/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.26077106]

if biden forces a $15 min wage literally every small business will go under

[Anonymous No.26077150]

Trump handed control of the country to FEMA if you haven't heard. Biden will not be inaugurated.

[Anonymous No.26077174]

They already went under. Now the corpos can sack a large chunk of their workforce and use the excuse that they just aren’t profitable. Perfect for the reset.

[Anonymous No.26077175]

>>26077106
If you can't afford to pay $15 an hour you don't deserve to have a business.

[Anonymous No.26077192]

>>26077150

[Anonymous No.26077195]

If you can't afford to pay your full time employees a living wage you can't afford to run a business
T. Non-tipper

[Anonymous No.26077194]

Go to pol with this, whiners

[Anonymous No.26077210]

>>26077106
That's the point

[Anonymous No.26077226]

stop posting /pol/ garbage here, please
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.26077254]

>>26077175
>>26077195
>you play by the rules the government sets
>suddenly government changes the rules and youre fucked
>somehow this is your fault

[Anonymous No.26077261]

>>26077175
They should also raise the minimum work age to 18 so we can eternally price and experience zoomers out of the workforce.

[Anonymous No.26077301]

>>26077106
They'll inflate the dollar to balance it out and then throw you bigger government checks to keep you from starving and revolting.

[Anonymous No.26077331]

Also, now spics, muds, and nogs won’t be able to get McChad jobs anymore as they will only want to hire non retards if they’re paying 15/hr
>>26077175

[Anonymous No.26077338]

>>26077226
what if you're a business owner, I have to pay a 16 y/o $15/hour to stock shelves, nah, I might give him some equity in the company since we're going into a stakeholder economy anyway.

[Anonymous No.26077373]

>>26077254
It's literally just getting adjusted for inflation. If you can't afford to pay your employees the same wage you were paying 10 years ago your business is shit and you deserve to shut down

[Anonymous No.26077406]

>>26077106
No, because people who make more spend more at these businesses.

[Anonymous No.26077442]

>>26077106
>implying the min wage will go from 7.25 to 15 over night
>implying the min wage isnt grossly outdated compared to inflation and other 1st world countries

inb4 mad wagie, i make 35/hour and I still think the min wage should be 15/hr

[Anonymous No.26077443]

>>26077106
Why has Amazon been investing millions into automation? To price out their competitors

[Anonymous No.26077452]

>>26077373
>If you can't afford to pay your employees the same wage you were paying 10 years ago
>and also after a whole year of forced shutdown with no profits
you forgot that second part

[Anonymous No.26077485]

>>26077373
Except the adjustment is only for the mcjobs at the very bottom. Everyone else's wages above that will not get adjusted. It's effectively the same as halving everyone else's wages that aren't minimum-wagies

[Anonymous No.26077491]

>>26077106

I'll pay them $15 alright, but I'll install an automatic coin-operated door so that they have to pay a fee if they want to go home each day

[Anonymous No.26077514]

small businesses died in 2020, while I couldn't go to my favorite restaurant indoors, costco,walmart, and target were a-okay. This country is fucked. Oligopoly at its finest. But who cares, just accumulate stacks

[Anonymous No.26077526]

>>26077442
what part of this seems like not overnight to you? its not that i think it shouldnt be $15/hr but literally every small business has been gettin g fucked for a year and this will be the bullet that ends them. only bezos will be hiring and he'll pay you $15/hr whether youve been there 1 day or 20 yrs.

[Anonymous No.26077616]

Except wages haven’t gone up in tandem with inflation. Businesses make more than ever on their goods without compensating their employees the way they used to.

Also I don’t care if if my wage becomes slightly worse relative to the minimum if it means a ton of people are given better financial security. They will put more money back into the economy which helps everyone

[Anonymous No.26077642]

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.26077666]

>>26077175
lmao US is fucked

[Anonymous No.26077704]

>>26077175

This.

[Anonymous No.26077705]

>>26077485
If you're getting paid above minimum and your wage isn't getting adjusted for inflation you're a skillless cuck desu

[Anonymous No.26077721]

>>26077175
>If you can't afford to pay $15 an hour you don't deserve to have a business.

Why

[Anonymous No.26077731]

>>26077106
>if biden forces a $15 min wage literally every small business will go under
No big deal if they sucked that hard they either deserved it or were putting all their money into the caymen islands

[Anonymous No.26077766]

>>26077616
>I don’t care if if my wage becomes slightly worse relative to the minimum if it means a ton of people are given better financial security. They will put more money back into the economy which helps everyone

[Anonymous No.26077784]

>>26077485

This post is why America will never have a functioning society. The entire atomized goyim mass is stuck in the “fuck you I got mine” mindset the kikes want.

[Anonymous No.26077798]

>>26077106
I don't see the problem. Mexicans get to feed their family and I get an Xbox.

[Anonymous No.26077799]

>>26077106
That's the point, these people hate small businesses and just want the multibillion dollar multinational companies to take over. Why do you think they give all these tax loop holes for Amazon or Google or Walmart that are inaccessible to your local gardening store or local grocery store?

[Anonymous No.26077828]

>>26077704
You stupid chink.
Wages are different across the country.
Wages are a function of living expenses in that area.
Putting everyone in the same boat is stupid and will have negative impact on small towns, small cities and urban areas.

[Anonymous No.26077846]

>>26077106
I've already been told by the bike shop I work at, that if $15 happens, they won't be able to keep me.

[Anonymous No.26077853]

I never got why minimum wage was such a big deal. Who is making these wages, 16 year olds working at McDonalds? The only minimum wage workers I see that aren't teenagers are Mexicans. Is that what it's all about? Giving Mexicans more money? Just quit playing the games and just give spics and nigs welfare bucks. There's no need to pretend.

[Anonymous No.26077866]

>>26077175
Indeed, which is why employees will be let go to compensate. It will make it harder to find a living wage in the long run because there will be less jobs.

[Anonymous No.26077886]

>>26077175
this

[Anonymous No.26077900]

>>26077106
they literally said the same thing when they banned child labour, slavery, allowing women in the workplace, an 8 hour workday and a min wage in general.

You'll be fine capitalist faggot.

[Anonymous No.26077902]

>>26077338
>I have to pay a 16 y/o $15/hour to stock shelves, nah
Exactly why minimum wage is a good time. Go into any place with minimum wage employees and it'll consist of
>middle aged landwhale woman that deals with the easiest work only
>Incompetent zoomer faggot checking his phone every five minutes
>Nigger that goes out back and smokes weed instead of working
>Geriatric that only works there because he's bored and lonely
Fire all of them and hire one white guy that can easily do all their work and more and pay him a living wage.

[Anonymous No.26077913]

>>26077175
I see a city slicker

[Anonymous No.26077957]

I'm a poorfag and make $17 right now. I've been working at the same place for like 6 years though and started at $12. Feelsbad, hope I get a raise, too.

[Anonymous No.26077974]

>>26077902
Until Biden, or more likely Harris, institutes forced diversity hires to increase "equity"

[Anonymous No.26077978]

>>26077902
Wow you actually think this is how things work huh

[Anonymous No.26077989]

>>26077106
And that's a bad thing? Let's not pretend this country isn't a putrid, rotting corpse at this point. The quicker it gets driven into the ground, the better. The Baby Boomers desperately clinging to their monopoly money wealth are the only thing keeping this country going at this point. Oh, except the fact that they've sold future generations up the river so they can quietly sail off into the sunset without having to face their legacy while still alive.

Crash this bitch with no survivors. The more businesses that go bankrupt, the better. The more angry people get, the better. The more fuel you can throw onto the fire, the better.

[Anonymous No.26077995]

>>26077175
This lol. You have a whole hour to make 15 dollars and you can't? Shitty business and you should just rope

[Anonymous No.26078018]

>>26077957
LMAO you're not getting a raise unless this causes inflation.

[Anonymous No.26078039]

>>26077853
teenagers, college students, old people.

[Anonymous No.26078042]

>>26077175
This will just cause there to be less jobs available to people, which will hurt pretty much everyone directly and indirectly.

Inb4 $15 Big Macs

[Anonymous No.26078068]

>>26077721
Because you're not producing anything of value or you're incompetent or your business and employees have terrible productivity.

[Anonymous No.26078077]

ITT anons who have never owned a business
its like they think every business is sitting on cash like a dragon in its lair. keep bending over for corporate goyim

[Anonymous No.26078081]

>>26078018
Im sure i'm not. If i was the boss i sure as hell wouldn't give me a raise.

