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Bearish Edition

>Brokers
https://pastebin.com/F1yujtVq
https://brokerchooser.com/

>Risk management:
https://pastebin.com/sqJUcbjp

>Live Streams:
http://www.livenewson.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.html
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-cnbc-live-stream-free-24-7/

>Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://exhentai.org/tag/character:Sakamata+Chloe
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain
https://www.thebalance.com/

>Options (do not trade these just because you read all these links)
https://www.optionsplaybook.com/options-introduction/
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com
https://optionstrat.com/
https://www.optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices

>Free charts:
https://www.tradingview.com
https://www.finscreener.com/
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/

>Screeners:
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener
https://etfdb.com/

>Pre-Market Data and Live data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://finance.yahoo.com/

>Bio-pharma Catalyst Calendar:
https://biopharmcatalyst.com

>Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

>Dividend Reinvestment (DRIP) calculator:
https://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator/

>Links for Crypto Cummies Commandos AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/
https://www.sprc.org/
https://bad-dragon.com/shop
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/suicide-prevention/index.shtml

>Calendars
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/calendar.htm
https://www.investing.com/dividends-calendar/
https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html

>Misc:
https://squeezemetrics.com/monitor
https://market24hclock.com/
https://tradingeconomics.com

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>> No.50254325
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All indicators show that this upcoming week is gonna be a massive dump,you'd have to be a bulltard to say otherwise.

>> No.50254361

>>50254328
It's mainly the twist the holiday put on the algos. We're set up to plummet

>> No.50254364

Bloomberg is bullish

We are for sure dumping next week. Monday will probably be green or crab, but after that it’s red all the way to Friday

>> No.50254377

>>50254325
tldnr

>> No.50254392

>>50254328
I sure hope so, Bobo.

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>>50254364
>Bloomberg is bullish
>We are for sure dumping next week


Please stop being racist and antisemitic.

>> No.50254428
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>>50254325
I support Direxion because they gave us BRKY.

>> No.50254463
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>>50254463
Now let's see what happens when money starts getting pulled from the markets due to fears and retirements

>> No.50254528
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>>50254296
How we feel about weed stocks? Safe long term?

>> No.50254543
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>>50251902
> /leanhogs/
This ETF is a certified BUY.

>> No.50254563
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Small Caps...

>> No.50254570
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>>50253516
isn't the problem with bugs basically that they look like bugs? assuming it's even true that they're healthy to eat, couldn't you just grind them up and process them into a better shape? like, just turn that shit into a paste and make a patty out of it or whatever shape you want, why would you literally put bugs on a pizza straight-up?

like, memes aside, what's wrong with eating bugs if they're processed and cooked? there's no diseases you can get from them, right? they're actually healthy for you, right? you can grind them up and form them into whatever shape you want instead of literally eating bugs straight-up, right? assuming all of these are true (idk if they are, but just for the sake of argument), what's the problem? again, memeing aside, i know it's fun to meme about but im curious about the serious ramifications of the idea. like, if you can argue that they're not actually healthy to eat or that they can't be processed into forms that are enjoyable to eat or they can give you diseases, those would be actual arguments i'd listen to.

>> No.50254576

>>50254528
bro, they are trying to take the nicotine out of tobacco

>> No.50254594

can someone explain why the recession is over?

>> No.50254597

>>50254570
>see carminic acid

>> No.50254603

>>50254570
>assuming it's even true that they're healthy to eat

Not all protein is the same. Some is obviously better for you.

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>>50254594
>over
It's barely starting

>> No.50254687

>>50254597
>>50254603
elaborate. if they're unhealthy and that's the problem then fine but i need convincing since im ignorant on the subject, besides the memes.

>> No.50254710
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>>50254597
i don't see the problem unless you're allergic.

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>>50254364
bullish for bears

>> No.50254731
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Is there a website or a database I can access that logs stock and company information? Like earnings report, revenue, total assests, etc.

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>>50254570
>like, memes aside, what's wrong with eating bugs if they're processed and cooked?
You can put a bug on the menu. Thats fine.
Telling people they HAVE to eat them and doing conspiracy shit to get beef and meat outlawed or scarce is gay.
If a bug restaurant goes out of business thats the free market. Schawb in a different country manipulating carbon taxes and regulations to fuck up meat production is not the free market

>> No.50254750

>>50254710
It isn't a problem, my point was that we are already doing it. You are already eating bugs.

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How high will SIGA go, anons?

>> No.50254769

>try to construct a delta gamma hedge thats long on theta
>read more and more
>short volume is long positions
>every 2nd order greek that matters is about gamma (delta depends on gamma, vanna affects gamma based on IV)
>IV up when liquidity is down
Ive come to the conclusion that while volatility is important, because youre long or short vega/IV movement, what youre actually trading is liqudity
Can any experienced optionsfags confirm or deny that?

>> No.50254774

>>50254733
i agree with everything you said, but none of that really detracts from the points i made.

>>50254750
it doesn't seem like a big deal though. like, you're not going to eat a bunch of live grubs or something, like the memes make it out to be. i was just looking to see if there was any solid argument against it besides the jokes.

>> No.50254789

>>50254733

It's like the electric cars. Pulling every dirty trick in the book to get people to drive less or to NOT drive has powered vehicles

>> No.50254791

>>50254774
if we are going to eat crickets, they are going to need to be prepared and not be called crickets otherwise you are going to have a lot of people that end up like that buzzfeed reporter that tried to eat bugs for a week.

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>>50254687
>elaborate

There's a reason people think free range meat is much better than eating animals that eat their own filth

>> No.50254815

>>50254791
Instinctually, we think of bugs as gross and unsanitary in the first world, and acknowledging eating them is a difficult psychological barrier to cross.

>> No.50254831

>>50254791
>end up like that buzzfeed reporter that tried to eat bugs for a week

what happened to them

>> No.50254860

>>50254831
sorry, it wasn't buzzfeed, it was vice

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ywx9y5/this-is-what-happens-when-you-eat-nothing-but-bugs-for-a-week

She couldn't stomach the reality of what she was doing and spent much of the time going hungry.

>> No.50254912

Enough about bugs.
Lets talk about SIGA.

>>50254766
$100 is the bear case.

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>>50254912
$100 for ~$10b market cap .. so $1000 for $100b market cap?

>> No.50254954

>>50254791
>if we are going to eat crickets, they are going to need to be prepared and not be called crickets

i agree completely, which is why i mentioned them being processed in my previous posts.

>couldn't you just grind them up and process them into a better shape? like, just turn that shit into a paste and make a patty out of it or whatever shape you want
>what's wrong with eating bugs if they're processed and cooked?
>you can grind them up and form them into whatever shape you want instead of literally eating bugs straight-up, right?

>> No.50254979

>>50254811
so where's the proof that bug protein is bad protein in some way? and in what ways would that be, specifically? where's the legit sources proving that bug protein is "incomplete" or whatever? not even saying you're wrong but, again, as im ignorant on the subject i need actual proof and sources and shit. and not, like, zerohedge sorts of sources.

>> No.50254984

>>50254954
They would need to call it something else. Like the way baby deer is called venison. Cricket protein will be called crisp. Did you make these burgers using crisp? Yeah, we used crisp.

>> No.50254989 [DELETED] 

>>50254979
dude im not eating the bugs
i dont even like lobster or crab

>> No.50254990

>>50254954
I know you agree you autist. I am agreeing with you and provided an example where this shit already happens.

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>>50254989
>lobster
How can you not like lobster?
Its objectively delicious

>> No.50255013

>>50254984
sure.

