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[Anonymous No.49502375]

Is nuclear power a sound investment? Do you see demand for plants and uranium increasing in the next 5-10 years?

[Anonymous No.49502509]

Probably. It's quite obvious that wind and solar aren't cutting it, but most countries are still pushing ahead with green energy policies anyway.
It's worth making a speculative investment in one of the uranium ETFs like URNM. Don't go all in but use it as one of your hedges.

[Anonymous No.49502555]

>>49502375
No
Nuclear is at least 10 times more expensive than the next most expensive energy source.

High gas prices are incredibly bullish for Tesla

[Anonymous No.49502578]

>>49502555
You seem smart
I just went all in on tesla longs

[Anonymous No.49502606]

>>49502375
Once the blackouts start rolling and electrical is triaged, you'll see a monumental rise in nuclear power demand. Green energy is a meme at this point.

[Anonymous No.49502665]

>>49502606
It’s already cheaper than nuclear and doesn’t come with storage of spent fuel.
Whole countries run off green energy. Every American homeowner can afford the $20k it costs to put solar panels up.
If gas keeps doubling every week people are going to figure out solar panels and an EV are much cheaper in the long run.

[Anonymous No.49502669]

>>49502555
>brainlet who got trips
Nuclear is the cheapest and cleanest energy source. Everything works on steam turbines anyway.

[Anonymous No.49502703]

>>49502665

[Anonymous No.49502708]

The safety / compliance aspect makes nuclear projects unbearably expensive.
I'd say a good 80% of the cost is administrative / paperwork.
If it wasn't for Chernobyl & Fukushima, nuclear would be competitive. But unfortunately the industry has been ass fucked by safety regulations to the point where cheap abundant nuclear energy will never be viable until the same issues plague the fossil fuels and renewables industries also.

[Anonymous No.49502719]

>>49502669
Bullshit retard
Nuclear is extremely expensive and comes with huge regulatory red tape.
Expensive to build and store the waste.
Most solar power is paid for by consumers.
Politicians want to give more money to green energy too. There’s a reason we barely use nuclear

[Anonymous No.49502744]

>>49502665
Stop watching msm and their shilling for wind and solar. Maintenance and upkeep alone are more expensive for both of them. And the fact you believe that solar panels are eco friendly is the biggest kek of all. Forget about using deserts for solar farms, one sandstorm is gonna fuck them up completely. Dams are equally as destructive for the environment.
If you truly want clean, plentiful and cheap energy, built two nuclear plants in the middle of buttfuck nowhere and dig a fucking pit for the nuclear waste and you will be golden.

[Anonymous No.49502743]

>>49502708
Plus it’s a giant target for terrorist
Or a potential fuck is like 3 mile island

[Anonymous No.49502747]

>>49502375
Just bought 1 oz plutonium and 1 oz uranium gmi

[Anonymous No.49502757]

>>49502743
If I had millions to invest I'd probably put a few % into SMRs just on the off chance that they materialise the claimed massive cost reductions

[Anonymous No.49502773]

>>49502375
Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima laid nuclear energy to rest in the west except for France. The amount of regulatory bullshit and general NIMBY around it means it would take decades to get a modern plant online, the ones in Georgia are years behind schedule and tens of billions over budget.

[Anonymous No.49502779]

>>49502747
Remember to hold them yourself. Not your keys not your metal.

[Anonymous No.49502785]

>>49502744
It won’t happen and you’re wrong about solar plants in the desert
They have some in the California desert, right before you drive into Nevada and an hour and half north or LA.
Nuclear is the energy source of the past. It’s not worth the issues.
>dig a hole
Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.49502788]

>>49502555
Lol youre either a shill or retarded. Probably both

>yes goy the cheapest cleanest energy is actually the most expensive

>it takes fossil fuels to produce electricity, but totally just buy this over priced electric car. This burn victim looking guy who tweeted some 4chan memes made it!!!! Pay your taxes and vote Trump Desantis in 24


Fuck off

[Anonymous No.49502803]

>>49502719
>The average /biz/anon is literally this stupid
I don't k ow what I was expecting really considering you intellectual juggernauts worship digital fiat.

