XMR vs DASH vs ZEC

[Anonymous No.25953913]

Which one is the best privacy coin?

[Anonymous No.25953942]

XMR, duh

[Anonymous No.25953946]

>>25953913
DASH literally declared themselves not a privacy coin, so that just leaves XMR and ZEC. The former, of course, is superior.

[Anonymous No.25953983]

>>25953913
Zec will outperform xmr price wise. Both are good. I lean towards zec because the team is much better

[Anonymous No.25954006]

>>25953983
zec = tranny team

[Anonymous No.25954008]

ZEC is optional privacy. It's not their priority.

[Anonymous No.25954049]

>>25953942
/thread

[Anonymous No.25954064]

>>25953913
Zcash. Larger anonymity set, more promising future improvements like halo. Easier for exchanges to integrate and consistent development funding.

[Anonymous No.25954081]

>>25954006
Zookos blog is literally referenced in the btc whitepaper. As far as daira goes I dont care if he thinks hes a fucking helicopter the way he codes.

[Anonymous No.25954084]

>>25954008
exactly. you forget to push the button and you're done for

[Anonymous No.25954110]

>>25953913
DASH
>Self declared not privacy
ZEC
>"Too traceable for criminals, but still private"
>LOL
XMR
>Banned for being too private

[Anonymous No.25954113]

>>25954064
This monero is just a cryptonote clone. Non capped supply and fluffy pony is a retard.

[Anonymous No.25954151]

>>25954084
Lol no. You cant fucking fuck up private addresses start with a z and transparent start with a t

[Anonymous No.25954156]

>>25954084
That's when pushing the button actually works. Some guy on Twitter managed to randomly guess the address of a "private" transaction's sender because only like 10 people actually use ZCash's optional privacy.

[Anonymous No.25954187]

>>25954113
Zooko puts in a backdoor to the code, takes a devtax and deflates ZEC into the dirt and you thank him for it. You're gonna miss out anon

[Anonymous No.25954242]

>>25954156
Noooo the person told the guy the exact time of the transaction and told the it would be a shielding tx. And the destination of the funds. Of course there were only a few z to t transfers at that time which the guy could guess.

[Anonymous No.25954249]

Horizen

[Anonymous No.25954275]

>>25954249
greyscale

[Anonymous No.25954280]

>>25954006
yes Daira is a tranny. la la la la this is my life and zhe/zhir is smart af
la la la la la

[Anonymous No.25954294]

>>25954187
The code is open source you dumb fuck. Show me the backdoor both you and that fat fuck riccardo. Did you miss the fucking price action this month? I killed trading it.

[Anonymous No.25954322]

>>25954275
gray*
>>25954187
howfucking stupid do you have to be to believe this nonsense? also HALO removes trusted setup, dingus so your fud will be outdated along with the XMR you hold when no institution will ever want to buy something associated so publicly with pedos and the dark web.

[Anonymous No.25954328]

>>25954151
optional privacy is not a solution

[Anonymous No.25954343]

>>25954275
oh yeah thanks haha

[Anonymous No.25954347]

>>25954294
You know what else is open source? XMR code lmfao
>inb4 the """privacy advocate""" starts calling monero a pedocoin when pedos would be using zcash if it was private as well

[Anonymous No.25954361]

>>25954328
if you did any research you would see that this fud is also tired. pretty much all of the ECC team is FOR deprecating T-addresses at some point. just look @ their forums and stop getting your info from /biz/.

[Anonymous No.25954388]

>>25954347
it doesn't matter who uses it (unfortunately because pedos need to insta-die)

privacy is important to all of us. as is freedom of speech

[Anonymous No.25954390]

>>25954322
Dont forget halo will bring true layer one scaling. Blockchain syncing will be a thing of the past. Thats why fluffypony is panicking he is literally playing lawyer on twitter concincing people zec is a security.

[Anonymous No.25954393]

>>25953913
>>25953983
>>25954064
>>25954322

[Anonymous No.25954416]

>>25954390
And yet Zcash is still dicking around in the bottom of top 30 with renown privacy coin Dash LOL

[Anonymous No.25954422]

>>25954347
doesn't matter. XMR has first mover advantage of being the pedo coin of choice™. you will never have a smart tranny dev working on your project. you will only attract angry incels who yearn to be something they are not (cypherpunks). my prediction is that /xmr/ gen will exist to attract all the idiot investors who couldn't see how clearly ZEC was positioned as the winner so they can sulk in their own misery.