>>50254989
wtf? lobster, crab, shrimp, etc are all awesome.

>>50254990
>calls me an autist
>starts sperging out

lol. glad we agree though.

>> No.50255025

>>50255008
lobster is kind of tasteless compared to its crustation brethren that aren't crayfish

>> No.50255029

>>50254948
$100 for an $8bil marketcap.

>> No.50255035

>>50254979
sorry buddy the burden of proof is on you that my steak is inferior to your worms
>>50255025
are crayfish not flavorful? never had one but i always assumed they must be

>> No.50255056

>>50255035
I tried it once and it tasted bland, but that could have been how it was prepared. Whenever you see people prepare crayfish on tv though, they are dumping shitloads of spices into the pot.

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>>50254860

>> No.50255130
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what do you guys think about CPI releasing Wednesday? in June gas was pretty plateau'd where I live and food costs were stagnating too, so I'm not expecting much change from the previous report positive or negative honestly

>> No.50255134

Fuck ypu retards. I'm not eating the bugs.

>> No.50255143

>>50255134
Bearish for TSN

>> No.50255151

>>50255008
>>50255013
they're water bugs

>> No.50255168

>>50255143
I'll literally just eat cheap veggies or rice and beans before that happens

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TSLA will tank the index on monday. I hate Elon so much bros good thing you guys talked me out of my TWTR shares at the recent high

>> No.50255204

wen ppl sell options
the market gets less volatile
bc option dealers don't need to hedge as much
and we r seeing that rn
VIX line go down.

>> No.50255221

Do people generally not invest in leveraged ETFs? I made 2k off of CURE this last couple weeks but it has a very low volume

>> No.50255242

>>50254296
LOOOOOOOOL bearish? Cope bobo only up from here

>> No.50255291

I actually really like fried and seasoned grasshoppers but if you think I'd replace beef with bugs or bug protein you're out of your god-blessed mind. I don't give a shit if I have to raise the moomoo myself. Sincerely fuck you for even trying to push it.

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Boring relaxing day. Raining through most of it so far. Only excitement of the day was this morning when my Wife on her way back from kroger, got me a sausage biscuit w/egg and a coffee from McDonalds.

>> No.50255316

>>50255151
so? if anything that puts a point in favor of eating the bugs, not against it.

>> No.50255337

>>50254570
My caveman instincts tell me not to eat the bugs so I won't
You can't really trust the brain to make decisions, it can convince itself of anything

>> No.50255338

>>50255090
>random unsourced text on a jpg

wow im convinced!

>> No.50255343

>>50255294
There’s something about these posts that make me so unreasonably angry

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>Sincerely fuck you for even trying to push it.

>> No.50255407

>>50254769
this sounds interesting where'd you learn this stuff

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>>50255391
>not wanting to eat the bugs is somehow a leddit take
You're a faggot

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SIGA it’s the best
There is no contest
Gaysex on the rise
And to summarize
The pox is spreading
We all know where it’s heading
They try to shake us out
They kick the stock and shout
You have to sell this gem
You must stay poor you goyim
But I’m not selling
Quit your Jewish yelling
The gays will make me rich
So buy the stock you fucken bitch

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>>50255419
based
>They try to shake us out
We double down and buy more

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don't check btc bobo

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ATH's when?

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>>50255496
>btc
>relevant
>on a fucking saturday

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>>50255518

>> No.50255637

>>50255534
So you're waiting for a big contract. I can't stop seeing SIGA. I don't have SIGA, but I can't write it off. They're posting this stock on other boards and I'm starting to think it has enough eyes on it. Hmm, could be another UUUU though.

>> No.50255646

>>50254979
Not everything is boiled down to macro nutrients you braindead ape. You need all sorts of micronutrients and various enzymes to digest your food and feed the microbes in you gut to keep you healthy.
No one can quantify all those variables so in the end you have to make a guess at what could possibly be healthier.
Could something repulsive that causes fear reactions from most people be healthier than a mouth watering steak?
Gee I wonder.
If you want to prove so bad that bugs are just as healthy, then eat them and fuck off.
Ps Short everything.

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>>50255637
>could be another UUUU

>> No.50255677 [DELETED] 

VIX is an index that measures the market implied level of 1-month variance on the S&P 500, or the square root thereof (to put it back in units we are used to).
This is not the same as volatility. A variance swap’s payoff is proportional to volatility squared. If you are short a variance swap at 10%, and then realized volatility turns out to be 40%, you lose your notional vega exposure times 16 (= 40^2 / 10^2 ).
To compensate for this, an equity index variance swap level is usually 2-3 points above the corresponding at the money implied volatility. So don’t look at VIX versus realized vol and make statements about risk premium without recognizing this extreme tail risk.
The VIX is not a tradable index or total return index. You can buy all the options that go into the calculation of the VIX (look up the classic Derman paper if interested), but then you will start experiencing PnL from option decay and realized moves in the underlying.
And the next day you won’t have the right basket of options anymore and will have to rebalance them etc. The VIX just tells you the price of the current basket of options, not about the profitability of owning that basket.
Now, VIX futures give you linear exposure to the level of the VIX at some point in the future. If you buy the 6-month futures at 17, and VIX settles at 18 on expiration, you make one point (times the contract multiplier).
Some people confuse VIX futures with forward starting variance. They are very different. If you buy them at 17 and they go to 34, your PnL is 17. Forward variance has that squared term in the PnL. Vega exposure on a variance swap (PnL per 1 vol point) doubles when vol doubles.
VIX futures don’t have a model-free replicating portfolio in S&P options, they are just sort of their own thing. Dealers and vol arb managers have models for assessing their relative value compared to the S&P volatility surface and trade the spread when they see it rich or cheap.

1/n

>> No.50255690

VIX is an index that measures the market implied level of 1-month variance on the S&P 500, or the square root thereof (to put it back in units we are used to).

This is not the same as volatility. A variance swap’s payoff is proportional to volatility squared. If you are short a variance swap at 10%, and then realized volatility turns out to be 40%, you lose your notional vega exposure times 16 (= 40^2 / 10^2 ).

To compensate for this, an equity index variance swap level is usually 2-3 points above the corresponding at the money implied volatility. So don’t look at VIX versus realized vol and make statements about risk premium without recognizing this extreme tail risk.

The VIX is not a tradable index or total return index. You can buy all the options that go into the calculation of the VIX (look up the classic Derman paper if interested), but then you will start experiencing PnL from option decay and realized moves in the underlying.

And the next day you won’t have the right basket of options anymore and will have to rebalance them etc. The VIX just tells you the price of the current basket of options, not about the profitability of owning that basket.

Now, VIX futures give you linear exposure to the level of the VIX at some point in the future. If you buy the 6-month futures at 17, and VIX settles at 18 on expiration, you make one point (times the contract multiplier).

Some people confuse VIX futures with forward starting variance. They are very different. If you buy them at 17 and they go to 34, your PnL is 17. Forward variance has that squared term in the PnL. Vega exposure on a variance swap (PnL per 1 vol point) doubles when vol doubles.
VIX futures don’t have a model-free replicating portfolio in S&P options, they are just sort of their own thing. Dealers and vol arb managers have models for assessing their relative value compared to the S&P volatility surface and trade the spread when they see it rich or cheap.

1/n

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>>50255662

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>>50255637
>Hmm, could be another UUUU though
Monkepox is the next plandemic and SIGA is the next Moderna

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>>50255677
>>50255690

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>>50255130
I don't know anything about macro economics. I just ride the waves.

