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49746221 No.49746221 [Reply] [Original]

You cannot refute this man. You can only seethe. Kneel.

>> No.49746288

>said the jew
btfo

>> No.49746300

wah waahh I'm so oppressed

stfu

>> No.49746304

>>49746221
>tranny goes mad
>10 threads on the same jobless hobo kike
Dilate.

>> No.49746347

back to your bunker, commie tranny

>> No.49746467

>>49746221
He had some good points. Problem is his ideology was too radical and failed to integrate the current Christian ethos (perfect for a system dependent on empathy for fellow man) and instead spurned Christianity and based communist theory more on greed and material wealth (aka Judaism).

>> No.49746690

>>49746467
Always rely on the 4channer to make it about jews somehow. Btw no matter how many guns you buy or how hard you try to hide we will find you and we will euthanise both you and your family, nazi parasite

>> No.49746747

>>49746467
t. Has never read Marx.

Marx quite clearly diagnosed religion as an 'opiate' for the masses. Religion only encourages people to accept their plight in return for a nicer, eternal afterlife. It's literally complicit with capitalism and therefore must be spurned.

>> No.49746783

*creates a system that produces the most oppressive, murderous governments in human history*

great job!!!!!

>> No.49746819

>>49746747
>>49746690
Why are you here?

>> No.49746824

>>49746783
How is it possible people are still doing boomer red scare propaganda in 2022? Like i get it 90% of 4chan are boomers but like how can you be this much braindead

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49746848

>>49746467
Marx was an antisemite. Which was yet another reason he was a moron.

>> No.49746850

>>49746824
The only ideology they know is hatred. Conservatism is the politics of contempt for your fellow man.

>> No.49746851 [DELETED] 

>>49746819
Cause i want to be that little push some 4chan parasite needs to do an hero. Even 1 would beba job well done. Other than that i try to gather as much personal information and eventually i plan to travel and "visit" some parasites. Life is good

>> No.49746868

>>49746783
Can you quote any part of Marx where he lays out and promotes a system of government like the kind seen in USSR, Cambodia, or even Cuba? I'll wait, boomer.

>> No.49746877

>>49746824

>literal, objective, factual genocides and ruined economies throughout the 21st century
>"red scare propaganda"

lmao

>> No.49746884

>>49746221
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>>49746347
>>49746467
>>49746690
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>>49746824
Reminder that /trannypol/ers are mentally ill and made 50 posts about this hobo kike loser just because they get btfo every time.

>> No.49746892

>>49746850
>natsocs, fascists, libertarians
>conservative

>> No.49746893

>>49746824
Because communism is fundamentally evil and cannot exist without oppression and brutally controlling people. People in every generation will learn to hate it once they understand its nature.

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>>49746848
The man was the greatest philosophy of the last 200 years but yeah joe fucking blow from middle of no where Iowa knows more than some one who radically changed thef ace of economics for 200 years after.

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49746907

>>49746868

Oh right, this is the part where you pretend you don't need an authoritarian state to enforce communism, 100 million people are just going to magically agree to all do it together and work in harmony. Which never happened, ever.

>> No.49746910

>>49746877
>He doesn't believe the holocaust happened

>This famine was a genocide.

>> No.49746922

>>49746898
>greatest philosophy of the last 200 years
>actually believing this
Biggest impact maybe, but it wasn't a positive impact.

>> No.49746926

>>49746907
Can't answer the question can you?

>> No.49746946

>>49746922
Again, the retard boomer from the trailer park in Iowa isn't the best source of information on socialism.

>> No.49746964

>>49746907
As I thought, he cannot quote Marx, at all. You don't even know what he advocated for. You need to stop slurping burger propaganda. It's rotted your brain.

>> No.49746975

>>49746926
It doesn't matter if Marx explicitly stated it or not. It's the truth. Communism can't exist without repression.

>> No.49746980

>>49746926

Do you think you're the first person that's ever asked it? He didn't lay out anything that can exist in physical reality without an all powerful central state. It's the only way it's ever been implemented on a national level. They are coupled. I'm sorry about it you smelly stupid faggot. Now go get a job.