Just saying, seems kind of unfair for people in my situation, but it is what it is. i'm realistic,

[Anonymous No.26078087]

>>26077175
based as FUCK

[Anonymous No.26078105]

good, fuck small businesses

[Anonymous No.26078114]

>socialists actually believe that being unemployed is better than being a wagie when businesses can't afford $15/hr
>they also support giving benefits to unemployed
>they don't realize that work drives the economy

[Anonymous No.26078124]

I love how this place gets filled with braindead commies during a bullrun.

[Anonymous No.26078145]

>BREAKING: Biden camp plans early legislation to give citizenship to 11m illegal aliens; the bill will not provide any stepped-up immigration enforcement or border security measures - LA Times
>Minimum wage of $15
>/biz/: yes goy, this is a good thing, socialism is good
Wake up, dummies

[Anonymous No.26078194]

>>26077828

You know what has a negative impact on small towns and cities? Wages, including the minimum wage, not keeping pace with inflation for decades. Get trickled down, you bootlicker.

[Anonymous No.26078203]

>>26078042
>This will just cause there to be less jobs available to people
Yes but that's a separate issue. The solution to the decrease in available jobs isn't to have pointless unproductive jobs that don't pay enough to live on.

[Anonymous No.26078222]

>>26077106
Exactly, then MegaCorp Ltd will be your only choice to purchase items from.
When we move into full social credit and absolutely everything is subscription/rent based, MegaCorp has so much power over you they can leave you starving and homeless if they want to.
Been a bad goy? Your food subscription has been cancelled, along with your electricity subscription.
Guess who decides your social credit and ability to subscribe? I don't think I need to give you more than one guess.

[Anonymous No.26078239]

Big Corporations LOVE minimum wage increases because:

1. They can afford to lose a bit of money while their small/middle size business competitors can't. Minimum wage hikes are in fact an excellent way to get rid of competition and form a monopoly.

2. Corporations don't even have to pay the price of higher minimum wages because they have the money and resources to install AI/Computer/Robots in place of workers (see: Mcdonalds installing computer Kiosks for orders) while a small restaurant can't and will close down.

3. Large corporations also have the ability to go around min. wage laws due to loopholes such as no contracts, part time work, etc. Small businesses don't.

[Anonymous No.26078241]

>>26077175
at the end of the day, this is the truth. nobody gives a fuck about keeping your little taco stand open that needs to pay people $7.50 an hour. just close it and get a real job.

[Anonymous No.26078245]

Would you rather work in a state with 15$ minimum wage and the cost of living is 14$ adjusted
Or other state on 10$ an hour where the cost of living is 9$?

Both parties end with same amount of savings. The dollar amount don't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.26078257]

>>26077195
>pay min wage for said job
>that wage more than doubled overnight
Eat the bugs anon.

[Anonymous No.26078264]

>>26078222

Do you have a problem with capitalism?

[Anonymous No.26078281]

McDonald’s will be a high end job now , and you will only be able to afford to buy McDonald’s
Hella smart

[Anonymous No.26078321]

>>26078203
ok, so instead of having them work, I guess we can just let daddy government take our tax money and put them on welfare. they sure as hell won't get work without forced quotas

[Anonymous No.26078323]

>>26077106
>$15/hr full time is the equivalent of about 30k per year
>some 16yo burger flipper will be making almost as much as his public school teachers
>there are people who truly believe this won't harm the economy

[Anonymous No.26078329]

>>26078241
>if you can’t afford an sjw hr department you shouldn’t exist goy

[Anonymous No.26078347]

>>26078239
Big Government LOVES minimum wage increases because:

1. Creating a small business is one of the strongest and most timeless methods of going up the economic ladder. Small businesses brought countless families up from the low ---> Middle ---> Upper class. It is what makes or breaks the middle class. *****Ease of starting/running small business is the indicator of a HEALTHY MIDDLE-CLASS DOMINANT ECONOMY. Small businesses are important because it is independent and compete with megacorporations, preventing monopolies. Increasing the minimum wage to ludicrous amounts only kills the small businesses while giving large corporate chain competitors a clear edge.

2. Closure of small/medium size businesses eradicates the middle class, creating a larger low income low class population dependent of big government welfare and minimum wage increases. Leftists promising welfare and government public service jobs will always win the elections and never lose. The nation will end up becoming a leftist run welfare plantation with happy slaves asking for more welfare while working at McDonalds.

[Anonymous No.26078361]

>>26078264
Nope, I think you misunderstood my post.

[Anonymous No.26078362]

>>26077106
If it happens I'm never tipping again

[Anonymous No.26078403]

>>26078264
Capitalism is when the government intervenes into the economy to favor monopolies and duopolies.

[Anonymous No.26078417]

>>26078068
>Because you're not producing anything of value or you're incompetent or your business and employees have terrible productivity.
Apple pays their workers $100 a month and is worth 1 trillion

[Anonymous No.26078424]

>>26077784
Pretty much.

>Help American society thrive? No, fuck that! I want to keep the same broken system FOREVER that got me to where I'm at. Any new ideas would be SOCIALISM because that's that the republicans tell me.

[Anonymous No.26078425]

>>26078361

God bless the Free Market (TM)(R). Thanks be to Reagan for his holy trickle down.

[Anonymous No.26078428]

>>26078321
How are they going to work if there's not enough work to support everyone having a 40 hour a week job? Why do you think welfare is the only answer? Why are you resorting to strawmen arguments?

[Anonymous No.26078434]

>>26078264
>capitalism is the government forcing small business to close allowing amazon to own the entire market
big brained economist take. now back to leftypol brainlet

[Anonymous No.26078435]

>>26078194
If you don't live in nyc or cali or other rich states this bill fucks you in the ass. It literally causes people to abandon the towns and urban areas.

This bill literally puts more money into rich states pocket from the poorer ones.

Trickle down economics is just a fucking strawman painted on conservative by stupid leftist who think it's actually a real economic theory.

[Anonymous No.26078440]

>>26078239
>2. Corporations don't even have to pay the price of higher minimum wages because they have the money and resources to install AI/Computer/Robots in place of workers (see: Mcdonalds installing computer Kiosks for orders) while a small restaurant can't and will close down.
A computer kiosk costs like $50-100, it is so much cheaper than hiring even a minimum wage employee. Raspberry Pi + cheap Chinese touchscreen.

[Anonymous No.26078444]

>>26077195
bbbbut LiViNg WaGe

[Anonymous No.26078448]

>>26077175
Robots cost less than 15$/h and are more efficient than an unskilled nignog

[Anonymous No.26078507]

>>26078403

Ensuring wages get racked to inflation is not “intervention to favor monopolies” you knave. If you’re kike business is so non competitive and shitty that it can’t even do this then it deserves to be a victim of creative destruction.

[Anonymous No.26078518]

>>26077106
That just means they can't afford the amount of staff they have without screwing them over.

There is no reason small business should get a pass to treat workers like crap just because they're small

[Anonymous No.26078519]

>>26078239
In addition to this, large corporations will be able to buyout smaller ones on the cheap due to financial distress caused by the minimum wage hike

[Anonymous No.26078522]

>>26078417
>Apple pays their workers $100 a month
And?
>is worth 1 trillion
So if they were pushed they come easily pay $15 an hour without going out of business, thus reinforcing my point.

[Anonymous No.26078527]

>>26078448
good more jobs in higher skilled classes not some nog that steals my fucking chicken sandwich

[Anonymous No.26078528]

>>26078194
If women didn’t work, and if amnesty Reagan didn’t cuck out then wages wouldn’t have taken such a dive in the 70s/80s you fucking numbskull

[Anonymous No.26078540]

>>26077784
correct. america is unsalvageable, save for some miracle. we thought trump was the miracle, but it quickly turned out to be just another jewish trick.

[Anonymous No.26078557]

Catherine Austin Fitts Planet Lockdown on bitchute for you commies. Look it up, you're all being played

[Anonymous No.26078566]

>>26078403
That's why pure Capitalism and pure Communism are both stubbornly retarded.

The best of both worlds would be Capitalism with a very strong enforcement of anti-trust and monopoly-busting laws. In such a world the nation would be run by a healthy middle class majority.

[Anonymous No.26078570]

>>26078448
Exactly. If your paying minimum wage instead of using an available technology you're incompetent at business.