>> No.50255726

>>50255690
But they are hyper liquid and primarily used by market makers to hedge the delta of the ViX options, which are the primary end user product. Large asset managers use VIX options extensively for hedging and speculation.

VIX options cash settle against the special quotation of the VIX Index, but their underlying is really the VIX futures; each maturity of options is priced off of, and hedged with, the future of the same maturity.

The VIX futures term structure is normally in contango (upward sloping), which is its way of manifesting volatility risk premium. If you buy a vix future, it will act like a portfolio hedge (rising if markets fall), so you pay for that via rolldown on the futures curve.

The options inherit that rolldown, because the futures are their underlyings. A 6-month call option will be priced with respect to the 6-month future, which in a normal market environment is probably trading 3-4 points above VIX spot.

If your 6-month option shows as 20 delta on your screen, that delta is with respect to the 6 month future, not the VIX Index. So if VIX spikes from 15 to 25 and the six month future spikes from 18 to 20, your call will be up 0.40 (plus likely a bump from vol of vol).

Now let's talk about VIX ETP's.

These are the most commonly used retail products on VIX. The most popular one, VXX, always owns the 1st and 2nd future with a weighted average maturity of 1 month (“constant maturity 1-month”).

You get the defensiveness of VIX futures and pay the typical rolldown over time. Often you see people post long term charts of the split adjusted price of VXX; it’s not really that interesting, long vol tends to lose money over time, just like a short stocks or credit position.

You should evaluate the performance over long periods of time of a constant amount of risk, or dollar notional, of VXX; not of a single share. The latter is pretty meaningless.

2/n

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SIGA bros…

>> No.50255760

>>50255696
>the next plandemic
From a likelihood standpoint I don't think that's possible. It would have to be some evil villain shit. I could see it being as serious as H1N1, maybe. But not MRNA gains

>> No.50255777

>>50255726
It’s like having an insurance policy that starts out as a $1mm policy, but has a $100k max lifetime spend, and as you pay premium over time you shrink the policy proportionally so that you never exceed your max spend. After a while you have a $1k policy, then a $10 policy.

And if your house burns down you’ll only recover 10 bucks ... that would be a crazy way to run or evaluate an insurance policy

VXX still might be an overly expensive way to protect an equity portfolio a lot of the time, but the right way to evaluate that is to understand what it’s cost of carry is and how that’s related to the persistent slope of the term structure, not looking at a long term price graph

The inverse ETPs (like XIV) were the opposite of VXX, shorting a constant maturity 1 month VIX futures portfolio. While one share of VXX reduces its long volatility position as it bleeds, XIV perpetually increased its short volatility position as it went up in price...

And on a day where VIX futures go up, XIV’s NAV would go down and it had to sell VIX futures to reduce risk. It’s also a very leveraged thing relative to S&P, given how volatile VIX futures are in a large selloff. So that did not go very well once XIV became big.

By late 2017, its size was such large VIX spike would force XIV and the other inverse and leveraged ETfs to buy many times the average daily volume worth of VIX futures right before the futures close , to reduce their risk back to the correct levels relatice to their NAV.

So that ended up inevitably with volmaggedon on 2/5/18. The timing was uncertain but we who followed these markets closely had been saying for years that this kind of event was inevitable given the market microstructure.

Now those leveraged and inverse ETPs are much smaller and generally directional positioning in ETPs is far less offsides. So the risk of that kind of a technical VIX blowup is much lower in the meantime.

3/4

>> No.50255811
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>>50255760
>engineered to be vaccine-resistant
>revelation of terror group origin - infiltration of civilian bio lab
monkepox is a major happening. it's a continuation of the great reset

>> No.50255818

>>50255646
>Not everything boils down to macronutrients
>It's unquantifiable OK?
What 'bug proteins' are surviving gastric fluid? I won't even ask you to quantify them, at least NAME them though?

You are actively damaging your case by trying to appeal to chemistry and then backtracking immediately.

>> No.50255830
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50255830

>>50255758

>> No.50255859

>>50255008
They were fed to prisoners and were considered cockroaches of the sea.

>> No.50255875

>>50255758
im not gay, so not my problem. looks like Jesus is setting another plague upon them, oh well.

>> No.50255885

>>50255758
he looks like a demon

>> No.50255889

>>50255777
Common questions to vol arb traders:
>What do you look for between VIX futes, options, SPX options, and ETPs to find inefficiencies to trade?
That's the secret sauce, of course. VIX ETPs generally are extremely efficient with respect to the underlying VIX futures, as you would expect, so you might use one or the other to implement your views depending on what is easier for you

>SPX obviously impacts VIX values and trading, but is the converse true? Can VIX trading and hedging with futes or anything of the sort impact SPX in any way?

Large buying of VIX futures or delta in the options will start to move S&P forward vol; large buying of crashy upside in VIX will start to move crashy downside S&P vol.

Hope people find this at least slightly useful to elucidate the looking glass into the weird world of volatility trading and how it interacts with stocks.

>> No.50255892
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50255892

>>50255875
Do you poop in public? Do you touch handrails? elevator buttons? ride public transportation? shop at a grocery store?...

>> No.50255903

>>50254769
Bro if you're not automating that strat, you will lose money, because you won't actually be hedged. If you properly hedge, the profit is absolutely miniscule, because HFT firms eat your lunch.

If you don't have like 2 different math PhDs, just stick to directional bets (it can be high gamma tho), or simple hold + theta farming.

>what youre actually trading is liqudity
What does this even mean. You are betting on liquidity getting higher or lower?

>> No.50255922

>>50255889
>Hope people find this at least slightly useful to elucidate the looking glass into the weird world of volatility trading and how it interacts with stocks.

i read it anon, thanks. what is the overall point you're trying to make?

>> No.50255927

>>50255892
delete this racist. dont be so homophobic dumb chud

>> No.50255932

>>50255892
I don’t do any of those things. Maybe shop at a grocery store but I stay away from everyone and don’t live in a big city.

>> No.50255953

Quick reminder that SIGA is a jewish psy op

>> No.50255957

The entire market will be bloody red on Monday. If you didn't buy puts and think the bottom is in, you're playing the game wrong. This recession will be worse than '08.

>> No.50255972

*wags tail* woof

>> No.50255974
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>>50255932
>someone with pox hands touches a milk carton, sets it back
>you pick up that milk carton within 90 hrs
>you've now acquired the bioweapon

>> No.50256002
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50256002

I haven't been here for like 2 weeks. Are people still spamming those Gayhorse-tier SIGA wojak edits? They were pretty cringe.

The analysis is retarded beyond even /biz/ standards.

>> No.50256007

>>50255972
*chews his KFC chicken even louder*

>> No.50256026

>>50255974
NO NO NO
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS LITERALLY YOUR OWN PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY OK? Everything good that happens in my life is because I'm a good person, I am NOT just lucky!

>> No.50256055

>>50256007
Niggas afforden fried chicken? gimme dat nomsayn

>> No.50256072

>>50254769
Seriously, like >>50255903 says, you need to be able to dynamically hedge with "Delta Bands" which is HFT. You need a 20+ point model for that to account for volatility exposures too. Second + third orders.

>>every 2nd order greek that matters is about gamma (delta depends on gamma, vanna affects gamma based on IV)


NO! The most important greek exposure is vegas/vol. It is the "x" factor in options. That is why options traders say that trading options is not for trading deltas (gammas thereby as a consequence since gamma is dspot) and rather you're trading volatility.