[Anonymous No.25954471]

>>25954422
Dont care, not buying a surveillance coin controlled by a corporation with ties to Mossad

[Anonymous No.25954499]

>>25954422

[Anonymous No.25954516]

>>25954347
I didnt claim there was a backdoor in xmr there was a really nasty cryptonote bug though. XMR nearly got proper fucked. Their code isnt audited. Zcash code is.

[Anonymous No.25954547]

>>25954471
Shit it's better than I thought it was

[Anonymous No.25954565]

>>25954393
k, post the rest of the convo. I know you're the same XMR fag from the previous ZEC threads, and you never responded to my request last time. go ahead, I'll wait.
>>25954416
>what is more room for growth, Alex?
>>25954390
this PLUS ZUSD (private stablecoins) and ZRC-20 (some variation of ERC-20 tokens).
>>25954471
don't buy it then. have fun paying your taxes to support gender studies programs in pakistan. it's all the same, dipshit. this is a typical XMR maxi who thinks life exists in a vacuum.
>>25954499
are you the anti-MNXXF shill as well? pathetic.

[Anonymous No.25954584]

>>25954416
Dude the diluted mcap isnt that far from xmr. Did you not see it jumped from 55 to 115 in a week?

[Anonymous No.25954596]

I get the feeling ZEC is shilled by glowniggers, based on how lackadaisical ZEC shills are about their optional privacy

[Anonymous No.25954627]

>>25953913
How new are you?

[Anonymous No.25954630]

>>25954596
Its the real honeypot and WHM did not fall for it.

[Anonymous No.25954646]

>>25954584
>>25954565
In case you need a reminder

[Anonymous No.25954670]

>>25954596
It had to launch that way. The computation and memory requirements were too big for power users like exchanges and pools. This has vastly improved. Zk snarks blow ct rings out of the water anonimity set wise.

[Anonymous No.25954685]

>>25954565
>Too traceable when transacting
>Too traceable when exiting

[Anonymous No.25954690]

>>25954646
thanks, but I already know it's undervalued.

[Anonymous No.25954693]

>>25954393
>>25954670
idk about that nerd shit but anybody who trusts something engineered with these goals in mind deserves to get arrested lol

[Anonymous No.25954708]

>>25954596
>lackadaisical
do you say the same thing about BTC?
https://twitter.com/halfin/status/1136749815

[Anonymous No.25954731]

>>25954646
Yeah thats because of the first four years of the zec high inflation phase. Tgat halved in november and now its outperforming xmr price wise.

[Anonymous No.25954773]

>>25954693
Dont know man im in it for the gainz and dont give a fuck about abything else.

[Anonymous No.25954783]

>>25954685
ah, he didn't go to the actual clarification because it would debunk your weak fud narrative.

[Anonymous No.25954799]

>>25954708
yeah. BTC is not a privacy coin.
>>25954773
> Zk snarks blow ct rings out of the water anonimity set wise.
you were talking like you knew what was going on before

[Anonymous No.25954835]

>>25954708
Halfin followed 17 people 1 of them is zooko and the other is the zerocash project. Yet people over here like to suck That fat fucks dick who brought no innovation just modified cryptonote

[Anonymous No.25954840]

>>25954693
https://twitter.com/zooko/status/970182054854971392

[Anonymous No.25954843]

>>25954294
A trusted setup is a controversial one-time setup that is required when using the zero-knowledge proof zk-SNARKS. The issue is that this one-time setup requires that users need to implicitly trust whoever created the keys for the one-time setup to destroy them after they are done, otherwise they can be used to create an unlimited amount of the native token, undetected. Obviously, there are serious concerns with a trusted setup.
>>25954322
Can you explain how halo removes the trusted setup?

[Anonymous No.25954844]

>>25954393
Her later said he was talking about exchanges and cashing out, not the cryptography itself. Besides, it's all open source, a backdoor would be publicly visible.

[Anonymous No.25954873]

>>25954799
I meant I dont care about buying illegal shit. I just hold the coins for profit. I like to read the technical stiff I enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.25954884]

>>25954156
are you talking about this?

