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Hey /biz/,
What are some legal alternatives that is comparable to adderall?
I want to try pseudoephedrine but have no idea if its close to addy.
Any advice is appreciated.

>> No.3775223

Maybe don't be a degenerate

>> No.3775231

>>3775218
coffee with sugar

>> No.3775235

>>3775218
I take ephedrine for weight loss cycles. If you take enough it can be similar I guess.

>> No.3775239

>>3775223
I'm looking to improve productivity.

>> No.3775250

>>3775218
meth. everything is legal if you don't get caught

>> No.3775443

Meditate, lift weights, do some cardio.

Also, microdosing LSD.

>> No.3775456

modafinil

>> No.3775485

>>3775456
modafinil is great. it makes me complete apathetic to everything except work tho

>> No.3775497

>>3775218
Microdose 200mg of caffeine every 4 hours. I sometimes take more than 1g a day.

>> No.3775508

>>3775231
>Coffee/sugar is less than an hour buzz, followed by a crash
>Addy is ~4 hour buzz with no crash.
You're out of your element.

>> No.3775572

>>3775497
Doesn't it make you feel sick?

>> No.3775594
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3775594

>>3775508

>addy no crash
>coffee crash

whew lad

>> No.3775631

>>3775594
"Caffeine crash" is a term, remember? Also, Addy is just a slow integration back into sobriety once it wears off, unless you're a complete retard and pop a stupid amount at once.
I'm interested to see what that modafinil stuff is like though.

>> No.3775652

>>3775631
The epic adderal crashes after a month or two of constant use-- I've seen it happen to several people, complete breakdowns. As long as you're not popping it like candy it's no problem, just like most things

>> No.3775784

Marijuana/THC with CBD. The CBD is mandatory. When CBD (and other cannabinoids/terpenes) combine with THC, it creates something called the "entourage effect" wherein the therapeutic potential of marijuana is maximized. It curbs the memory loss, lethargy, and anxiety that might come up with just having THC alone.

I use the two everyday together, and I'm able to go through massive amounts of information while staying focused and immersed, pretty much just having a good time and doing crypto shit. So much so that I forget to eat and sleep, it might be TOO effective.

>> No.3775813

>>3775218
it's called coffee
you only get rushes and crash if you are a newb to coffee or you stop drinking it
moral of the story: never stop drinking coffee

>> No.3775817

Well, you have btc I assume...
Other than that, 2-FMA may be legal in your state. Not sure

>> No.3775841

>>3775218
pseudo works well for me
also, modafinil if you want it to last longer - makes me jittery though.

>> No.3775852

>>3775218
Provigil. Buy from india

>> No.3775861
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3775861

>>3775813
I switched over to espresso myself. Then I started drinking the Cafe Bustelo instant espresso. Good shit, just add water. ~$6 for two to three weeks worth of good coffee.

Haters may now voice their concerns

>> No.3775875

>>3775235

Same. I use it for big work deadlines and combine it with working out a few times a year.

>> No.3775918

>>3775456
This works too. It's like being at the peak of your day for a very long time. Don't expect a traditional stimulation though.

>> No.3775990

>>3775218
Modafinil is easy to get. Doesn't work as a "wonder drug" for me like it does for most but most say it's pretty awesome. All I really get from it is minor angst and insomnia.

>> No.3776176

I'm prescribed 70mg vyvanse and 10mg adderall that I take twice a day, so 20 mg adderall a day total. I don't drink caffeine unless I really need it, and I need to take sleeping pills to fall asleep every night but I usually get shit done. If you can get adderall you can certainly get vyvanse, in my experience most doctors try vyvanse before they throw you on adderall.

>> No.3776194

>>3776176
When you go to your doctor, what is the most effective way to get these prescribed?

>> No.3776255

>>3775218
metamphetamin

>> No.3776273

>>3776194
My reasoning, which has worked the past 4 years, is an increasing amount of school work. I'm still currently with my pediatrician I've been going to since I was a baby, so maybe that helps too. The recent addition was that extra 10mg during the day because I mentioned to her that most of my classes are in the afternoon. I also told her about caffeine not really doing the trick for me, so maybe try steering the conversation in that direction?

>> No.3776299

>>3775218
Pharmafag here. Pseudoephedrine is not anywhere close to Adderall. Adderall is a combination of 4 amphetamines salts, active ingredients being dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine. Pseudoephedrine can be used to make methamphetamine but you need tons of other chemicals and it's highly illegal/dangerous also bad for you.
I suggest skipping the hard stimulants completely.