>> No.49746984

>>49746975
Why not?

>> No.49747008

>>49746980
All you gotta do is quote Marx big boy

>> No.49747016

>>49746221
And because I agree with that one statement, i'm supposed to accept all the other retarded shit? Should you believe when your whore GF tells you she's not cheating because she prefaces her statement with "1+1=2?"

>> No.49747017

>>49746946
Neither is your leftypol circlejerk, or whichever subreddit/discord you came from
>>49746984
Because you need to force people to surrender their private property, and prevent them from organizing freely.

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>>49746964

Why would I ever "quote Marx". I like having sex and living a normal human life. I don't wish for wealth to magically appear in my lap I go out and get it.

>> No.49747042

>>49746980
>Unions exit

>Muh powerful state is required

The funnest thing about conversations like this is you boomers are always so insainly myopic. You can tell you haven't done an ounce of critical thinking since you were 5 and it's made you old and bitter.

Ideally a syndicate of unions would control the economy through democratic consensus and economic planning.

You're just lying and anyone has has actually picked up these books would agree.

>> No.49747049

>>49747018
>He doesn't know what he's arguing against.

That's all I needed to prove, thank you. Marx wins again.

>> No.49747056

>>49746893
You are literally describing capitalism...like...are you schizophrenic? Pls read what you type... capitalism is the system that requires the formation of a slave and master class....capitalism is the system that demands exponential perpetual growth in a finite planet...capitalism is the system that is unstable, unsustainable and exploitative...

I dont understand. Are you just lying like rightoids always do or are you genuinely schizophrenic?

>> No.49747057

>>49747008

"Communists are smelly, useless, disgusting creatures that encountered the slightest amount of resistance in the normal human economy and decided to buy into something that's been shown to radically destroy economies and societies time and time again just so they can pigheadedly put their faith in the idea that there's a magic paradigm that allows them to be both lazy and wealthy at the same time"
-Karl Marx circa 1867

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>>49747056
Rightoids are by definition mentally ill. They can't grasp reality.

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>>49747056
>y-you're just crazy
Won't work on me, sorry. Anybody with a brain realizes how evil communists are, and how much suffering you cause when you get your way.

>> No.49747119

>>49747042

>the syndicate of unions

You can call it whatever you want, in the end its an all powerful state because everyone isn't going to agree to buy into this communal system. It doesn't work unless literally everyone is buying in. And since it defies human nature, including your own nature, everyone never does. Even in a family, the most "communal" unit of all, there are producers and freeloaders, the only reason it survives is because of blood and familial love. How about you leave Fairy Land and start thinking about how to cut it in the natural free market faggot.

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>>49747017
kek, i've been lurking 4chan since 2004.
It's called reading books fag. Go back.

>Because you need to force people to surrender their private property, and prevent them from organizing freely.

You realize that with out labor that private property couldn't exist right? The workers are just taking back what was theirs anyways.
Historically speaking it was private property that committed the first theft.

hence why Property is theft.

>> No.49747131

>>49747112
Can't refute his point oh no no no

>> No.49747137

>>49746690
Marx was literally jewish, dawg.

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>>49747093
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>>49746221
yes democracy is a karmic consent trick and yet marxism is a joke.

>Marx believes the capitalists abuse the workers by stealing the fruit work
>the capitalists want to automate and reduce labor
>Therefore the purpose of the capitalists is to reduce opression by reducing the need for labor.

Prove me wrong

>> No.49747171

>>49747126
>The workers are just taking back what was theirs anyways.
>Historically speaking it was private property that committed the first theft.
>hence why Property is theft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

Maybe start reading better books

>> No.49747173

>>49747119
>A decentral,ized body of workers democratically deciding the functions of their own economy is tyranny to the porky private property cuck

Cry me a river.

>Human nature is anything I want it to be

Absolutely retarded. Cope and seethe.