[Anonymous No.26078583]

>>26078522
>So if they were pushed they come easily pay $15 an hour without going out of business, thus reinforcing my point.
Operating profit decreases stock falls
I don't think you understand how the world works. Apple will never be forced to pay 15/hr since their workers are in another country. They also pay next to nothing in taxes.

[Anonymous No.26078617]

>>26078528

With the invention of labor saving devices capitalism was never going to allow women to not work. Having half of your population being economically idle is the antithesis of capitalism, where everyone works as much as possible to serve the God of Mammon.

[Anonymous No.26078629]

>>26078448
you're welcome to try to run a business with all robots. the truth is the technology is nowhere close to that being possible. best we have right now is a burger flipping robot that costs a shit ton of money up front and requires routine maintenance.

[Anonymous No.26078663]

>>26078566

When we try that Republicans call it communism.

[Anonymous No.26078673]

>>26078570
>expecting a small business to afford technologies used by big businesses

[Anonymous No.26078682]

I work for a major GLOBAL corporation and 2020 was one of the best years we've had in over 4 years. Corporations benefited from the lockdowns, I was literally working constant overtime, Amazons stock doubled, Elon Musk became the richest person, and Bill Gates is now the #1 owner of American farm land, everything is going to plan. If we just have to throw welfare at niggers to shut their asses up and keep them at home smoking weed and fucking whores getting obese and aids to lower their lifespan to save us money then so be it. And everyone knows most of the people that illegaly hire workers for under mininmum wage and under the table untaxed work are fucking smelly ass immigrants anyways.

[Anonymous No.26078693]

>>26078673
maybe they should of saved some money early on

[Anonymous No.26078697]

>>26078583
No, I think you don't understand. I said if your business can't afford to pay $15 an hour you don't deserve to have a business. Apple can afford to buy they don't. The fact its offshore and not subject to minimum wage law is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.26078701]

>>26077989
you sound like someone with nothing of value to lose, must suck being a poorfag.

[Anonymous No.26078707]

>>26078583
being able to pay slave wages to people in china has nothing to do with the minimum wage in the US, but keep embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.26078719]

>>26077902
Wagie at temp agency here, can confirm
Worked at multiple construction sites where I'm a cleaner (sweep rooms and organize tradies supplies)
Union jobs are the worst, the mystery meat cleaners are easily half as productive
And before you call me a faggot for muh hard worker I do shit like "tactical pooping" (go to portapotty 45-60 minutes before break for smoke), and recheck rooms for last hour after 90% of the tradies go home
Even with that shit I'm still twice as productive as niggers

[Anonymous No.26078727]

>>26078507
Wages would've risen naturally if not for the non-stop importation of unskilled immigrants, especially of the illegal variety that get paid below minimum wage under the table. I don't own a businesses, you'd be a fool to do so in modern America. Whether it be threats of niggers burning it down, high taxes, having to pay a higher wage and benefits. It's going to be hilarious seeing the massive spike in unemployment and the increasing of mechanization that'll replace wagies.

[Anonymous No.26078728]

Daniel, why do you care about amimutts...

[Anonymous No.26078735]

>>26078682
its cute that you think you're not easily replaceable

[Anonymous No.26078740]

>>26078617
women did work though, just domestic labor

[Anonymous No.26078746]

>>26078673
That's capitalism. You can't afford to compete with big businesses then tough shit.

[Anonymous No.26078751]

>>26077989

Based

[Anonymous No.26078759]

>>26078241
>Someone wants to do business
>Someone wants to work for certain wage
>Someone wants to buy the product

"NO YOU CANNOT DO THAT! WE NEED GOVERNMENT TO STOP YOU!"

[Anonymous No.26078772]

>>26078697
Stop being this stupid.

[Anonymous No.26078780]

>>26078701
your shitty business that can't even afford to pay $15 an hour is nothing of value.

[Anonymous No.26078805]

>>26078727

Capitalism loves cheap labor because it benefits capital owners. >>

[Anonymous No.26078817]

>>26078772
Not a rebuttal. Only shit businesses are going to go out of business because of having to pay $15 an hour.

[Anonymous No.26078818]

>>26078663
That's because they are corporate shills, just like the Democrats that make tons of labor laws that are intentionally designed to silently hurt small/middle-sized businesses much, much more than large corporations.

Washington's politicians, from Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders is basically Wall Street's bitch, doing Wall Street's bidding.

[Anonymous No.26078820]

>>26078746
>socialism is actually capitalism

[Anonymous No.26078821]

>>26078697
changing your definition after getting BTFO ok dude.
>>26078707
>being able to pay slave wages to people in china has nothing to do with the minimum wage in the US
Really? Pretty sure the only companies that can afford to do this are large corporations with established international supply chains.

[Anonymous No.26078829]

>>26078663
When they try that the left would bitch about it not being regulated enough, then later on when they find out it works they’ll claim it was their idea all along

[Anonymous No.26078854]

>>26078821
>changing your definition after getting BTFO ok dude
I didn't change anything you retard, that's literally my first post in this thread.

[Anonymous No.26078870]

>>26078740

Correct in that being a homemaker is a form of labor. But labor saving devices meant it took less time to do things like laundry, and the system absolutely needed them in the workforce from then on out producing for capital owners and consuming even more.

[Anonymous No.26078884]

>>26078746
that's government intervention, not capitalism. Big businesses are inefficient compared to small biz, lower overhead. However, big biz creates the laws through lobbying that prices out small biz, that's where there's a competitive edge.

It's almost as though you've never heard of libertarianism, typical

[Anonymous No.26078903]

>>26077106
>if biden forces a $15 min wage literally every small business will go under
cool, fuck wagies

[Anonymous No.26078908]

>>26078805
Yeah of course, which is why you need borders and strict immigration control. A nationalistic type of capitalism that favors the people of the nation and not multibillion dollar companies that headquarters in the nation. Sort of what we've had in the US up until the 1930s.

[Anonymous No.26078911]

>>26078780
it"s not just $15 and hour though, if you include unemployment, workman's comp, insurances etc... it's probably more around a labor rate of $45 an hour

[Anonymous No.26078914]

>>26078203
>pointless unproductive jobs that don't pay enough to live on
exactly, so they should raise wages and if they can't afford to pay full time make it part time work. people can and will do the same amount of work in less time, have more time to spend at home raising their neglected kids to do better. small businesses can keep the budgeting the same, they just have to use their brains and implement changes, but business owners are lazy don't want to do any thinking or work themselves

[Anonymous No.26078916]

>>26077175
Smooth brain comment

[Anonymous No.26078917]

>>26078663
nobody is saying Republicans are good either
just better (not by much)

[Anonymous No.26078920]

>>26078448
vote yang

[Anonymous No.26078933]

>>26077175

This. “Conservative” business owners are the biggest whiners on the planet. They beg for government handouts, squeeze free unpaid hours out of employees, cut corners on safety/quality to save money, and still can’t keep their businesses afloat.

Meanwhile, all the businesses in my town that are part of the “guaranteed livable wage” project. Are doing fucking fantastic. The owners take a fair salary, employees are happy and motivated, and locals are more than happy to spend extra to help out during the pandemic because they’re actually helping the community instead of just claiming to.

[Anonymous No.26078962]

>>26078908

Lmao American capitalism has always favored the guys at the top. Look up the labor movements of the 1800s and why they happened. New Deal capitalism was the closest thing to a worker friendly form we’ve ever had here.

[Anonymous No.26078988]

>>26077106
Just collect your bidenbux and fuck off to SE asia when they dry up. Should be enough to keep you going for a few years.

[Anonymous No.26079006]

>>26078933

This. Who’s a bigger whiner- boomer GOP business owners or landlords?

[Anonymous No.26079018]

They already changed it to $13.50 in my state (MA) literally not memeing. And guess what that's still nowhere near enough to live on in my state bceause of the cost of living. I can barely afford the minimum $200 worth of weed I need montlhy.

[Anonymous No.26079019]

>>26078884
>government intervention
Yeah, like child labour laws, anti-slavery laws, etc. I'm sure a lot more pathetic business models would be viable if those were legal.
>Big businesses are inefficient compared to small biz, lower overhead.
So big businesses are more inefficient yet you're saying small business can't compete on a level playing field because they can't afford to automate? You're contradicting yourself.
>libertarianism
Cringe

[Anonymous No.26079024]

Theoretically, what if minimum wage was abolished and businesses were allowed to charge what ever they wanted.

