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50390811 No.50390811 [Reply] [Original]

>Only 9% inflation bros...

>> No.50390874
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50390874

>>50390811
Yeah, well, thank god it's only transitory.

>> No.50390889 [DELETED] 

someone should draw a dick on that piece of paper

>> No.50390893
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50390893

>>50390874
yeah, transitioning from a functioning economy to a Weimar economy

>> No.50390997

>>50390874
>>50390889
>>50390893

Has anyone actually ever went into the details of how they measure CPI? I mean line by line, every single product and the algorithm used, the hedonics used, the location of the products, etc.

Housing up yoy around 20%
Gas in my state is up about 80%
Food at my local Giant Eagle or Wal-Mart is all up 20%, 50%, 100%, some shit is even up 200%.

Used cars were up about 40% in my area. I was able to sell my Chrysler that was only worth about $8k 1 year ago, for $12k this year.

It's such a fucking fraud. Idk how ANYBODY even pretends to believe it.

>> No.50391064 [DELETED] 

>>50390997
no one cares. if you cant afford things then work harder, its simple.

>> No.50391190

>>50390997
1/3 of the CPI is housing. But they don't use actual market prices or rents. They give non landlord boomers a survey and ask them to guess what they would charge if they rented their property. That figure is only up like 5% even though real rents are up 25-40%.

The food portion is dynamic. If steak cost $8/lb last year and is $16/lb now, they just say that people will eat chicken instead ($5/lb -> $10/lb). Under this model, the cost of meat went from $8 to $10, only a 25% rise!

>> No.50391193

>>50391064
You need to be 18 to post here

>> No.50391229

>>50391190
Big if true

>> No.50391253
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50391253

>>50391190

Ya I know, but I'm wondering if there is an actual line by line list of every single thing they measure and how they measure it. Or, is it just an amalgamation of different reports from each federal reserve across the country.

Like, not just; Item: Milk, Price: $2.48 Gal.

But; Item: Whole Milk, Brand: Great Value, Buisness: Walmart, Location: ABC Town USA, Adjustment: -24 cents, Reason: Higher Vitamin D content, Price: $2.48 Gal.

I know it's autistic as hell, but I have a suspicion they just make a lot of shit up and rush through it.

>> No.50391471

>>50391253

That’s what happens when you have no-one with actual economic or mathematical intelligence running the fed. JPow himself never studied economics, had a bachelors in political science

>> No.50391517

>>50391190
This is true. Look into the boskin commission for more info anons.
If we measured cpi as they did in the 70's. The cpi would be well over 15%.

>> No.50391530

the answer is clearly to cook at home

>> No.50391548

>>50391530
/thread

>> No.50391551

>>50391190
the CPI doesnt include housing

the CPI and housing prices have decoupled about 40%, not that it really matter as you point out the CPI is entirely fudged anyway

housing is gonna crash hard to realign with real prices of other goods. so either housing will come down or bread and milk will be $15 bucks each

>> No.50391561

>>50391517
you can think obama and the big econ brains for that.

a move from the official poverty measure to a subjective poverty measure (because if you dont have a phone you are in poverty according to the gov)

>> No.50391562

>>50391190
The owners equivalent rent is particularly shady because it is not a measurable number. It is a survey given to home owners. That data is essentially meaningless. (And constitutes 1/3 of cpi) A home owner would clearly not be familiar with the renting market. Therefore how could they answer the question what would the rent for your house be if you did not own it. The blind leading the blind. Fuck economists and fuck jannies.

>> No.50391566

>The food portion is dynamic. If steak cost $8/lb last year and is $16/lb now, they just say that people will eat chicken instead ($5/lb -> $10/lb). Under this model, the cost of meat went from $8 to $10, only a 25% rise!

And if chicken goes up to $20 they will just say that people eat ze bugs instead… hehe…

>> No.50391576

>>50391566
we will eat ze bugs doe fr

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50391583

>>50391561
Thanks Obama

>> No.50391651

>>50390811
>chicken wings WAS
>coonlord
Bro stop trying to low key shill your band in /biz/

>> No.50391698

Sounds like based wholesalers are ripping off groids
>chikkin wingz wuz bout tree fiddy nigguh
notmyproblem.gif

>> No.50391756

>JUST LE SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY EATING OUT AT SHITTY RESTAURANTS!!!!1!
>DON'T LEARN HOW TO COOK OR GET GOOD DEALS ON FOODSTUFFS, YOU NEED TO CONSOOM AND PLACE YOURSELF IN SOCIAL SETTINGS!!!!1!

>> No.50391806

>>50391253
Here ya go anon, enjoy.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.t07.htm

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50391912

>>50391806

Thanks, but I've seen that. My point is, they are just generalizing groups of products instead of actually pointing out specific items, where those items were measured, what adjustments and the reasoning for those adjustments. Also, LMFAO at these footnotes.

>> No.50391933

>>50391806
thanks
>>50391912
yeah I'm sure they have some autistic reasoning for it but they won't share it because then you could find fault in it.

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50391958

>>50391756
>PLACE YOURSELF IN SOCIAL SETTINGS!!!!1!
Nah I’ll pay the doordash premium to avoid that I’m a bobo hoarding cash anyways

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>>50390811
How much are tickets to the Goonlord show?

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50393119

>>50390811
I get it now. It's so simple. I can't believe I didn't see it before. But now my eyes are open. There really is no defeating inflation. Inflation is actually impossible to overcome. It's the reason why everyone is poor, and will continue to become poorer over time.

You make 5% more this year? Well fuck you, because businesses increase their prices 6% to stay ahead.
Economy in a recession? Well fuck you, they still raise their prices, because nobody is spending, and they have to keep their profit margins up.
There is no action that will not result in businesses increasing their prices. They will always increase it disproportionately to the average income. And nothing will stop them from doing that. The whole system is spiraling out of control.