>Ive come to the conclusion that while volatility is important, because youre long or short vega/IV movement, what youre actually trading is liqudity

Deny. Look at what I said above.

You need to delta hedge to remain neutral. If you hedge perfectly (and other unrealistic assumptions) you will earn or lose the difference between the vol you bought/sold and the realized vol. This stuff in many books, it's the most basic pure vol trading method. Read up.

Vol Nodes. He Doesn't Know About The Vol Nodes. Lol.

>> No.50256131

>>50256072
>Vol Nodes. He Doesn't Know About The Vol Nodes. Lol.

Wait, are you CRBPajeet, or just a fan?

>> No.50256186

>>50256131
CRBP is 0.30 now, up from 0.20 so pretty impressive.

>> No.50256189

>>50255892
If you rub your dick copiously against the toilet seat or the handle it could be a problem. Or open wounds.

>> No.50256192

thoughts on BOIL?

>> No.50256194

>>50256072
>Janny at Ren Tech
No you’re fucking not.
They only hire faggots with PhDs in signal processing n sheeeeeiiiiitt

>> No.50256300

>>50255690
>>50255726
>>50255777
>>50255889
https://youtu.be/k0qmkQGqpM8

>> No.50256311

>>50255927
is chud one of those hindi curse words you guys like to use so much?

>> No.50256326

>>50256194
RenTech hires mostly physics PhD's for their options desks. Virtuosos. Me, I just clean up their shit and steal the cocaine from the crediting departments while mopping the floors.

If you’re interested in Renaissance, I think it works this way (from what I've overheard while masturbating into the receptionist's panties in the janitor's closet back in 2019):

They analyze a bunch of quant signals en-masse over a wide universe of equities and commodities (e.g. high volume producing momentum over last 3 trading days, short interest moving baskets of stocks, growth factor outperforming in the last 4 days, etc.). Then, they score these signals, and a master arbiter weights each of these strategies which then become trades. Simple models and signals, but a thousand simple models make one complex model. This is why back in the 2000s it took them almost 2 weeks to figure out why they were losing too much money (normally, debugging a model takes less than a day; it should be evident why a strategy fails) since they had to deconstruct the master model and figure out which constituent minor models were responsible for losses. FWIW, It turned out that they were betting too much on momentum at the time.

RenTech's flagship fund, Medallion, bets mostly on commodities these days (by Simons’ admission). I think coffee futures are a popular weapon of choice for them (of course not the only instrument that they trade).

They’ve also invested (pun intended) years of work into closing the gap between theory and practice, that is, a backtested model may illuminate profitable strategies, but when executed in the market, it falls short. They called this “the devil”; you might recognize this in other terms like “slippage”. Over time they’ve acknowledged the risks of slippage and have confined themselves to trading strategies that are attractive in theory AND in practice.

>> No.50256338

>>50256189
>implying dick is the only part of your body where pox can be acquired
midwit retard

>> No.50256348
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50256348

Post em
>/biz/
>/fit/
>/out/
>/tv/

>> No.50256362

>>50255922
>i read it anon, thanks. what is the overall point you're trying to make?
Just to be didactic. I overhear a lot of things as janitor at Renaissance Technologies. I'm a serial eavesdropper (and masturbator).

>> No.50256397

>>50256338
Most people don't deep throat the toilet seat, but you do you.

>> No.50256438

>>50256326
I still don’t believe you, but you do sound like you’ve done some decent research here, so props for that.

>>50256362
I’m fairly convinced this is John rocker

>> No.50256450

>>50256362
nta but thank you. As Chair of the Federal Reserve, I always try to learn more and you seem to have a very valuable perspective.

>> No.50256464

Huh, I'll be damned. I basically buried BB here last year, because I stopped seeing any RFQs with QNX mentioned (I work in automotive Sw). I have seen like 2 just last week from different OEMs, and just saw this.

This is actually a big deal and might save BB from actual bankruptcy and give some juicy revenue for the next decade.
So if you think this is the bottom and want to get back to retarded tech, this is a good bet.

>>50256192
Let's hope >>50256066 doesn't happen. Otherwise the only direction natgas can go right now is up.

>>50256450
Mr. Powell, pls do a surprise 100bps hike. My TSLA puts are bleeding.

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50256493

It's so tiresome

>> No.50256512

>>50256464
Post 500k fake jobs on Indeed and you got it.

>> No.50256532

>>50256438
it's the CRBPajeet dummy

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50256556

>>50256493

>> No.50256641
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50256641

>>50256464
Fuck I forgot the pic

>>50256512
I wish it was that simple :C

>> No.50256674

>>50256131
>>50256532
> CRBPajeet
I'm not whoever this is, but it's good to know this trading general is a tight knit community.

>> No.50256691

>>50256438
>I still don’t believe you, but you do sound like you’ve done some decent research here, so props for that.
It's mostly just eavesdropping. Putting bits and pieces together from what I hear.

>> No.50256730

>>50256493
I saw ad for hotdog with mealworms on top at Calgary Stampede yesterday. I wonder if anyone will buy that shit. Guessing no. Bug eaters will object to the hotdog, hotdog eaters will object to the bugs.

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50256751

>>50256512
https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-offers-concessions-to-fend-off-u-s-antitrust-lawsuit-11657296591
>Employers added 372,000 jobs in June, the Labor Department said Friday

Despite all the REEEing from tech employees about “accelerating” lay-offs, it seems like the labor market actually tightened over the last month.

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50256759

Not sure about this one, nat gas might make a run for this week again because of a LNG terminal is shut down for the forseeable future due to the EPA and Biden.

>> No.50256772

>>50256751
raping continues until unemployment gives out.

>> No.50256804

>>50256772
That’s what I’m saying, niqqa
The TSLA puts anon might just get his 100bps rape hike

>> No.50256909

SIGA pajeets don't ever post graps of the pox deaths, wonder why

>> No.50256914
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50256914

SIGA Chad's, the tiktoks have begun
https://www.tiktok.com/@lonelyshrk/video/7114737845021150510

>> No.50256927

>>50256751
takes a while for jobs to stop getting filled after hiring is frozen bro. my company froze hiring at the start of the year and is still filling positions that we were short on. only shit companies will do things like revoke offers and delete listings that they already put out.

>> No.50256948

>>50256311
A Chud is like the American version of a Norf.

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50256955

>>50256909
Hey retard, still not buying siga or cmrx? That rash and pain that comes with the pox is unbearable. Kids 10 years and younger have a 37% mortality. There has been 4 deaths, 9k infections so far

>> No.50256966

Ive seen some bad weekend /smg/ threads but I have to be honest here. This one is definately the worse ever.

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>>50256966

>> No.50256979
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50256979

lol. lmao.

>> No.50256994

>>50256955
holy shit 4 whole deaths? A virus that generally only spreads among fags? shut everything down and buy SIGA

>> No.50257028

>>50256955
If it isn't airborne it'll never get off the ground. Classic nothingburger media fear mongering to sell ad space.