[Anonymous No.26079037]

>>26078780
>>26078805
>>26078817
You cunts have no clue. Mcdonalds pays sub $15, walmart pays sub $15. Are they shitty businesses? Are they going to go under? Or are they going to automate and put more peoole on welfare? Hippy ideologues and commies, GTFO this board for your own sake if not ours.

[Anonymous No.26079052]

>>26078854
I could get a less circular argument from a black person

[Anonymous No.26079060]

>>26078817
Lets say you apply that 15$ an hour in china.
>"Only shit business can't pay 15$ an hour"
Every product gets way more expensive.
Their economy collapses.

How stupid do you have to be to not understand that you can't generalize like this.

[Anonymous No.26079080]

>>26078884

>big businesses are inefficient compared to small biz,

Exact opposite, retard. Look up economies of scale.

[Anonymous No.26079093]

>>26078448
Where the fuck are people getting these Factorio construction and logistics robots? I want to invest in some.

[Anonymous No.26079099]

>>26077406
Because prices go up

[Anonymous No.26079107]

>>26077106
That's the plan, FAT.

[Anonymous No.26079126]

>>26078914
Exactly. If your crappy business can't afford to pay 4 employees $15 an hour maybe get your shit together and have them be twice as productive and only work 20 hours a week, or cut down to 2 employees.

[Anonymous No.26079143]

>>26078347
/thread

[Anonymous No.26079145]

>>26078884
>Big businesses are inefficient compared to small biz
You are fucking brain dead

[Anonymous No.26079155]

>>26079099
minimum wage increases are not 1:1 with inflation, stop oversimplifying complicated economic issues faggot

[Anonymous No.26079157]

>>26079024

While you’re at it just abolish safety and environmental regs, child labor laws, and the 40 hour work week.

[Anonymous No.26079180]

>>26079037
You're just agreeing with me, all those places can afford to pay $15 an hour, so they're not shit business.

[Anonymous No.26079189]

>>26079006
Hahaha Boomer GOP business owners are so detached from reality. A buddy of mine works for a hardcore Trumptard. Owner has been seething about the closures (even though his business is still thriving. Screenprinting for signs and clothing). Has been laying off employees and cutting hours, yet still went on his yearly week-long golfing vacation that costs at least 5 figures.

[Anonymous No.26079204]

>>26077106
That's a good thing. Corporations are the good guys.

[Anonymous No.26079258]

>>26079037
big business do well so it good for all
ok goyim, bend over for corporate. who are the biggest winners in raising minimum

[Anonymous No.26079271]

>>26079189

Bro don’t even tell me about it. They are the biggest kikes in the economy. I do business with this one guy, same thing. He brags about how he doesn’t give his employees sick days, how he can’t afford a higher minimum wage etc but his bonus always comes through every year and he’s always on his golf trips to Florida. Bought a new Lexus too.

[Anonymous No.26079277]

>>26079024
businesses should be regulated to pay based on their profits, a specific portion of profits should go directly to the people who keep it running. then big businesses would have less money available to increase the reach of their monopolies and more businesses can rise up and flourish

[Anonymous No.26079278]

>>26079189
>Has been laying off employees and cutting hours, yet still went on his yearly week-long golfing vacation that costs at least 5 figures.
extremely based
he is the owner and he can do whatever the fuck he wants
it's that simple

[Anonymous No.26079288]

>>26079019
right, but if Nike or Apple does it in another country, it's fine. Small businesses can't afford lobbyists to push laws that support their businesses.

Small businesses = your family running a store. You, providing a service for money = small business.

Small businesses are literally your community. Populist movements like Bernie and Trump were literally funded by small businesses and individuals.

[Anonymous No.26079314]

>>26077106
I have a small business and this is why I only hire 2 people and pay them more money to take on more workload. I could have 4-6 minimum wage employees, but instead I pay 2 guys double to probably do better work. All I need is someone doing customer service/fulfilling orders (quite often at the same time, so salesmanship helps, but they dont need to hard close at all) and someone handling tech problems. All the "problem" customers I have sent to me, which is like less than 1%. These guys are busy, but not overly so, they have downtime and can schedule themselves accordingly (ie, callbacks at a later date or something). I dont even really keep track of their hours worked as long as the orders are fulfilled and emails answered appropriately. Outside of that idgaf.

These 2 guys are making around $20/hr, so they're way more motivated to do good work than a bunch of $7/hr guys who dont give a fuck. Ive tried outsourcing this stuff, and using services that pay employees min wage to do this, and its always a nightmare. I dont even blame the employees either, because why would anyone give a fuck if they aren't being enticed to? If you pay min wage, you'll get minimum effort, and probably end up paying more for less in the longrun. Paying employees properly is more profitable I think.

[Anonymous No.26079319]

>>26079157
Fuck off with that slippery slope shit

[Anonymous No.26079327]

>>26079278

Lick that boot clean.

[Anonymous No.26079332]

>>26079271
then open a business and stop bitching around

[Anonymous No.26079350]

>>26079204
This but unironically. Where would you rather get a burger, McDonald's or some food van with expired meat and cockroaches on the floor. Which one do you think has better employee benefits?

[Anonymous No.26079352]

>>26078323
Average high school teacher salary is $60k
https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/high-school-teacher/salary

>muh Teachers are paid nothing meme
That is plenty to live on. They always have a richer husband as well.

[Anonymous No.26079367]

>>26079327
why so salty? are you poor?

[Anonymous No.26079370]

>>26077106
Probably not. But it will cause literally everything to be more expensive.

[Anonymous No.26079378]

>>26079271
He doesn't provide any healthcare. Instead, employees have to "donate" money each month that just goes into a medical pool that people can use if/when they need to go to the doctor.

>>26079278
Fuck bettering society, amirite?!

[Anonymous No.26079404]

>>26077106
In my case, the real threat of it is allowing me to finally convince my cheapass boomer boss (uncle I'm trying to wait out so I can take over) to not hire low wage new immigrants (dumbasses) and actually invest in reliable automated solutions and technology integration. Sure, $50k looks intimidating, but you end up paying more over a year (not even including training) with 1-2 $13/hr dumbasses. So, yeah, higher minimum wage should drive automation in at least some businesses.

[Anonymous No.26079417]

>>26079350

I know one contractor who doesn’t offer health insurance for his employees while he puts 100k in his retirement account every year alone. They are complete money grubbing kikes; it’s insane.

[Anonymous No.26079421]

>>26077175
then you dont get paid at all retard. all you've accomplished is making sure that anyone who isn't worth $15+/hr (ie. most people) will stay unemployed forever and be replaced by foreign labor or robots

[Anonymous No.26079426]

>>26079332
Boomers didn't require 100k in regulation fees to open their business you absolute retard

[Anonymous No.26079430]

>>26079288
>right, but if Nike or Apple does it in another country, it's fine.
Nope. But the solution to that isn't to lower US standards to be in line with foreign ones.

[Anonymous No.26079432]

>>26079080
>Exact opposite, retard. Look up economies of scale.
Retard that thinks econ 101 describes the world detected. Economy of scale has diminishing returns connected largely to materials processing (which is cost-reducible in many ways), and doesn't necessarily make up for the added layers of administration required to manage a massive company.

[Anonymous No.26079447]

>>26077989
stop being a communist
stop being poor
open a business, you will learn a couple of things

[Anonymous No.26079448]

>>26077331
and then because minorities will be even more fucked, they will demand more welfare, then a higher minimum wage, and the cycle repeats until a full collapse to communism.

we are nearing the end of the cycle.

[Anonymous No.26079449]

>>26079327
>17 posts
time to go back to the wage cage anon. daylight's a burning

[Anonymous No.26079474]

>>26077175
based

[Anonymous No.26079475]

Zero chance of that bill going through you retards

[Anonymous No.26079478]

>>26079350
Pretty sure it's the corporations that are selling bugs to the masses, not the mom and pops

[Anonymous No.26079483]

>>26077106

This is correct

>>26077175

This is correct, but it's not an argument for a $15/hr minimum wage. Low-level, unskilled labor (ie: McBurgerflipper, janny, etc...) is simply not worth as much as the starting hourly pay for an educated business analyst. If you really believe that, you're a commiefaggot and probably lack two brain cells to rub together. And of course, the other problem is that prices will raise in accordance with the raising of the minimum wage.

>>26077900

Dilate.