>> No.50393174

>>50393119
Get a raise that outpaces real inflation, get a second job to bring in more money, demand the government reduce taxes, rather than tax you and selectively hand it out to other people.

Or just get used to having less.

>> No.50393196

What's funny is normies think this will all be over in a few months or a year or something lmao.

>> No.50393373

>>50393174
Or enforce harsher regulations on businesses.

>> No.50393702

>>50390811
America has too many restraints anyway.

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50394005

>>50390811
>A case of chicken wings
Who the fuck buys a case of anything at a restaurant?

>> No.50394075

>>50390997
Never heard of ShadowStats.com anon??

>> No.50394095 [DELETED] 

>>50390811
repeat after me:
>AMERICA
>IS
>A
>LANDWHALE
>SHITHOLE
>AND
>A
>POLICE
>STATE

>> No.50394111

>>50391190
This.

>> No.50394136

>>50391530
Bought roasted chicken, cottage cheese, avocado, almonds, Greek yogurt, carrots and bananas for my meals this week. Trying to gain muscle and lose body fat. Fuck eating out.

>> No.50394203

>>50393119
this is the definite truth, why the fuck are we even working? no fucking meaning whatsoever
dying is easier

>> No.50394260

>>50394005
The restaurant you retard.

>> No.50394274

>>50390811
Everyone knows whatever they to admit is way understated

I think realistically we have 25% inflation

>> No.50394668

>>50391471
I have a business degree no one should be listening to me about economics because of it. Degrees teach you next to nothing.

>> No.50394945

Ah yes the ol 400% increase in chicken costs lmao

>> No.50394984

>>50390811
Your standard 42" television now has even more pixels, the remote goes further, and it has better sound and the price is the same.
You have to factor in everything.

>> No.50395004

>>50390893
Rookie posts carlos

>> No.50395047

>>50390997
>>50391190
Just wait until anons look into labor force participation among under 30s (even with higher education factored) and the low unemploynent rate, to say nothing of under employment which never recovered post 2007. Obama did it, Trump did it, and now Biden does it. Throw big numbers to make people happy while they work 80hrs for the bare minimum.

>> No.50395132

>>50390811
This is your economy on liberalism.

>> No.50395147

>>50391562
My parents haven't rented since the 90s and were paying $600/month for a decent 2 bedroom apartment with a garage where you could walk to the beach in San Diego. Adjusted for inflation that would be $1200 today using the CPI rates. Lmaooooooooooooo they think my $1000 rent in flyover land is bad. These are moderately educated home owning boomers.

>> No.50395150

>>50395047
What does this even mean.
Trump did nothing but be a boomer.
Obama and Biden do/did everything they possibly can to stick it to people in every way possible.

>> No.50395435

>>50395150
>be Obama
>give billions to auto manufacturers to "stop people from losing their jobs"
>people lose jobs and execs pocket bonuses
>give trillions for banks too big to fail
>they fail or merge, thousands lose jobs and execs pocket bonuses
>labor force participation never recovers from pre-2007 levels
Every president from around the 70s onward has down some amount of fuckery like this.
Admittedly I'm sleep deprived and misread ypur post but refuse to edit. Trump did the same using
>muh GDP
>muh joblessness decrease
>muh S&P
as indicators of a healthy economy while people were still waiting for any amount of relief or federal revitalization of their local economies. The tax cut was nice but he also bailed out industries and that was pre-covid. Covid almost had no impact in the sense that we've lived in a "golden bullrun" for almost 20 years which doesn't happen naturally without everyone's ship being lifted.

>> No.50395451

>>50390811
>chicken wings
arent most of those from the USA? Why would the price skyrocket that much? Seems like bullshit to justify charging customers more to me.

>> No.50395536

>>50395451
Didn't a huge chicken farm go up in smoke not too long ago?

>> No.50395572

> my shitty oil has 400% inflation
that restaurant are scammers
almost no change in price here on shitty goods

>> No.50395595

>>50391064
found the chink

>> No.50395624

>>50390811
Time for corporate rents to fall to square the circle

>> No.50395645

>>50391229
It's called imputed rent, they even include it in GDP!

>> No.50395663

>>50391551
Either way the boomers suffer, yay!

>> No.50395688

>>50393174
Get a 10% raise, marginal tax rates aren't keeping up with inflation, lose 30% in tax.

>> No.50395692

>>50391576
no cap?

>> No.50395724

>>50394984
Yet you can't buy a tv from the start of the hedonic reduction, you have to opt into the new shit even if you don't want to.

>> No.50395771
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>>50390997
in america they report on inflation with the CPI (consumer price index) which is a basket of goods. they rebalance the basket by claiming that people tend to drive less for leisure, or substitute prime rib for chicken, or some other bullshit. this allows them to swap out more expensive products for cheaper products and manipulate the CPI basket downward.

but even the prices of individual products are manipulated. they perform quality or hedonic adjustments for proclaimed improvements of quality. a good example is cars. cars are getting more and more expensive but they adjust the price downward because a car from today has, for example, a touch screen infotainment system and an 8 speed automatic transmission. a car from yesterday might have a dumb radio and a 5 speed automatic transmission. they claim that the newer version of the car is a massive quality improvement, and so they can rightfully adjust the price downward to make it comparable on a $ to $ basis to the old car. in reality this is ridiculous. see pic related. the only measure of inflation that matters to the consumer is how much they pay at the cash register/sales counter for identical goods.

this sounds like schizophrenia but it's true. the BLS (bureau of labor statistics) talks about quality and hedonic adjustments on their own website. and they also talk about product substitutions within the basket. this is how you reconcile a 10% reported food inflation for april 2021 to april 2022 with witnessing firsthand, with proof of store receipts, the price of food going up 50% minimum in the same period of time.

