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Stock market discussion and more!

>Game
http://www.marketwatch.com/game/biz-game-/
Password: merchant

>Trading Hours
Monday - Friday
0930 - 1600 EST
1430 - 2100 UTC

>Educate yourself
http://www.investopedia.com/university/stocks/

>Previous threads
>>>>>>http://archive.foolz.us/_/search/boards/biz.dev.foolz/text/Password%20%3A%20merchant%20/type/op/

Useful Links:
>Stock Price Charts
https://www.google.com/finance
http://finance.yahoo.com/
>Investing Wiki
http://www.investopedia.com/
>Advanced Graphics, Visuals, etc.
http://finviz.com/
http://finviz.com/map3d.ashx
http://stockcharts.com/

>Joke of the day
buying the AAPL hype

>> No.477030

More reading material:

http://pastebin.com/2TY7WcfR

>> No.477031

Day trading:

http://pastebin.com/E4EF5P9v

>> No.477045
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>2014
>not investing in Berkshire Hathaway

>> No.477048

>>477045

I wish I had $200,000 to spend on a profitable tax shell.

>> No.477049

>>477048
Do you know that there is also BRK-B?

>> No.477051

>>477049

Is it a tax shell?

>> No.477052

>>477051
I don't really know...

Maybe someone with a bit more experience and better understanding of the markets can answer this.

>> No.477053

>>477052

What the fuck?

I thought I was talking to Warren Buffet?!

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>>477053
Now I'm confused.


AAPL 5day chart looks interesting...

Also, PCYC doing nice today.

>> No.477121

>>477094

H Y P E
Y
P
E

>> No.477158

>>477094
>>477121
Explain, whats the hype? Should i buy now?

>> No.477216

>>477158
Too late shoulda bought the dip for short term gain.

You could buy now and hold long term, honestly. It'll get to 120.

>> No.477281

Posted in trading thread, no response:

What's a good exit point for yhoo shares with the alibaba ipo looming? I had a limit at $42/share but it closed at $41.81 the other day so I think that's a little low

>> No.477296

>>477094
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2014/09/09/apple-stock-day-trader-iphone-watch-payments/15353061/

bought after the tech bubble recovered in May and sold when it reached 100 in August, considered waiting for the iphone 6 hype then selling just before the announcement to mitigate risk but I decided it wasn't certain enough, 100 is not only a round number, but also its last peak in 2012, before the split 7 for 1 the peak was 700, they obviously decided to split 7 for 1 to make 100 a target price

>> No.477543

What do ya'll think about ATVI? I have a good amount invested in them. Think they will pop the top on their records within the next few months?

>> No.477660

Do you think that the war on IS will affect the stock market?

THANKS OBAMA

>> No.477753

HCLP is doing pretty great right now if you are interested in those sand companies that give their shit to fracking companies. It has been doing amazing for a while actually.

It gives a solid dividend too.

Summer 2014 - 0.575 (0.89%)
Spring 2014 - 0.525 (1.31%)
Winter 2014 - 0.51 (1.37%)
Fall 2013 - 0.49 (1.58%)

Been dropping off in percentage recently because stock price has been rising at an unprecedented rate.

>> No.477754

>>477281
once alibaba goes live yho should hit your limit

>> No.477783

Under 1200 soon?

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>>477783
Forgot pic

>> No.477794

Which online brokerage do people here use? I'm not a US-based investor but keen on investing in US market. Can anyone recommend an online brooer to use? Thanks

>> No.477796

>>477794
Well I'm Austrian and use my banks broker (Brokerjet) it works just fine but I pay like 20$ per trade if I trade in the US market.
Can't be bothered to handle the tax shit if I were using an American broker though.

>> No.477800

>>477796
Woah, that's expensive. I use an online Italian bank (based in Italy of course) and I pay 12,95$ per trade in the US market. If I traded a lot they would even reduce that up to 3,95$.
And yes, the "tax burden" is really what makes me stay inside the Italian borders.

>> No.477810

>>477800
>If I traded a lot they would even reduce that up to 3,95$.
Fuck, I'm jealous.
Damn bank. I keep pouring more money into my account so the trading fees don't hit me as hard.

>> No.477813

>>477810
I'm from austria too and use brokerjet. Is there no good alternative for us? What about interactive brokers?

>> No.477814

>>477813
Well from what I know there's direktanlage and Flatex, haven't tried either but I've heard good things about Flatex.

>> No.477819

>>477796
>>477800
Damn, those are expensive fees! The country I live on doesn't have a local broker that allows me to trade US stocks unfortunately....