[Anonymous No.26079490]

>BRB, gonna go start a business, give myself a $15 wage and see what happens.

wait you mean I have to sell things? how am I gonna get that with minimum wage??????
fuck it gonna start 15 businesses, ill be raking in 225 an hour ezpz. I'll just use the cash the owner has for starting a business.

[Anonymous No.26079499]

>>26077175
>t. Pays $2000 a month rent

[Anonymous No.26079510]

>>26079478

Yeah, the mom and pops are just throwing a few in the meal every now and then to save on food costs.

[Anonymous No.26079522]

>>26077443
This. Morons can't put two and two together. They don't gove a shit if the usa descends into a venezuela tier shithole as long as the elites hold all the wealth

[Anonymous No.26079531]

>>26079499
Literally a landlord, actually.

[Anonymous No.26079538]

>>26079449
It's Saturday, he earned his 2 days to shitpost about those lazy fucking kids these days

[Anonymous No.26079542]

>>26078933
That sounds a lot like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk to me, they spend billions on anti-union research and suppresion yet they vote for the same candidate that major unions in the U.S. vote for, it's almost like the unions have been bought out for decades or something.

[Anonymous No.26079544]

nope, still profitable, it'll be just short of doubling our labor cost, but our labor cost is under 20%.

[Anonymous No.26079548]

>>26079483
screaming "commie" at proponents of any governmental policy doesn't make you right.

[Anonymous No.26079556]

Ok lets do the math here, if this goes through it will take a Mcwage from about $8 bucks an hour to $15. I assume you have about 10 hourly workers working 80 hours total a day. 80 x 7 = 560. So the question is can a business absorb a $560 dollar a day operating cost increase. Or how much do prices increase to offset this operating cost increase?

[Anonymous No.26079565]

>>26079510
>sucks of corporations
>calls people bootlickers
Weak b8

[Anonymous No.26079573]

>>26079421
Yes, the minimum wage increase isn't the best idea since most business owners will just find ways around it. However, this should be a sign that there DOES need to be some sort of change since technology will end up closing out multiple individuals from being able to work.

[Anonymous No.26079581]

>>26079522

Your mall kiosk was never competing against Amazon. Sorry to break it to you.

[Anonymous No.26079621]

>>26079478
I went to Target for shits and giggles the other day (I love going to leftist based stores and asking if they carry obscure camping equipment)
They have 2 fucking aisles of "plant" based food

[Anonymous No.26079624]

>this won't have any effect on new j-

[Anonymous No.26079671]

>>26079556
The answer is that 3-4 of the 10 hourly workers will be fired immediately and costs will be cut everywhere they can afford to cut. If they run out of places to cut, then prices will start to increase.

[Anonymous No.26079673]

Price controls always fuck up commodity markets. Unskilled labor is a commodity, so a minimum wage will fuck things up. This is just going to pump the gig economy as more workers get pushed into being independent contractors to get around the minimum wage law, so if you want to make money bet on gig companies.

If you're a business owner, you'll just have to raise prices like everybody else. Ultimately it will just lead to price inflation. If you can't increase prices, try to figure out a way to make whatever your wage slaves currently do a "gig" and get em signed up as independent contractors.

[Anonymous No.26079689]

>>26079538
kek

[Anonymous No.26079724]

>>26079483
>This is correct, but it's not an argument for a $15/hr minimum wage. Low-level, unskilled labor (ie: McBurgerflipper, janny, etc...) is simply not worth as much as the starting hourly pay for an educated business analyst. If you really believe that, you're a commiefaggot and probably lack two brain cells to rub together. And of course, the other problem is that prices will raise in accordance with the raising of the minimum wage.
it's much worse than that
$15/hr means massive CPI inflation
massive CPI inflation means the money printer went at least 10X faster, so considering cantillon effect and asset hyperinflation, the nignog getting $15/hr now will have his rent going up more than his increase
inflation always benefits the richer
jesus christ this is fucking economics 101, commie are really trying to defy logic

[Anonymous No.26079735]

>>26077106
>literally every small business will go under
should we tell him? your faggy small businesses were already going to go under, look around you

[Anonymous No.26079753]

>>26079624
And what are these jobs? What education/experience is required for these positions this individual is referring to? Yes, I see the age range, but are we talking about food stockers or web development?

[Anonymous No.26079755]

>>26079671
Even if they cut workforce to the point where it balances they will still raise price because the average cattle will accept that "muh $15 dollar sacrifice"
It's like soda tax in Seattle, it was eventually altered to be less but the prices remain

[Anonymous No.26079779]

>>26077106
Das rite

[Anonymous No.26079791]

>>26079724
cue higher taxes in which the money will go to daddy government, while they give the larger amount of welfare kiddies just enough to be dependent on them

[Anonymous No.26079794]

>>26079724

Funny how we blew 30T on foreign wars, corporate bailouts and foreign aid and they never resulted in inflation, but a “”””””””communist””””””” $15/hr minimum wage will.

Post nose.

[Anonymous No.26079810]

Im surprised how financially illiterate /biz/ is
costs dont dictate prices, price is how much someone is willing to pay and profit margins vary wildly per item.

[Anonymous No.26079825]

>>26079755
Agreed. $15 minimum wage means prices will go up everywhere across the economy. There is no avoiding that. All sectors rely on cheap labor in some way.

[Anonymous No.26079837]

>>26077150
Yep

[Anonymous No.26079853]

>>26079794
>Wants to give min wage workers (aka diversity hires) more money
>Accuses other Anon of being kike
Shut the fuck up boomer

[Anonymous No.26079892]

>>26077175
>T. has never run or started a business
Why are commies so stupid? It's amazing how stupid commies are.

[Anonymous No.26079904]

>>26079853

>poor white people don’t exist

Get out of Los Angeles

[Anonymous No.26079906]

>>26077175
this 100%, fucking based

[Anonymous No.26079922]

>>26079810
Yes, let me go to Best Buy and haggle with them about how much I want to pay for a smartphone.

[Anonymous No.26079949]

>>26079892

>>26079019

He already BTFO you

[Anonymous No.26079950]

>>26077828
Holy fuck you absolute RETARDED nigger

[Anonymous No.26079955]

[Anonymous No.26079965]

>>26079892
I have a successful business which is why I don't pay minimum wage for unproductive workers like some lazy boomer retard.

[Anonymous No.26079980]

>>26077106
The world dept program

[Anonymous No.26079986]

>>26077150
Qtard pls go

[Anonymous No.26079992]

>>26079965
sure you do

[Anonymous No.26080006]

>>26079892
>t.failed business owner
just kill yourself you retarded fucking nigger worshiper

[Anonymous No.26080022]

>>26079965
>>26079949
>seething commies say wut

[Anonymous No.26080023]

>>26079922
the market decided the haggle price already. People will buy what they are stocking at the price they are selling it for, so that's the price. If you and every other customer decided you wouldnt buy at that price, then it'll come down. But US consumers are shit and someone's gonna buy it, so it stays the price.

[Anonymous No.26080050]

>>26077106
I'm not against increasing the minimum wage over time, but more than doubling it in one go seems absolutely braindead

[Anonymous No.26080054]

>>26080006
>t. nanny state socialist

[Anonymous No.26080087]

>>26079794
go ahead with your $15/hr minimum wage
prices will increase
rents will increase
unemployment will increase
government gibs and welfare spending will increase
and ultimately income tax on your $15/hr minimum wage will be above 50%
so you will still be a wagie, but you will be actively contributing to unemployed nignogs on gobernment gibs smoking weed

[Anonymous No.26080089]

>>26080050
it's obviously going to be phased in over time. anyone saying otherwise is just a conservative cuck falling for / disseminating propaganda.

[Anonymous No.26080102]

>>26080050
which is why every min wage increase comes in staggered stages over a few years. 15 is the final price, not the immediate change

[Anonymous No.26080104]

>>26079794
I don’t think anyone here supports what you’ve mentioned. But what a 15 dollar min wage does, is inflate the price labor. This means the least valuable workers this is supposed to help simply get priced out because everyone feels they deserve more when the lowest common denominator gets more

[Anonymous No.26080123]

>>26079810
>illiterate /biz/ is
>costs dont dictate prices, price is how much someone is willing to pay
No. The price is set by the seller, the buyer can accept or not. I’m not selling you my thumb for $3 and the reason is not that somebody out there is willing to pay $4.