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>>50390811

>> No.50395811

>>50390811
inflation is transgender

>> No.50395819

>>50395435
>refuse to edit
How does it feel working for free?

>> No.50396144

>>50394203
That’s what they want your say

>> No.50396246

>>50391561
>(because if you dont have a phone you are in poverty according to the gov)
Definitely true unless you're some autistic retired boomer, you can't even get a job without a phone

>> No.50396345

>>50395771
>the only measure of inflation that matters to the consumer is how much they pay at the cash register/sales counter for identical goods

Nothing is identical.
Even an apple from 50 years ago isn´t the same. It´s hard to actually measure inflation as prices, products and people change with time.

How can you argue that implementing all kinds of safety measures in cars shouldn´t make them more expensive ?

Measuring inflation is really difficult especially in times like these where consoomer behavior is changing dramatically

>> No.50396805

>>50390997
why the fuck do you think onlyfans weed and drugs are so popular? People are dumbing themselves because it’s better than roping. This is by design and many anons wrote about this years ago. Life sucks so get high watch porn and let them rape you. I’m worried that if things don’t get under control their will be a civil war

>> No.50396902

>>50396345
most of their adjustments are disingenuous. the only adjustments they should be making are useful lifespan adjustments for durable goods provided that they truly last longer. hedonic adjustments for technology improvements are meaningless scam when useful lifespan of tech products do not increase and in probability decrease (planned obsolescence or perpetual licensing scams crippling its functionality.)

at the end of the day all that matters is what you pay at the cash register for identical goods. going back to that guy's post, cars are a good example of this. durability and safety of vehicles improved massively between 1990 and 2010 or so -- and then flatlined. since then prices have been going up while the CPI jews make downward adjustment copes for nonsense reasons. oy vey the 2020 model has a 10 speed transmission while the 2007 model only had a 5 speed, this is a massive improvement? and did you see, goy, the 2020 model has a bluetooth infotainment system and an HD backup camera! that alone lets me adjust the price downward by 5%!

even if i believed these nonsense adjustments were valid justification, because i'm presumably getting "more" car every year (i'm not), it still doesn't address the fact that an entry level economy car 10 years ago was $18k and today it's $25k. what you pay at the sales counter is all that matters -- unless you can argue that you now buy the product less often due to lifespan improvements of durable goods.

>> No.50396951

>>50390811
>CHICKEN WINGS WAS

>> No.50396961 [DELETED] 

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>> No.50396971

>>50396902
Are you the guy who originally wrote what I copypasted? Extremely based if so. Posted it a bunch of times to explain CPI manipulation because of well explained it was

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50396980

>>50390811
>food is a human right
>give us free food
>t libturd

>> No.50396994

>>50390997
>It's such a fucking fraud. Idk how ANYBODY even pretends to believe it.
It's less that people pretend to believe it and more that they have genuine religious-tier faith in the reports of their government. Many wouldn't even know where to begin when it comes to verification of reports or conducting independent research. Some even go so far as to label basic Cartesian doubt alongside conspiracy theory. There's no salvation for them.

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>> No.50397012

>>50396971
kek. i had to re-read your post, but yeah, i remember writing that several months ago. i want to see CPI jews hanged dead.

other food for thought: ever notice how chicken breast is getting more disgusting by the day? it's pumped full of saline such that it deflates like a fucking balloon when you cook it. and there's a fairly recent "woody breast" phenomena where literal freak of nature farm bred chickens grow too fast and the muscle fibers get fucked up and tough and taste like shit. do you think the CPI kikes are adjusting the prices UPWARD to reflect in this OBVIOUS decline in quality over the past several years?

>the goyim will adapt to shittier food
>let's adjust it downward

>> No.50397167

>>50394984
The only thing that's gotten cheaper over the past decades. Reason? propaganda.. it's always cheap or free (see torrents)

>> No.50397257

>>50397167
"smart tv" features resell your user data to third party analytics firms. the cost of manufacture is offset (subsidized) by this. https://www.businessinsider.com/smart-tv-data-collection-advertising-2019-1
>oy vey the goyim are getting targeted advertisements from their tv purchases, which represents an even greater value!
>let's adjust the price downward by another 10%

>> No.50397385

>>50391551
>housing is gonna crash hard to realign with real prices of other goods
why?

>> No.50397668

>>50394075

I can't believe my thread is still up!

But, yes I know shadowstats.

>> No.50397692

>>50390811
This is what all businesses should do. The problem is most of them are TRASH and are(were) only able to compete by being cheap shit.

>> No.50397784

>>50397012
>eating chicken breast
White meat has always been flavorless and nutritionless. Get thighs instead

>> No.50397799

>>50395047

^ also this. Everything is a fraud.

>> No.50397812

>>50395132

Agree, but let's be honest, the "conservatives" aren't much better. I really wish we had a congress and executive branch full of Rand Pauls.

>> No.50397855

>>50397812
That'd be based af

>> No.50397938

>>50395771

This ^^^

>> No.50397961

>>50396805

Agree, except the civil war part. I honestly believe we're to lazy and drugged up to do anything. Until people ate literally starving and don't have electricity, nothing will change.

>> No.50397999

>>50393119
No, you don't get it. Look at historical data. Prices and wages were steady until the US government began printing money like crazy in the late 1960s. And then broke the gold standard in 1971.

>> No.50398084

>>50391190

More government fuckery from this scam of a government and its Jew central bank

>> No.50398143

>>50393174
>get a second job
>get used to having less
oy vey
>demand the govt reduce taxes
lol. lmao even.
>get a 15% raise every year!
you have to be 18 to post here

>> No.50398167

>>50390811
As a native American I'm gonna laugh when you fuckers have Weimar prices at the grocery store.
Not sustainable, endless greed.