[Anonymous No.49502814]

>>49502375
SI SENOR

[Anonymous No.49502824]

>>49502788
Seethe harder fag
Nothing he said is wrong
Nuclear regulatory costs make it the most expensive and least used energy source
Even consumer solar, the 2nd most expensive blows it away in usage kw

[Anonymous No.49502827]

>>49502744
>Dams are equally as destructive for the environment.
Correct but who cares? Dams and geothermal are good green energy and should be used with nuclear in the areas that support them.

[Anonymous No.49502832]

>>49502744
Most modern reactor designs are pretty foolproof too and will auto shut off before a meltdown or explosion can occur.

[Anonymous No.49502848]

>>49502803
he seems smarter than you and provided a chart to back up his argument where’s your chart

[Anonymous No.49502850]

>>49502665
>believes everything he hears on Fox or Cnn

>Thinks every American can afford a measily 80% of their yearly wages for meme panels

This is whats wrong, we have an upper middle and upper class so out of touch with how MOST Americans live and nore inportantly live without, that they have no idea what world they live in or how blessed they are to have the money they do.


Dont worry, you'll know very soon what its like to be dirt poor. Your arrogance and your sins will find you out.

[Anonymous No.49502852]

>>49502827
>not caring about the environment
nigger behaviour

[Anonymous No.49502859]

>>49502824
Enjoy power triage then.

[Anonymous No.49502885]

>>49502850
every american homeowner can afford solar panels
stop crying poorfag
>>49502852
says the guy suggesting the energy source spilling into Fukushima

[Anonymous No.49502891]

>>49502719

[Anonymous No.49502905]

>>49502885
Nuclear power can be safe though
Putting reactors in earthquake / tsunami land is not

[Anonymous No.49502910]

>>49502885
>i say something so its gotta be true. Jist try stop being poor, work harder etc etc

True shit wit right here. Like i said, you'll be poor soon enough you spiritual kike

[Anonymous No.49502963]

>>49502375
Nuclear regulations are only getting more expensive
Green energy is getting less expensive as the tech advances

[Anonymous No.49502976]

What's the deal with all the anti nuclear shills ? Fusion reactors are coming and will solve most issues with nuclear energy.

[Anonymous No.49502979]

>>49502963
this, you’re buying a falling knife

[Anonymous No.49503005]

>>49502976
not regulatory red tape, you’ll never change the perception and cost of regulations and number of hoops
no local places want the risk of a terrorist target or accident waiting to happen

[Anonymous No.49503060]

>>49502976
low IQ, there is literally no alternative, nuclear power is the future.

[Anonymous No.49503061]

>>49502976
Fusion is a meme and will always be 30 yrs away
Stars only work due to the immense gravity that cannot be replicated on earth

[Anonymous No.49503106]

>>49502555
nuclear is literally the cheapest, chud

[Anonymous No.49503121]

>>49502976
Fission is fine and we should be using it now.

[Anonymous No.49503144]

>>49503106
Only nuclear companies say that
Look at the market idiot
Where’s all the new nuclear plants?
Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.49503153]

>>49502375
No because when nuclear power plants aren’t maintained or there’s human error it can cause radioactive leaks that destroys everything around it

[Anonymous No.49503174]

>>49503144
Nuclear companies only use the cost to run a plant
They don’t count the building, regulations, and storage of waste
They’re scammers

[Anonymous No.49503187]

>>49502976
Ahh yes as society falls apart, western countries full of 3rd world retards, on the brink of civil wars - let’s bust out the nuclear reactors!!

Nucleartards are short sighted idiots. Sure it’s cheap and efficient, but what happens when people no longer can maintain them or they become targets for attacks? We just destroy the planet I guess…? Umm lol, use your fucking brain. The human race is not responsible enough to be in charge of nuclear reactors, we already proved this multiple times and now Japanese are dumping radioactive waste into the ocean. We did it Reddit!

It takes years to decommission a reactor to make it safe enough that humans don’t have to constantly baby it

[Anonymous No.49503190]

>>49503144
>Where’s all the new nuclear plants?
People are waiting for the state to stop threatening them with imprisonment using their monopoly of violence before building more.