>> No.49747184

>>49747119
>is because of blood and familial love.

Tell me you're a neo-nazi without telling me. This explains the schizo rambling kek.

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>Rightoids are by definition mentally ill. They can't grasp reality.

are these "rightoids" in the room with us right now?

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>> No.49747210

>>49747163
kek, the capitalist naturally wants to rid himself of labor in order to save profits not because he is so generous or whatever you retards believe kek.

>> No.49747218

>>49747171

>He doesn't have an argument

>> No.49747223

>>49747163
You haven't read Marx. Machines mean more can be produced in the same amount of time. Workers still work the same hours, get paid the same slave wages, only more is produced for the capitalist to sell. You couldn't quote Marx to refute this point. Read Das Kapital.

t. you're a retard who has to lie to dunk on the big man himself.

>> No.49747234

>>49747218
You don't deserve one.

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>>49746690
Hmm, maybe your mind is too fragile for this website at this time. You should leave and come back when you're in a better mental state.
I'm not against Jews. Just diagnosing the characteristics of both religions at the time. The backdrop when Marx wrote the communist manifesto was a highly Christian Europe, albeit a Christianity that was waning in am industrial age. Christianity was the glue that held Europe together and let it prosper. Marx, coming from a Jewish background, naturally wasn't of a Christian world view. Jews had been oppressed in Europe so cohesion with the rest of the culture wasn't an option, thus they focused more on material wealth and power to propser
and secure safety as they lacked the larger social safety net that Christians had. That Christian safety net, reliant on empathy for others, would have been perfect for a new economic plan like communism, but Marx never had a personal reference point for that.

>> No.49747246

>>49747184
>>49747173

>supports an ideology that's only ever produced genocides and famines
>so shitty that it collapses and implodes every time, no one even has to do anything to cause it to happen

"y-youre crazy!!!"

If I could press a button to send both of you to Cuba or Venezuela I would, right now, without hesitation, I'd smash it so hard it broke

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>> No.49747261

>>49747210
but under your framework that means the job of the capitalist is to reduce oppression, who gives as hit why is he doing it.

He is still doing it to reduce that.

>> No.49747273

>>49747246
>Literally puts man women and dog in space for the first time in human history

>A literally famine is a genocide cause we hate commies.

>> No.49747290

>>49747246
Quote the texts from 'marxist ideology' where genocides are encouraged and/or permitted.

I forgot, you can't. You can only strawman like a literal boomer kek.

>> No.49747291

>>49747223
Do you believe in bitcoin?

If you are against bitcoin you are 100% against marx theory of value.

Prove me wrong.

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>> No.49747304

>>49747261
Why does it matter what level of oppression is being done in the first place? The exploitation happens through the profit made off the productive output of the laborer, kek. The exploitation happens because you are working for some one yet not receiving what you make. They receive part of the work you do.

>> No.49747313

>>49747261
Wrong, see >>49747223

>> No.49747327

>>49747291
Why
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>>49747273

>yes we ruined half the world
>all of you are poor and live shitty lives now
>but we did put the first dog in space!!!!

KEK

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>>49747223
>Read Das Kapital

Why would I read my toilet paper? Go back to leftypol

>> No.49747382

>>49747273
>Literally puts man women and dog in space for the first time in human history

The soviet union did not had a space program until the us did, sputnik, gagarin flight were litertally done in the R-7 rocket which was for nuclear weapons.

And Sergei Korolev never was able to finish his dreams due to the military fucking him up, he literally managed to smuggle sputnik to start the space race as a fucking radio sending a retarded signal, since the officers were against anything that was not military and his original scientific payload was not in time due to bureaucratic retardation.

Did i also mention that he died due to health problems he got due to being gulaged?

>> No.49747400

>>49747290

The implementation of Marxist ideology on a national level requires an all powerful, oppressive state. This is how it has always existed, in every incarnation. You can try to deny and ignore that all you want, they are bedfellows.

>> No.49747401

>>49747372
>He doesn't know that the USSR was State Capitalism oh no no no

You're only proving that capitalism fails in the end kek.