>> No.3776307

>>3775652

Is this after using normal doses, or more than normal doses every day?

>> No.3776319

>>3775508
>Addy is a 4 hour buzz with no crash
Lol

Its like 14 hours, the last 4 you feel cracked out and can't sleep

>> No.3776325

>>3776307
More like repeated doses over a long period of time. Your body builds a tolerance. The effects range greatly depending on the person, but its always fucking terrible.

I've seen a friend flush them because coming off of them was so bad.

>> No.3776332

>>3775861
you also proably dont enjoy washing your face and looking at yourself for at least 5 min in the mornnig

you also are proably out of shape

>> No.3776350

>>3776319
does the same for me. I hate addy comedowns

>> No.3776355

>>3776332
Haha I can't STOP looking at myself, I'm handsome as fuck good try though

>> No.3776370

2 5 hour energies and 400 mg of Modafinil or Armodafanil. You'll feel like a fucking king

>> No.3776435

>>3776355
but do you wash your face and apply cream after, do you lift as well

>> No.3776478

>>3776273
Find someone who specializes in ADD. These doctors do not accept insurance. You will never get the what you need from a doctor who has to answer to insurance companies. Your insurance should still pay for the prescriptions. If you have been diagnosed with ADD, they will still do tests and it can be pricey. Many of these doctors have ADD themselves.

>> No.3776485

>>3776435
My job is extremely physical and requires heavy lifting and other motions, and I eat almost all fats/proteins and almost no sugar so I'm fit but no I do not even lift

>> No.3776487

Literally impossible to get stimulants from a GP here in the UK. Adrafinil is great but is a little too effective as a wakefulness agent. Get fucking everything done but then can’t sleep.

Suspect I am ADHD inattentive type, but again, nearly impossible to get a diagnosis on the NHS as an adult. My life was operating like a slickly oiled machine when I had access to v small amounts of adderal.

Used appropriately, with scheduled breaks, it is a godsend.

>> No.3776493

>>3776435
And I wash my face every other day, sue me bud

>> No.3776512
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3776512

>>3776478
>Find someone who specializes in ADD. These doctors do not accept insurance.

What kind of doctor is this called?

>> No.3776557

Anyone try Piracetam?

>> No.3776824

>>3776512
Psychiatrist.Use a search engine. Type in your city or a large metropolitan area near you along with ADD doctor, specialist, etc. Be sure that they aren't part of a large practice that is associated with an even larger healthcare group and hospital. Call and ask if they accept insurance. If they say that they don't, schedule an appointment.

>> No.3776862

I like DMAA. I use it for preworkout but it lasts for hours after I finish lifting and during that time I get so much work done

>> No.3776916

>>3775784
What ratio? 95% of plants have only a little cbd. Only new sorts and industrial hemp has good amount of cbd.
You mix sorts or have one with like 1:1 ratio?

>> No.3776948

>>3776557
0 effect on me. Also tried that other *cetam which is supposed to be 1000x amplified. Still crap, nada.

>> No.3776952

>>3775508
try caffine naps
pop two caffeine pills
take a quick nap for 30 mins
wake up to a meth like state

>> No.3777087

>>3776370
Sounds like a fucking stroke waiting to happen. You people taking way too many stimulants. Shits hard on your body.

>> No.3777245

>>3776952
400MG of caffeine?

I always thought 250 was pretty much the line where you feel like shit if you cross

>> No.3777438

>>3775218

Some options to look into:

>Caffeine + L-Theanine (easy to buy, works well enough)
>Modafinil (keeps you up and somewhat focused, I prefer armodafinil)
>Amphetamine sulphate (closest to Adderall)
>D-Methamphetamine (don't be scared, it's fine in low oral doses)
>2-Fluromethamphetamine (meth-lite, similar to lisdexamfetamine, most prefer it over Adderall)
>4-Fluoromethyphenidate (Ritalin on steroids, longer lasting and cleaner)
>3-Fluorophenmetrazine (fluorinated analogue of phenmetrazine, which The Beatles liked, I like it more than amphetamine, but it's untested)
>Isopropylphenidate (cleaner, longer lasting Ritalin, not that strong compared to the other options, but decent)
>microdosing lysergamides/tryptamines/phenethylamines (you can buy these on clearnet)

>> No.3777441

>>3776194
Go to a GP and tell him that you have problems concentrating and have been lacking energy during daytime. Add depression in the lot and make up some sad story like being abused by your parents and shit so that they feel bad for you and give you a Rx prescription of some antidepressants with sleeping pills or ADHD meds.

