got a 4 year social science degree, can I make it into a comfy wfh job with enough good looking projects listed on my resume?

[Anonymous No.50738615]

>>50737877
Can you create 500 line SQL queries with multiple joins and nested structures? Can you create Tableau dashboards? Its definitely not something you can just pick up over a week, or even a year. You could probably get an entry level slot after a bootcamp or something. There are 6 levels in my company, and Im at level 5...and I have 20 years of experience in IT.

[Anonymous No.50738653]

It's just amazon and a few other elite techs.

I'm a Developer 2 doing Virtual Reality, with 7 years exp and 4 years exp in my niche. Salary is $85k.

[Anonymous No.50738662]

>>50738597
How long have you been working on it?

[Anonymous No.50738669]

>>50738579
Yeah, well for 1, being a vet, and especially a disabled vet, checks the "muh diversity" boxes for these companies. Its pretty easy to land a good job. Last year I nearly made it on with Google. I made it thru the final rounds of interviews, and they offered me a position, but I would have had to relocate to Austin...and I was under the impression it was a remote job, so I decided to stay where I am for the time being.

[Anonymous No.50738684]

>>50738653
You are underpaid my guy, I say this in all sincerity

[Anonymous No.50738687]

>>50738597
Well if you keep working on that path, you could probably get a job in my field one day.

[Anonymous No.50738727]

>>50738567
where in kentucky?

[Anonymous No.50738778]

>>50728086
Anecdotally, this is pretty standard for most tech companies. Even for NYC or the Bay area it's uncommon to get past 200k purely on base salary, most of the comp is in RSUs. I think Netflix is a notable exception in that they can choose the percentage of their pay to receive in cash or RSUs (so some people get 400k+ in salary).

[Anonymous No.50738863]

>>50738727
Literally everywhere in the country, hell the world, outside of Silicon Valley.

[Anonymous No.50738883]

>>50730487
>no one from those bootcamps gets hired
if you check off a diversity box you do

[Anonymous No.50738904]

>>50738684
No, I'm not. I'm paid what I'm worth. I've applied at dozens of other companies and they don't hire.

I am going to move to Project Owner soon though and go for the 95k

[Anonymous No.50738957]

>>50728241

[Anonymous No.50738959]

>>50738904
You say you have 7 years of experience, so you're in what, your mid-late 20's? Thats not a bad salary for that age, if I am correct. Just keep switching jobs and moving up the ladder every few years, and you will be making good money by the time you're 35 or 40.

[Anonymous No.50739044]

>>50738904
Hey man, good luck to you.

[Anonymous No.50739542]

>>50730870
>There is nothing coming from China
Lies. There is infinite junk from China here everyday. Shortage my ass.
>T. Warehouse wagie at Amazon unironically
>Bizonacci memes are kind of true
>Like being Walmart anon of biz

[Anonymous No.50739698]

>>50728228
based Erie poster. gonna hit the streams later

[Anonymous No.50739764]

ITT: seething nocoders

[Anonymous No.50739794]

>>50728242
How do you know that? Amazon is hq'ed in washington. They probably have satellite offices tho.

[Anonymous No.50739798]

>>50738526
I know but they are related.

[Anonymous No.50739808]

>>50727828
Either do CLEPs or stop being fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.50740126]

>>50728254
You would only have 1.7 million after 10 years even if you could save $100k per year.

[Anonymous No.50740268]

>>50737641
You're a troll or an idiot. Average salary in the US is 53.5K https://www.jobted.com/salary Even in Cali it's only 66.2K https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-Average-Salary-by-State

[Anonymous No.50740400]

>>50735061
>>50728217
>>50737541
See things like this is why anyone with at least 70 IQ who looks at taxation rules in detail thinks those are completely retarded and peak Kikery.

>IRS wants to tax literally anything given to you, even assets, as income
>Asset valuations are only theoretical and highly dependent on liquidity and an arbitrary snapshot date where they consider it "your income"
>Doesn't matter if it makes sense, the IRS wants their cut anyways
>If the IRS had it their way, they'd also be taxing your unrealized gains (which are doubly-theoretical)

Here's an example to demonstrate this retardery. Someone can make a shitcoin and mint 1million tokens. They can then take 0.1% of the supply and stick it in an LP on a DEX. Then they can trivially pump the price on extremely low liquidity. At this point, they can send 500k tokens to someone else's wallet address against their will just to fuck with them.
Congrats, the IRS would like to tax the $500k worth of shitcoins sent to you as income.