[Anonymous No.25954900]

>>25954783
>compatible with good law enforcement

Nigger you believe this? There is no good law enforcement. All "it's for the greater good" eventually gets exploited.
t. all of history

[Anonymous No.25954916]

>>25954873
If your a white male and even slightly redpilled then your assets will be seized as reparations and if you resist then you will be castrated and be given hormone therapy 24/7.

[Anonymous No.25954939]

>>25954843
The trusted setup involved quite a few people. All of them would have to collude and keep their part of the keys that generated the chain. If just one person was honest it wouldnt work

[Anonymous No.25954957]

>>25954884
HOLY FUCK

[Anonymous No.25954984]

>>25954916
I live in a shithole country thats far from “progressive” and everyone is white here

[Anonymous No.25955001]

>>25954957
Easy to guess the address when you have the exact time a t to z transaction was made.

[Anonymous No.25955002]

>>25954884
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.25955010]

>>25954843
Halo uses a new structure that doesn't need a structured reference string. This impacts efficiency but that's more than compensated for by the recursive breakthrough that lets many proofs be rolled into one.

[Anonymous No.25955045]

>>25955001
Feds have blank checks. If data sorting is the only obstacle consider yourself fucked on a long enough time scale.

[Anonymous No.25955146]

>>25955045
Youre not going to tell the feds hey I made a transaction at 4.34 today it was from a shielded address to this transparent address now go and find me.

[Anonymous No.25955190]

>>25955146
Also, even with that information, increasing usage makes it harder and harder, since there will be more transactions at once. Also keep your money in zaddresses instead of using it as a mixer.

[Anonymous No.25955305]

>>25953913
Is this even a question? XMR is the obvious answer. It gets the most actual use. Zcash and Dash aren't terrible but they just can't compete with XMR

[Anonymous No.25955578]

>>25954900
you believe that he actually would publicly come out and say that it's a honeypot? obviously it was taken out of context and continues to be to this day. the code is public, smartie. go audit it: https://github.com/zcash/zcash
>>25954939
this. there's even a radiolab on it.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/ceremony

[Anonymous No.25955773]

if you are too retarded to figure it out yourself, zcash is your pick

[Anonymous No.25955815]

Im just gonna tell you that only one of them is banned on many crypto exchange. Make your own evaluation

[Anonymous No.25955851]

Boom boom boom boom

[Anonymous No.25955852]

>>25953913
xmr is literally the only privacy coin

[Anonymous No.25955887]

only a small % of ZEC transactions even use the privacy feature, in which case whats the point? if no1 really uses its main selling point then it may as well be dogecoin and no1 would give a fk

[Anonymous No.25955915]

>>25955887
https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/principles-for-deprecating-t2t-transactions/38166/16

[Anonymous No.25955918]

Monero is the one adopted by the markets, therefore the only one with a future.
Unironically like buying bitcoin in 2013

[LebAnon No.25956706]

XMR has been chosen as the rightful heir of the BTC throne

[Anonymous No.25956926]

>>25955887
15% which is quite good since almost no exchanges support, pools or hardware walkets support z addresses. Ledger support is coming

[Anonymous No.25957014]

There is a reason why the darknet is switching to XMR and not Zcash.

[Anonymous No.25957752]

>>25957014
following the darknet is never a bad idea, they were right about btc too.

[Anonymous No.25957798]

>>25955887
Privacy is always optional, since you could just use a non-private coin. One coin having both private and transparent transactions allows greater interoperability between private and non-private use cases e.g. exchanges might not be allowed or willing to send private transactions, in which case they could list zec and not xmr, with privacy taking just one transaction from your own wallet after purchase.

[Anonymous No.25957848]

>>25953913
$0xMR, Monero can be tracked

[Anonymous No.25957865]

IDK about that

[Anonymous No.25958494]

>>25957848
nope. 0xmonero is still vaporware bullshit
just like the last hundred times you spammed it
STFU dickless little moron
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoMoonShots/comments/i27fhk/0xmonero_summary_of_findings/
>>/biz/thread/S24750658#p24755504

[Anonymous No.25959301]

>>25954249
delete this not done acumulationg

[pajeet No.25959368]

>>25953913
neither of them because privacy coins are being banned soon. why do you all believe tether would bring down bitcoin when its not related to it, but yet your blind to the fact its been stated time and time again that the govs will ban privacy coins due to money laundering with them and even exchanges have been delisting them because the govs would shut down any exchange that has them eventually?