I play the stockmarket in my local market, but since my currency keeps on depreciating against USD, might as well open a trade in USD...

>> No.477968

bump

>> No.478318

Britfag signing in.

I'm very young, but have about £10,000 ($16,000) to invest. I've done my research into the markets, and have been told by just about every source that at my age I should be almost purely growth investing, as in personally picked stocks and funds that primarily invest in AIM and such sectors.

I was thinking a 70% stocks, 10% high-risk funds, %10 bonds and 10% p2p/other portfolio.

Is this the right way to go about it?

Any advice for a new investor would be much appreciated.

>> No.478852

>>477784
Still falling

>> No.479143

Does anybody play anymore?

>> No.479172
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Been goofing around on virtual account

>(1) sell a fuckload of puts 1 sdev below monthly average
>wait a month
>If no assignment go back to (1)
>(2) sell a fuckload of calls either 1 sdev above current trading or at/just above what I paid for the equity I now own
>wait a month
>If I still own the stock go to (2), otherwise go back to start (1)

Seems fairly effective on AMD with my puts at 3.50 and calls at 4.50.

>> No.479355

anyone playing PSEC? think it'll be BTFO soon?

>> No.479543

>>477051
Some companies have different classes of stock to defer voting rights from retail trading plebs like yourself to company management and big money investors.

>> No.479605

>>477281
I got rid of mine today. I was expecting $43.50 to be the ceiling, but with all this extra hype, maybe it'll reach $45.00 right before the IPO. $43.00 is really a fair exit point though, which you could have taken today.

>> No.479728

>>479355
Like the concept, don't like the reaction to the last earnings report. Can't for the life of me figure out its books, so it's on the "nope, at least, not now, and not at this price" list for me.

>> No.480076

AMD under $4. Could this be a buying opportunity before the run up into earnings (20. - 25. Oct)?

>> No.480085

>>479355
I am all up in PSEC.

Come and basque in the monthly dividend. Disregard the price fluctuation. Their rotating credit is a little wonky but whatever. The dividend still rocks, and the business model is solid.

>> No.480341

More sources for education? books, articles, youtube channels anything.

>> No.480423

>>477158

>slow rise on low volume

wait for the next dip then buy.

>> No.480447

So I've been thinking of buying myself some Rubles. I don't expect Russia to be sanctioned forever, so once the Ukrainian thing blows over the Ruble should go up, right?

>> No.481552

bump

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>>480085

>Come and basque in the monthly dividend.
>basque

>> No.481746

>>477800
you guys are getting #rektttt. check "Stichting De Giro" it's m'y brocker. it's dutch. fucking 0.30 € per order nigga

>> No.481759

>>480447
why dont you sell some euros? once putin takes over ukraine/gets pro russian gov in place euro will smash the bottom

>> No.481774

>>477045
Who holds onto a single stock for 35 years?

>> No.481854

>>477543
interested as well.

>> No.482137

>>477753
>telling people to buy a C rated stock

the wolf strikes again

>> No.482634

20min till the bell

>> No.482645

>>477045
What happens when based WB dies?

>> No.482646

>>482645
Thats a good question. Why not ask him? He should know it...

>> No.482650

>>482646
Is he posting on /biz/?

>> No.482651

Does anyone use this method?

http://stockcharts.com/public/1107832

I was told it's pretty legit by a bank department director who swing trades in his free time.

He said not to take it all for granted, but that the principles are sound and make sense.

>> No.482653

>>482650
Yeah sure, every day.

>> No.483163

Anyone been lookign at BP? They look about read for a bounce back, people are focasting ~500

>> No.483250

any opinions on good prices to get in on Facebook or GM for long term holds?

I'm thinking facebook under 70 and GM needs to tank more on massacre news before going long

>> No.484238

Bump. Come on /biz/

>> No.484242

Will coal ever make a comeback? I bought BTU at 24 2 years ago; I'm praying for presidential elections to increase the value. Fucking EPA fucked me over so bad.

>> No.484252

Currently I have 2000 euros to invest in the stock market. Now I have the half invested and waiting to close my position. For the next one, I am considering trying with hour candles in my chart rather than daily (waiting a month is too slow for me) What do you think?

>> No.484362

What does /biz/ think of direxion leveraged ETFs? Are they good for short term trading?

>> No.484614

>>477660

Read the sticky.
>>>/pol/

>> No.484616

>>477753

>sitting dividends

Why do people do this?