Most of the GPs are residential medschool students so they don't understand shit yet and use webMD to give you a diagnosis most of the time.

Make sure to go to the shittiest medical centre to get your shit prescribed because the doctors are equally as bad. Don't go to a psychiatrist because they can see through your intentions most of the time, but often they don't care about your well being, they just want to do checkups after prescribing you garbage so that they can sell the data to big pharma companies.

>> No.3777466

>>3776952
This doesn't work for me because the caffeine will kick in between 5-10min.

>>3777245
Depends on tolerance. 600mg and im just barely starting to feel it.

>> No.3777564
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3777564

don't listen to the people in this thread

want adderall? google "adhd doctors in ___"
>call them
>say you think you have adhd based on conversations with friends that have it
>schedule a visit (usually $300-400)
>say you had trouble focusing and bad grades around 11-12 years old
>WARNING: any later and they will send you away because adult adhd diagnosis legally requires CHILDHOOD attention problems
>they start you at a low dose to make sure you aren't a fucking schizo
>next session (in person or phone) is considerably cheaper and they up your dose
>all sessions after that are $50-100 and last 5 mins

>> No.3777656

>>3776194
I'd also like to know this.
I'm always procrastinating everything, and I'm never able to complete/finish anything. I have it so bad that I've been putting off going to see a doctor about it for years. I have heard that before they give you anything they make you sit through hours of tests and I have it too bad to be able to do this it's almost like only the people who dont have it get the meds and the people who do have it cant make it through all the hoops they require you to jump through to get the meds.

>> No.3777669

>>3775443
it helps, but doesn't treat actual adhd

>> No.3777709

>>3775652
This. Addy crashes are brutal - depression increases so significantly once it wears off

>> No.3778046

>>3776176
Holy fuck dude, I've taken both, but never prescribed at the same time and never at the dosage that you're at. That's a fuck ton of amphetimines in one day. I hope you are trying to ween yourself off eventually.

>> No.3778324
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3778324

>>3775652
Wrong, it fucks up your brain chemical balance and frontal cortex, most people can't even concentrate without it after prolonged use.
Do candle meditation 20 minutes a day EVERYDAY and you will see improvement.

t. guy who "cured" his ADD alone and is in final year of med school without being dependant of a substance.

Reality is that ADD isn't a real disease, it's just the result of being constantly stimulated by various source as a child.
The fact that education became totally dominated by women after WW2, who pathologized the normal behavior of little boys (biggest reason girls do better at school is that the environnement and rules are much more adapted to them than boys) reinforced the problem, the fact that it's a multibillion market didn't help either.

>> No.3778341

>>3777709

After I started zoloft I never got a crash again

ssri + amphetamines = god

>> No.3778346

>>3778324
I believe it

>> No.3778349

>>3778324
The fact that you even got into med school alone indicates that you never had ADD.

>> No.3778358

>>3778341
Don't go shooting anybody now, anon... Keep things real

>> No.3778372

>>3778358
in all honestly, the zoloft did make me sociopathic

I have fantasies about killing communists but I wont do anything until the civil war is official

>> No.3778662

>>3778349
They wanted me to repeat at 9, I was constantly punished by the woman teacher and my grades were crashing because I just didn't give a flying fuck about what was happening in class and my parents weren't exactly the severe type.

My grandfather (god bless him), who was a retired greek and latin teacher, stepped in and homeschooled me for 2 years, it was harsh but ultimately it paid off, I still didn't really paid attention to what was happening in class but in these 2 years he gave me basis enough solid to go through middle and high school without putting effort (I'm a quick learner, I just didn't have attention span).

Of course it changed when I had to pass the contest of the first year of medical school (only 1 out of 10 are taken), for the first time of my life I had to study.
I sold my gaming computer, my consoles and literally bought an laptop with no wifi connexion to avoid distraction.

This depravation, 2 friends and with competition pulled me through it but the years that followed I failed 3 times in total because of ADD, I only managed to control it since 2 years with meditation, Anki and sport.

>inb4 nice blog
I have ADD and I know exactly the struggle.