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50257041

>>50256994
Imagine thinking they won't shut it down after looking at a pox cock. Stay poor retard

>> No.50257051

holyshit I hope we dump next week or I'm going to lose every dollar I earned shorting

>> No.50257053

>>50257041
not buying your bags pajeet

>> No.50257059

>>50257028
It is airborne, 50 + mutations

>> No.50257084

>>50256927
>takes a while for jobs to stop getting filled after hiring is frozen bro.
Usually recruiters stop at any point prior to the offer stage when a freeze occurs from what I’ve heard
So the headcount of the company should immediately start seeing attrition after the final extended offer is closed out, which should take a couple weeks at most
>my company froze hiring at the start of the year and is still filling positions that we were short on.
That sounds absurd.
A hiring freeze is a fucking freeze.
You’re supposed to stop hiring.
I think your company just isn’t doing it right?
>only shit companies will do things like revoke offers and delete listings that they already put out
That’s true.
The lay-offs from the shit companies that can’t do headcount planning properly should still have had an impact on that federal reserve jobs report though

>> No.50257093

>>50257051
If there's anything I learned over the last 3 years it's don't reinvest 100% of your profits.

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50257113

>>50257059
Lol no it's not. Also daily case counts are at most linearly increasing, super slowly.
I'll have to jump onto tin futures again, because schizophrenia seems to be on the rise again.

>> No.50257116

>>50257059
>respiratory secretions during prolonged, face-to-face contact, or during intimate physical contact, such as kissing, cuddling, or sex
lmao yeah bro it's airborne just like covid

>> No.50257135

>>50257084
no scoops, generally a hiring freeze means no new net employees, so if someone is let go or quits, you can replace them

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50257177

>>50257116
>>50257113
Stay poor losers

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50257215

>>50256326
interesting anon. I'm a vehicle dynamic eng. and I had to study a lot about modeling and shit. Before we came with all the hype around ML and AI, there was Fuzzy logic and neural network. and these are just what you describe, simple "models" (aka functions) and put them together to get something useful.
What's easier in vehicle dynamic is the physic part of it since it describes how the world works (analytically). So while it's easier to predict, there are still tons correction factors (or gains) that needs to be tuned depending on your noise distribution. I could guess that the magic on these model mostly resides on tuning corrections factors here and there.

>> No.50257241

>>50257135
Oh.
That’s gay.
What I’ve read made it sound like you can no longer crack into a company that is on a hiring freeze.
I’ll look into this more

>> No.50257295 [DELETED] 

anyone trade mostly etf’s? is there enough non correlated movement for good opportunities frequently? like even if market is crabbing maybe there is some obscure direxion™ etf which has some action

>> No.50257326

>>50256927
Techs already doing that to grads

>> No.50257331

>>50257135
We got hiring freeze+no replacement. One of my colleague is quitting this month and my superior is freaking because he was handling a lot of issue. The CEO came back at him and said "no, the economic situation is shit, just deal with it".
t. backend semi supplier
also downcycle has started for semi

>> No.50257375

>>50257331
meanwhile i work at a big 5 defense contractor and we cant hire enough people
if you need a job just join the military industrial complex bros

>> No.50257388
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50257388

How can I tell what fund rate has been "priced in" by the bond market.
I'm a retard, so if any big brainer could explain how and why in a retard-friendly way that would be awesome.

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50257408

>>5025733
are you it's gonna get worse for soxl baggies?

>> No.50257419

>>50257241
It will depend on the company, but generally it means no new generic hires... so no newgrads and no new headcount for headcount's sake. If they have specific skill needs, then exceptions can be made. If someone leaves, then exceptions can be made to backfill, depending on criticality. Unless you're this guy >>50257331 which just sucks

>>50257375
I might be looking to get back into defense.... can you get me a job on a military base in the middle of the desert with no one else around except other nerds? I used to be a glowie and had a TS/SCI clearance, though it's currently inactive...

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50257455

Anyone here buying some brokered CDs? I see T bills pay more but they seem confusing to buy...

>> No.50257458

>>50257419
unironically, yes i could

>> No.50257477
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50257477

>Futas

>> No.50257491

>>50257084
hiring freeze (at least for us) means not adding new positions, not telling people to fuck themselves after you already started recruiting or sent offers for existing ones
i'm also not getting as many recruiter emails since a month or two
at the start of the year i was getting flooded with linkedin messages and cold emails

>> No.50257522

>>50257388
1yr bond rate is ~3% so ~3%

>> No.50257526

>>50257458
Fuck I just signed a new lease... though I'd break it for the right opportunity. Earliest I can move to the desert is late September, cause my family is coming to visit me. You can get that sweet referral bonus. I used to work on glowie satellite stuff, then worked at a FAGMAN, now I'm at a silly startup

>> No.50257566

>>50257526
yeah startup might be dangerous. if it were me though id probably milk the sweet startup money until it looks like its ending, defense pays solid but not like fagman or tech startups for senior engineers (i assume)

>> No.50257631

>>50257522
So the market thinks that the fed fund rate will be 3% one year from now?

>> No.50257634

>>50254296
What kind of spy puts should I buy?

>> No.50257640
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50257640

>>50254364
Cramer is bullish for this next six months
It's over

>> No.50257645

>>50257566
Yeah, I know the money won't be as good, but the work is more interesting. I don't get to crawl around on KC-130s and poke at missiles while working on backend services at this shitty marketing tech company.

>> No.50257664

>>50257645
well if you unironically want a referral just ask about it in these threads, i dont read them all but i read a lot of them. we can keep it anonymous for as long as thats feasible if youre serious
and since you sound like youre senior engineer you KNOW im being serious since i want that sweet referral bonus. good luck bro

>> No.50257670

>>50257640
confirmed, were crashing further

>> No.50257677

>>50257634
otm expiring in < 1 week

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50257883

>>50257053
The door is open.

>> No.50257893

>>50257331
Explain down cycle.

>> No.50257920

>>50257631
It thinks it should be 3% now. The fed prints money to keep base rate lower than market. Therefore, to stop inflation the fed needs to raise their base rate closer to market.

>> No.50258029
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50258029

>>50257388
the fed doesnt control interest rates, they set the fed funds rate, which signals to the bond market that fiscal tightening is here. in addition, bond investors negotiate yields based on economic growth and inflation expectations. the fed is lagging tightening now. fed members have said they want to be between 3-4%. and could be "restrictive" would would err more on the side of 4% or more.

>> No.50258045

>>50255407
Look at the op post about squeezemetrics one of the last links. As other replies pointed out, I didnt quite grasp it.
But its interesting think about the backend, what actually happens when you buy/sell shit and how MMs and HFTs process it.

>>50255690
Thanks for your posts. While I dont fully understand the mechanics, or intend to profit from delta gamma hedging, I wanted to see how things are structured. Partly acadamia, partly to understand how it ticks because even if I dont play the same strategy I can see how big plays might affect the market

>> No.50258052

/pol/ is doing something kinda funny kinda stupid. Expect 4chan to be shut down for treason in two weeks.

>> No.50258076
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50258076

>>50258052
i just invest in VTI monthly but i need /smg/ so i distract myself from suicide.

>> No.50258100
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50258100

whats the best way to bet on US natural gas prices? I want to bet ONLY on US natty gas. UNG etf does not work because it includes european gas

i need a pure US natural gas play

>> No.50258102

>>50258076
Seyonara then friend v

>> No.50258109

>>50258052
Elaborate

>> No.50258121
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50258121

>>50258052
idk pol seems based recently rip abe tho

>> No.50258137

>>50258052
is this the biden phone? is that a new leak or something?

>> No.50258139
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50258139

>>50258029
>the fed doesnt control interest rates,

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>>50258100
Are you sure about that? https://www.uscfinvestments.com/ung says it's only Henry Hub.

FWIW, all the ETFs listed here use (indexes based off of) HH: https://etfdb.com/etfs/commodity/natural-gas/

But if you want to get really fine grained about specific months, you can always enable futures trading on your account. Your broker may do some income and knowledge testing for that though.