>> No.50398168

>>50394984
>electronics are cheaper so energy, food, and shelter don't matter as much
at least i can watch BLACK womyn on netflix in true clarity

>> No.50398178

>>50390997
>>50390893
I bought a bag of chips today, it used to be 3.99 now its 5.99.
I hope it gets worse.

>> No.50398193

>>50397812
Lolspergs are even worse than progressives

>> No.50398208

>>50395771
i agree but how else do you factor in improved quality? maybe cpi should factor in quality improvements only if there's no alternative. eg i'ts hard pressed to find a car with a manual transmission and no backup cam etc.

>> No.50398226

>>50390811
So a year ago you were ripping us off? No thanks

>> No.50398237

>>50391566
>And if chicken goes up to $20.
It's already like 15 bucks just to buy a few breats at my store.
Lmao.

>> No.50398238

>>50396805
There needs to be civil war and mass unrest for things to ever get better though. We can only build back better when shit like that happens. The pendulum must continue to swing. Yes it will suck and many will die but there's a light at the end of the tunnel I think. I'm just sitting back though.

>> No.50398249

>>50394005
>t. has never been to a cookout

>> No.50398254

>>50391756
Man you're a fucking idiot.

>> No.50398271

>>50393174
Get against the wall so we can shoot you.
How about we stop taxing peoples incomes?
Retard.

>> No.50398298

>>50395451
>Seems like bullshit to justify charging customers more to me.
That's exactly what it is, it's called a trade war, just stop buying stuff and do community boycott.

>> No.50398309

>>50396805
Currently growing OG kush.

>> No.50398316

>>50390811
Thanks Trump!

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50398322

>>50397012
You killed Hitler for this.

>> No.50398342

This is now how inflation works. If prices of items goes up then businesses should substitute with viable alternatives.

Fryer oil too expensive? Okay, use a different kind of oil or some other cooking liquid.

Chicken wings too expensive? Fine. Change the menu and include other items or cheaper cuts of meat.

Take out boxes too expensive? Sure, switch to cheaper styrofoam boxes.

I am tired of businesses trying to gouge customers because they are too stupid to learn how to keep their costs down. Adapt to the economy or die. I hope this local restaurant goes out of business.

>> No.50398410

>>50398322
this sounds fake and a total larp.

>> No.50398430

>>50398342
They already use the cheapest fryer oil. Wings are the cheapest cut of chicken. You are gay and your post was bait.

>> No.50398442

>>50398342
it must be nice to be five years old but what do you do when everything, including substitutes, goes up in price.
>fryer oil expensive
assuming the cheapest oil already wasn't used
>use a cheaper cut of meat than chicken wings
a la, fucking organ meat? wings were the cheap cut
>take out boxes too expensive
got me there
>gooberment prints trillions and prevents people from working. why can't businesses adapt to this free market!

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50398520

>>50397012
pic related was already going to happen, previously
but covid and brrrrrrrrr accelerated it by an order of magnitude

>> No.50398557

>>50398322
>you could write anything in a newspaper
>except don’t criticize Hitler (NatSoc party he was head of aka the entire government) and don’t tell the truth about eastern and western front losses

Almost like the press was just a lugenpresse for the Nazis, eh?

Inb4 “ur a kike!”

I too hate what kikes have done and are doing, but Hitler lost the war and got millions of Germans killed by making bad decisions. He didn’t need to invade Russia. He didn’t need to bomb London. He should’ve contented himself with France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Poland and been done with it. Much could’ve been accomplished with that bloc of countries including fascist Spain and Italy. Hitler got greedy and poked the Russian bear and paid for it with his life and the lives of 10s of millions of German volk.

>> No.50398591

>>50390811
Beer is still the same price. Wonder why?

>> No.50398645

>>50395451
Bird flu. It didn’t make big headlines outside of home and garden publications, but about 6 months ago we started seeing it in the US again. They raise these birds in massive flocks and one flu case triggers a cull. They killed millions of birds in the last few months and disposed of the bodies. At least that’s the official story. There have been all sorts of fires, explosions, weird poising events in agriculture and food distro over the last year or so. Seems more like a pattern of industrial sabotage at this point, I suspect it has something to do with these ESG ratings like what happened in Sri Lanka and the Netherlands.

>> No.50398673

>>50398342
>Okay, use a different kind of oil or some other cooking liquid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil

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50398679

>>50397385
it's deviated way farther than it should
for no real reason than cheap fed money, which is now coming to an end
only way for it to not, is printer going on again, but by that point it's too far gone to save anything

>> No.50398689

>>50398557
Well said. Hitler was a fucking moron. If he really wanted to invade Russia he should have forced Britain into capitulation first anyway. Instead he left open the doors for the US to eventually align with Britain, use their resources/land to mobilize, and fuck over his gay nazi country.

>> No.50398757

>>50396805
>People are dumbing themselves because it’s better than roping.
hope, cope, dope, or rope
the only 4 options left

>> No.50398772

>>50397961
>Until people ate literally starving and don't have electricity, nothing will change.
society is always a few missed meals away from falling apart
when people used to eating every day have to go a multiple days in between, is when they start to get uppity

>> No.50398774

>>50398689
Yes, the historical accounts written by the allied victors are 100% accurate. I mean.. why would they lie?

>> No.50398787
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>>50391530
/ck/ is a good place to go to for this, as well as general shitposting overall

>> No.50398803

>>50390811
it's literally aliens.
inflation isn't real.

THEY control everything about the economy.
This is part of their program to enslave and transform mankind.

>> No.50398822

>>50395819
Thank me for my service

>> No.50398823
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>>50398803
Nothing is real.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx-DT8wUY80

>> No.50398833

>>50390811
And when did they last give their employees a pay raise?