>> No.484642

>>478318
I don't know shit about UK bonds. I don't know much about UK investing either, but apparently things in Europe are getting kind of tough now. However, some good British Companies you can trade over there are BP, Unilever, and National Grid seems to be a solid choice. Glaxosmithkline too. All of those names are solid dividend companies, which is why I like them. Hope I could help start your search.

>> No.484646

>>480076
AMD has pretty commonly had bad quarters and conference calls, so I wouldn't count on some blowout number.

>> No.484679

>>478318
picking stocks is only a good idea if you can honestly say you have an idea of how to pick stocks. chances are you don't(not taking a dig at you, most people don't, including myself). ive worked as a fixed income derivatives trader for 5+ years and ive never owned a stock in my life.

>> No.485014

>>484646
But almost every time, there's a run-up into earnings,
followed by a heavy sell-off in the after-hours.

>> No.485063

4chan IPO? When moot?

>> No.485287

>>477045
The ride never ends.

>> No.485295

>>485287
BRK-B $140 today?

>> No.485297

>Berkshire Hathaway Inc.
>NYSE: BRK.A - 16 Sep 16:00 ET
>207,745.00 Up 635.00 (0.31%)

Can someone explain that last line please? What's the time scale of the increase? How much is one share?

>> No.485302

>>485297
One share is over 200k. It's from today.

>> No.485304

>>485302

I can't even afford 1 share. How the fuck am I supposed to invest?

>> No.485306

After knowing this, why the hell would one buy stocks?

>> No.485308

>>484252
>2000 EUR
Forget about it, the commissions will eat you.

Don't start if you don't have at least 50k USD free money lying around.

>> No.485310

>>485304
Buy BRK.B stupid.

>> No.485329

>>485304
You can buy BRK-B shares, they are 100 bucks a share.

>> No.485334

>>485308
Not really if you own (a) good stock(s). I had only 7,5k last year in february and made over 70%. After commisions and tax I was at +3450€. 1250 tax and over 300 fees for the trades (buying and selling) and more than 160 for my stock account ( fuck my old "broker" raiffeisenbank...). I have to add that I was probably just lucky with my AMD choice.

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I still think google will reach its all time high soon/next few weeks. The google chart from frankfurt looks more interesting than from nasdaq.

>> No.485344

>>485341
Here's the 1 year chart.

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>>485344
Fuck. I really need a better phone and more concentration...

>> No.485350

>>485341
>>485344
>>485346
I believe it's part due to the EUR/USD exchange.

Also, what's going on today with Google Finance? It displays yesterday's data and believes the US market is in after hours.. Is it only me?

>> No.485355

>>485350
Same here. Sept 16 6:34PM EDT

>> No.485356

>>485350
>>485355
It works for me.

>> No.486469

Bump for thursday.

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486965

How far will it go?

>> No.487130

>>486965
I ask myself the same thing.

>> No.487419

>>486965
Higher and higher until the fed does something about interest rates. And that isn't happening anytime soon.

>> No.487768

>>479143
What happened? Where is everyone?

>> No.487817

DAX heading to 10000 points again.

EUR is shit.

Gold under 1200 in the next few days?!

>> No.489351

>>486965
20k by 2017, just in time for the Fed to start liquidating their holdings from the bail outs.

>> No.490352

>>489351
So we still have a few years of this bull market ahead?

>> No.491101

Bump for the new week.

Anything interesting to watch/follow this week?

>> No.491130
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491130

so i'm new to online trading platforms.
Is this worthwhile to gain some experience before putting money into etrade or something else?

I'm completely new to this

>> No.491131

>>477026
is wype and co kill?

>> No.491132

>>491130
You learn pretty quick, just go for it. Start with $10k so you get free trades for 60 days and play around with things. Nothing helps you learn fast like using your own money.

>> No.491133

>>491130
You dont need a trading platform as a beginner

>>491131
The low amount of posts in these threads the last few weeks worries me. I don't know where they are.

>> No.491136

>>491133
What do you suggest?

>>491132
I don't have 10k to burn right now unfortunately

>> No.491146

>>491136
Just watch some charts and financial data at yahoo. Learn the industrie(s). Search terms you don't understand at investopedia. A trading platform like thinkorswim will probably just confuse you.

Have you already looked at the links in the OP?

>> No.491147

>>491136
Learn about the tax and other laws in your country.

Don't expect to make thousands in a few months with only a few thousand to invest.

Learn the difference between investing and trading (passive, active investing and gambling).

Feel free to ask more questions.

>> No.491173

>>491130
Most people lose money on the stock market. If you are new then use a simulator. Don't waste your own money on it. Treat the simulator as it was your own money. Do it for a year at least(or even longer) while you keep saving, then start investing.