[Anonymous No.50740433]

>>50727667
It's actually much higher than this. This doesn't include health insurance, other forms of compensation, etc... It's closer to 300K for entry-level and 500-600K for med-level engineers at FAANG.

[Anonymous No.50740454]

>>50738662
>>50738615
>>50738687
Roughly a month so far, I can impress normies with simple <50 line queries but that's about it right now. I'm working through a textbook and then taking some cert courses if I want to stick with it.

[Anonymous No.50740469]

>>50727719
been in it 20 years, this is the most crazy mkt i've seen.

[Anonymous No.50740497]

>>50740469
Crazy good or crazy bad?

[Anonymous No.50740512]

>>50737541
also they are back-weighted.
so if you get offered 200k over 3 years, with amazon it's 5% first year, then 10-15%, then third year the rest.
so if you want to leave after 2 b/c you are sick of bezos riding you, you lose 150k or whatever

[Anonymous No.50740544]

>>50740497

Tight from my perspective. We've had a hard time finding anyone decent to hire for a well paying remote SWE gig on my team.

[Anonymous No.50740611]

>>50740544
Do you think it's just junior devs are too dumb to fill that role? How many years of experience are you looking for for this position? I keep reading about how oversaturated the market is, then you hear about companies literally begging people to take a job.

[Anonymous No.50740665]

>>50740544
This is great for people who are set on continually improving themselves. Such candidates find it easy to get hired.

[Anonymous No.50740708]

>>50738904
You're right. It really depends on where you live and who you are employed by. Only a few of these companies like the FANG companies pay so much. And the only reason the numbers are so high is because of the value of stock options during a bull market. Come back next year during the bear and a lot of those stock options will be underwater.
I'm making 125K in Minnesota with 20years of experience.

[Anonymous No.50740725]

>>50740611

We interviewed 3 juniors who were utterly retarded, then upped the position to senior. Got a trickle of resumes and have ended up taking a guy with a pretty great work history but was similarly terrible at actually interviewing and communication.

If you're simultaneously committed to growing as an engineer and can talk like a normal human being this is an incredibly easy industry to navigate.

[Anonymous No.50740761]

>>50740725
I'm this retard >>50730409
Any advice?

[Anonymous No.50740818]

>>50740433
Health insurance is only about 10K. Yeah they are also paying half your fica which is hidden (which is true for all employers), your unemployment insurance and your disability insurance (which is low for office workers). Those extra costs don't end up anywhere close to adding up to 300k.

[Anonymous No.50740851]

>>50740725
>can talk like a normal human being
That's honestly too much to ask from an autist.

[Anonymous No.50740972]

>>50740725
>and can talk like a normal human being
just have to be able to fake it for a bit and learn when to keep your mouth shut and let the other person do the talking. spergs can make it, you just gotta prep for interviews more and get experience doing them. you'll fuck up the first half dozen but learn from it
t. 28yo virgin in corpo world in senior position

[Anonymous No.50741054]

>>50740611
>how oversaturated the market is
Look at it this way, the market is saturated with new entrants who maybe did an online course or a bootcamp. All vying for junior positions. That is the starting point. Good news is that almost anyone can pivot into IT this way. Of course, it is hard to get a foot in the door into that first position.
But human beings are fickle and give up quickly. Anyone who keeps improving past this point can make a big career out of it.
Here is the other amazing thing about "coding" or I prefer to call it "development". It is so much more accessible now due to easier languages (python especially but increasingly others) and open source libraries that anyone can do it with a few hours of YouTube videos or less. It's actually a worthwhile skill even for non-IT/non-coders to have. In much the same way that 20 years ago it was good to know how to use Excel.
25% of the market is IT jobs. And now kids are learning how to code. Most will not pursue it of course, but it's a great skill to have and easy to pick up the basics.

[Anonymous No.50741184]

>>50740544
>>50740725
Can confirm. I switched jobs at the beginning of this year.

I'm not even a highly skilled SWE, but I have work history and can talk well in interviews.
I found it incredibly easy compared to my last job search a few years ago.
Every opening was over 6 figs.
Ended up with 3 companies basically fighting over me.
The winning one gave me full remote flexibility + a juicy sign on bonus.

It was implied by recruiters that they're basically desperate to find SWEs who aren't complete dogshit, and they were having a lot of trouble even with that.

[Anonymous No.50741223]

>>50741184
How many YOE do you have?