[Anonymous No.25959419]

>>25953913
this is the least noj debate in crypto, XMR is private by default and has decentralized mining

[Anonymous No.25959515]

>>25953913
Monero coz Snowguy said so

[Anonymous No.25959589]

>>25959368
they're afraid that the money laundering is not in their hands anymore. they can't partake in it, so it must be banned

>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bank-scandal-2020-2-trillion-transaction-suspected-illegal-activity-money-laundering/

>https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/business/standard-chartered-sanctions-violations.html

>https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/hsbc-to-pay-record-fine-to-settle-money-laundering-charges/

>https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/global-banks-defy-u-s-crackdowns-by-serving-oligarchs-criminals-and-terrorists/

[LebAnon No.25959864]

>>25959515
he also shilled zcash
take what he says with a grain of salt imho

[Anonymous No.25960461]

>>25959368
care to explain how they would ban monero sir?

[Anonymous No.25961021]

>>25953913
FIRO

[Anonymous No.25961054]

>>25959589
Exactly. So nobody will use it when it’s banned. No accessibility means no money flowing in.

[Anonymous No.25961528]

>>25961054
Atomic swaps, genius.

[Anonymous No.25961817]

It's so funny how zcash kikes only shill their coin on /biz/ when it pumps. This shitcoin has literally no adoption. It's an asic miner pump and dump and next week at this time it will dump 100% and be back to never being mentioned on here.
exhibit a: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-zec-xmr.html
exhibit b: https://explorer.zcha.in/statistics/values
exhibit c: https://www.timesofisrael.com/zcash-the-israeli-developed-virtual-money-starts-to-make-its-mark/
Zcash has literally zero dark net adoption. 99% of its transactions are unshielded, compared to 100% shielded with Monero. Zcash was developed in FUCKING ISREAL. Zcash is a centralized dev team with a dev tax. Zcash has the exact same trash scaling as Bitconi. Zcash has literally no community other than the same three moonboy faggots on /biz/ who post whenever whales pump and dump their shit coin. And Zcash has a trusted set up, and I don't give a fuck about Halo because your big words and moon math doesn't change the already numerous red flags about this shit project. It's a scam that isn't used for privacy, unlike Monero, which is clearly the coin of choice for privacy based on recent events on the dark net.
Monero dunks on Zcash in literally every single way.

[Anonymous No.25962208]

>>25953913
Dero.
I know /biz/ hates it, but they will be the first layer one solutuon with fully homomorphic encryption and smart contracts.

Privacy coins are in deep shit though, I wouldn't invest in any of them now, unless you live in some sort of ancap utopia.

[Anonymous No.25962402]

>>25961528
If they ban it before AS?

[Anonymous No.25962587]

>>25961817
>Da joos
It's all open source, assuage your paranoia by examining the source code yourself
>Too many transparent transactions
Using moneri only hides your input among 11 others, but for zcash the anonymity set is every private transaction of the same type. As long as there's more than 11 private zcash users, you're better hidden in zcash.
>Dev tax
In other words, it's got a consistently funded team of the very best experts in the world at zero knowledge tech.
>Pump-chasing shills
Someone asked a question and I answered
>Scaling
Halo will blow everything else out of the water. Recursive snarks are a game changer, the whole chain will be verified by a single proof
>I don't give a fuck about halo
Because it btfos your arguments
>Trusted setup
87 people contributed, if even one of them was honest the whole thing is secure. Also, halo will have no trusted setup at all.

[Anonymous No.25963132]

>>25962587
>consistently funded team
the xmr community raised $300k in under a week for atomic swaps. explain to me why zec devs need 20% of the block reward? that's a pretty big red flag. the devs don't want anonymous digital cash; they want to get rich.

[Anonymous No.25963182]

>>25953913
zec could be better than xmr, but they fucked up with optional only privacy

[Anonymous No.25963325]

>>25963132
Community funding is fickle and uncertain. You need both consistent funding and a meaningful vision to get and keep the best of the best. The block reward already pays for the security of the network, paying for its development as well is hardly a crazy leap.