>> No.50258169

>>50258139
he's right tho

>> No.50258174

fuck robinhood just niggered my instant deposit
do they throw a pissfit if you go negative with unsettled funds?

>> No.50258177

>>50258100
Buy EQT or its US pure-play friends.

>> No.50258198

>>50258109
They are supposedly cracked and on hunter bidens phone.

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50258209

Since I got covid last week I have done nothing but play Horizon Zero Dawn every day for over 12 hours each day.

>> No.50258212

>>50258137
They are currently on it and reading messages. Not sure how far they can go.

>> No.50258213

>>50258169
They can buy all the bond they want.
How do they not control bond rates?
Look at the BOJ.

>> No.50258250

>>50258209
Covid is nothing m8, worst part for me was just the fatigue. I took like 4 naps one day and still slept like normal at night.

>> No.50258267
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is bobo sweating yet?

>> No.50258279

How do I long the liberal gommunist furry gatherings called renaissance festivals

>> No.50258286

>>50258139
the fed doesnt not set T-bill rates, it does not set t-bond rates, it does not set mortgage rates. the fed can have a light influence on rates, but the drivers of interest rates are economic growth and expected inflation. bond investors arent going to give out loans if inflation is at 8% and they return is 2%.

>> No.50258287
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50258287

>>50258109
>>>/pol/386020927

just dug around and found this.

>In case of an investigation by any federal entity or similar, I do not have any involvement with this group or with the people in it, I do not know how I am here, probably added by a thrid party, I do not support any actions by the member of this group.

>> No.50258289

>>50258162
>henry hub only
hmm ok, i mustve had outdated information. perhaps UNG can work. I use Fidelity for trading and they don't have access to futures markets

>>50258177
>EQT
added to my stock watchlist, thanks. was looking for something smaller cap than 12bn$ but if they have liquid options i might be able to make that work

>> No.50258295

>>50258250
I have an underlying health condition so they had to give me antivirals.

>> No.50258296

>>50258286
>the fed doesnt not set T-bill rates
They own like 50% of the short end float if you include RRP transactions retard

>> No.50258298

>>50258267
when is cpi? and who do you think is shorting?

>> No.50258305
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50258305

>>50258267
Did you say bear market rally?

>> No.50258310

>>50258267

idk, listen to some meme chart or earnings which are going to be 30-40% off estimates?

>> No.50258318

>>50258296
This lol. Shit, remember when everyone sperged out about TIPS rates when I own like a quarter of that market?

>> No.50258324
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50258324

>>50257893
The semi industry is cyclical, and the equipment suppliers are dependent on it. the last downturn was 2018, and since then we had 3 years of uninterrupted growth. The covid crash actually played out in our favor since the fabs were slowing, we could bring more tools in without disturbing the production too much. Since then it was hot as hell and all the tooling companies were overbooked.
Earlier this year our CFO pulled a chart showing we were at the peaking since already 6 months, but he couldn't tell accurately when we start going down. At that time we still got tons of order from China (which is the main purchaser across all boards) but now China is silent. Unfortunately I don't have the screenshot of our pipeline order and trends, but I could get it once I'm at work.
The semi industry is itself divided in subcategories which has its own cycles. for ex. in 2015 China killed the LED market by doing overproduction. that's why it's not trivial to pick any chip manufacturer stock, as they all have their specialties.

>> No.50258331

>>50258198
>>50258287
/pol/ has done much more than that nothing is gonna happen

>> No.50258332
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50258332

>>50258286
That's enough.

>> No.50258337

>>50258289
There are a ton of other gas frackers out there, smolcaps too.

>>50258267
None of those green lines happened during a high inflation recession.
Also
- the first line in 2015 preceded a 1 year kangaroo market
- the line in 2006 was just 2 years before the housing crash, and it took 7 years to recover to that price.
- no line before le ebin coof poomp

That metric is fooking useless m8

>> No.50258347

>>50258267
i don't know if stocks are going up or down, but my hunch is we still have a bit more downward. Until we see Apple get re-evaluated, the bottom is unlikely to be in and I just don't see people buying 1000usd phones every year like they used to when they're basically the same fucking thing.

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50258361

>>50256300

>> No.50258368

>>50258332
>>50258296
>>50258318
bond yields went up before the fed, believing the fed is this all powerful entity means you are new to investing, and it shows

>> No.50258375

>>50258267
>>50258310
exactly. we have to go through earning and revised guidance first. that's gonna bring down the market again

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50258379

Red pill me on brky

>> No.50258387

>>50258267
>only shows last 15 years
zoom out

>> No.50258393

>>50258368
>bond yields went up before the fed,
Because the FED stopped buying meaning they ALLOWED the rates to rise ipso facto having full control over the rates.

>> No.50258425

>>50258393
yields went up in mid 2021, while they were still buying anon. if the fed accounts for all this QE and yield curve control, how did rates get away from them before they even signalled anything. dont give them so much credit, why would they allow the 10YR to be inverted? what happened, i thought the fed literally controlled the entire credit market

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>>50258379
Lemons are good investment for breakfast

>> No.50258471

>>50258425
>>50258393
>>50258368
>>50258332

why are you overcomplicating this shit? Bond yields are a function of:

a. Inflation expectations
b. growth expectations

the bond market has priced in peak inflation, and the growth narrative is obvious as this point. The fed can't do anything about the curve inversion. the 10 year is done and will be 2% by the end of the year. They can cut rates and bring the 2 year down, but idk how inflation expectations would change from that, taking us back to square one

>> No.50258478

>>50258425
>yields went up in mid 2021, while they were still buying anon
If they want to bring rates down they just buy more if they want them up they buy less or stop buying, literally control the whole credit market.
Just look at the BOJ.

>> No.50258514

>>50258478

the fed doesn't engage in YCC, and they don't have to. Believe it or not, the bond market still believes Powell has credibility, and they respond to what he says. The fed wants lower rates and is going to get them by suffocating the economy, destroying both inflation and growth

>> No.50258623

>>50258174
just pay 5 dollars for gold

>> No.50258632

>>50254528
>safe long term
There are literally no profitable weed companies, so you tell me

>> No.50258633
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50258633

>>50258209
Play monster hunter world instead

thank me later

>> No.50258634

>>50258514
>the fed doesn't engage in YCC.
They don't but they will, once you interfere in the free market aka FED doing QE it either ends up with the FED being the only buyer aka YCC or they ALLOW free market rates by staying out of the market. Everything between the QE start and YCC or ALLOWING the free market to set the rates is just buying time.
They have FULL CONTROLL over the credit markets.

>> No.50258649

>>50258267
Fuck I closed one of my soxl leaps on Friday.

>> No.50258714
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50258714

If I buy a 3month treasury bill that pays 1.845%... after 3 months I get 1.845%? or is that annually so I'd make 1/4 that?

>> No.50258732

SIGA not just biotech, but BIOtech+Defense = BioDefense. Do you know what you have? I do. The height of it is that it is backed by the US government. No Kidding, soon retail will be running heads over heels to get this stock in the hundreds per share.

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50258742

>>50258267
>>>50258298 >>50258305 >>50258310 >>50258337 >>50258347 >>50258375 >>50258387 >>50258649
why is this chart being posted as bull hopium when theres literally an example of this large of a short positioning % occurring almost directly before a huge crash, and the bottom of the only actual crash on that chart looks completely different than this supposed bottom?

>> No.50258802

>>50258052
>Shutting down one of their biggest honeypots and cutting themselves off from intelligence
Lol. Lmao even.