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>chicken wangs was, muddafucca

>> No.50398853

>>50398774
What are you talking about? I was commenting on Hitler's idiotic strategy that fucked him and his entire country over. Why create a 2nd front with another major power when the first front isn't finished and risks having other democratic nations join that front as well?

>> No.50398872

>>50398823
And there's nothing to get on about.
Strawberry fields forever.


-"hyperinflation" news story and buzz word occurs across all media platforms on the same day at the same hour with no previous indications or mentions.

-In the span of two weeks every major retailer on planet earth raises their prices 50-100%, or greater

-The mass amount of money printed never actually reached the consumer bases hands, it all went to major corporations that already had obscene amounts of money, thus there was no real impetus for inflation.

What does this extreme economic coordination and artificial manifestation of a collapse scenario indicate?

They're here.

>> No.50398878

>>50390997
Stfu commie

Work harder like your grandparents did

>> No.50398884

>>50390889
with cum blasting out if it

>> No.50398898

>>50398853
Because Russia was already acting aggressively and provoking Germany by doing things like being poised to seize Romanian oil that the Germans would need to fuel their many tanks, planes, and transport vehicles.

>> No.50398908

>>50398837
lmao

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>>50398872
>>50398823
>>50398803

You believe me don't you?
Please believe what I just said.

>> No.50398923

>>50398679
>it's deviated way farther than it should
>than it should
what does this even mean?
the cost of a Lambo is high, so do you also believe it "should" come down to become affordable to you?

>> No.50398950

ITT: Bunch of whiny kids who spend all their money on avocado toast whine about capitalism and how it makes them work.

>> No.50398982

>>50398898
Yes Russia was industrializing fast and had aggressive future ambitions towards Germany, but that doesn't change the fact that opening a new front with them before finishing off Britain first was a huge strategic failure. The delay wouldn't have been that long.
The oil you talk about wouldn't have been so necessary for the Germans without that second front against Russia anyway. Germany would have been better off finishing their nuclear bomb research (they were pretty close to it) and fucking Russia with that.

>> No.50398986

>>50398912
This isn't humanities world anymore.
They're hunting.
That's what social media and the internet is for.
Hunting.

>> No.50399022

>>50398986
Do you know, really know, what human instrumentality is?
I'm not talking about evangellion. The anime was a cover to obscure the reality of the subject.

I'll give you a hint
It's related to the Internet, Big Data, AI, social credit scores, and the worlds industrial surveillance complex.

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>>50398923
>comparing a deprecating luxury vehicle against a necessity
you think a house built 50 years ago, now costing 5x, as much makes sense in any way?

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>>50391190
poor people are fucked brehs

>> No.50399059

>>50394668
degrees teach you the formalities of how to write scientific papers, that's about it.

you're supposed to learn how to research stuff yourself and write a conclusive paper on it to present to your superiors. what you really studied is just an extra on how you should think about solving problems. if you studied anything stem you're expected to be extremely precise and analytical. If you studied soft sciences you're expected to not interpret everything too strongly and have a rather open interpretation on the conclusion.

Depending on the task they will hire you on how you are preprogrammed to solve problems. Either vague meta/macro or detailed micro approach.

Of course there are people out there who will be better than people will degrees, but employers want a common denominator and societal proof that they are trustable and they aren't wasting their time.but ultimately it's just a formality shitshow to split society.

>> No.50399065

>>50399022
Don't trust anyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPjzBkpEJW0

>> No.50399093

>>50399032
They cost what the market will bear. People are buying. Sorry you're priced out, but that doesn't mean the market is somehow broken or "should" reduce prices so you can get back in.

>> No.50399148

>>50399093
nice sidestepping
the market is massively pumped with cheap money, to buy overpriced houses
as the cheap money ends, being overpriced ends with it

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>>50398143
^ This.

>>50398168
^ This.

>>50398193
^ Stop the cap.

>>50398342
^ My local restaurant already uses the cheapest take out boxes and they're more expensive than what the top quality ones used to be.

>>50398430
^ This.

>>50398442
^ This.

>>50398591
^ Local beer is. Imports have gone up a bit.

>>50398673
^ This.

>>50398757
^ This.

>>50398803
^ Absolutely based and invaderpilled.

>>50398833
^ only when the state Mandates a higher wage for restaurant workers (like $4.40/hr). Yes, it should be illegal.

>>50398878
^ I'm not a commie sir...

>>50398912
^ ...

>>50398950
^ My thread has been completely derailed by aliens and nazis... what happened?

>>50398986
>>50399022
>>50399065
^ sir?

>>50399148
^ This.

>> No.50399203

>>50399148
>the market is massively pumped with cheap money

The massive amounts of money printed by the FED in the last two years never reached consumers hands. It all went to major corporations that are physically unable to spend that much money on any of their projects.

50-150% price inflation occurred globally within two weeks of a coordinated media campaign that occurred on the same day across all media channels, advertising "hyperinflation" with zero previous mention or suggestion before that exact hour that ever media company aired the story.

I'm going to need you to figure it out.

>> No.50399252

>>50395435
But Trump just did it for his massive ego and his overall boomerism.
My point is that the others actually have it in for you.

I much prefer a blowhard egomaniac populist to a group of pedophilic psychos that literally want me to die the worst way possible.

>> No.50399272

>>50399148
>as the cheap money ends, being overpriced ends with it
Nope. Prices will stay up, because there will still be buyers. Sorry you didn't take advantage of the cheap money and got left behind.
The home owner class is shifting to wealthy boomers, house flippers, and corporations like Blackrock. You're not in the club, and the market doesn't need you.

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>>50399174
>My thread has been completely derailed by aliens
It's not a joke.
But you all larp as clowns right?
You like jokes?