[Anonymous No.25963326]

>>25962587
>It's all open source, assuage your paranoia by examining the source code yourself
That's not the point retard. It was developed in tel aviv which is a major red flag. You have no idea what you are talking about if you want to trust israel and backdoors.
>Using moneri only hides your input among 11 others, but for zcash the anonymity set is every private transaction of the same type. As long as there's more than 11 private zcash users, you're better hidden in zcash.
What percentage of zcash transactions are fully shielded you mongoloid?
>In other words, it's got a consistently funded team of the very best experts in the world at zero knowledge tech.
No, in other words you are paying a 20% fee for a shitcoin that has literally no adoption, whereas MOnero has no dev tax and already does everything better.
>Halo will blow everything else out of the water. Recursive snarks are a game changer, the whole chain will be verified by a single proof
Oh yeah, a huge game changer. Where, moving forward, only 98% of the transactions will be unshileded!
>Because it btfos your arguments
Not at all, and let's be honest here, you actually haven't read the Halo white paper. This is all big words and moon math that doesn't solve the massive issue of nobody actually using zcash. RETARD: 99% OF YOUR TRANSACTIONS ARE UNSHIELDED. NOBODY IS ACTUALLY USING ZCASH. WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS.
>87 people contributed, if even one of them was honest the whole thing is secure. Also, halo will have no trusted setup at all.
trusting israel, lmfao.

[Anonymous No.25963328]

>>25954884
someone explain. Was this a shielded transaction that he traced or something else? This seems too comical.

[Anonymous No.25963363]

>>25963325
And yet Monero is actually being adopted in niche privacy uses, and Zcash is a fucking meme.

[Anonymous No.25963405]

>>25954110
based

[Anonymous No.25963452]

>>25954249
Based. Biz sleeping on this. What is make it stack

[Anonymous No.25963524]

>>25963328
yeah, it was literally a shielded transaction.
because their privacy is not built in, you are painting a massive target on yourself when switching from unshielded to shielded addresses unless you know what you are doing.

[Anonymous No.25963606]

>>25953913
it's probably going to be BCH or LTC with their priv options just because of market capture + brand trust.

strictly talking tech I like MWC

[Anonymous No.25963785]

>>25963524
Say you withdraw from an exchange, then you do 2 shielded txs to yourself later on, can they trace you that way? Or is the anonymity set too small? The fact that darknets use xmr (their lives/livelihood depend on it) is enough proof to show that xmr is superior but I am curious as ZEC seems to be a distant 2nd place but still the only true contender. That being said, I remember reading that the monero devs are interested in zk-snarks or whatever but they said it's too computationally expensive right now but they'd consider it in the future.

[Anonymous No.25963964]

>>25963326
>not the point
You had a point? I must have missed it in all the bullshit.
>What percentage of zcash transactions are fully shielded
You're literally replying to my point about why that's the wrong metric
>Monero already does everything better
But it doesn't
>moving forward, only 98% of the transactions will be unshileded
You're replying to a point about scaling. Maybe sober up a little before your next point
>you actually haven't read the Halo white paper
I have, in fact. I won't claim to fully follow the maths, but the open and online nature of the collaborative effort means flaws get noticed by the community
>WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS
I understand your point, but I consider it irrelevant for the reasons outlined above. Even a small pool of indistinguishable transactions offers better privacy than 11 decoy outputs.
>trusting israel, lmfao
Almost all of the participants live elsewhere and aren't jewish. Your /pol/-tier paranoia does not serve you well

>>25963328
He saw a transaction for almost the same value enter the shielded pool before the transaction out. Monero has the same problem: if you trade some BTC for monero and then back to BTC, anyone paying attention will be able to link those two transactions by their similar values.

>>25963363
The market is early as yet, and the advantages of zcash will give it a leg up in the long run. Don't mistake me for a maximalist, I hold some XMR too, but I'm more optimistic about zcash.

>>25963785
If you withdraw a specific amount of XMR from an exchange, and then spend almost the same amount on a darknet market, and the police subpoena the exchange and raid the market, they may put two and two together. Practically speaking, you're fine.