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>>49747273
>A literally famine is a genocide cause we hate commies.

It was genocide you braindead retard.

>> No.49747409

>>49747376
>Mien cunt

LOL

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>>49747327
>Karl Marx believed in the labor theory of value to explain relative differences in market prices. This theory stated that the value of a produced economic good can be measured objectively by the average number of labor hours required to produce it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_work

>> No.49747419

>>49746467
Appropiation of means of production through violence, abolishment of private property, destruction of the family institution, no thanks bro. He makes good points indeed and give some hard to swallow red pills (imagine being a 1840 fag who is reading the manifesto for the first time); also I feel he exaggerates a lot about the evil of the bourgeousie

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>>49747420
Only that theory is wrong.

>> No.49747448

>>49747049
Moron leftists declaring victory again. Basement dwelling loser. One system, capitalism, is about human excellence and realizing ones worth relative to what they can generate or create. Marxist losers see the product of someone else's labor and want to share in it. Capitalism is the true workers dollar.

>> No.49747452

>>49747401

>state capitalism

Absolutely fucking not. What China is doing now, post 1970, is more resemblant of "state capitalism." Which is funny to mention, prior to that they were purer communists, living in absolute dogshit, starving, having famines that would kill 100million. Ever since they liberalized their economy and opened up their markets they've been booming in wealth and quality of life. Another blow to Marxist retards.

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>> No.49747465

>>49747420
How does that relate to bitcoin exactly?

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>>49747236
Ok my bad i misunderstood i apologize

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>> No.49747515

>>49747448
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>Some scholars argue that the economy of the Soviet Union and of the Eastern Bloc countries modeled after it, including Maoist China, were state capitalist systems, and some western commentators believe that the current economies of China and Singapore also constitute a form of state capitalism.[4][5][6][7][8][9]

Oh no no no

>>49747452
>Ever since they liberalized their economy and opened up their markets they've been booming in wealth and quality of life.

China has greater wealth inequality than USA and Western Europe. Are you actually retarded? Not to mention terrible infrastructure such as 'tofu dreg projects'. Why do rightoids always lose kek?

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>> No.49747524

>>49747304
>Why does it matter what level of oppression is being done in the first place? The exploitation happens through the profit made off the productive output of the laborer, kek.

Because if marx is right then the entire purpose of the capitalist class is to reduce the extraction of plusvaly through automation and thus the entire job of the capitalist is to reduce the exploitation of the workers.

Obviously this would be a neolib delirium, the truth is that there are two systems fighting each other.

Proof of work vs proof of stake.

Feudalism = proof of stake

capitalism with gold standard or base layer monetary system = proof of work

central banking keynsian system = proof of stake( central bank is eth foundation, private bank staking nodes, users delegating coins to private banks).

Go all through history and proof of work vs proof of stake is the original human conflict in it's base layer.

Communism, fascism, capitalism are nothing more than theoretical cope to hide this base layer conflict in human societies.

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>> No.49747536

>>49746690
It is always about jews, You will only realize this when it is too late.

>> No.49747549

>>49747452
>According to the annual report released by the World Inequality Lab last month, the bottom 50 per cent of Chinese adults earn about 25,520 yuan (US$4,000) a year, while the top 10 per cent of the population earns, on average, 14 times more at 370,210 yuan. The gap is bigger than in most developed economies.

You just keep losing kek. Capitalism always fails. It will always be bad.

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>>49747515

You're so ashamed of your own ideology, that you immediately distance yourself from its most famous and widescale implementations. Imagine believing in something that shitty. You have 0 (zero) examples of communist success in its myriad attempts the past 150 years, and every time it fails you find a way to call it capitalist. Holy fucking kek.

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>> No.49747569

>>49747440
Mud pies have nothing to do with ltv lmfao. It onyl shows you don't understand ltv

>> No.49747590

>>49747372
>Capitalism literally has civilization on the brink of collapse

>> No.49747592

>>49747400
it worked in israeli kibbutz in small scales, once again the problem is proof of work vs proof of stake.

