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49725528 No.49725528 [Reply] [Original]

the Great Reset? Think of the timing. This series was released on 2019 and got people afraid of nuclear power once again, right when the WEF was planning to kick off their Great Reset, which entails weaning people off of modern energy sources and sending us back to the medieval era.

>> No.49725751

I actually watched it can recommend.
Also makes you realize how safe nuclear power is. They don't "just blow up randomly".
People in charge just fucked up horribly.

>> No.49725836

the show was about the incompetency at all levels from the city council to the country itself, the main character spends a good chunk of time investigating how it even happened because it required a huge amount human error in succession for the reactor to fuse

>> No.49725838

URANIUM

>> No.49725840

I watched this and still think all coal plants should be replaced with nuclear plants. It was just slavs doing slav shi.

>> No.49725863

It made me look up how many people actually died because of it. It was 31 in total from the whole thing. The biggest nothingburger in history and the nuclear scare was cold war propaganda through and through.

>> No.49725892

>>49725528
Nuclear is more expensive than proponents act like it it
The cost of cleanup and storage grows as time goes by
Only rewards support nuclear

>> No.49725897

>>49725863
>It was 31 in total from the whole thing
>The biggest nothingburger in history
This. Ridiculous the priorities some people make up for the rest of us to follow.

>> No.49725944

When people freeze and starve they will demand nuclear back on

>> No.49725945

>>49725528
If anything it is an indictment of the soviet system, the reactor just bookends it

>> No.49725946

>>49725892
>The cost of cleanup and storage grows as time goes by
yes, and it is still hundreds of times safer than anything else. it's true it has a higher cost of investment but that's not a problem if we know we need energy no matter what

>> No.49726002

>>49725946
*hundreds of times safer AND cheaper

>> No.49726084

>>49725840
Why get rid of coal plants? They're the most reliable ones around.

>> No.49726179

>>49725863
>It was 31 in total from the whole thing.
That was the propaganda number, anon.

>> No.49726221

>>49726179
what is the real number?

>> No.49726229

>>49725863
31 is the propaganda number you fuck, you think the soviet union would come out and say ''yeah we fucked up big time. 100.000 died''

>> No.49726260
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>>49725528
check that

>> No.49726266

>>49725836
I was impressed with how competent the soviet military seemed. Was that intentional on the director's part?

>> No.49726295

>>49726260
Bitcoin isn't gold or silver. It never will be. Stop trying to make Austrian Economics with Bitcoin. It's a joke.

>> No.49726354

>>49726179
>>49726229
Official figure is 31, the UN says 50. If you know of a higher estimate post it.

>> No.49726361

>>49726266
still a lot of guys around who had fought in ww2 at that point.

>> No.49726382

>>49725751
This. It also shits HARD on Soviet Communism.

>> No.49726492

>only 50 people died
>there were absolutely no other adverse effects of the event worth considering

>> No.49726517

>>49725528
It didn't defame nuclear energy, it just shat on the soviet union.

>> No.49726549

>>49726492
quantify them and compare them to any other energy source.

>> No.49726624

molten salt reactors are the future
t. moltex energy private seed round investor

>> No.49726693

>>49726549
alright, how many people have died mining coal

>> No.49726756

>>49726624
Don't they have a problem with the equipment getting corroded by the fluorine salts? The Thorium ones at least any way

>> No.49726873

>>49725892
"only REWARDS support nuclear" ?

What the bloody hell does this even mean ?

>> No.49726886

>>49726492
I think what the miniseries didn't show is that suprisingly they managed to contain it pretty fine, considering being the first time a reactor blew up. The numbers are debatable, since the official number covers mostly the people dying immediately, and you can't accurately estimate how many more died due to radiation.

>> No.49726994

>>49726693
during all of history? probably tens of thousands. but nowadays probably very few.

but the relevant question here is how many deaths is caused per MWh generated by a nuclear plant vs how many deaths caused per MWh as generated by coal, wind, solar, etc.. including all maintenance, polutant outputs, and resources required.
every analysis of this sort that I've seen has put nuclear as significantly better than everything else, when all externalities and costs are considered.

>> No.49727170

>>49726266
mostly veterans of several wars

>> No.49727404

>>49725528
>>49725751
bro nuclear energy will never be safe so long as niggers and affirmative action diversity hires exist and you know it.

>> No.49727697

>>49725751
is totally fine bro come on bro just as long as nobody ever makes a mistake now let me put this plant in your backyard trust me bro literally can't go tits up

>> No.49728756

>>49727697
I'd rather have a well managed nuclear plant in my backyard than many other things.