[Anonymous No.25964268]

>>25963964
lmfao, look at that. He can't admit that literally nobody uses zcash for privacy.
>Even a small pool of indistinguishable transactions offers better privacy than 11 decoy outputs.
nigger, Monero has more privacy features that ring signatures
> if you trade some BTC for monero and then back to BTC, anyone paying attention will be able to link those two transactions by their similar values.
Yes, but that is because of Bitcoin's ledger. This isn't a problem with Monero, because you can't read the blockchain.
>The market is early as yet, and the advantages of zcash will give it a leg up in the long run.
You are retarded. There is no competition. The dark net overwhelmingly chose Monero over any alternatives, and by this time next year Monero will be the only coin used on there. You've already lost and you don't realize it. Monero has the network effect for privacy and you are getting jewed.

[Anonymous No.25964373]

XMR is only for the chosen ones who value security over bubbly gains
monerochan gives its users the safest and most pleasant experience
keep playing with your pajeetcoins, leave us alone

[Anonymous No.25964887]

>>25964268
>literally nobody
About 6.5% fully shielded, long term average. Again, I repeat my point that this results in a much larger anonymity set than moneros 11 mixins
>more privacy features that ring signatures
It also conceals values with CT and prevents address reuse with stealth addresses. These three together still leak more data than a z2z zcash transaction.
>that is because of Bitcoin's ledger
Evidently you didn't grasp the analogy, so I'm going to try again more explicitly. Bitcoin maps to the zcash transparent pool, and monero to the zcash shielded pool. The problem is treating the anonymous asset as a temporary mixer, where your entries and exits may be easily correlated, instead of keeping your assets private to begin with. The boundary is set at an exchange in one case and on the blockchain in another, but the situations are analagous.
>There is no competition
And yet, zcash competes. I'm aware that monero has more adoption at the moment, but the technical superiority of zcash gives it more promise long term. Moneros most likely failure mode is its ballooning block size leading to mining centralisation and eventual regulatory capture, but there's also the possibility that chainalysis or some such corporation scores some wins with the particularly careless, and that scares people into upgrading to the more private asset. If network effects were everything, they'd all still be using bitcoin exclusively.

[Anonymous No.25965156]

>>25964887
>About 6.5% fully shielded, long term average. Again, I repeat my point that this results in a much larger anonymity set than moneros 11 mixins
then show me a graph that shows growing fully shielded use. Go on. I'll wait right here.
oh wait here you go: https://twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1348440755598196745/photo/1
>These three together still leak more data than a z2z zcash transaction.
citatoin needed. There has never been a directly traced Monero transaction.
>Evidently you didn't grasp the analogy
jesus fucking christ you really are a retard.
I completely understood what you are talking about. Bitcoin has a transparent ledger. You can't just swap into Monero and swap immediately back out because you would have the same amount of Bitcoin.
This is why YOU NEED PRIVACY BY DEFAULT.
>And yet, zcash competes
How is it competing? It has literally zero dark net adoption.
>If network effects were everything, they'd all still be using bitcoin exclusively.
And yet Monero is taking Bitcoins market share on the dark net you retard.

[Anonymous No.25965312]

>>25954361
>at some point.
I keked
I've got no skin the game (xmr or zec) but when dev's say, at some point, they're usually full of shit or it's so far down the list it's not worth it to talk about.

t. dev

[Anonymous No.25966076]

>>25953913
Anybody know anything about pi? couldnt see a specific pi thread so im trying here first.. just downloaded the app but it just feels off yaknow...

[Anonymous No.25966109]

>>25965156
>then show me a graph
How about I show you the actual data instead?
https://zcha.in/statistics/usage
12857/(156725+29695+12857) ≈ 0.0645
If the numbers are too scary for you, flip me $20 of your favourite private cryptocurrency and I'll make a nice colourful chart for you.
>There has never been a directly traced Monero transaction
Entirely wrong. In the early days, there were less mixins and an unrealistic sampling distribution meant that usually the youngest input was the real one. It's improved a lot now, of course, but this 2018 paper shows just how bad it used to be: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.04299/
>I completely understood what you are talking about
Evidently not.
>This is why YOU NEED PRIVACY BY DEFAULT
No, this is why you need to keep your assets shielded, instead of treating it like a mixer. This is the same conclusion, whether your preferred private asset is xmr or shielded zec
>It has literally zero dark net adoption
Not the same as competition. As long as it exists as a competitor, it is competing.
>Monero is taking Bitcoins market share
Again I think you stumbled past my point there. If it happened to bitcoin, it can happen to monero too. Network effects aren't everything.