[Anonymous No.49503214]

>>49502976
I think they're funded by the oil and coal industry and they masquerade as greenpeace hippies.

[Anonymous No.49503225]

>>49503187
this
I don’t trust humans with anything nuclear

[Anonymous No.49503239]

>>49502976
They might also be Chinese state operatives spreading disinfo, since China is moving ahead to build 200+ new nuclear fission reactors over the next 15 years.

[Anonymous No.49503268]

>>49502963
there is no such thing as green energy.

[Anonymous No.49503276]

>>49503225
And neither do the people who operate nuclear reactors - the power plant near me pays security guards like 45 dollars an hour to stand outside of it 24/7 with fully automatic rifles and they’re basically taught to shoot on sight if a car so much as crosses the gate without authorization. A friend of mine who works there told me a story about how they were basically seconds from mag dumping a drunk driver that hit their external barrier

[Anonymous No.49503331]

>>49502555
https://youtu.be/jjM9E6d42-M
Here you go.

[Anonymous No.49503358]

>nuclear power

there's nothing like a big fat "HIT HERE" for your enemies when you're at all out war.

[Anonymous No.49503584]

>>49502976
low IQ and/or bootlicker NPC's

nuclear is literally the only option to replace O&G as a grid backbone

[Anonymous No.49503772]

>>49503005
That's a load of bullshit. "Green" energy is not green because you still need conventional plants to replace it when it doesn't work, which actually happens really often for a lot of different reasons. You also can't recycle the wind turbine wings.

>>49503214
>>49503239
Considering how those are constantly fucking us in the ass with stupid regulations and shilling I wouldn't be surprised. Low IQ and brainwashing is also on the table.
>>49503153 is either underage or retarded for example.

[Anonymous No.49503829]

>>49503331
>>49502976
here comes the thorium and fusion midwits

[Anonymous No.49503874]

>>49503772
Nothing you said changed that no place wants a nuclear plant near them
They always run over budget and take longer to build
You would have to change the system to eliminate the bureaucracy
You’re points are right but you’re focusing on things that don’t matter in the big picture
Solar and wind are getting cheaper
Nuclear is getting more red tape
They’re apples and oranges at this point

[Anonymous No.49503903]

>>49502375
GEN IV nuclear reactors will be the next big thing. So yes

[Anonymous No.49503916]

Nuclear is unbelievably dogshit and expensive, Thorium still hasn't happened, fusion is 50+ years away if at all, you need to keep building coal and gas plants unless you want to live in blackout city

[Anonymous No.49503968]

>>49503331
And yet no one uses thorium and nuclear is a tiny % of our power supply

[Anonymous No.49504078]

>>49503874
So you're telling me that we can't have good things because the politicians who write the laws and the people who are electing them are too stupid to understand what's good for them ? That's very sad to hear, and I need to start to learn Mandarin in that case, because China is going to take over us thanks to their cheap energy.

[Anonymous No.49504239]

>>49502976
can't profit if you're energy independent

[Anonymous No.49504258]

>>49504078
Yeah where the fuck have you been and why would you expect anything different

[Anonymous No.49504341]

>>49502375
No one in this thread owns any nuclear stocks or investments
Every nuclear bull is an incel larper

[Anonymous No.49505230]

>>49502885
>says the guy suggesting the energy source spilling into Fukushima
I love how brainlets will always reveal themselves in any nuclear discussion without fail.

[Anonymous No.49505337]

>>49503358
No one is going to hit a nuclear power plan because doing so almost guarantees fucking yourself over. The Ukraine has a shit load of them and the Russians haven't bombed any because they know full well it'd hurt them just as much as the Ukraine.

[Anonymous No.49505931]

>>49503358
No one attacks nuclear plants for the same reason no one drops nuclear bombs, which would be the response to such an attack.

[Anonymous No.49506135]

>>49502555
>10 times more expensive
not when the government actually pays for it, with the tax dollars they already took.