[Anonymous No.50741251]

I only make 140k and I've been a programoor for five years

[Anonymous No.50741284]

>>50741184
At the time of interviewing it was 2.5yrs of professional. And I also worked in a research lab in Uni for a couple years making software.

[Anonymous No.50741323]

>>50741251
You have to work for a FAANG company to get meme SWE money

[Anonymous No.50742094]

>>50741251
>only $140k
some of you are spoiled

[Anonymous No.50742287]

>>50739798
Not at all.

[Anonymous No.50742436]

>>50740611
I recently interviewed two SC grads who have a year of experience each and neither of them could fully complete some extremely simple tasks which were easier than FizzBuzz. I was kinda shocked.
I have no idea what they're being taught for 4 years in college but it isn't how to actually write software.

[Anonymous No.50742486]

>>50742287
>Not at all.
Whatever bro, keep being argumentative for no reason at all.
IT, software dev, data science, I know the differences. If you don't, that's your problem bro.

[Anonymous No.50742642]

>>50742486
>architects are the same as janitors
Are you an actual Boomer?
The only thing IT and software development have in common is that they involve computers.

[Anonymous No.50742644]

Take the law pill. Boomer partners are retiring and there will be a power vacuum meanwhile tech is becoming increasingly saturated.
>all cash comp
>no faggy RSU’s that take 4 years to fully vest
>guaranteed raise each year as an associate from year 1 to year 8
>$225k total comp year 1, $530k total comp year 8
>average big law partner compensation is 1.39M
>partner track while hard is still way easier to reach than hitting 7 figs in tech without plateauing at an L-whatever
>can always move in house if you burn out and have easy ass $200k job with barely any work
>firms will give you $500k just to lateral to a place like Dallas, TX
>plenty of comfy areas in BigLaw like patent law that pay the same but are more relaxed than M&A
Disagree with me all you want, 4chan is full of tech fags and heavily biased against anything outside of the realm.
I know so many tech fags that plateau and they can never increase their earnings. RSU’s have done well in the bull market let’s see what happens to you TC as stock prices fall.

[Anonymous No.50743156]

>>50742642
>The only thing IT and software development have in common is that they involve computers.

how aren't they the same thing? When I'm required to learn Python for aws, and sql databases

[Anonymous No.50743199]

>>50742644
>talking about making partner at a professional services firm, let alone big law
>BRO JUST WAGESLAVE 70 HOURS A WEEK FOR 15 YEARS FOR THE 1% CHANCE OF MAKING PARTNER LMAO
lmao. i say this as someone who quit a faggy big 4 accounting firm because the hours were unbearably gay.

[Anonymous No.50743202]

>>50743156
IT is usually most around scripting and managing hardware/software systems
Software development is around developing software

[Anonymous No.50743377]

>>50743156
>how aren't they the same thing? When I'm required to learn English and basic math

[Anonymous No.50743474]

>>50742644
The law meme died 10 years ago

[Anonymous No.50744484]

>>50727667
None of that is true at all. Halve the numbers and you might begin to earn that after 8 years.

[Anonymous No.50744577]

>>50743199
Odds are still higher making 7 figs in law than they are making 7 figs in tech. Both are unlikely but not impossible

[Anonymous No.50745012]

>>50727667
Nigga they are forced to work in san fran or commiefornia. Rent there makes 170k a year 50k a year. Add in the fact they are obsolete in a few years and move out, it's not 170k for a long term position.

[Anonymous No.50746054]

>>50744577
Getting that big law job often involves five to six figures of debt to work a shit job that will most likely spit you out after a couple years. And don't give me that lateral meme. You're surely falling for the golden handcuffs if you rely on big law.

[Anonymous No.50746286]

>>50737700
This only happens on Blind. It's full of Indians who have zero personality and constantly whining about how the Bay Area dating pool is full of Indian males. I've seen some of these fuckers include their signing bonus as their TC because "it's true for the first year!" The only number that matters is your base compensation because everything else can be financially engineered away from you.

[Anonymous No.50746557]

>>50730312
>new tech revolution
Which is?

[Anonymous No.50747059]

>>50746557
Crypto3(.0)

[Anonymous No.50747069]

>>50746286
They can take away your base salary by firing you. It's fake money.

[Anonymous No.50747105]

Is levels.fyi trustworthy, or can anyone say they got a $250k salary after a year of experience?