[Anonymous No.25966126]

>>25965156
>YOU NEED PRIVACY BY DEFAULT
This. Zcash is garbage for so many fucking reasons its almost unfathomable, but the most unforgivable fatal flaw is that they allowed for optional privacy because zkSNARKS are so computationally expensive. I could write a dissertation on how much better Monero is when compared to Zcash but the fact that it is essentially bitcoin with a different logo for 99% of its transactions makes it a massive meme.

>dev tax
>self-admittedly "not too private" (but only for badguys!)
>corporate
>trusted setup
>ASIC mined

wew laddie

[Anonymous No.25966235]

>>25966126
>not too private
That tweet was referring to exchanges and cashing out, like >>25954884 a problem avoidable if you stay in zcash and common to all anonymous assets.

[Anonymous No.25966362]

>>25966109
>h12857/(156725+29695+12857) ≈ 0.0645
lmfao that says past month you fucking retard.
>. It's improved a lot now, of course, but this 2018 paper shows just how bad it used to be
ridiculous argument. You can't shit on the privacy of something several years ago when improvements have been implemented in the mean time. Privacy is a constant battle.
To date, there has never been a person who has had their monero directly traced in an investigation.
>Evidently not.
what are you talking about? How did I not understand what you are talking about?
>No, this is why you need to keep your assets shielded, instead of treating it like a mixer.
yeah, and 99% of zcash is transparent you fucking retard
>Not the same as competition. As long as it exists as a competitor, it is competing.
lmao at that cope
> If it happened to bitcoin, it can happen to monero too. Network effects aren't everything.
okay nigger. In five years when nobody is still using zcash and it is still an asic miner pump and dump, and Monero is the privacy coin of choice, we will see if you still think that "network effects aren't everything".
have a nice day shlomo.

[Anonymous No.25966987]

>>25966362
>that says past month
Exactly the same as one of the bars on your graph. If you'd like the daily percentage, see if you can manage to do the calculation yourself.
>You can't shit on the privacy of something several years ago
>>>NEVER BEEN
How did you even manage to purchase crypto with this much of a critical thinking deficit
>How did I not understand what you are talking about?
Because you then ignore the analogy to which I refer
>99% of zcash is transparent
Less than 95%
https://explorer.zcha.in/statistics/values
And again, since you keep bashing your head on this wall, I must remind you that's still a larger anonymity set than monero's 11 mixins.
>think that "network effects aren't everything".
The demise of bitcoin on the darknet demonstrated that quite well. That was the original point on that subthread; scroll up if you can't quite remember a few posts ago.

[Anonymous No.25967752]

>>25954064
>Zcash. Larger anonymity set
Lol fuck no. Don't let the ring size thing fool you, Monero is far more private than Zcash in the real world.

[Anonymous No.25967795]

>>25966987
>larger anonymity set
I don't think you know what this means. Just because the ring size of Monero is 11 doesn't mean you can be identified as one of those 11 transactions. You have no idea what set of 11 outputs to look for. Ring signatures + ring CT + stealth addresses means nobody can see which transactions are real, which ones are decoys or what the amounts in the transactions are.

[Anonymous No.25968124]

>>25967752
>let the ring size thing fool you
The whole point of the ring size thing is that the monero anonymity set isn't the set of all transactions. It's just you and 11 other inputs.
>>25967795
>You have no idea what set of 11 outputs to look for
Stealth addresses prevent address reuse but they don't conceal the transaction graph. That's the job of ring signatures. Each transaction links back to 12 (or more) outputs, and the ring signature means you don't know which one signed the tx.

[Anonymous No.25968592]

>>25954422
>tranny devs good
>incel devs bad
Zcash shills really think like this?

>>25968124
The set of decoys increases exponentially as you follow the transaction graph. If you go back 8 transactions you're already over 400 million decoys. Better than you'll ever do with Zcash's tiny pool of shielded txs.

[Anonymous No.25969104]

>>25968592
Who wants to wait for 8 transactions before they buy their drugs?

[Anonymous No.25969510]

>>25969104
Retard.

[Anonymous No.25969556]

>>25966076
It's dog shit