[Anonymous No.49506922]

>Muh fear
>Muh red tape
>Muh terrorists
You fags deserve to live in fear as slaves to the green energy Jews telling how cheap and clean their electricity is.

[Anonymous No.49507258]

>>49502555
You faggots get this wrong all the time. The main reason why companies like to install solar and wind is due to tax credits provided by government and that it takes 6 months to a year to see a return on investment. Nuclear, due to the NRC, takes anywhere from 8 to 10 years to see any return on investment. Nuclear in the long run is far cheaper per MWH than solar or wind.

[Anonymous No.49507355]

>>49502669
>>49503106
>>49502788
>>49503331
>>49506135
Nuclear is the cheapest to maintain per kW AFTER you built the plant and all capital equipment. But the cost to build a plant is so retardly expensive that we can only build new ones with govt subsidies. Have to survive multiple explosions and rocket projectiles, 9/11 style plane crashes, 10ft floods, and internal core ruptures and explosions, all on top of a mountain of red tape and regulations.

So anon half right

[Anonymous No.49507485]

>>49507355
IMO nuclear cleanest, safest, longest lasting, and cheapest to maintain (after capital expenses). It is what we as a species should pushing towards full throttle, but we won't and never will because the fed will never dare subsidize it. Our suffering is the point

[Anonymous No.49507504]

>>49507355
>Have bestest power source
>Oh noes it's expensive we have to secure it so it can continue to produce of the most vital resources of our civilization in the face of war, natural disasters and Chinese engineers with Chinese diplomas
I wouldn't want a hastily build nuclear reactor anyway.

[Anonymous No.49507645]

>>49507504
Not saying nuclear being overbuilt is bad, just throwing out there that yes, it is the most expensive. Just need fed subsidies to make viable, which, if we want to continue living with power in the first world, are desperately needed

[Anonymous No.49507711]

>>49502891
Why don’t we do a counter attack for the left?

Step 1. Leftism is a mental illness
Step 2. Being mentally ill means they don’t see reality properly ( 2+ 2 = 5, women are men, men are women, etc)
Step 3. Unable to see reality properly means critical failures in processes
Step 4. Critical failures = ultimate destruction (sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon, death of empires)

[Anonymous No.49507788]

>>49502719
Holy fuck how can a post be so lacking in self awareness and have so many contradictions in it?

[Anonymous No.49507971]

until thorium and/or fusion is ready nuclear fission is the best we have. the energy market wants more nuclear but it's heavily dependent on government regulation whether we get it. they're still not storing the spent waste in a safe and sustainable way though that's an issue, temporary storage solutions are only acceptable if they're actually temporary and i don't trust them to actually put a more permanent waste storage solution in place. they tried to bury it in a mountain as they should but those plans fell through in the us. i also have a concern about nuclear plant disasters potentially contaminating sources of fresh water or radiating the fish supply.

[Anonymous No.49508129]

>>49507711
Ofc we are at step 3. Critical failures in processes (price inflation, debt:gdp ratio, deficit spending, 3-front war—war on Americans, war on Russians, war on ccp). The severe mental illness of the left creates a positive feedback loop that will increase/exacerbate the critical failures in processes. They will try to drag everyone down with them, esp through force of law (mandatory vax, forced grooming, forced equality, gun removal/self defense denial, carbon cap, eating bugs, open borders, etc). These will lead to overwhelming the very laws that they try to enact and they only solution is to enact more tyranny. This is the most dangerous phase. Reality hasn’t set in yet, mental illness is increasing, full stage denial. A dictatorship has 2 options. Go full genocide/democide (aka pol pot) or allow a controlled collapse like the fall of the ussr. There is also a mixed solution of faux government mandates to trick as many to suicide, which is what we saw with the “vax mandates”, while allowing a controlled collapse. Nevertheless irregardless, the end result is population collapse.

[Anonymous No.49509813]

With rising oil costs and the clear failure of green initiatives, nuclear seems like the only way to secure energy independence, which is the last thing our leaders want.

>>49503239
Honestly if anyone is going to build shitty plants prone to meltdowns it will be the Chinese. They'll ruin it for the rest of the competent world.