[Anonymous No.50747132]

>>50727828
If you are truly talented at coding, you can get a job without a degree easily. There are other ways to cheat the system, but I'm not helping your smug ass

[Anonymous No.50747177]

>>50727667
that absolutely does not happen. also i suspect that AWS employees are subject to the same treatment as amazon warehouse slaves so it's not even worth the money. i've ignored so many AWS recruiter emails from unsolicited filthy pajeets

[Anonymous No.50747199]

>>50730312
based

>>50747059
>accidentally subscribed to web3 jobs mailing list
>90% of listings are for marketing hypemen
nope

[Anonymous No.50747456]

>>50730248
>at a physical, neurological level
Wrong. The qualities of experience are irreducible to the observable parameters of physical arrangements. In other words the brain does not give rise to the mind.
Read Chalmers.

[Anonymous No.50747894]

>>50727667
What op 2 languages do these coders learn? Asking for a future bizlet.

[Anonymous No.50747958]

>>50738684
Maybe he lives in flyover ville, population 585

[Anonymous No.50747991]

>>50738653
>>50747958
he's underpaid. i make 110k maintaining a really shitty legacy php web app

[Anonymous No.50748205]

>>50743202
You'll sometimes have software engineering/development happening under a company's IT umbrella.

I work in "IT" but my team develop full stack cloud deployed custom web applications which solve business needs that purchased software doesn't exactly exist for

[Anonymous No.50748395]

>>50747105
they provide "wage negotiation" services. you decide whether having higher wages posted makes them look good or not.

[Anonymous No.50748415]

>>50727828
Having a degree is only useful for landing that first job. Once you have the experience you don't need a degree at all.

>t.codefag who lied about having a bachelors for his first job then didn't have to lie after getting that experience.

[Anonymous No.50748416]

>>50736859
No they are writing code that will replace no talent webdevs that get paid 80k p/y to put buttons on a webpage.

[Anonymous No.50748464]

>>50728268
Get roommates and don't eat out everyday and buy useless crap. If your a single man it's really fucking easy. If you have a gf or wife get ready to waste your money.

[Anonymous No.50748510]

>>50727667
So much ignorance in this thread. Yeah, all the fucking Social Media Car Themostat Refrigerator apps are stupid but all sorts of energy, manufacturing, medical, and governmental organizations require large computer networks and processing. Much of the workforce doesn't need the "latest and greatest." They're getting it right now but they're also getting replaced by it and I'm watching it happen first hand

[Anonymous No.50748711]

>>50727828
Godspeed amigo

[Anonymous No.50748848]

>>50739764

[Anonymous No.50749016]

>>50743202
IT is a broad umbrella term for the entire technology space.
Development is one of many sections within IT. You also have Infrastructure, DevOps, UX, Testing, Data engineering, DBAs (yes they still exist) and many other sections of IT including all the Agile (and related) roles like scrum master, product owner, product manager.
You seem to think that "IT" means Infrastructure which is incorrect. "IT" is an umbrella term for an industry or department, like "Legal" or "Finance". Sure, some companies may prefer to align developers and DevOps and others by functional group rather than as one department but that's a matter of choice, it doesn't change the basic definition.

[Anonymous No.50749049]

>>50748464
you're wasting your breath, people who can live frugally already do it, everyone else is retarded. Like imagine having to teach someone how to not spend money, it was already over for them before it ever began.

[Anonymous No.50749089]

>>50748415
Did you just teach yourself?

[Anonymous No.50749167]

>>50730362
>Software complexity is increasing at an exponential rate and in this decade we will achieve the point of diminishing return. The cost of maintaining the software will be more than the cost of running the organization. This will lead to rapid abandonment of software in every kind of operation except banking and that also will be in niche activities.

I wonder about this, it is true software complexity is truly daunting and I pity any fool going into the field.

Yet, it may be that rather than maintaining old software, they just scrap it and write a new pkg from new app libs.

Microsoft seems to be doing this, like they ditch entire platforms and come up with some new shit with no explanation. I wonder what is going on behind the scenes.

Would like to read some analysis on current state of real world software engineering in the modern environment of insane complexity.

[Anonymous No.50749630]

>>50727804
maybe in 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.50749726]

>>50749167
Rewrites from scratch are exceedingly rare and typically wind up borrowing some shit from the previous version, anyway. It's almost never a worthwhile venture. One of the teams I work with at my company is in the middle of a rewrite of the company's legacy application, which some larger customers are still using, even though the application runs on fucking Silverlight. We got to 95% of the functionality within months, and have been grinding away on the last 5% for the better part of a year, and the pace is slowing with every sprint. Unfortunately we need to be at 100% or damn near to start moving customers over. This may never happen.