>> No.50258840

>>50258714
Annual

>> No.50258888

>>50258742
Theres 3 years difference between your light blue and dark blue circles.. completely unrelated

>> No.50258897

>>50256914
i learn more about monkepoz from /smg/ than /pol/

>> No.50258906

>>50254594
>recession
What recession? When did it begin? I didn't see the government or Powell announcing it.

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50258912

>>50258732
I have a few grand worth, but I don’t know if I’d go that far.

>> No.50258913

>>50258840
thanks, that makes sense. so (just for easy numbers) if you put 1M into a 3month t-bill that paid 1.845%, you'd get 4,612.5 in interest after the 3 months (or rather 1/4 of 1.845%)?

>> No.50258919
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50258919

bullish for BASF, ThyssenKrupp and other companies that can't function without gas

>> No.50258993

>>50258919
I got your "natural gas" right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FRPoJIrlI

>> No.50259025

>>50258379
buy in november

>> No.50259033
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50259033

Is it better to buy Tesla or Dwac next week?

>> No.50259049

>>50259033
TSLA to the mooon!!

>> No.50259130

Why don’t we build more manufacturing in Mexico rather than buying our cheap shit from China? Wouldn’t it make sense to help fix Mexico while still getting fairly cheap labor?
I’ve always wondered. We could keep more of them there while providing a bit better standard of living. Why bros? Why do we need China when we have a huge 3rd world right underneath us?

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>>50259049
>TSLA to the mooon

SHHEEEEESSSSHHH

>> No.50259149
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50259149

How do I into passive income?

Is the tax lien anon still around?
What about the anon with the wife he takes to anime conventions?

>> No.50259150

>>50259130
>we

>> No.50259158
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50259158

>>50259130
because Mexico makes its money by trafficking humans and drugs through our borders.

Maybe better to have India do it.

>> No.50259161

I miss my ex, fuck

>> No.50259168

>>50259150
I’m speaking to my fellow Amerimutts. Sorry if that doesn’t include you, foreign bro.

>> No.50259172

>>50259149
>How do I into passive income?
renting property to other people

>> No.50259183

>>50254570
There's a few issues. The bugs could be eating plants that are toxic to humans. The bugs could be living in and eating plants that have pesticide on them, so you eat the pesticide when you eat them. And you eat the entire bug, including their poop. Apparently they try to get the bug to poop by forcing it to swim in water before shipping it as food.

>> No.50259187

>>50259172
What he said. Or owning millions of dollars of divvy stock.

>> No.50259197
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50259197

>>50259172
but I'm priced out

>> No.50259203

>>50259130
Chinkland's success is mostly them devaluing the Yuan. Chinks gets paid like shit in USD (like 2 bucks an hour) but the Yuan can just buy more stuff than the USD. So labour costs less and they don't mind getting paid so little. Mexicans will threaten to unionize or strike or whatever and chinks won't.

>> No.50259204

>>50259130
within the last 5 years it has become more cost advantageous to produce in other countries such as Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, etc
China is becoming too expensive
it's all about where can it be produced and shipped to consumers at the lowest price, for the greatest profit - this naturally occurs / is the free market (and should not be fought)

>> No.50259226

>>50259161
me too bro

>> No.50259260

>>50259204
>and should not be fought
it should
lockdown supply chain breakdowns are like 90% of the reason we're experiencing hyperfinlation now
muh putin and muh gas are a dogwhistle to distract from the fact that a globalized economy is detrimental to everybody and leads to poverty, social unrest and civil war (see sri lanka as a recent example)
we need nationalization

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>>50259226
>>50259161
I don't. I have traded in my black gf for a Latina, and then recently upgraded to a white girl.

I just need to get rid of my dog now. Had him for 6 years. Gonna miss this little nigga like you wouldn't believe.

btw chewy or gme next week

>> No.50259326

>prison reits
is this the cloest I can get to owning slaves in the modern age

>> No.50259345

>>50259326
just buy KSA.

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50259374

>>50254296
How do I make money from what's happening in Holland?

>> No.50259386

>>50259197
Buy reits then. But if you’re priced out of property, you’re priced out of passive income. You have to make it before you make it.

>> No.50259389

>>50259149
The office ladies at work never do this. I have a pair in mind who should.

>> No.50259395

>>50259203
>Mexicans will threaten to unionize or strike or whatever and chinks won't.
Ah ain’t that the truth. Good point.

>> No.50259398

>>50259374
Start investing in tulip futures

>> No.50259420

>>50259374
Talk to someone about getting paid to put your finger in the dike

>> No.50259422

So are we getting a sharp bounce or dump this week, I want my sqqq to print

>> No.50259434
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50259434

>>50259422
we're primed for a face ripping rally so no.

>> No.50259441

>>50259386
reits are based but ironically enough residential is the worst
buy industrial and specialty communications

>> No.50259442

>>50259374
>Restaurant
>Nice clothes
>Eye contact
>Woman
Everything about this image triggers my anxiety.

>> No.50259449
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50259449

>>50259422
pretty trash volume this past week so my bet is on dump sooner rather than later. could go as high as 400 before we go back down though, there is that gap at 399 after all

>> No.50259450

>>50258623
happened cuz i took my free gold

>> No.50259476

>>50259395
Genuinely, the Yuan being debased while every currency post Bretton Woods being fiat was such a fucking power move, whoever was behind it was a genius.

>> No.50259486

>>50259441
Industrial and commercial reit is about to skeet skeet skeet with the fed made recession.

>> No.50259512

>>50259476
what? the yuan is fiat. i dont understand your post

>> No.50259538

>>50259486
No more than residential will. And as long as you are investing in companies with good growing profits if anything their growth will just slow.

>> No.50259542

>>50259512
Yes but not inflationary, every other currency is inflationary

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50259553

>>50254328

>> No.50259561

>EU watches to reduce its own greenhouse gas
>its seeking to buy "green hydrogen" from Namibia
>its green for Europe because the Africans make the pollution
Every day this year I am astounded by how retarded the entire continent of Europe can be

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50259580

>>50254328
Call me whatever you want. You cant change destiny.

>> No.50259581

>>50259542
how? and what difference does it make if they purposefully devalue it, isnt that the same effect as inflation? because i know thats what they do to keep wages low to attract foreign industry

>> No.50259593

This is the first time since the start of the year I have literally no idea where the market is going

>> No.50259595
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50259595

>>50259580
Bulls can be friendly

>> No.50259611

>>50259595
It's like a big doggie. :3

>> No.50259630

>>50259595
Fuck, this reminds me of when a texas longhorn did this to me at the fair then bit hard into my hand

>> No.50259641

>>50259630
I hope you kicked it in the dick

>> No.50259669
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50259669

>>50258633
lol faggot play XX or Tri instead, don't bother with that casualized trash

>> No.50259684

>>50259204
based free market enjoyer

>>50259260
cringed commie baitposter

>> No.50259689
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50259689

>>50259581
Not him but china's economy grew as fast or faster than they devalue yuan. Plus as you know the whole country is just lies so what is "real" value is anyone's guess.

>> No.50259732

>>50254328
>doesn't post indicators

>> No.50259735

>>50259561
It's G*rmans pushing for this shit

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50259745

>>50259595
Are you're trying to tell me after developed countries started eating bugs emerging markets now have more cows than they know what do with and are training them to administer vaccines into arms? Is this deflationary?