>>491132
>>491146
No offense this is bad advice. Don't fucking tell newbies to start investing right away and especially if they don't even know the basics. Like i said and i repeat my self, most people lose more then they win when they start trading. Use a simulator for at least a year while you read up and learn. That way you get both theory and practice. Simulators are real time and follows the market so fucking use them so you don't lose your money on some stupid shit. This is the fucking basics of it.

>> No.491181

>>491173
I think no new "investor" can treat a sim like it's with his own money. Thanks, i appreciate your opinion on my advice. I'm a "beginner" myself, my first trade was last year in february. I started with the simulaor in august 2013 (polse game from /pol/) and I didn't really liked it. It just doesn't give you the same "feels" like with trading your own money.

>> No.491187

trading is heavily psychological, if you don't learn to emotionally detach yourself from your choices and understand how randomness works and especially so in the markets, you will struggle to consistently make money, if you don't blow your bank straight away that is.

/watch?v=GhKJ9P3agRc

books to read:
Fooled by randomness
Market Wizards
Trading in the zone

>> No.491189

>>491187
and as someone just mentioned, trading with a sim or using 'paper money' will not emulate the emotional attachment in your trades, i have no doubt at all that any trader will have to tweak or heavily change their personality and views to become successful

>> No.491190

>>491181
Obviously one is gonna be more emotionally invested in ones real money. But what I mean is to use the simulators and treat it like it was the real deal. Do the research, keep up with the news, speculate and talk and share ideas with others and just get in to that whole mindset and also get the experience of trading, losing and winning, making mistakes and doing shit right even if its virtual. If you can play that game then its no different then real life shit. You can compete against others who are using it so there is always that little competition to give it more feels and intensity if you need that.

Its just not a good idea to jump right in to it with no knowledge and experience when you can easily get both knowledge and experience without no real risk. And people fucking say oh yeah "just take your 10k, read investopedia and jump in to it, you'll be fine!" No you wont. You'll be broke.

www.investopedia.com/simulator
www.wallstreetsurvivor.com
www.marketwatch.com/game/stock-market-simulator

>> No.491254

>>480076
AMD's direct competitor, NVIDIA just released a new set of cards, GeForces GTX 980 and 970 based on Maxwell tech, which are very fast and efficient , better than AMD's current offerings... but expensive.

AMD have currently no response, and are cutting prices on their n290's.

I reckon AMD might spike around Christmas if they keep slashing prices on their cards, as their 290 card has "the most bang for the buck"
and PC gamers always upgrade around xmas.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/09/18/when-to-buy-a-video-card-week-in-tech/

>> No.491277 [DELETED] 

I want to invest in Capital One since it looks like they'll be doing a big contract with Costco in a few years following the Canada switch. When is a good time to buy?

>> No.491305
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I like those charts from Not Jim Cramer. Some of them are very interesting.

twitter.com/Not_Jim_Cramer

>> No.491325

>>477045
What's the advantage of BH not doing a split. Only the wealthiest can afford it, how does that boon the stock price?

>> No.491337

>>491325
Read the thread. There's also BRK-B

>> No.491350

>>491325
This >>491337
Also, there are advantages.
No dividend -> more cash to re-invest
No split -> people must buy BRK.B, which has a near-none voting power, and probably, less stock liquidity/volatility.
From Wikipedia:
>reduced the liquidity of the stock. This refusal to split the stock reflects the management's desire to attract long-term investors as opposed to short-term speculators.

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http://finviz.com/map3d.ashx

Pretty red today

>> No.491431

>>477026
What should a complete beginner start learning about first? Stocks or forex?

Also are there any websites like BabyPips but for stocks?

>> No.491438

If I buy a stock and it goes up 1% the next day

Does that mean I could sell it all and make 1% profit?

So if I buy $100 i`d get $101 straight away? (excluding commissions)

So if I bought $7000 and it went up 2.55% and I sold it the next day, it would be as if I left it in a savings account with 2.55% annual interest for a year? (excluding commissions)

>> No.491442

>>491438
Something like that yeah, which is why banks are overrated and just used for liquidity nowadays.

>> No.491453

>>491442

I didnt realise the potential for earnings was so great

But I suppose the catch is 2.55% increases overnight are uncommon?

>> No.491457

>>491453
It's easily possible. I'm already up 2+% on Dupont ($DD) and I have been since the first day I bought it. It all depends on the size of your position, really. 2% on DD for me is 2 bucks and change after commissions, so it isn't really worth it to sell until a much higher percentage/dollar gain.