It would have been far better for us to simply sunset the legacy product, and tell customers that they would have to move to our newer application or fuck off. Instead, we're going to be maintaining a kludgy new version of a legacy application that we no longer sell. I haven't seen the numbers but I suspect that development will cost us more than it is worth just in real costs, and god knows how much in opportunity costs, as doing this drastically slowed the pace of improving the product that we actually sell to new customers.

As for Microsoft, they never truly ditch platforms. They deprecate old platforms, move to new ones, but underneath there's a lot of the same old shit. For instance, they're moving from Azure DevOps to Github, but when you look at Github Actions, it's Team Foundation Server underneath. Half of Office365 is built on top of Sharepoint. .net core was supposed to be a clean break from .net framework, but shit like WCF is sneaking back in, and future versions of .net standard or whatever are going to be .net core and framework squished together. In the grim darkness of the far future, the God Emperor's throne still runs on VB6, I'm sure.

Fiscal debt is temporary, technical debt is forever.

[Anonymous No.50749935]

>>50738615
so what training or certs do you need?

[Anonymous No.50750240]

>>50727667
That's just the top jobs in america. In Europe programmers make like 40k.

[Anonymous No.50751916]

Tech is about to go bust. High interest rate and recession is reducing vc money causing startups to fall as they run out of money and they will fall like domino because many startup is buying each other products to pump up numbers. Can't wait to see startup bubble pop.

[Anonymous No.50753548]

>>50727667
Until normal fags are smart enough to take their jobs. As a coder myself. Good luck....

[Anonymous No.50753574]

>>50727667
Feels good to work for a tech company that offers services to backbone internet providers.

Say what you will about tech but the world needs the internet, shit ain't going away.

[Anonymous No.50753606]

>>50749726
>technical debt is forever
Kek, this anon gets it. Rewrites are for fags that can't do basic math, which is 90% of PMs and POs

[Anonymous No.50753618]

>>50728377
kek biggest cope ever, have fun having your whole body destroyed in your 40's while I'm already retired as a millionaire in mi 30's just by working overpaid tech jobs doing nothing

[Anonymous No.50754389]

>>50730409
everytime you retards say this you never give an end goal

question should be where would YOU want to fit in society with programming

[Anonymous No.50754611]

>>50730362
No. Data processing is increasing. Overall programs are not larger. 90% of linux is unused garbage.

[Anonymous No.50754631]

>>50730441
Not that smart. They have nothing on the real movers of civilization: physics, chemistry,

[Anonymous No.50754649]

>>50728377
No. Basalt reinforced homed can last 1000 years.

[Anonymous No.50755409]

>>50730409
Honestly bro my friend is not that smart but he can work hard. He doesn’t even have a college degree. It took him about a year to go from knowing nothing to getting a $120k SWE job. He was a neet and worked 3-5 hours every day on coding. He also lied on his resume. If he can do it you probably can too.

[Anonymous No.50755578]

>>50741054
>new entrants who maybe did an online course or a bootcamp
hold on, is that really all you need?
what does a junior dev actually do?
what kind of interview questions might come up here?
it doesn't seem to me like you would have a very deep understanding of how to do much at all if you had just done an online course or bootcamp. are these people getting jobs?

[Anonymous No.50756091]

>>50755578
Yes my friend got one after self study for a year. He did a bootcamp but it was a scam and he regrets wasting the money. You literally just have to grind 1000 hours to learn coding, lie on your resume, and then do 10-20 interviews and I can guarantee this formula will get you hired

[Anonymous No.50756140]

>>50756091
ok. alhamdullilah my friend.

[Anonymous No.50758840]

bump

[Anonymous No.50758856]

>>50727667
You have to actually be good to make it into Amazon.

[Anonymous No.50758951]

>>50755578
software engineer here

>it doesn't seem to me like you would have a very deep understanding of how to do much at all if you had just done an online course or bootcamp. are these people getting jobs?
junior devs typically aren't expected to know much. CS fundamentals and deep system design knowledge do matter, but only around the senior level.

[Anonymous No.50759300]

Unironically how do I get good at algorithms? I tried doing leetcode but I quickly realized how shit I am at data structures / algorithms so I need to brush up

[Anonymous No.50759428]

>>50759300
if you have the time, i'd suggest grabbing a textbook for an intro-level algorithms class. /g/ would recommend you CLRS, i used Dasgupta in college. both are great. if you're in a time crunch and need a refresher on algorithms instead of learning them for the first time and have money to spare, get algoexpert. but if you're learning algos for the first time definitely use a textbook.