On israel it was kibbuts working under proof of stake on a small scale selling to the global economy operating under proof of work.

On big scales it rarely works due to entropy shit becomes too complex and centralized and you end like memezuela or china right now with a covfefe quarantine death loop.

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>>49747549
>larger wealth gap, yet things have still improved for the poor Chinese and China overall

>> No.49747614

>>49747549

Wealth inequality exists because wealth exists. Prior to liberalizing their economy, 99% of people in China were dogshit poor. So poor that they would die off in swaths every time a famine rolled around. Now it's actually POSSIBLE to even have wealth. You're incapable of grasping the simplest economic concepts.

>> No.49747617

>>49747562
Commuism has never been applied. And you couldn't demonstrate to the contrary. USSR and China were always State Capitalist from the beginning. Capitalism is always the culprit kek. But I quoted facts, you're welcome to quote likewise. I'm sorry the facts hurt your feelings.

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>> No.49747650

>>49747420
The fuck does this have to do with bitcoin? kek.

Do you think Marx didn't believe in speculative price evaluations when he wrote vol 3. of Capital which specifically goes over a concept he himself coined called "fictitious capital?"

>> No.49747652

>>49747592

>small scales

stop fucking talking. I'm tired of people bringing up a fucking tent camp or commune to try to "prove" the efficacy on a national scale. Not "rarely works", IT NEVER FUCKING WORKS. GET A JOB. STOP PRAYING FOR DEATH AND OPPRESSION.

>> No.49747659

>>49747440
under normal case you would be correct as supply and demand select pricing so water is more valuable than gold in the sahara.

But bitcoin is different, marx theory of value literally only works for bitcoin because it's what physicist call a "maxwell demon" so it defies normal physical laws since it's basically math and math does not obey physics but the other way around.

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>>49747569
Just like LTV showed Marx doesn't know shit about economics.

>> No.49747662

>>49747617
You people will say USSR and China aren't real communism in one breath and defend them as models of communist success in the next.

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>>49747610
>yet things have still improved for the poor Chinese and China overall.

Not because of capitalism, but because of government social programs. You know, socialist things. Like healthcare and housing. Get absolutely rekd kek.

>> No.49747687

>>49747661
He literally knew more about economics than every MMT fag or hayekian rube today.

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>> No.49747699

>>49747662
I'm not a tankie, so no. But nice non-argument nonetheless. You're free to refute the point.

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kek. I'm on the comedown from a shroom high and this made me laugh so hard lmao. These faggots are retarded it's exhausting sometimes

>> No.49747722

>>49747699
Other people in this thread have done it.
>You're free to refute the point.
Again, you're not worth it. Your logic is on the level of a Holocaust denier from /pol/.

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Ok but how do you explain communism being tried more times than any other ideology in recent history and failing miserably every time? And yes, USSR was real communism.

>> No.49747751

>>49747650
proof of work is literally the only time marx theory of value ever worked due to it being a maxwell demon.

>Do you think Marx didn't believe in speculative price evaluations when he wrote vol 3. of Capital which specifically goes over a concept he himself coined called "fictitious capital?"

it's called leverage but you are not thinking big enough bitcoin being a maxwell demon is above that shit.

if the price goes below the production cost the maxwell demon closes the block gate reducing blocktime thus reducing inflation until a new equilibrium happens.

2020 halving was almost 6 months delayed due to 2018 bear market.

>>49747652
it did worked under small scales, modern israel is the result of schizo socialists moving and settling in small communes, the big industrial nation followed 70 years after.

but then again you are not thinking big enough the conflict is not socialism, vs capitalism or fascism.

it's proof of stake vs proof of work, it has always been that one.

>> No.49747755

>>49747722
Nobody has kek. Nobody once quoted Marx nor refuted the claim that USSR and China (both Maoist and present case) were/are State Capitalist. Marxism is irrefutable. Capitalism is doomed to fail. Feels good.