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50259773

>>50259669
>lol faggot play XX or Tri instead, don't bother with that casualized trash

No I will play rise now for 24 hours straight

>> No.50259779

>>50259593
My prediction:
>July CPI is still hot
>Signals more 75 bps increases
>Capitulation happens sometime around September/October because by the rules of the stock market that's just when the most market crashes happen
>Market starts to bottom out when Federal Funds Rate approaches 3.0-3.5% and we look toward 2023
Positions: None. I'm terrible at predicting things, so the bottom was probably last week and SPY will break ATH by next month.

>> No.50259855

>>50259137
Huh? Why troons are mad at Abe?

>> No.50259904
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50259904

I WILL NOT EAT THE BUGS. I'M NOT A FAGGOT

>> No.50259927

>/smg/ going almost 10 minutes between posts on Saturday night
ded thred
ded gaem

>> No.50259937

>>50259904
It will be listed as 'other animal protein' right after whey and onions on the packaging.
It will probably be processed in such a way that it looks, cooks, and tastes exactly like ground beef or steak.
You won't even know.

>> No.50259942

>>50259904
is this a screenshot of crunchyroll?

>> No.50259943

>>50259927

I AM NOT GOING TO EAT BUGS

>> No.50259971

>>50259942

Yeah. I'm kind of a fuck up. I don't know how to do basic shit

>> No.50259996

>>50259937
If they're deconstructing the bugs there is literally nothing wrong with it. The issue is that they're just trying to ban all modern farming and industrial technologies, they don't give a fuck if their slaves eat wheat or worms.

>> No.50260001
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50260001

>>50259689
their gpd grows faster but that doesnt change the price of goods that their bugworkers need to buy with their yuan to live. chinamen go to work to fuel the economy and get paid in yuan that are worth less so they now can buy less rice...how is this sustainable? am i missing something?
is it an even more leveraged version of the USD and american stock market where literally nobody in china holds any amount of yuan in cash ever unless it's to buy things, and instead dumps all of it into whatever asset classes/markets they have that track the economy hoping that continued growth of the overall country's gdp will make their hard earned yuan not become worthless?
holy shit that is sick and genius if true

>> No.50260026

>>50259904
What the fuck is this anime or manga or whatever even about? Intern girls learning how to work office jobs or something?

>> No.50260030

>>50259996

Lots of pro bug posts lately. It's almost like people are getting paid to post pro bug stuff

>> No.50260038

>>50259779
spx fair value is like 3000. numerous smart jews on macrovoices have said as much. and fed cycles usually overcorrect both above and below the mean before snapping back

>> No.50260048

>>50260026
Office girls working at an office

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>>50255818
>What 'bug proteins' are surviving gastric fluid?
You can't name them because there's no such thing as individual "bug proteins" retard unless you break it down by each individual species and preparation method. Every source of protein has a certain amount of digestibility depending on how we eat it, which is when it's broken down into amino acids (DURING/AFTER digestion). Cooking bugs at all generally removes protein that we're able to digest, so unless you're into raw bugs you might want to change your mind. Although so many species having a lot of chitin doesn't help with digestibility either.

And to add on to micronutrients, here is an incredibly pozzed study you could have found in 5 seconds. If you actually read it mentions a lot of the very basic shortcomings about their nutritional composition. And this is the absolute most you'll get from them if you eat them raw. Don't worry though we'll definitely solve the anti-nutrient problem at least via bug farming and not just pump them with microplastics :^)
https://academic.oup.com/af/article/5/2/20/4638722

>> No.50260121

Bugs are really gay

>> No.50260143
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50260143

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faFuaYA-daw

>> No.50260177

the market will crash September 24, 2022

>> No.50260203
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>>50260177
Tell us something we don't know.

>> No.50260213

>>50260203
Hannah hays isn't a virgin

>> No.50260237

Baking.

>> No.50260244
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50260244

Uh oh, media is getting pretty cocky
I really hope nobody is still buying this
>there are no more sellers!
>recessions is priced in
Narrative

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>>50260072
YOU. ARE. WRONG.

>> No.50260278

>>50254296
FTR is the best thing in modern day wrestling

>> No.50260342

>>50260072
We can just raise chickens that eat the bugs but no.... Bird flu risk. Can't have humans being adjacent to chicken per CDC order. Only grasshoppers for you.

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>>50260249
Actually it was rebunked, stay up to date with The Science.

>> No.50260368

>>50260244
uhh, historically low levels of unemployment are leading levels of recessions though

>> No.50260429

>>50260030
As far as I can tell you're pro-bug. Pretending that the reason bugs are bad is because they are icky is a strawman, or because of nutritional reasons is factually incorrect. The reason bugs are bad is because of the socioeconomic policies forcing them to replace meat are literally evil.

>>50260072
Insects are not like plants in their amino acid profile. Your own study points out that they provide all essential amino acids.

And as far as I can tell, you are the one who abandoned the macronutrient argument and began complaining about 'micronutrients', as though we should be concerned our chicken meat is manganese deficient.

>there's no such thing as individual "bug proteins"
This is just wrong. I had thought you were going to discuss some allergen or something but if not you're simply wrong: insect protein is more complete than plant sources and apparently even some animal sources (with the apparent exception of flies).

>> No.50260539

>>50260429
>And as far as I can tell, you are the one who abandoned the macronutrient argument and began complaining about 'micronutrients', as though we should be concerned our chicken meat is manganese deficient.
That was my first post in the thread, I was just adding on to what other posters already said. There's no denying there are pros and cons to every protein source but in general bugs have a lot of cons being overlooked on purpose.

>This is just wrong. I had thought you were going to discuss some allergen or something but if not you're simply wrong: insect protein is more complete than plant sources and apparently even some animal sources (with the apparent exception of flies).
Did you read anything I said about digestibility? Amino acid profile means nothing if those amino acids aren't broken down and absorbed. And if you really mean "insect protein" to mean amino acid profile, like you and the study says that varies from species to species, and while most can meet the acceptable level of amino acids (not "all" as you put it) there's significance evidence it isn't absorbed well even with minimal human trials.

>> No.50260571

>>50260429

>As far as I can tell you're pro-bug. Pretending that the reason bugs are bad is because they are icky is a strawman, or because of nutritional reasons is factually incorrect. The reason bugs are bad is because of the socioeconomic policies forcing them to replace meat are literally evil

OK. I'm currently baking bacon (in the oven). I'm not going to eat bugs, because I can literally eat rice or cheap veggies if I ever go flat broke. Also, I'm not a faggot pretending to know the long term health implications of eating crickets or roaches

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>>50260237
Tricked! I wasn't baking.

>> No.50260633

>>50260571
Why would I eat bugs when I can just eat rice and beans? Lol.

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>>50260237
>>50260621
COMEDY GOLD

>> No.50260653

>>50260633

If you were super poor, would ypu rather eat mystery bugs imported in 100 gallon drums from China? Or would you rather eat rice and random cheap veggies

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>>50260653
Ah /smg,/ we like to have fun here :^) LOL!

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>>50260368
Dont tell the media or retail bulls that :^)

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>>50254979
Bugs taste like shit. I've been to China and Sri Lanka and tried cooked bugs on various ococcasions. They all tasted like shit aside from the fire cooked scorpion and even then it needed salt, pepper and butter. Imagine trying to satisfy the average American food portion size with bugs.. you'd be eating plates. The future will be ground bug patties with meat flavoring. The future is the fisherman

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>>50260653
Rice and veggies? I’m not poor and I already eat that 3-4 times a week. Lol. I have no interest or need to eat insects under any circumstances lol. I have fruit trees, tomatoes, and squash in my yard.