[Anonymous No.50759576]

>>50737431
>Bazaar
Lol

[Anonymous No.50759587]

>>50727804
Executives are too braindead to even explain what they want. AI will turn software engineers into prompt engineers, because they will be the people that will know the best what to say to generate applications, but instead of code they will use natural language.

And not only will prompt engineers be paid more, they will also work even less than your average software engineer.

[Anonymous No.50759594]

Reading this thread made me realise how much of a retard my dad is in terms of moneymaking
He's been a SWE for literally 20 years and has had some projects for big German companies, yet he refuses to even to team lead in his small software company. He could probably be making 200k easily if he worked in the US

[Anonymous No.50759667]

>>50727667
What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.50759723]

Graduated CS
Year 1 - 3 : 65k -> 75k
I was pure garbage at programming.
Year 4 :- neet year studying
Get new job after neet break
Year 5 : - 85k
Did 6 months switched jobs
Year 5.5 :- 100k
Year 6: - 110k
Year 7 :- 120k
Switched job 6 months ago
Year 8 - 160 k
Plan on taking a break this year and come back 200k. Software engineering has been the best career decision I have ever made

[Anonymous No.50759750]

>>50759723
Did you learn anything in those first three years? Were you just a codemonkey?

[Anonymous No.50759780]

>>50759750
>>50759750
I learned about how to navigate the corporate ladder. But I was essentially a code monkey. I smoked a lot of weed during this time.

[Anonymous No.50759808]

>>50759780
Any advice for someone just getting started?

[Anonymous No.50759809]

>>50759723
nice job anon. i have 4 years experience out of college.
>year 1-2: 85k
>year 3: new job, 120k
>year 4: new job, 185k

yeah it's absolutely a great career, but only if you legitimately enjoy programming. so many of my colleagues left the industry over the years and went into data analytics or project management because they didn't want to write software anymore.

>tfw started programming when i was in high school because i enjoyed it and knew then that i wanted to be a programmer when i grew up
>back then 60k was considered an amazing salary for a programmer but i didn't care because i loved it
>now salaries have become extremely good and i still love what i do

feeling blessed tbqh

[Anonymous No.50759886]

>>50728254

HCOL areas are best for building wealth, there’s a reason they are HCOL. Ruralfags will eternally seethe and think their 50k a year job in bumfuck land is “just as good” as a 200k a year city job. They don’t realize that living cost:salary ratio is never a 1:1 comparison unless you live paycheck to paycheck.

Ex:

>make 50k/spend 40k, you save 10k a year
>move to an area 3x as expensive
>now you make 150k/spend 120k, you save 30k a year

This doesn’t even take into account that lots of things, such as vehicles and smartphones, don’t get any cheaper just because you live in a LCOL area

[Anonymous No.50759898]

>>50759587
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Most blockchain systems will be built through monopolized automation in the future. Code isn't even subjective to personal style like art/music/writing is so the software engineers of today walked into a death trap because as soon as AI becomes equal to them (or beats them) in the chess of computation they will have nothing to offer to their hirers, their sole audience. You can't even market damn lines of code to become a digital influencer either lol.

Coding is the boomer of professions.
>lots of coders become rich and needed In market boom
>they get paid to develop AIs and automate their tasks to an increasing degree
>entirety of society is fucked, old coders who retired in time are the only ones with purchasing power in decentralized
Just who will escape from automation?

[Anonymous No.50759927]

>>50759808
You have to take learning into your own hand. Also take any dog shit job that comes your way starting off. Just remember all the shit you deal with is transient.

>>50759809
Congrats Anon!
You can def tell who genuinely likes programming vs who does it purely for the cash money.

[Anonymous No.50759942]

>>50742094
I live in a glorified tent and can't afford to build a house

[Anonymous No.50759968]

>>50759809
damn, I gotta start sending my resume around again

[Anonymous No.50759987]

>>50759809

Same here, was a programmer autist in HS and just wanted to make video games. Expected to make 50-60k starting and maybe work my way up to 100k eventually. Now am 5 yoe making 300k

[Anonymous No.50760123]

>>50759723
>>50759809
What do you think of the doomer posts about the future of the software engineering profession? eg >>50759898

[Anonymous No.50760259]

>>50760123
It def won't end, but every coder will be forced to adapt to the streamlined AI tools and use whatever preexisting knowledge they have to proofcheck it.