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Then why was he perpetually broke? They even had to start charging people to see his grave. Even in death he continued to disprove himself. Why should I listen to a broke beggar tell me how to run my economy?

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>> No.49747796

>>49747739
USSR was State Capitalism. There's no data or literature that can demonstrate Lenin or Stalin applied any of Marx's theories of Communism. You won't be able to either, I can promise you that kek. Stay malding.

>> No.49747802

>>49747739
Because it's a shit ideology that goes against natural law by trying to centralize everything and entropy destroys information that would allow to make rational choices.

Add slave morality on top and you end up causing famines since nobody wants to send bad information into the top chain leading to contamination of the information, like in the winter war nobody wanting to tell stalin they were a fucking disaster.

>> No.49747804

>>49747739
>failing miserably every time
China won.
>USSR was real communism
And let me guess, China isn't? Nice how you get to nitpick like that

>> No.49747805

>>49747755
>Marxism is irrefutable
This is the most offensive part of your beliefs, frankly. The fact that it is a religion for you.

>> No.49747818

>>49747739
>Muh 10 planks

Marxism isn;t about a heavy standard of dogmas that we must rigoriously follow I';ts about critical analysis of the objective world around us.

Marx had shitty ideas for transitioning to communism. Everyone knows this and he even recanted about this later in his life but you all cling to it cause you have no actual argument other wise.

The USSR also didn't abolish private ownership and public ownership and collective ownership are not the same thing.

Like the amount of fucking straw grasping is amazing here lmao.

>> No.49747819

>>49746467
Problem is it's fucking completely and utterly antithetical and incompatible with the human condition. That's it's problem you fookin' lunatic.

Christ almighty, I can understand how some people are brainwashed by modern liberalism, but to genuinely believe in communism and Hungry Santa's beyond barmy ideas is just... Words don't do justice to the level of retardation.

>> No.49747825

>>49747722
Holocaust didn't happen faggot. This thread is fucking tragic. Merely invoking Marx attracts the highest concentration of reddit spacing retarded commies and faggot lolberts. Two sides of the same jewish coin.

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>>49747780
>Marx was poor therefore his theories are wrong.

The absolute state of rightoids kek. This is just sad now.

>> No.49747841

>>49747825
ok retard, go huff some glue

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>>49747833
>Marx was poor therefore his theories are wrong.

Yes. He was poor AND his theories were wrong. Name one successful communist country that isn't a dogshit dystopian nightmare.

>> No.49747862

>>49747796
>USSR was State Capitalism. There's no data or literature that can demonstrate Lenin or Stalin applied any of Marx's theories of Communism. You won't be able to either, I can promise you that kek. Stay malding.

At this point i am starting to think you are baiting here op, i have not since such a shitshow thread on biz since bsv shills put their mod in late 2019 banning all non bsv threads.

Look at the shitshow you made it's worse than pol now lmfao.

>> No.49747871

>>49747833
>if I just say kek more maybe it'll work
Go back to your discord

>> No.49747877

>>49747796
be that as it may, dialectic materialism is pure malignant jew cancer.
>mice live in mouseland
>introduce invasive rat to drive mice to extinction
>you don't like it? what about rich mice?
fuck that to hell

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>>49747796
>REEEE NOT REAL COMMUNISM

Embarrassing.

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>>49747833
he was also a racist piece of shit that called anybody he did not like "jew niggers", to be honest he would probably be a poltard if he were alive today.

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>> No.49747916

>>49747862
>He can't refute me.

Sad.

>>49747861
Communism has never been applied. Cambodia, USSR, China etc applied none of Marxism. You can't demonstrate otherwise. The facts care little for your feelings. sorry.

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>>49747833
>The absolute state of rightoids kek

Meanwhile.

>> No.49747926

>>49747804
China has only felt success after moving away from Maoist beliefs millions of innocent people died bc of incompetency from the communist government it was a a failure

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>>49747916
>Communism has never been applied
Because it can't be in the way you're imagining

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>>49747894
>Didn't refute the claim.

oh no no no

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>>49747916
You refuted yourself when your ideology failed multiple times kek, there is no argument needed. You are wrong.