>> No.49728910

>>49727697
I'll take a nuke plant in my backyard any day over a coal plant

>> No.49728943

>>49726382
Yeah, it's more anti-communism proganda than anti-nuclear energy propaganda. The climax of the show is about how the problem isn't that nuclear energy is unsafe but instead that the soviet government created unsafe conditions for its own purposes. It's a good show even if it's libshit.

>> No.49729020

>>49726084
Coal plants, unlike Nuclear plants, actually throw radioactive and cancerogenic shit into air when they are running. Coal impurities are not a thing you want to breathe.

>> No.49729101

>>49725751
Nice FUCKING ID, bro.

>> No.49729163

The problem with nuclear is they have no idea what to do with all the waste.

>> No.49729636

>>49729163
The waste problem is totally exaggerated. There's nothing wrong with burying it under a mountain.

>> No.49729713

>>49725840
Because you are a fucking idiot. Look at the safety records of most plants. Apparently man is incapable of managing these plants safely without major fuck ups and release of radiation.

Besides it makes us all slaves to government. The private industry cannot possibly maintain the waste for 10,000 years so the tab to maintain it safely is left to the taxpayers. They are also extremely expensive to build and without taxpayer funding it just is not done. So in the long wrong it is more expense than any other technology.

>> No.49729761

>>49729020
So I just imagined the cancer clusters that exist around Indian Point and most nuclear plants.

Stop drinking the nuclear power lobby Kool Aid.

>> No.49729783

I work in Nuclear, and this post is retarded.

The amount of funding nuclear is receiving from governments is incredible.

Can't reach Net Zero promises without Nuclear.

Imagine being this fucking retarded. Did you think of this post in the fucking shower?

>> No.49729809

>>49729761
You're fucking retarded.

You have no idea how nuclear energy is created, used or maintained.

>> No.49729825

>>49726492
What kind of information vacuum have you been living in? Did you see the amount of radiation it spread across Europe. Besides the cancer stats increase there are still livestock that cannot be eaten because of high radioactivity.

>> No.49729910

>>49725751
This. It’s really well made and it’s basically an anti-communism doc not anti-nuclear. The central theme is the government being cheap at the risk of peoples lives and forcing cover-ups to save face.

>> No.49729922

>>49729809
No, I read the fucking studies, their own damn safety reports as well as what was submitted to government. You are obviously a nuclear lobby shill or are totally ignorant to make a statement like that.

Either that or you took a course about nuclear power in theory without reading any real world historical experience.

>> No.49729989

>>49729922
>Dubs checked

I literally work in fucking nuclear. I have years of experience and can tell you that you're 100% wrong.

Keep being fed the bull shit from oil and gas companies, anon. Nuclear is safe and effective.

Read the fucking safety reports from oil and gas rigs. At least 10x worse.

>> No.49730003

>>49726221
3.50

>> No.49730047

>>49729989
Based nuke chad.

>> No.49730119

>>49726693
Ask me how I know you are from west virginia

Ask me how I know your meemaw made squirrel dick stew last night

>> No.49730166

>>49725528
>Was this miniseries made to defame the nuclear energy in preparation for the Great Reset
are you literally retarded?
chernobyl happened because some retarded russians being retarded
do you think cars can be defamed because some chinese-made cars explode on the other side of the planet?

>> No.49730271

>>49730166
>do you think cars can be defamed because some chinese-made cars explode on the other side of the planet?
LOL. What about American cars that explode and burn people to death?

>> No.49730282

ITT: A bunch of retards who are spreading oil and gas misinformation about nuclear.

Imagine being this retarded.

>> No.49730389

>>49726756
Yes that is why a lot of post 2000 MSR rediscovery R&D has been around alloys and salt corrosion testing. The MSRe ran for 5 years without problems though so 1950s metallurgy had a lifespan of at least 5 years and there's been some good breakthroughs since then. It's an obvious engineering challenge so its had a lot of focus put onto it.

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>>49725751
>qqqq id

Q? is that you

>> No.49730474

>>49730119
Fuck off, coastal lib. West Virginia is based.

>> No.49730524

>>49726354
I can't believe this anti-russian propaganda. it was 6 million lives you monster.