[Anonymous No.50760272]

>>50760123
People overestimate technology in the short run
People underestimate technology in the long run.
By the time automation is in full swing. I hope to be retired in Thailand.

[Anonymous No.50760278]

>>50758951
so like, what do they actually do?

[Anonymous No.50760437]

>>50760272
yeah this absolutely. i don't think AI is the necessarily the solution, but i do feel that eventually no-code solutions will phase out the need for 90% of programmers out there. a lot of applications built today have similar goals and structures.

e.g. customer data goes in the database, login/authentication/2-factor, load balancing in predictable spots, caching in other predictable spots, CICD integration, log storage, weekly reports generated for BI people, etc.

i feel that eventually we will have no-code solutions that will automatically build and manage a lot of this infrastructure, and you'd only need a small team to maintain it and add new business logic as necessary instead of keeping programmers on the payroll for separate moving parts that are already "solved problems".

in the future, i think that the industry would only need a small amount of "maintenance" engineers, and a small amount of very sharp "research" engineers who will conduct actual CS research and improve the state-of-the-art. but that's a long, long way away from proof-of-concept let alone industry adoption. i give myself a good 15-20 years of status quo before
i have to worry about my job being automated away.

>>50760278
learn about particular sections of the codebase and work towards becoming experts in those very narrow, specific parts of code by asking questions, sitting in on architecture/design meetings, and shadowing more senior engineers. they start by taking on basic bugfixes and small features to learn how the company operates and eventually take on larger tasks by themselves and slowly grow into the role of a real developer.

[Anonymous No.50760649]

>>50760123

People were dropping black pills about Indian programmers 25 years ago, same shit

[Anonymous No.50760946]

>>50738615
>Can you create 500 line SQL queries with multiple joins and nested structures?
I did some SQL in uni this winter and we just kept on the basic level with queries.
I thought there was nothing more than just being able to search and filter?

[Anonymous No.50760952]

>>50737185
He's correct. RSUs are taxed as income. Usually you just get x% of the shares that aren't owed to USG. If you hold and sell at a price higher than the price at which they vested, you pay cap gainz on the difference.

[Anonymous No.50761018]

>>50760946
it's all an extension of searching and filtering

[Anonymous No.50761020]

>>50756091
>lie on your resume
About past experience or certifications? How come no one checks that?

[Anonymous No.50761023]

>>50740512
Amazon supposedly makes up for this with higher 1/2 year cash bonuses. The remaining fagmen don't do this to my knowledge.

[Anonymous No.50761049]

>>50761018
I don't get what's hard about it it's the thing. But I've never even took a look at those crazy bank datasets so

[Anonymous No.50761099]

>>50761049
It's all about efficiency with database operations
if your query takes too long it's useless

[Anonymous No.50761116]

>>50761049
A lot of it comes down to design. The more poorly designed a database is, or the more complicated your business logic, the harder it becomes to get the data you want.

[Anonymous No.50761134]

I'm currently in the Air Force and am a fiber optic cable technician. I'll be getting out in March 2024 with a "Top Secret" clearance. How can I combine this with IT to make the big bux? Cable is cool but it can be physically demanding. I don't know shit about computers, but I would learn if it means I can live comfortably without a stay at home wife

[Anonymous No.50761177]

>>50761134
maybe you could leverage your fiber-optic knowledge to get an entry level network administrator position at a defense contractor?
those firms are always in need of people with clearance.

[Anonymous No.50762115]

>>50754631
meanwhile, physicists and chemist get paid 42k/year

[Anonymous No.50762682]

>>50730635
It’s still worth it but you bootcamp fags suck ass at coding
>T. CS major elitist @ FAGMAN

[Anonymous No.50762760]

>>50727667
Getting a job at amazon is hard as hell
You are completing with top college chinks and pajeets

[Anonymous No.50762804]

>>50727667
building AI to replace not only constructive but creative venues of work
art, science, its all 1s and 0s and i will be chilling in a gold tiled ballroom i call my bathroom

[Anonymous No.50763643]

>>50727667
its bs, I'm 3 years in, and just started making 100k

[Anonymous No.50764145]

>>50759587
Can this AI compiler shit work in existing software and video games like Degrees of Lewdity or it only works for very short simple programs?