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>>49747941
What way am I imagining it? What way did Marx imagine it? 150 anons later and still not a single quote from Marx to support your 'claims' kek.

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>>49747948
Your claim is USSR wasn't real communism. It was. No refutation needed (also the image refuted you by showing it was). Pathetic.

>> No.49747998

>>49747755
so...

>countries implement Marxism-Leninism
>end up embracing capitalism/becoming 'State Capitalist' anyway
>b-b-but capitalism is doomed to fail

hurrr, nice deductive reasoning skills you have there retard

>> No.49748007

>>49747973
Why don't you explain your interpretation of Marx and what system you'd like to see? You haven't said anything of substance all thread. Go ahead and type "kek" again.

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>>49747951
>Still can't back up his claim that Marxism informed the creation of USSR, China, Cuba, Cambodia etc.

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>>49747976
No it wasn't

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>>49747861
and if communist pozz was tried without engineering the racial destruction of the target population, we could think: ok, let the cunts debate it. But communist pozz has completely dropped class-struggle dialectic to engineer the submersion of the target population in industrial nigger farming that has completely destroyed their biological being.
There's no *time* anymore.

>> No.49748033

>>49747916
I did refute you i proved you that bitcoin follows literally marxist theory of value and it's the only time it worked.

i also explained that proof of work vs proof of stake is the only conflict that matters and that the capitalist job is to reduce the workers abuse if using marxist theory.

>>49747914
People think marx was jewish but he actually grew in a protestant family of jewish origins, the jew shit became popular later as a way of fascists to get an excuse to crush the spartacists commies by blaming it on a jewish conspiracy (since a lot of jews were from feudal eastern europe were they saw communism as better than feudal shithole system).

But marx literally called everyone he did not like jewish niggers, he was literally a prototypical poltard on a time being a racist neet was bad viewed.

>> No.49748047

>>49748033
>muh whiteness

KEK

>> No.49748051

>>49748033
Yeah, Marx was pretty pathetic really

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>>49747976
>He has no literature to support his claim.

Very very sad.

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>> No.49748085

>>49748007
>Marx condemned capitalism as a system that alienates the masses. His reasoning was as follows: although workers produce things for the market, market forces, not workers, control things. People are required to work for capitalists who have full control over the means of production and maintain power in the workplace.

Workers are destined to seize the means of production, since they are the ones producing profit. Simple as. If a worker strikes, the capitalist loses. A capitalist relies on workers yet denies them their fair share of wages.

>> No.49748099

>>49748033
cunt, here in France, ALL of the CURRENTLY ALIVE "communists" were trained by jews from bolchevik structures. cunt.

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>>49746221
>/pol/

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>> No.49748124

Kek this guy is having a mental breakdown

>> No.49748132

>>49748085
>A capitalist relies on workers yet denies them their fair share of wages.

The keynsian fabian commies are doing that by inflating the technological advances the capitalist do away.

If the fucker keynes as born in the 1800s we would still be under agricultural feudalism since the fucker would have counteracted technological deflation in agriculture with central bank inflation.

Prove me wrong, protip you can't

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>> No.49748140

>>49748085
>Simple as.
You're a simpleton and that's why your ideas always fail.
>workers seize the means of production
And then what? How does your system organize itself beyond that?

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>>49746851
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>> No.49748163

>>49746221
>80 iq drooling commie jew-slave shows up to spew off-topic nonsense
dilate and kys

>> No.49748168

>>49748124
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>>49748140
Everybody shares in the benefits of labour (production) and the state controls all property and wealth. It's destined to happen, because Capitalism famously cannot sustain itself. It's inherently self-destructive.

>Capitalism depends ultimately on having an income-earning population who can buy its products. Displacement of workers by machinery is the formula for the self-destruction of capitalism.