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>>49725528
>what does the chart say
>$20k USD, but that's as low as it go-
>20k, not great not terrible

>> No.49730700

>>49727697
I'd unironically love a nuclear reactor in my backyard as long as they let me draw as much power as I wanted from it

>> No.49730773

>>49725528
Chernobyl was designed solely for sirenheaded eage-of-seat suspense for suspense's sake enthusiasts and is both unpalatable and unwatchable for those without the same flavour of entertainment illness

>> No.49730787

Yeah, it seems extremely retarded to not use nuclear energy imo

>> No.49731362

Nuclear waste isn't real. If it's nuclear, it isn't waste and can still be used for energy.

Prove me wrong.

>> No.49731478

>>49731362
That's like saying any waste energy isn't real.
>If it's heat, it's energy, and can still be used.
This thinking takes no account of thermodynamics.

>> No.49731509

>>49726266
The Soviet military had to get its shit together in WW2 or be exterminated, and some of that training and knowledge was retained into the 80s. That's why people were expecting Russia to dunk on Ukraine, they thought Russia still had its Soviet era capabilities but in fact it's just a shell of itself.

>> No.49731556

>>49731509
>That's why people were expecting Russia to dunk on Ukraine, they thought Russia still had its Soviet era capabilities but in fact it's just a shell of itself.
Same for the US with the Middle East wars in the last twenty years
The US military is a shell of its former self.

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>>49725528

Only nuclear physicists should respond to this thread.

>> No.49731768

>>49729910
>The central theme is the government being cheap at the risk of peoples lives
It was a good drama but this point in particular is such a weird blunder right at the climax. He calls out soviet planners for being cheap by comparing them to the nuclear systems in the west, because as we all know capitalism is never interested in the cheapest solution possible or saving money at the cost of safety.

>> No.49731938

>>49725892
Cleanup wont be needed if you are doing you job correctly when operating a nuclear reactor. Storage is done on site, and is cheap.

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>>49725528
Not bad, not great

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>>49730648
Based

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>>49725528
No this showed how much it took to fuck up even the old shitty soviet reactors. Let alone new modern ones.

>> No.49732445

>>49725751
Germany literally closed all their nuclear reactor plants. Thinking they would just blow up from any natural disaster after Japan's Fukushima disaster.

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>>49730648
lmao

>> No.49733317

>>49732445
That's because Germans are hysterical retards.

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>>49727404
Based.

>> No.49733367

How many nuclear plants would the US need to power all our energy needs and double them for future expansion?
And how much would they cost?

>> No.49733470

>>49727404
>>affirmative action hires
>>in the nuclear industry

No

>> No.49733567

>>49732445
They have big Earthquakes like the nips?

>> No.49734627

>>49725751
Many such cases when Ukranians are involved.

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>>49725751
>qqqq

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>>49725528

>> No.49736197

>>49733567
No, Merkel is a witch who sold her citizens to Russia for the natural gas. And then Putin invaded Ukraine. Literally every military expert as well as Trump called her out saying this would back fire on her ass. Which it did.

>> No.49736251

>le great reset

hurrr

>> No.49736633

>>49726260
>>49726295
That whole section holds some real wisdom. Currency debasement creates a perverse incentive structure. The critical sentences:
> Instead of working for a living in the countryside, many peasants would leave their farms to move to Rome, where they could live better lives for free.
> devaluing the currency would at once reduce the real wages of workers, reduce the burden of the government in subsidizing staples, and provide increased money for financing other government expenditure.
> speculation in commodities became far more attractive than producing them
A belief workers are overpaid, even in an era where slavery was common. Migrants were better off with gibs in the city than working in the country side. And speculation on assets, way more profitable than producing them. All of these things are repeated, complained about, and otherwise parroted today.

I'm starting to think the root cause of many issues really does come down to currency inflation- debased currency will *always*, without fail, benefit those most who get them first, and the distribution is nearly always asymmetrical- Where did most of the bailout money go in 2020? By the time it trickles down to plebs and causes real price inflation, those same people paying more also have had x percent of their productivity "stolen" by the same inflation.

>> No.49737558

>>49725528
>Was this miniseries made to defame the nuclear energy
Yes.

>> No.49738943

No it was just a reminder to not let communists do anything because the cheap fucks will ruin things for us all.

>> No.49738956

>>49733470
Bro biden appointed an insane tranny to head US nuclear power

>> No.49739012

>>49736197
I'm glad. Stupid bitch. Nuclear is good!

>> No.49739028

>>49727404
Nuclear power has so many fucking failsafes I would trust a nigger with downs to man the switches.

It's braindead. Wild that it requires a degree.

>> No.49739078

The series makes it abundantly clear that it took a faulty reactor design on top of poor decision making and coverups at all levels for things to go wrong. Its a testament to how safe the basic concept is when not run by retards.