[Anonymous No.26080128]

>>26080022

>adjusting the minimum wage with inflation is communism

Anon, I

[Anonymous No.26080129]

>>26080023
so what im hearing is that they are raising the minimum wage to profit off the stupid public, which will increase their profits while pricing out any smaller competition.

apple can and will get bought by idiots, and they can charge whatever they want because good goyim pay the toll.

[Anonymous No.26080137]

>>26080087
>puts on $15 an hour minimum wage goggles
>it looks exactly the same

[Anonymous No.26080147]

>>26080050
>I'm not against increasing the minimum wage over time, but more than doubling it in one go seems absolutely braindead
People who centrally plan economies really have no fucking idea the harm they cause, or they do know but decide to destroy the working class and small business because they're neo-commienazis at heart.

[Anonymous No.26080148]

>>26080023
The consumer had absolutely no say in the pricing. Your economics 101 in a vacuum is great on paper, but not applicable now.

[Chronos No.26080157]

>>26077106
No they won't you dirty alt-right nazi!

[Anonymous No.26080185]

>>26080147

Not my heckin small businesses! Where will I go for a lower selection of items and higher prices?

[Anonymous No.26080202]

>>26077106
no the ones in major cities will be fine. oh wait no they're all going out of business because of covid lockdowns

[Anonymous No.26080213]

>>26077175
If you can’t provide more than $15 / hour productivity you don’t deserve to have a job.

[Anonymous No.26080229]

>>26080128
>reddit spacing
>fails to grasp why centrally planned economies never scale efficiently nor sustainably
Commie/Fascist detected

[Anonymous No.26080247]

>>26080148
Choosing not to purchase something at an offered price is having a say.

[Anonymous No.26080258]

>>26078540
If you fell for the trump's bullshit at any point then you are too stupid for redemption

[Anonymous No.26080276]

>>26080123
it's not a valid price until there's a taker. McD's isnt selling a burger for a grand, the buyer decides where that valid price lies.

[Anonymous No.26080288]

>>26080213
>the wages businesses pay definitely correlates 1:1 with productivity. why would they ever try to exploit their workers?

[Anonymous No.26080301]

>>26080229

I’m so glad that 400 billionaires control the US economy, instead of awful central planning.

[Anonymous No.26080311]

chapo trap house is the worst cesspool
stop invading, stick to your containment boards

[Anonymous No.26080331]

>all the reddit spacing itt
I wish you'd all go back

[Anonymous No.26080340]

>>26080247
That mind-set has little to no impact whatsoever now. When certain items become essential to live in this current society.

[Anonymous No.26080341]

>>26080229
>adjusting minimum wage for inflation is the same thing as a centrally planned economy
this is why we need to keep /pol/ shit out of /biz/.

[Anonymous No.26080352]

>>26080185
>25 posts by this reddit space trannie
>admits to loving corporatist monopolies that destroy small business
We know you prefer to suck DAVOS dick through your prolapsed asshole. No need to brag.

[Anonymous No.26080363]

>>26080129
you're hearing some dumb shit
>>26080148
every purchase you make is your say.

[Anonymous No.26080364]

>>26080311

Poor little guy. Think of all the value he could have generated for the economy.

[Anonymous No.26080375]

>>26080213
my college level wagie job i do part time already fired 3 Mexicans who were getting paid 11. and hired 1 younger white dude $15 an hour who does 3 times the work, faster, and with less issues
this will just happen on a larger scale when its a mandatory 15, and this is a massive organization

[Anonymous No.26080380]

>every

Only ones in economically fucked states like New York. Florida and Texas will be okay.

[Anonymous No.26080409]

>>26080352

>>>/pol/>>>

[Anonymous No.26080430]

>>26079753
A lot of them are STEM jobs, which go to immigrants and H1Bs before the go to Americans

[Anonymous No.26080431]

>>26080363
nice echo chamber you've been in, try going outside more goyim

[Anonymous No.26080459]

>>26080375

>more whites get hired; more Mexicans get fired

Sounds based to me.

[Anonymous No.26080475]

>>26080341
>federally mandating an arbitrary number for minimum wage is not an example of central planning
you have to have at least a 3 digit IQ to make it

Fuck off back to plebbit.

[Anonymous No.26080487]

>i'm a plucky small business entrepreneur living the american dream of working for myself, but if i have to pay my employees enough to eat then my business will go under
sounds like the employer's fault to me.

[Anonymous No.26080493]

>>26080430

Do you have a problem with capitalism? Provide more value than an H1B or lower the amount you’ll work for. Don’t complain that some people work harder than you.

[Anonymous No.26080499]

>>26080363
>every purchase you make is your say.

Which is completely irrelevant now. This holds absolutely no impact. Try boycotting Amazon or Walmart. I'm sure they will REALLY be hurting financially from it!

[Anonymous No.26080505]

>>26077175
im warrented to reply, not the original poster but the replies. you are not meant to be competing with the government to set free market prices. your analogy is about the competitive nature of free market capitalism and being priced out, but it is cancelled because you suppose a government controlled enviornment. businesses cant compete with the government

[Anonymous No.26080511]

>>26080431
Im literally here

[Anonymous No.26080549]

>>26080487

Kek

>>26080475

>NOOOOO not a minimum wage, it’s anuddah Shoah oy vey

[Anonymous No.26080556]

>>26080459
don't worry, the Mexicans are making more off your taxes than they would at a job

[Anonymous No.26080562]

>>26080487

In small town America rent is $400, in NYC rent is $2000. Can you see why a flat jacked up minimum wage makes no sense yet or are you willingly stupid?

[Anonymous No.26080580]

>>26077106
Not my company fool. There's only 20 people and I'd be surprised if any of them make less than $20/hr.

[Anonymous No.26080598]

>>26080340
It's literally just price elasticity. Let me know how many people buy your toilet paper for $10,000 a roll. Don't tell me you're into price controls too?

[Anonymous No.26080602]

>>26080493
I wouldn't complain if the nations they came from practiced "capitalism" too

[Anonymous No.26080625]

>>26080499
right, because you're not the only consumer. And like I said before, US consumers are shit, but they are still the ones that decide prices.

[Anonymous No.26080628]

>>26080430
Exactly. Which I'm sure any American younger than 22 and/or older than 40 probably couldn't apply to. Thus, the original post was disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.26080649]

>>26080562

Sounds like it just weeds out the I efficient and unproductive businesses to me. Same thing business owners have said about anything from the 40hr work week to basic safety regulations like having a fire alarm.

[Anonymous No.26080671]

>>26080409
>forgot how to get back home
>>>https:/ /www. reddit. com/r/wallstreetbets/

[Anonymous No.26080685]

>>26080625
ok so you're admitting consumers have no power against giant companies like amazon and walmart. can you shut up now

[Anonymous No.26080689]

>>26080649
*inefficient

[Anonymous No.26080690]

>>26079904
Poor whites absolutely exist, specifically because kiked government gives tax breaks to min wage companies to hire shitskins

[Anonymous No.26080695]

>>26080628
Uh, read it again. It's about all new jobs and the proportion of those between 16 and 64 (aka normal adult working years) getting them.

[Wannabe big noser No.26080701]

>>26077442
What’s the point if those workers don’t provide $15 /hr of productivity?

[Anonymous No.26080730]

>>26080649

Why's that? You've provided no logical or reasonable explanation to suggest so. Some businesses do low-grade work that hires bottom of the barrel candidates, and they are still necessary.

[Anonymous No.26080732]

>>26080598
>>26080625

Point being that "don't buy it if you don't want to pay for it, that'll show them!" mentality is obsolete. Even worse when things like smartphones become the societal norm that the majority of the population must conform to just to thrive.

[Anonymous No.26080736]

>>26080549
>NOOOOOOOO
>NOT MUH CISGENDERED FEMALE AND MALE BATHROOMS

[Anonymous No.26080745]

>>26080701
the point is they do, retard. or do you think businesses are all paying a fair wage based on productivity?

[Anonymous No.26080750]

>>26077373
This is your brain on Keynesian economics

[Anonymous No.26080776]

>>26080736

Complete non sequitur; thanks for playing.

[Anonymous No.26080778]

>>26080487
and yet the people getting paid minimum now, just go eat with their parents for dinner


because they are teens. nobody who actually pays bills works minimum. they arent worth 15 an hour. just get ready for the increased taxes while you pay for welfare kiddies

[Anonymous No.26080792]

>>26080375
This is what is going to happen. People will hire higher productivity workers who cost more

[Anonymous No.26080793]

>>26080745
They don’t, though, so it doesn’t matter if that’s the point.