>> No.491459

>>491438
You also have to pay capital gain tax, depending on your country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax

>>491453
Everything can happen. Even something like -5% in one day.

>> No.491474

>>491133
maybe they just left for other (lol, censorship) chan or whatever other alternative there is. that man really knew how to work a pump and dump scheme.

>> No.491477

>>491457

Yeah commissions are higher than I expected

I`m going to pick some stocks in the next few days and buy them on the investopedia simulator and see what happens

I`ve been interested in stocks for a while but only really looked into it in the last few days and dont intend to jump in too early

How do you guys trade? do you have a program on your computer or an account online or what?

>> No.491484

>>491477
My everyday stock research routine consists of checking my accounts and making trades (no special trading platform), checking the Yahoo Finance app, and also signing up and following stocks on StockTwits.

The only problem I see with trading with "paper money" (simulators) are that any gains you make aren't real. If you make some ridiculously sick trade, or get into a stock at a bottom, you can't replicate that with your real dollars because it already happened and you missed out. I avoid simulators for that reason.

>> No.491485

>>491459
This, also you cant buy and sell stock on the same day -at least not often- without your account being flagged as a day trader and you needing to keep insane amounts of cash on hand in the account

>> No.491493

>>491485
Has this actually happened to anyone on this board? I trade pretty frequently and I haven't gotten anything from TD. Wouldn't they only care about how much cash you have on hand if you had a marginal account and you borrowed money from them? If you're just blowing your own funds away, why should they care?

>> No.491501

>>491403
Eh, yeah. Let's hope for a turn around.

>> No.491511

>>491493

over 25k you aren't subject to pattern day trading rules.

>> No.491576

New to this board and just wondering. Do you guys have an education? student? what your education/ whatre studying etc.

>> No.491589

Alright, so i'm doing fantasy investing with some of my friends (I'm in highschool) for shits and giggles. We started with a million dollars on that Market watch game with short selling and margin trading allowed.

My question is: Should I sell my 2905 shares of BABA at opening tomorrow or is there any chance of a possible even decimal recovery sometime tomorrow.

>> No.491602

>>491576
Studying computer science.

>> No.491606

Has anyone heard of E Toro ?

Stories and opinions would be nice to have.

>> No.491619

best vanguard ETFs?

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who /baba/ here

>> No.491746

Does the market watch game do dividends?

>> No.491750

>>491746
What would be the point of that?

>> No.491751

>>491750
I don't know. To accurately portray the market and the nuances of investing or something. Just a question.

>> No.491752

>>491589
Long LBIO

I played a stock game with my two best friends and made 300% on my money

>> No.491756

>>491751
I'm not sure there are any nuances to dividends other than reinvesting them.

Why not just ask how authentic of a simulation in is?

>> No.491758

>always hear stories of guys turning $10k into over $100k in a year
how possible is this?

>> No.491759

>>491756
Alright then: How authentic of a simulation is the realistic setting on the Market watch game?

>> No.491768

>>491759
I've no clue. I don't do simulations because they're a waste of time.

>> No.491769

>>491768
i hate you so much right now

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>>491769
Godspeed

>> No.491787

>>491173
>All this anger
Sure, it's a bad idea to jump right in if you can't accept the chance of losing money. But if you are willing to take on that risk, it really is the best way to learn. You'll be kicking yourself if you do well on a simulator too, since you're not realizing any actual returns.

Starting with $10k is exactly what I did, and it's working out great for me. Just don't be too adventurous with your first trades, set a trailing-stop, and you'll be fine.

>> No.491804

>>491758
plz respond

i-i don't want to be poor ;_;

>> No.491817

>>491804
Not very possible, unless you're investing that 10k into a business instead of the market. And even then you'd still be more likely to fail than anything else.

Pick a more reasonable goal than 100k in a year.

>> No.492036

>>491817

I`m playing it safe and would be happy with 5% plus inflation

>> No.492040

>>492036
Index funds are pretty safe. But no one knows when the correction will happen....

>> No.492064

Are there any MUST READ books on forex ?

>> No.492087

A quick question: if I have a pirated version of MS Office, will I still be able to import stock quotas into Excel?

>> No.492127

It looks like it's another red day today.

>> No.492193

Anyone else still bagholding GMO? Fuck you wipe.