"getting" a joke, is a matter of pattern recognition.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSffz_bl6zo

>> No.50399332

>>50399272
>Nope. Prices will stay up
L M A O
they all say that, until the end
good luck with you and yours though. hope you didn't overleverage too much there buddy

>> No.50399361

>imagine people eating in restaurant and now cooking their own meal.

>> No.50399364

>>50399332
>OMG IT'S GONNA CRASH IN JUST TWO WEEKS
Sure, buddy. Keep hoping and coping.

>> No.50399366

>>50399275
Humanity lost the war against the insects.

>> No.50399377

>>50394005
Kys

>> No.50399387

>>50390997
CPI is cooked numbers and it’s still 9.1. Actual around 20%

>> No.50399496

>>50399364
cope

>> No.50399678

>>50395771
They have to do this, COLAs to entitlements are based on what they come up with

>> No.50399710

>>50393174
>get second job and work like a rat or get used to not being able to afford eating out every once in a while and living a decent life while still having the opportunity to eventually own a modest home and living
Fuck you

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>>50396805
Why contain it?

>> No.50399800

>>50396345
Without central bank manipulation, goods should get cheaper. Technology or logistical improvements make it cheaper to produce the same good as the years pass. Having prices rise and revising quality downward can't be called anything else but theivery.

>> No.50399861

>>50399203
>a coordinated media campaign that occurred on the same day across all media channels, advertising "hyperinflation

Source? I'm not in Muttland so maybe that's why I haven't heard of this, I though the idea we were experiencing 10%+ let alone hyperinflation was still a massive taboo, who is calling it hyperinflation in the MSM already?

>> No.50400062

>>50390811
Checked and not my problem.

>> No.50400171

>>50390811
This is the fate of any western allied country that's not the US. Welcome to the death of the USD as we know it.

>> No.50400254

>>50394136
You can't gain muscle and lose weight at the same time. What you do is build muscle and eat like crazy for about 3 months, then switch to clean eating for another 3. Muscle take 3x more calories to maintain, so the extra weight from the bulk will come off quickly.

Do the bulk and cut for a couple years then settle into maintenance routine and diet. You'll be a beast.

>> No.50400267

>>50400254
>You can't gain muscle and lose weight at the same time
Yes you can, you fucking retarded nigger. Losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time is possible.

>> No.50400271

>>50390811
Sounds like a boomer problem. Why don't they just work harder?

>> No.50400334

>>50399022
Why don't you just say it without the ghey breadcrumbs? This isn't a marketing class it's fucking 4chan. That being said, LARP away, anon.

>> No.50400344

Why is eth up so much these past couple days? Is it a sign the bottom is in?

>> No.50400352

>>50400267
Go for it then, /fit/izen! Magically cut while gaining! All the best bodybuilders and athletes in the world can't do it, but I'm sure you will!

Do you even lift?

>> No.50400393

>>50398923
Are you really going to compare entry level housing -- which is essentially a commodity -- to a super-luxury good? Housing is only worth what a marginal buyer is willing to pay for it, and marginal buyers can buy A LOT LESS house at 5.5% than at 3%. Essentially, the Fed has drained significant exit liquidity from the housing market. Your zestimate may be X, but buyers will only pay Y.

>> No.50400396

>>50390811
I buy all this stuff when I go grocery shopping. Cooking oil and chicken have gone up but they haven't tripled in price. Why such large price increases for restaurant supplies?

>> No.50400414

>>50399272
LMAO you're assuming that all the boomer and TikTok investors/speculators that bought in the last year have diamond hands? At the first sign of a downturn they are going to rush to the exits to try to realize their equity gains.

>> No.50400447

>>50399203
Fed money might not have reached consumer hands, but do you know what money did reach consumer hands -- treasury money. Stimmy checks and PPP helicopter money to upper-middle class boomers pumped up the real economy like heroin. That was the heroin high. Now is the heroin crash.

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Are /biz/cels complete retards? It’s the CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, it’s INDEXED to…consumer prices. That’s the whole point, yes you can find individual items that are way more expensive that 9%, likewise you can find things that are cheaper in dollar terms.

Oh my god, my index fund is only up 12% in the last year but I found this stock that’s up 40%, am I being scammed?!?!

>> No.50400487

>>50400352
>be fat
>bro just bulk to build muscle

kys you fucking moron

>> No.50400671

>>50400460
Which individual item in the index is cheaper in dollars, please tell

>> No.50402269

>>50400352
>Magically cut while gaining
If you're not an autistic min-maxing faggot on steroids that obsessively needs to gain every once of muscle that you possibly can, then yes you can cut while gaining. You might miss out on a small amount of gains but it's still very doable.

>> No.50402323

>>50394005
>American Education
Lmao lol

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>>50390811
I will laugh when the bugs get expensive too

>> No.50402809

>>50399148
>mad because he's priced out

>> No.50402856

>>50402809
>projecting
cope/10

>> No.50404357

My country officially has the third highest inflation rate in the world right now (Officially only behind Turkey and Russia).

Yet I barely see any higher prices when I buy groceries, clothes or electronics.

People keep whining about inflation but I am legitimately unsure where this inflation is occurring.

Maybe it's purely gas for heating, electricity and gasoline for the car causing the inflation figures?

I have no idea but I will never believe government statistics again. This fake inflation is just meant to scare people so that politicians get elected again. I don't believe any of this shit.

>> No.50404392 [DELETED] 

>>50390811
Don't care + didn't ask + ratio + you're poor
Reverse Uno matic general >>50404353

>> No.50404431

>>50390811
>200%
yes sure, 500% increase. Lmao at poor people, hope they starve to death and go bankrupt

>> No.50404484

>>50400393
>entry level housing
Entry level shelter is a basic good. That's called a rented room or apartment. These are widely available everywhere.
Single family detached houses are a luxury good, yes. The price alone should've clued you in.