Add to this the increasing depletion of natural resources. Communism is inevitable.

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>>49746221
communism works on paper, yes. but introducing the human element (read: greed) ensures that system can never work. if a commie tries to refute this, ask them why they think communism will magically remove the greed utilized by the capitalists they hate so much

>> No.49748238

>>49748209
>the state controls all property and wealth
And you can't see any issues here

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>> No.49748260

>>49748099
of course they were eastern europe was 25% jewish in some places and the feudal system was well alive into the 1900s there.

Lot's of crazy commie jews moved to western europe to start trouble from the bolcheviks, hitler believe it or not was a communist as soon as he left the army he was a member of the socialist bavarian people state.

That's when he become antisemite because he saw how many jews were commies and most of the spartacist weren't even german jews since german jews were mostly hardcore burgeoise anti communists(hitler himself got the iron cross from his jewish superior).

The zionists and churchill hated the commie jews because they became a fifth column for moscow until the 1950s when the soviets started to think they were now a securtity risk due to israel and purgued them from the government.

>> No.49748273

>>49748209
Does that mean I don't have to work?

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>>49748273
>"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a slogan popularised by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program. The principle refers to free access to and distribution of goods, capital and services.

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>>49748223
>communism works on paper
the URSS did pretty good, also China will be the very first country out of poverty and 100% on renewable sources

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>>49748304
So someone will force me to work?

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>>49748320
But according to this thread, those examples don't count

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>>49748085
cunt, the left declared mortal war against the workers a long time ago. It's the party of open humiliation of workers and racial replacement of locals by literal apes.

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>>49748341
No sir. Oppression is a capitalist invention.

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>> No.49748388

What a dumb fucking thread this is. Do you losers seriously do this shit all day?

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>>49746221
democracy is shit
communism is worse.
(((marx))) refers to you as human capitol.
communism is just rebranded slavery with jewish supremacists at the top.

There is a better option.

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>>49748320
Central authorities can do fast industrialization since they are the one driving up the demand and can control it. Once you introduce luxuries they fail since the people drive the demand.

China is state capitalist, tells you thr efficiency of communism.

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>>49748378
So why would I work?

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>>49746221
A broken clock is right twice a day

>> No.49748480

>>49746221
In communism, you don't get this decision. You simply get a tyrant. You also don't get a functioning economy, resulting in famine and literal cannibalism. Go Marx!

>> No.49748483

>>49746221
His whole ideology is contradictory from the beginning which is the Marxist theory of value, never resolved even in 3rd tome of Capital and after that. Now, as a subhuman who believes contradictory theories (i.e. lies for retards), kill yourself but before you do, read Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk’s “Karl Marx and the end of his system”. It will make you want to rope more, which will be beneficial to all of us.

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>>49746221
based af and 10/10 for posting this on a board full of people who would 100% benefit from marxism but who are somehow completely hostile to it instead

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>capitalism is the system
Capitalism could be described as the lack of a system, or otherwise exchanges of goods and services can happen freely between consenting parties. Communism is the "makes total sense when you're 19" system that in reality guarantees suffering for all but the 1% in the inner party or surrounding the "president"

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>>49748388
sneed

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>>49746221
Waaaa I'm oppressed!!
Nigger we're busy making money over here by pushing buttons while sitting on our asses, working for no one but ourselves. Completely wrong board.
You'll have better luck on Reddit, Discord, /pol/ or /r9k/

>> No.49748612

>>49748388
now all kidding aside op bait was perfect look at the shitshow he caused lmfao.

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>> No.49748691

>>49748612
Honestly, it's at least interesting and you can have an actual conversation and some kind of exchange of ideas even if it's retarded ones at that rather than being shilled the next big scam.

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>>49746221
>You cannot refute this man. You can only seethe. Kneel.

>> No.49749049

>>49746747
>he claims to be an anti-religion materialist while simultaenously endorsing a worldview completely founded and dependent on the narrative of """the worker's struggle"""
lol the fact that marxism is still taken seriously proves how dumb the West has become desu