>> No.492194

>>492193
ye i bought 1000

leaving it. dont care

>> No.492210

>reading about how its always important to know what a business actually does and evaluate it before you invest
>go out
>A guy starts talking about he just started playing the stock market
>invested £5000 into bitcoin stock
>Literally didnt know you could use bitcoin as currency
>Bought at $500 sold at $390

Does everyone here try to understand every business before they buy stocks in it? I`m a total beginner but that sounds like execelent advice to me

Also the guy claimed he got £3000 profit because some of his stock gained £3000 while others lost about 11k lmao

Any more stories feel free to add

>> No.492211

How does one go about starting from scratch? I've somehow lost 1.5billion in this game and I don't remember if that's me or someone messing with me.

>> No.492214

>>492210
I'm just starting out, so this is what I'm kinda aiming for.
>Select a few stocks to monitor
>Start out with no more than $1000 and only buy low-priced stocks
>get to know the basics of what affects these companies

Something like that.

>> No.492216

Depends on your style of trading/investing. I'd say an investor who is buying individual stocks would benefit from some fundamental analysis.

A TA trader not so much. Its pretty much about charting, you don't even really need a newsfeed.

>> No.492219

whats hot today?

>> No.492275

>>492210
What the fuck is a bitcoin stock? Who are the others that lost 11k?

Also, I think you made a mistake in your post.
>Bought at $500 sold at $390
>£3000 profit

>> No.492284

>>491804
It depends on one thing. How much are you willing to retrade? If you have 10k and you want to increase it 100% in 12 months, say, first of all, you invest all of your 10k (a beyond terrible idea) into some very cheap stock, which doubles in like a week, and leaves you with a net total of 20k.

If you're only willing to reinvest 10k, or less than 10k, then it would obviously be a lot more difficult to achieve your end-goal. N.b. that it's an earning curve(™, kek), so the more money you have the easier it is to generate surplus money (based on an assumption about your risk tolerance (which is that your risk tolerance increases commensurately with respect to your risk capacity))

So, yes, to answer your question, it is very possible. It's based on your risk tolerance, which is based on your raw skill. The thing is, despite it being possible, not many people at all will ever do this, because not many people at all understand what raw skill is and how to get it.

My advice to you is to not think of it in terms of 'getting wealthy', or even 'not being rich', because these are impositions which you place upon yourself which inhibit you from playing the markets how they're supposed to be played. Pensez 'laissez-faire', de la façon la plus générale possible.

>> No.492315
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492315

>joined the bizgame
>only north american market

>> No.492320

>>477026
>allowing stocks like RSH (Radioshack) to trade

No wonder why the scoreboard is so broken

>> No.492341

Wal*Mart is going to buy Rite Aid in 2015

WMT wants in on the pharmacy space, RAD is finally back in the black after years of losses and would only cost 10B for +4000 stores

CVS 90B

WAG 60B

>> No.492368

>>492275

He also invested in other stock, some of which increased by 3k apparently

But he lost 15k overall

I thought it was funny that he claimed to have made 3k when overall he lost 12k thats why I mentioned it, but then I shortened down my post so it didnt make so much sense anymore

>>492341

This would increase walmart stock price amirite?

>> No.492460

Should I buy today or wait until tomorrow? I don't think it's likely to have two minus 100~ days for the Dow and it not correcting. I guess what I'm asking is will the correction likely happen tomorrow?

>> No.492462

What is the best online brokerage for someone who doesnt want help/advice etc

Are there alternatives to online brokerages?

>> No.492488

>>492193

Yup, might as well let it sit at this point, check back in 6 months maybe.

>> No.492489

Omg GMO

LOLOLOLOLOL

>> No.492514

https://www.share.com/

Is this place any good?

Any experience with it

>> No.492541

Why wont any of the simulators let me trade SGDM?

Does that mean those brokerages dont do etfs or something?

>> No.492567

Yao whats some good software that i'll need for trading & shit

>> No.492747

>>492210
Sure it's helpful to understand the business, but reading the news and understanding basic math will get you pretty far. Trends like YHOO's spike leading up to the BABA IPO are pretty easy to call. Or FDX right before the recent earnings report.

>> No.493322

thoughts on direction of CELG ? it broke a 6 month trendline on 9/15, has since rallied but I've got 15k that says this fucker is going to fall to about $85 very soon. anyone else>?

>> No.493442

>>493322
I wouldn't bet against it.

>> No.493460

I got blocked by at least one person last night on StockTwits for making rational points about the iPhone 6 Plus bending issue. I was one of the first people to talk about it on there. Apparently a ton of them think that it's fake and created by Samsung, or that people are sitting with their phones in their back pockets and it bends.

People are in denial of the story, yet I'm listening to it being talked about right now on CNBC. This is no small issue and can't be fixed without a recall of the bent phones and strengthened cases distributed for free to iPhone owners. And now apparently iOS 8.01 has major software issues.