>> No.50404490

>>50394005
'people' buy cheap battery raised chicken in buckets and love it so

>> No.50404543

>>50398982
>The delay wouldn't have been that long.
They had literally no way to invade Britain
>nuclear bomb research
Germany's nuclear research was reactor based. They had no atomic weapons programme.
You have no idea what you're on about and you're so confidently calling someone else an idiot.

>> No.50404550

>>50390811
>2 more weeks!!!!!!
Back the the containment area, thinly veiled troll

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>>50390997
Most comprehensive video of peter schiff on cpi.

https://youtu.be/lSyYL-_RXHA

Mostly they say housing doesn't go up as much. They ask homeowners a survey to ask how much they would rent their house for. Then rig those numbers down. The housing category is like 30% of the CPI data. They don't account that if you get a mortgage right now it would be double the payment as before.

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>>50390874
Lmao'd

>> No.50405273

>>50393174
>demand the government reduce taxes, rather than tax you and selectively hand it out to other people.
People in Australia are VERY sensitive about this and will unironically freak out if you even suggest this.

>> No.50405680
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50405680

>my employer raises prices on all products by 20%
>I only get a 10% pay rise

>> No.50406048

>>50405680
It’s almost like they have other costs other than payroll that they needed to cover.

>> No.50406186

>>50400352
There is a difference between some random couch potato and bodybuilder who has been lifting for decades. Yes the fatty can lose fat and build muscle at the same time

>> No.50406634

>>50396805
Its all but certain. 1776 worldwide niggers, get guns get good.

>> No.50406696

>>50400460

See >>50400671 please, show us an item that has gotten cheaper without hedonics.

>> No.50406703

>>50394005
You dumb fuck rofl

>> No.50406710

Was that food fucked up?

>> No.50406888

>>50397012
dunno man, my wife works as a chef at a golf resort where the elite dine, she brought home some roast chicken from there, it was way better by far than any of the chicken we usually eat

>> No.50408572

>>50390811
[citation needed]

>> No.50409020

9% inflation? Who cares about a little 8% CPI rise? The economy is doing well, this slight elevation in prices is actually a good thing, and besides just invest your money rather than keeping it in the bank and you can still get ahead. Yes, a little 7% easing is nothing to worry about.

We can all deal with a 6% handle. Make different choices, shop at a cheaper retailer, like Wal-Mart or Costco instead of Whole Foods. Life is about making different and smarter choices. Consider getting a higher-paying job, this can give you a little motivation. Or maybe even a second job? Yes, put in a few more hours, and you can easily absorb a minor 5% price elevation. It's all about having a positive attitude. Try selling your car and taking the bus instead.

>> No.50409715

>>50409020
How does getting a high paying job shield you from inflation?

When the value of what you earn keep reducing if nothing is done by the government.

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>>50390811
The restaurants are bitching about higher costs of raw materials now.. pity.. the niggers who enforced vaccine passports will get no sympathy from me.

I stopped eating at restaurants when they started enforcing impfpass.. didnt go back since then..

I learnt cooking my own food.. yummy and delicious all with organic ingredients, without Sneed oil, full of lard and butter, without GMO wheat, at fraction of the costs at restaurants.

Play stupid games you restaurantniggers, you will not get my money...

>> No.50409825

>>50390811
It’s literally just boomers scamming boomers and blaming young people. Their greed has no limits.

>> No.50409859

>>50409715
Anon offered the most logical option, all financial markets are crashing currently there's really no better option if one think about it.

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>>50400267
>>50406186
how?

>> No.50410274

>>50410129
By fucking shredding your body while working out.

>> No.50410356

>>50409859
Except fags want to consider staying in USD which logically i think it's the dumbest thing ever to do considering how inflation is hitting the financial market.

>> No.50410732

>>50410356
How is this even a logical option? Buying properties could be an option?

>> No.50410830

>>50410732
Haven't you seen reports from China saying lots of chinese are defaulting on their mortgage? Doesn't that spell doom for the sector as a whole.

>> No.50410909

>>50410830
Thinking logically anon there's really no way out of this inflation except the government sits up and drop policies that helps counter this.

>> No.50411158

>>50398645
Don't forget energy. Roughly 60% of all the nitrogen (protein) in that chicken came from the Haber process. Natural gas is the primary input in the fixation of atmospheric nitrogen.

>> No.50411181

>>50410909
You can't keep waiting on government to solve every fucking problem they created thats why we now have DeFi, this offers amazing opportunities to counter inflation,one of which is having access to multiple yield generators through spool while paying fees only when you are profitable.

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50411264

>>50391530
>>50398787
I will forever extoll the virtues of learning to cook. I've been cooking since I was a kid, cooked for years in a non-professional capacity, tried various recipes.. my best dish is red sauce, something I have been making for over a decade. I recently cooked some red sauce and it's perfect. I no longer need to change it. I'm proud of it, but it took years of refining to get it where it is today.

Cooking is my chosen art. I love it, and it loves me. I make better food than what you get at the majority of restaurants, so it takes a real nice place to get me excited to go.

You can exercise the upmost control over what you eat when you cook for yourself, and feel good knowing that you've consumed something healthy and nutritious. You learn about the quality of ingredients and their nutritional/flavor profiles so you only allow the best to grace your body. Everything I make for myself is high quality in nutrition and flavor. I prepare these offerings for myself because I deserve a gift of health and flavor, a kindness to the body and soul.

I don't understand how people can walk through life without knowing the joys of cooking. It is a beautiful art, and I must confess, even though I've been cooking for most of my life, it was only recently that I was able to begin cooking like *me*

I imagine it's similar to any art. In music you play others songs until you can start playing like (You), just like in drawing you practice the style of others before you discover your own. I've practiced many recipes and there's still plenty more to learn, and each new recipe adds another tool to my belt.