[Anonymous No.26080817]

>>26080750

He’s right though. Productivity etc has gone through the roof while employee wages have stagnated. You just think it’s weird because you’ve been brainwashed by trickle down for decades and think it’s normal.

[Anonymous No.26080829]

>>26080695
He does not explicitly state the types of jobs. Only the age range and how these new jobs are going to foreigners instead. Hence why I asked for the types of jobs he was referring to. Are they high tech jobs that require experience and high end degrees or ditch digging jobs?

[Anonymous No.26080835]

>>26080685
I literally just said the consumers decide the price

[Anonymous No.26080836]

>>26080778
plenty of adults are working these minimum wage jobs. america is a pretty shitty place, if you haven't figured it out

[Anonymous No.26080837]

>>26080732
It's not. You are not forced to buy anything. Consumers have choices. You want a smartphone? Ranges from over $1,000 to $50.

[Anonymous No.26080862]

>>26080745
>do you think businesses are all paying a fair wage based on productivity?
they never should
otherwise why the fuck would you risk your capital and your time to open a business in the first place?
what's the incentive to do so?

[Anonymous No.26080868]

>>26080511
did I fucking stutter

[Anonymous No.26080874]

>>26080836

He’ll just say he doesn’t care about them or something similar. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.

[Wannabe big noser No.26080877]

>>26077828
This.

[Anonymous No.26080884]

>>26080835
if consumers can't effect the price because "they are shitty", then what is your point? you're just being pedantic.

[Anonymous No.26080926]

>>26077666
>based Devil digits
And yes we are fucked. It's all downhill from here. Should I even have kids?

[Anonymous No.26080927]

>>26080776
>federally mandating an arbitrary number for minimum wage is not an example of central planning
>central planning is not an example of communism and/or fascist corporatism
Thanks for confirming what a massive idiot you are.
>inb4 but muh adjusted for inflation
The minimum wage would have to be $75 dollars if it were truly adjusted for inflation

[Anonymous No.26080936]

>>26080862

Why would an employee work in a business where they’re not compensated based on their productivity?

[Anonymous No.26080959]

>>26077853
Does nobody here get it?
Republicans need the racist vote so pretend to be against immigration, but really they are the ones who hire the cheap immigrants and make a big profit.
Democrats need the anti-racist vote so have to pretend to be for immigration, but represent the people who compete with immigrants, missing out on jobs and being priced out of the housing market.
$15 minimum wage is the brilliant, Democratic solution to this. With $15 minimum wage, the incitement for rich republicans to flood the country with cheap immigrant workers goes away, because they are not cheap anymore. America cannot afford taking in millions of people who will not be able to find work, which means no more immigration. Or rather, America will only accept immigrants who are highly skilled and motivate at least a $15/hour salary. Which is a very small subset of who are currently accepted.
Democrats are solving immigration in the only way it can be solved. A wall doesn’t work as long as starving hordes know they could find jobs on the other side. But this will do it. Thanks, democrats, I knew I could count on you.

[Anonymous No.26080975]

>>26080927

Ok, then we should set it to that. Sorry you think everyone should be working for slave wages.

[Anonymous No.26080988]

>>26080936
because they are too dumb to open one duh?

[Anonymous No.26081003]

>>26080837
Societal norms (America). You're coming off as a boomer now in your responses. Sure, you can live without a smartphone, but that's playing life oh hardmode that way.

[Anonymous No.26081007]

>>26078428
thats just the thing
they won't work. where are they gonna get a job when somebody else will do it better?
they won't
only answer is being put on welfare or starving,

[Anonymous No.26081014]

>>26080829
Why does it even matter? In what world does it make sense that nearly all new American jobs go to non-Americans?

[Anonymous No.26081034]

>>26078920
I wish he was president so I can get my Yang Bucks

[Anonymous No.26081036]

>>26077900
and every single one of those things is being done in the third world, it causes outsourcing and only further incentivizes automation. also
>allowing women in the workplace

Cringe

[Anonymous No.26081040]

>>26080959
>America cannot afford taking in millions of people who will not be able to find work, which means no more immigration.
The Democrats will not let the second part of this statement happen.

[Anonymous No.26081045]

>>26080988

Thanks for confirming that business owners are just pimps skimming money off of their employees.

[Anonymous No.26081052]

>>26081003
You're here trying to convince me that demand has no effect on price because you're not cool if you don't have an iphone. It's honestly fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.26081055]

>>26080817

That's due to outsourcing and mass immigration you retard. As it turns out flooding the labor pool massively depresses wages big time. The economy isn't managed with a magic wand that tells companies when to start paying more.

[Anonymous No.26081059]

>>26080375
sounds like made up shit. everyone knows mexican's work hard as fuck. no way young white dude does more work than 3 mexicans, Lol.

[Anonymous No.26081068]

>>26080868
you spouted gibberish
is this thread an echo chamber? Are my views facing only agreement and not being challenged? You are literally talking to me outside of an echo chamber accusing me of never leaving them.
>>26080884
they do, they're the entire force behind affecting prices. They're not failing at affecting the price, they're failing at not being shitty.

[Anonymous No.26081089]

>>26081014

There’s no law that says businesses have to give new jobs to Americans you filthy commie. Get some skills or be prepared to work for Asian wages.

[Anonymous No.26081129]

>>26081036

Women have literally always worked you incel. >>2608

[Anonymous No.26081139]

>>26081045
correct, that's the entire point
no business owner would ever open a business without an incentive to do so
you never think about that?
we are literally driven by incentives

[Anonymous No.26081150]

>>26081014
Because, ideally, the more qualified candidate gets the job. If it is a position which requires higher ed degrees and experience, then perhaps non-Americans meet these requirements more than the Americans applying. Or, perhaps it's a low end gig that an American would rather not do but a non-American would.

[Anonymous No.26081156]

>>26077175
Based and red pilled

[Anonymous No.26081165]

>>26081055

Yes, because cheap labor benefits capital owners. Based capitalism.

[Anonymous No.26081173]

>>26080959
This person isn’t accounting for the tens of millions of undocumented.

[Anonymous No.26081189]

>>26077175
>JUST RAISE YOUR PRICES TILL YOU CAN PAY THE CLEANING LADY 15$ AN HOUR BRO

[Anonymous No.26081197]

>>26081139
they're still gonna profit

[Anonymous No.26081199]

>>26078042
>>26077106
>NOOOO WE CANT FORCE MCDONALDS TO PAY PEOPLE MORE! THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS REVENUE GROWTH EXPECTATIONS!

[Anonymous No.26081209]

>>26081139

>no business owner would ever open a business without marks to con

Maybe socialism isn’t so bad after all

[Anonymous No.26081216]

>>26081139
businesses are supposed to get value from selling products and services, not exploiting their workforce, retard

[Anonymous No.26081217]

>>26080836
>>26080874
1. nice reddit spacing goyim
2. nobody who actually pays bills works minimum wage, they are worthless workers, who will just end up on welfare and unemployed. this just makes our taxes go up, which will go to daddy gov, and they will only slightly rise for welfare kiddies

[Anonymous No.26081221]

>>26079548
correct, you instead have the underlying psyche of a commie, slave morality ie, a constant seething at people perceived a succesful according to some metric. The rich, whites, men, non faggots, non trannies etc. morality of the weak and effeminate.

[Anonymous No.26081238]

>>26080975
>doesn't realize that inflation is the problem
Until you get rid of rampant money printing, raising the cost of wages, also raises the cost of goods, and does fuck all to solve the underlying problem.
>Businesses charge more for goods and services while hiring LESS people
Christ you commies are dumb.

[Anonymous No.26081248]

>>26081217
you are incorrect. the "only teenagers work minimum wage" crap is a myth to make stupid people like you think it's okay.

[Anonymous No.26081254]

>>26081221

>tracking something with inflation is communism

[Anonymous No.26081262]

>>26081197
as they should, again, hello? in which fucking planet do you live?
you would wake up tomorrow, risk your own money, pay for licenses, open a company, open a business bank account, fill up papers, rent a place, furnish it, buy all the material, all the supply, pay all the workers, pay for marketing and then expecting no reward?
HELLO FUCKING HELLO, IS THERE A BRAIN CELL OUR THERE?