TL;DR a larger drop than we see today might be coming for $AAPL. However, I will admit it will be wiped out once earnings come out. It will be interesting to see what their response will be to this bending issue.

>> No.493549

>>493460

Everyone I know with an iphone has has issues with IOS 8.1 but it doesnt seem to have put any of them off

Also what is the best online broker to use in the UK? they all seem low-budget and shoddy compared to the ones I was looking at based in the US

I dont need advice or anything- l just want a bare-bones broker

>> No.493856

>>493460
>This is no small issue
I disagree.

The iPhone is by no means the first phone to have this problem, and it definitely won't be the last. You're only hearing about it because Apple products always make the news. Previous phones with this kind of problem get mentioned once or twice on tech blogs, then are never heard about again. Sure, it's not a good thing, but the negative reaction is definitely being blown out of proportion. It's also important to note the regular iPhone 6 is not affected. I doubt sales will be impacted in any relevant way, and this will definitely drop off the radar by Monday.

>it will be wiped out once earnings come out.
This is really what matters. Sales are huge, and bending issues alone won't be enough to pull the brakes.

>> No.493871

Sell CFG at market open tomorrow y/n?

>> No.494183

Fuck gold

>> No.494364

How do people think the stock market as a whoile will fare in the following years?

Continue to rise, fall, crash?

Any strong opinions?

>> No.494367

>>491758
>>491804
>>491817

It's absolutely possible. It also requires a fair bit of knowledge of securities and risk. The first thing that comes to mind are playing some really volatile options. You are more likely to lose all your money really quickly that way, but you could make 10x profit if you were really good/lucky.

That said, that's the type of thing you throw 10k away on because it's not a lot of money. The people doing that can afford to lose that money. It also doesn't scale up. Turning 10k in to 100k in a year? Pretty doable. Turning 100k in to 1M? Not so much.

>> No.494368

>>494364
Barring catastrophic meltdown, gerrally up.

If we somehow manage catastrophic 2008 levels of dumb fuckery, way down with a good buying opportunity.

>> No.494518

Bought some ARP today. Was waiting to get it below 19 and finally got it. Still expecting it to drop though. Wouldn't mind buying more at 18.50 ish

>> No.494549

Fucking ATVI. Really didnt want to hold it long term but I'm wary of spending more money to avg down for the pop too.
Maybe I should just set a stop and be ready to lose

>> No.494618

>>494518
Woah, that stock stinks. It paid a 12.5% dividend this year, and it has a negative EPS of 2.16$.
Something is off.

>> No.494658

>>494618
S'all good my friend. Common for MLP's to have a high distribution and even a negative EPS. They also have a successful parent company (they operate like KMP does to KMI) that could help them out if anything major does happen. From what I can tell and understand the dividend is safe.

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>>493460
>yfw you realise that I created the false stories of bending phones, sold it to the media and rival companies so the stock prices would come down
>no matter what through unwarranted consumer trust/delusion people will buy iPhones so prices will go back up

>> No.494673

My grandma gave me 109 stocks she had of metlife. They were IPO shit from back in the day. seen the shit go from like 60 to 20 back to 60 over the past few years.

>> No.494679

How interesting.

I'm a fund manager at a large asset management firm. Co-manage a global equity fund.
I might actually join this game.

>> No.494685

>>494679
well of course you are and I have no reason not believe you. because 4chan is where fund managers go to chill.

>> No.494688

>>494679
>>494685
Prove it, give us a stock to long.

>> No.494690

>>494685
I don't need you to believe me, it is absolutely irrelevant. I'd also rather no one in the industry knows that I browse 4chan anyway. Big brother is always watching, and this is not the 2000s when anything goes.

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494693

I bought AZN stocks and AAPL stock today/yesterday.

For about 416 USD.
or 3000 sek.

First time buying stocks.

>> No.494700

>>494693
Be ready to buy more AAPL

>> No.494701

>>494688
I will give you a Korean stock that has been on my radar and am likely to buy for one of my funds. Bloomberg code 069620 KS. They just launched a successful botox product in Korea, they also export to the US and South America. Trading at mid-teens P/E, while it's main Korean competitor trading at almost 30x P/E. Chinese women are going to continue to throng towards botox treatments, while insecure western women spurred by social media to look young and beautiful will also not slow down anytime soon.
Earnings growth and Multiple rerating, recipe for alpha.

>> No.494703

>>494701
The name is Daewoong Pharmaceutical

>> No.494705

>>494700
why
Cause they'll sink even more?

>> No.494708

>>494701
So, I guess you either operate in Asia or in the Biotech sector. Is that correct?