Thanks for >>50398787, there's plenty there I'd love to try. Here's a recipe from another biz anon for escarole and beans. I've never had it, but I've read some raving reviews after looking around online. Biz anons tend to have good taste so I'll definitely give it a go.

>> No.50411363

>>50391190
Another trick they do is they say, wow a honda civic has 3xed in price since 1990. But honda civics are so much better because our technology is smarter. It's probably a 2x better product. So really it has only increased by 1/3.

>> No.50411466

>>50391530
>>50398787
>>50411264
You know what? Allow me to add my own contribution. It's cheap and delicious, Italian soul food:

4 TBS Butter
1 Head of garlic

mince the garlic, saute it on low in the butter. we're browning the garlic

In a separate container bowl (sealable), add 1 cup of cold press virgin olive oil, 1 TBS Basil, 1/2 TBS parsley, 1 tsp oregano, 1/2-1 tsp red pepper flakes, 1/2-1 tsp pepper.

All herbs are better minced fresh, including fresh cracked pepper, but dried will do.

After the garlic is browned, dump the butter/garlic mixture into your herb/olive oil and mix it up. Let the mixture sit overnight.

After that, just boil some noodles in some salt water, add it to a bowl, add a few spoonfuls of the garlic/herb/oil mixture, mix it up, top with grated parmesan cheese.

Viola. Extremely cheap, filling, relatively healthy.

>> No.50411547

Reminder that this happened in large part because these retards obliterated the economy over the flu and then printed a shitload of money, like the majority of the usd supply in history in a short period. Then they baited Ukraine into war with its regional power (1st and 4th biggest wheat exporters) for good measure. Now yurop is without energy and everyone is going to go hungry.

>> No.50411903

>>50397812
>Rand Pauls
He'd too send every American male to die for Israel.
Also he's already the head of the department of situation monitoring.
He, as well as his father, are literal non achievers, career politicians just in another coleur.

>> No.50412125

>>50390811
reddit.com/r/gooning is for the band

>> No.50412170

>>50411903
wrong and your lack of property, assets and connections is causing you to lash out and will result in your doom eventually.
Libertarians are the closest to being right in this fucking mess

>> No.50412211

>>50400460
sure but their trick is to weight it inappropriately and weigh 90% of stuff that is only purchased by 10% of people and the 10% that is purchased by 90% of people is much higher so it looks lower

>> No.50412314

>>50390893
Jews sure know what's best!

>> No.50412594

>>50411903
He is a typical disappointing career politician but his father Ron Paul is not

>> No.50413296

>>50399678
this moshi moshi desu

>> No.50413369

damn putinflation

>> No.50413433

>>50390997
They game the numbers for the published numbers. But there is no way they dont have models and numbers they look at internally. They know full well what the real number is.

>> No.50413598

>>50394005
americans, they also buy bottles of pop 4 litres large.

>> No.50413713

>media says printing money is a good thing
>normies say printing money is a good thing
>media says printing money was a bad thing
>normies say printing money was a bad thing

dear god they really do listen to whatever the mainstream tells them

>> No.50414296

>>50390811
inflation and speculation go hand in hand

and it will only get worse

by mid 2023 we will enter the real clown world

Homestead and arm yourselves.

>> No.50414684

>>50390811
Everything is fine, listen to the government officials and their statistics, treat it as unquestionable truth. What could go wrong?

>> No.50414988

>>50390811
wagie here, should I find a new job during or after recession bros?

>> No.50415164

>>50395147
I'm renting a house in San Diego thirty minutes from the beach for 3100$ per month

>> No.50415217

>>50411466
growing an assload of basil and making pesto is a blast. it freezes perfectly. make sure to mortar and pestle the garlic separately first, and then one can just food-process everything else.

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Can someone explain these bags of chips?

>> No.50415325

>>50415273
what needs explaining?

>> No.50415363

>>50390811
I've never felt comfort like this before
T. Electrician
Fuck all of you smug low lives behind the counter

>> No.50415369

>>50415273
Why are they half empty

>> No.50415428

>>50398837
this

>> No.50415434

I build websites.
I buy Syscon
I create designs...
Of course there are several other lengthy ways to describe what I do but the act of communicating based on the other party's Intellectual Property is one of the best ways to display one's Intellectual diversity.

>> No.50415508

>>50398167
can't drink oil, can't eat money.

>> No.50415555

>>50398591
cheaper than usual actually, just noticed that.

>> No.50415574

>>50398898
lmao this is such bullshit. Donbass, yes. Romania though?

>> No.50415830

>>50398430
>Wings are the cheapest cut of chicken
In america wings are sometimes more expensive then tenderloin, probably because niggers

>> No.50415867

>>50415369
The extra air helps cushion the chips, resulting in less breaking, along with the convenient benefit of making it look like a larger amount. Do note that chip bags will have the weight of the product, and mention that the product is sold by weight, not volume.

>> No.50415960

>>50398342
Are you fucking retarded?
>the price shouldn't go up! You should change me the same amount for a shittier product!
kys

>> No.50416394

>>50396345
Yeah apples aren’t the same anymore as they were. Actually no food is the same. All processed food contains corn syrup and this is pretty much 70% of food available at grocery stores. The real food that is left has declined in quality as it has less nutrients than it used to. Meat quality too is generally poorer as most would get it from a local farmer/butcher.

>> No.50417862

>>50393174
underage

>> No.50418934

>>50395047
Shit, just looked it up. I found the non-stop growth of labor participation in 75 and older the most depressing factoid.

>> No.50419100

>>50394005
kek its the restaurant, dumbfuck

>> No.50419169

>>50395771
kek. also note the graph is using msrp. most dealerships are charging well over msrp for years old models