[Anonymous No.26081282]

>>26081068
goyim sees statement
instantly determines it means one thing
doesn't comprehend that it doesn't mean this one thing
runs with it nonetheless in max anger

[Anonymous No.26081297]

>>26081040
Yes they will. Democrats were stuck in a trap of their own making. They started courting immigrants because they realized they could have those votes but then they got taken hostage by those voters, much like republicans are trapped in a relationship with Christian fundamentalists. But dems know the writing is on the wall. Immigration is crushing their voter base, and the question is only if that base will wake up and stop voting for dems or they will become too marginalized by immigration to matter. At any rate, the democratic party is dead inside the decade if they don’t find a way to drastically reduce immigration. Looks like they found a way.
It’s not like anyone believes Democrats actually likes immigrants. It’s a very thin act, and one that has nearly played out.

[Anonymous No.26081306]

>>26081003
>>26080732
>>26080340
>muh smartphone
it's always that shit with you retards. and always implying you NEED the latest iphone
the average boomer is 2-3 generations behind on their smartphone and earns 4x your salary
for work purposes there is literally nothing a $1000 iphone does that a $100 chinkphone cannot do. work at mcdonalds for one day, boom you have your smartphone. wasn't so hard now was it
you'd have an easier time making an argument cars and gas prices are a necessity. but of course, like anyone who makes these flimsy arguments in the first place, you've lived a firmly middle class pampered life and you have never known what real struggle is

[Anonymous No.26081310]

>>26081238

>Boomer rocks

Oh god it’s retarded. Have fun basing your money supply on how much of a shiny rock exists in the world. Gold/silver standard was unironically horrible and led to more sever and frequent contractions, in addition to limiting growth.

[Anonymous No.26081313]

>>26081052
>You don't like it then just don't buy it

Retarded how? You're regurgitating obsolete boomer responses that hold no value in our current society. I'm not saying demand has no effect on pricing. But big businesses are far more powerful than they were in the 50s. And again, try being a working class citizen without a smartphone. Hell, without a cellphone for that matter.

[Anonymous No.26081319]

>>26081221
ok

>>26081238
inflation isn't going away retard, so pegging minimum wage to inflation is obviously the only decent thing to do, unless you want a country of slaves and serfs.

[Anonymous No.26081321]

>>26081262
Im telling you the incentive for them to continue doing business or starting new ones, they're still going to profit, even after this wage increase the incentive will be there.

[Anonymous No.26081348]

>>26081173
Yes I am. Undocumented immigrants will not find jobs that pay $15 /hour, will be priced out of America and will have to move.

[Anonymous No.26081350]

>>26081262

>profit margins go from 33% to 27%

OY VEY

[Anonymous No.26081357]

>>26081248
its like you have no reading comprehension
yes some adults work minimum, they arent worth 15 an hour. with a 15 minimum, they will just be priced out and be shoved into welfare or starving

[Anonymous No.26081366]

>>26081150
>dude just compete with a 7 billion person labor pool lmao, what do you mean you didn't have chinese parents forcing you to study math 16 hours a day as a kid?

[Anonymous No.26081387]

>>26081321
then open your fairy tale business and report to us how did it worked out
i guess you don't even have the mental strength to even think about it

[Anonymous No.26081390]

>>26081165
Yeah that's why you don't increase minimum wage. Literally floods the labor market with more immigrants that pull down the wages and working class.
You are literally arguing against your original thesis now.

[Anonymous No.26081422]

>>26081348
they will just setup a tent in a LA sidewalk and shit on it

[Anonymous No.26081428]

>>26081306
Haha go fuck yourself. Nowhere did I imply NEEDING the latest iphone. I was merely using it as an example of an item that now has become essential to thrive in our society. But apparently you missed the point. Cute assumptions though.

[Anonymous No.26081486]

>>26081310
>thinks that criticizing inflationary money printing (caused by bloated government spending) is the same as calling for an end to fiat money
Some inflation is sustainable. But you parasites want big government to print UBI and pay for all your gibs, and then you wonder why inflation destroys the buying power of your welfare bucks.
Its fucking pathetic how short sighted you are.

[Anonymous No.26081495]

>>26081387
God your side is dumb at this. Like we havent had min wage increases before. "fairy tale business" shit's happened nationwide before.
>>26081428
what the fuck is your argument now then?

[Anonymous No.26081529]

>>26081390
we could easily increase the minimum wage while not allowing in more low skill immigrants...you realize that right

[Anonymous No.26081543]

>>26081387

Again, if you’re business is so Inefficient and unproductive that you can’t pay people fucking fifteen dollarydoos an hour then you shouldn’t be in business

[Anonymous No.26081572]

>>26081428
>I was merely using it as an example of an item that now has become essential to thrive in our society
1) you don't need social networks to thrive in our society, smartphones are mostly a distraction, and you can buy a cheap one to read email and use signal on it, that's fucking it
2) a 200$ second hand laptop is just fine for 99% of the tasks, you can literally pay for you living expenses if you are not a complete retard since 99% of the material is fucking free

[Anonymous No.26081573]

>>26081422
will la man use
>porcelain devil throne
or
>designated shitting beach

[Anonymous No.26081599]

>>26081486

My man...UBI is going to be a thing before the end of the century whether your boomer mind wants it or not. Automation is going to put the majority of people out of a job forever.

[Anonymous No.26081615]

>>26081529
stop immigration, kick out illegals, and stop big companies from outsourcing jobs to China, then we can allow a 15 minimum.

[Anonymous No.26081616]

>>26081543
>Again, if you’re business is so Inefficient and unproductive that you can’t pay people fucking fifteen dollarydoos
>you can’t
maybe i can but i don't want?
is this the land of free?
income tax, IRS robbing you, government centrally planning salaries?
is this fucking 1980 russia?

[Anonymous No.26081624]

>print endless amounts of money
>raise minimum wage to $15
>blame inflation on raising minimum wage

[Anonymous No.26081655]

>>26081599
>UBI is going to be a thing
yeah you will own nothing and be happy to consoom your xanax prescription for free

[Anonymous No.26081656]

>>26081543
>gets 15 bucks an hour but now his coffee and cigarettes cost twice as much
Your buying power doesn't go up with inflation, retard.

[Anonymous No.26081704]

>>26081624
We could use some inflation. US going to stuck in a deflationary spiral for years.

[Anonymous No.26081715]

>>26080102
I know, but nearly $8 over the course of one presidential term seems a bit too fast imo

[Wannabe big noser No.26081730]

>>26080959
Never thought about it this way, thx anon!

[Anonymous No.26081752]

>>26081495
>what the fuck is your argument now then?
"If you don't like it, then don't buy it!" is a dumb fucking boomer response that holds little value currently.

>>26081572
I fully agree, but...
>if you are not a complete retard
which is the majority of the American consumer population. So a handful of people protesting by NOT buying does absolutely nothing to change the cost of the product.

[Anonymous No.26081776]

>>26081599
The retards calling for UBI want to institute it before we have robot slaves. You cant do that without inflating the money supply.
Inflating the money supply turns your $15 an hour back to the purchasing power of $3 dollars an hour, you absolute smoothbrained zoomerinooo.

[Anonymous No.26081778]

>>26081656
min wage increase isnt a blanket-every income earner in America gets an increase. Only the lowest earners. Buying power for the bottom goes up while buying power for everyone else goes down.

[Anonymous No.26081861]

That's the plan, Jack

[Anonymous No.26081866]

>>26080959
>implying that Democrats dont also love exploiting cheep immigrant labor
How fucking new are you?

[Anonymous No.26081875]

>>26081616

The absolute state of conservatives kek. Government setting a barebones floor for employee wages is 1980s Russia.

[Anonymous No.26081911]

>>26081866

You know Elon literally wants to put a chip in your brain right? Oh wait he is based so it’s ok xD

[Anonymous No.26081916]

>>26081366
Isn't that pure capitalism though? Or a meritocracy at least? Of course, I don't agree that we should be outsourcing when we have perfectly willing and abled individuals here in America to do these jobs.

[Anonymous No.26081918]

>>26081778
>Buying power for the bottom goes up while buying power for everyone else goes down.
Buying power for the bottom goes down while buying power for everyone else goes to trash.
Meanwhile billionaires funny numbers go up because Cantillon effect is real.

[Anonymous No.26081951]

>>26080926
Yes, but after you move to Japan

[Anonymous No.26081961]

>>26081911
>complete non sequitur
Answer the question>>26081866