>> No.494712

>>494708
nope. Told you, I co-manage a global fund. So, I invest across markets and sectors. I just happened to be doing some research on this name, and thought I'd mention it

>> No.494719

>>494712
Oops. Sorry. My brain is working at 50% today lel.
Can I ask for your opinion on NYSE:DAL?
Just doubled my position today.

>> No.494723

>>494703

What is the ticker? is it on the market at the moment

>> No.494725

>>494723
He gave the ticker in the post above. >>494701
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/069620:KS
http://www.google.com/finance?q=KRX%3A069620

>> No.494728

>>494703
>here we go.jpg
so you're a global fund manager who won't post any proof and are pitching a stock that is at it's peak for the last 10 months.

don't worry it will work - some dumbass put in 50k inot Alibaba.

>> No.494743

>>494719
I'm sorry but I don't have a particularly strong view on it at the moment. If the mgmt. delivers what they are saying, it could continue to do quite well. So far, they have delivered, in terms of keeping RASM above inflation and ex-fuel CASM below inflation, and better capital allocation from the cost savings.
However, it seems expectations are also sky high at the moment, so potential for a positive surprise is lower than a negative one.
In such situations, if you already hold a position, my suggestion would be to keep it, given it is the leader in the industry w.r.t. management discipline, but also do keep an eye out for competitive intensity and mgmt. commentary in earnings calls, and sell at the first sign of any deterioration in these two factors.

>> No.494747

>>477026
joined your game OP

>> No.494749

Anyone make money off of $SKX today? Cool 4% gain for me.

>> No.494757

>>494728
You seem to be both stupid and emotional, although in investing that is often the same thing.

I am not pitching anything, you are free to do your own research and decide if you want to invest or not. You are of course probably a value stock picker, and there is nothing wrong with that. But if you were a value stock picker between 1997-1999 or between 2003-2008, you would be pretty much bankrupt, or at least out of a job if you were in my line of work. I think we are once again in such a market environment, so I do think it is a bit foolish to be a purely value stock picker rather than mix it up with growth and momentum, but that is my personal opinion.
Also, go fuck yourself.

>> No.494768

big announcement coming up for one of the stock I am holding, its one of those make or break moments (or rather if it brakes I will be stuck with the stock for at least another 3-5 years until price bounces back up), If the news are positive I expect the price increase at least three fold (ad I am holding 60k worth of stock)

sorry dont really wanna say what stock it is

>> No.494773

>>494743
Thank you for your analysis. I'm just waiting for a 5-10% stock increase, and then I'll sell. Right now I'm only losing something like 2%, so, for now, I'll wait.
The P/E ratio really attracted me, though.

>> No.494775

Why don't you just buy some calls?

>> No.494784

>>494775
I can't. I don't really know any broker operating in Italy who sells US options.

>> No.494809

>>494784
open account with us/international broker

>> No.494813

>>494809
Not advantageous.
You have no idea how impossible bureaucracy/figuring out how and how much taxes you have to pay might be in Italy.
Luckily the bank handles that for me.
As long as banks here don't offer US options, I won't use them. I will go long/short, without options.

>> No.494814

>>494705
Because the rate of return is 100%

FREE MONEY FOR ALL

>> No.494815

>>494813
isnt there like a flat rate for capital gains which is usually separate from all other taxes and rates?

>> No.494821

>>494815
Yes, but only if the bank withholds it.
Otherwise, things are nasty. You'd have to keep track of every transaction, profits, losses, AND also the exchange rate in the day they happened.
On top of all this, you have to present the Italian version of IRS a statement, which nobody will humanly be able to make for himself. So, there goes at least 250€ for an accountant.
As I said before, it would be insane.

>> No.495082

>>494768
If you won't say what it is, none of us will care because we don't know if it will affect any of us. Wish people would stop doing this. If you're asking for advice we still can't help.

"Hey guys this stock is going to be make or break SOON"

So what, no symbol no interest.

>> No.495296

>>494725

I dont think I can get it through my broker

britbong here

>> No.495314

>>495082
the funny part is, if he really thought posting on here would affect the price [zero fucking chance], and we agreed with him, all 20 of us here with our 20k combined might want to buy in, thus creating more demand for what he holds.

being transparent about stocks here has only pros zero cons

>> No.495415

where the heck is forex dude ? :D

we can just trade stocks :D

>> No.495446

>>495415

Is forex just currencies?

>> No.495509

>>495446
yes

>> No.495522

>Bill Gross quits PIMCO

IT'S OGRE, /SFIG/