[Anonymous No.50764279]

>>50753618
>>50737831
>>50728570
You will never know the satisfaction of making something with your own two hands
I am a code monkey but I worked in cloud/networking space and it was never rewarding like physical work is.
You feel hollow and braindead at the end of the day, while even a bricklayer feels the natural euphoria of an honest days work

[Anonymous No.50764375]

>>50728228

total meme. 170k in any city is better than 80k in middle of nowhere. the only thing that changes significantly is the cost of housing. if you do not need a 6 bedroom 7,000 sq ft house and are fine living with less space the rest of that money is pure profit. most other things are only marginally more expensive. source: someone who lived in bumfuck alabama, and someone who lives now in an incredibly large city. its just rent/mortgage. that's the difference, and i never wanted a 6 bedroom house

[Anonymous No.50764410]

>>50727667
I used to pull in 180k until vax mandates came out, now I'm just living off my shitcoin returns. Still not vaxxing just to go back into a wage cage

[Anonymous No.50764504]

>>50764410
will you ever forgive the kikes for that?

[Anonymous No.50764521]

>>50764279
Shut up, shallow nigger.
>Le honest hard work

[Anonymous No.50765772]

>>50764504
No.

[Anonymous No.50766300]

Good and informative thread. I know nothing about coding, how do I know if I’ll like it? Where do I start?

[Anonymous No.50767676]

>>50766300
Code academy, udemy. Write some code. Use google

[Anonymous No.50767776]

>>50727667
>How much longer will this bullshit last?
Hopefully a couple more years until I retire

[Anonymous No.50767784]

>>50766300
The Odin Project

[Anonymous No.50767801]

>>50749726
Based.

This is why a startup can build something in 6 months that takes a larger company 3-4 years to build.

[Anonymous No.50767845]

The thing that irks me about these threads, other than them being completely incorrect (people thought software would be completely outsourced 20 years ago), is that there aren't alternative career paths suggested.

Still waiting for those brilliant alternatives to software careers, but you fags that make these threads can never tell us what that is.

[Anonymous No.50767869]

>>50767845
You could be a mercenary overseas or build stuff for the arabs in the desert.

[Anonymous No.50767877]

>>50727667
1.2 mil starting or sui tbqh

[Anonymous No.50768170]

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[Anonymous No.50768422]

>>50727719
>Not much longer. Tech is aging and basically plateaued
That tells me you aren't truly out in the private sector on this. I still can't get anyone I know to move jobs for $300k, full remote, 8 weeks PTO. Why? They're all employed on their own path.

There are new projects funded all the time.

That said, I'm openminded about a decline. What do you think it declines to?

[Anonymous No.50768448]

>>50737185
>How? That is some advanced kikery
The face value shares you get at vesting are income. There wasn't a capital gain here. You just got a pile of shares with a $ value.

They take shares out of the amount to over taxes at this time.

Then, if you hold from there, normal capital gains rules apply if the price goes up or down.

It is unfortunate that you can't avoid having it taxed as income.

[Anonymous No.50768464]

>>50737875
>i call bullshit friend
>every job requires one
>every single one
They don't. None of my friends with industry experience maintain a github of any note either. We talk about work projects in interviews.

[Anonymous No.50768515]

>>50740708
>Come back next year during the bear and a lot of those stock options will be underwater.
A SWE can just switch companies and get a new market rate TC.

SWEs that care about maximizing TC are getting into companies with depressed stock value right now. The companies give you more shares when you join when the stock is down.

[Anonymous No.50768527]

>>50742644
>Take the law pill. Boomer partners are retiring and there will be a power vacuum meanwhile tech is becoming increasingly saturated.
While I'm sure that law will have some opportunity, I'm 6 years into a tech career.

6 years of experience in technology is not saturated. Companies can't get enough of us

[Anonymous No.50768566]

>>50767869
>You could be a mercenary overseas or build stuff for the arabs in the desert.
How?

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[Anonymous No.50768599]

>>50727667
What coding languages do you need to know?

[Anonymous No.50768610]

>amazon
yes anon big businesses pay more than the average corp.

[Anonymous No.50769077]

Started at 6 figs after going back to school in my thirties.

Used to be mathematician but academia is a dying ponzi scheme. Who wants to teach cranky engineers logic only to dumb it down to maintain a cross department pass rate anyway? Sure, 4 courses in a discipline and you "know" it. Cocky midwits are the worst. Intellectual new money.

If you can open a box of boxes and keep going deeper until it works you'll be better than most of the cs majors out there.

[Anonymous No.50769313]

>>50736859
the people who write good machine learning algos are top 1%. they're all multimillionaires as a baseline and don't need to work for money