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[Anonymous No.24599518]

>https://twitter.com/TheTwoon/status/1335669931757756416
Inflation conspiracy doomers absolutely obliterated. Inflation won't happen if we just say it can't happen. Its all over for bitcoin and gold. Long live fait. Print away baby.

[Anonymous No.24599607]

>>24599518
>all those niggers thinking she is serious
we truly share this planet with NPCs

[Anonymous No.24599637]

i'd fuck her

[Anonymous No.24599650]

[Anonymous No.24599655]

>>24599518
>she's describing UDSTs tokenomics
>This is how BTC Maxies actually think

[Anonymous No.24599678]

>>24599650

[Anonymous No.24599701]

>>24599650
>Binary represents electricity
This is even worse than the op, you can tell this person is serious

[Anonymous No.24599704]

This is unironically pretty high iq for female. Shes right about it being worthless. 0 x 0 = 0

[Anonymous No.24599729]

>>24599678

[Anonymous No.24600039]

>>24599637
She has some crazy eyes. You know what they say about sticking your dick in crazy.

[Anonymous No.24601054]

>>24599518
she cute

[Anonymous No.24601271]

>>24599729
>nigger hands clapping while they spout frankfurt school nonsense
These subhumans should be killed.

[Anonymous No.24601461]

>>24599518
https://twitter.com/UnwarrantedDes/status/1335673942338535425
These fucking retards are coping drones lol. ''LOOK IT HAPPENED THERE THAT MEANS ITS DESTINED TO HAPPEN AND ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!''
Obviously the observation she's making is banal as fuck and she's also really annoying but the fact that these niggers can't even retort it is embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.24601521]

115iq dunning-kruger retards million times more insufferable than the girl

[Anonymous No.24601542]

>>24601461
Conspiritards can only say the same thing. They have begging for an economic collapse that is never going to happen for decades. They will never grasp that yes, the Fed can just print as much money as it wants.

[Anonymous No.24601729]

>>24599518
Liberal economics is a cult of cuckoldry. These idiots will compare money to an apple and say 'if you have more apples they will be worth less' except an apple is a physical good that has to grow on a tree and has to be made whereas money is... a number...

[Anonymous No.24601794]

>>24599729
This is a nice glimpse into the future considering the majority of Gen Z thinks this way

[Anonymous No.24601935]

>>24601542
>They have begging for an economic collapse that is never going to happen for decades.
But it is happening. It has been happening for a long time. Look around the country. Is it getting better, or worse?
The collapse isn't going to be like a light switch being turned on. By the time it's in your face obvious, it's over for you. This is a major problem with humans in general. It's incredibly difficult or maybe impossible to get them to change course without any salient triggers. If the decline has been engineered, then they did it exactly perfectly. You don't just rugpull overnight, because then people act. You rugpull over like 50-100 years and there's time for new generations to be born and raised who are at every step perfectly content with the new normal because it is all they know. Then it gets slightly worse for them but it's ok, because it's only slightly. And the cycle continues.
tl;dr you're a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.24602094]

>>24601935
a winrar is you

[Anonymous No.24602247]

Laugh all you want, but this is basically how the US has been handling its own economy since COVID.
There are people working 24/7 behind the scenes to try to manipulate markets, public discourse, and government funds to make inflation just not happen.

It will happen eventually of course, it needs to, whether they found a way to stretch it out over a longer amount of time or just delay it.

[Anonymous No.24602579]

>>24599518
She's a keynesian genius

[Anonymous No.24602651]

>>24601935
Sounds like you are upset that some canadian thot absolutely nuked your doomer nonsense from orbit. No world ending collapse for you conspirifag.

[Anonymous No.24602830]

Because the dollar is the world reserve currency and oil is only allowed to be sold for dollars and the US is the world police, the US gets to export all our inflation to other countries through jewish magic. This was set up at Bretton Woods.

It will continue to work as long as everyone agrees to play along. But many countries are now working directly with China who is trying to play the exact same currency manipulation games the US currently plays. Then there's the cryptocurrency problem for the money printers, which is entirely new to them but they're trying to treat it like gold, and it's not working. There's just no way to trick people into fractional reserving their crypto when it's so trivial to own it yourself and spend it entirely without restriction by the government.

Basically, fiat is ending in our lifetimes. You need to own arable land, farming tools and seeds, guns, ammo, gold, generators, fuel, solar panels, and crypto. You need to ensure you have a bunker and your land can be defended with lethal force. You'll also want some kind of artillery in case the roving hordes of joggers acquire armored vehicles before they come to your homestead. Once you have all the things I listed, and the skills to use them, you will fear nothing because you are as prepared as you can possibly be.

[Anonymous No.24602858]

she is not wrong? The value is just made up

[Anonymous No.24602896]

>>24602830
This is literally everything I know and all the information I have collected throughout 2 years since I've been into finance.

Most people don't understand why the US has a reserve currency or what it even means.

Question for you, how long do you think the strength of the dollar will hold? What are the signs to lookout for?

Should I exit stocks, forget IRAs and look mainly into owning land and maybe some compliance-friendly crypto like xrp/xlm?

[Anonymous No.24602897]

>>24599518
People don't like having physical money because its both a burden to store and will devalue overtime therefore more printed money = more money in circulation and more people willing to spend more in the short term which makes prices get higher essentially making the fiat worth less (but still be worth the same amount relative to the product) but the only way to conserve the value of the money during this process is to jabe it in the stock market because having it in the bank means its been devalued. This is basically why ubi is retarded.

[Anonymous No.24602905]

>>24599518
>https://twitter.com/TheTwoon/status/1335669931757756416
Why do you follow this dumb nigger? Is this you?

[Anonymous No.24602965]

>>24599518

[Anonymous No.24602992]

>>24599518

[Anonymous No.24603013]

>>24599518
>how to prevent something losing value when you add more of it
>just don't make it lose value
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[Anonymous No.24603034]

btw I lost at "just dont tell anybody"

[Anonymous No.24603086]

>>24602896
The USD is the world reserve currency because of its transparency in issuance and monetary policy, manipulating the money supply in concert with the needs of the economy.

Anyone who thinks lmao, hyperinflation /pol-tier, Alex Jones / Ron Paul tier, etc. theories should, I am serious: commit your capital to the advise of someone more experienced, and smarter than you. You will only lose money making decisions in finance. Business is different.

[Anonymous No.24603098]

>>24602858
The value is dependent on the market, but it's not as simple as more money = more inflation like the twitter retards are implying.

[Anonymous No.24603110]

>>24599678
Hold up let me pull out my wheel of cheese to pay for my electricity bill. Oh you don’t accept wheels of cheese? You only take cinnamon? Hold on let me go find a cinnamon merchant to barter this cheese with. If only we had a mutually agreed upon medium of exchange

[Anonymous No.24603130]

>>24603086
I absolutely understand the dollar isn't going away any time soon as the issue of transparency and trust in government, and a currency being seen as a "safe-haven" is too strong against competitors.

But I also understand what the anon is saying, the phasing of oil and etc. will cause the dollar to inflate in the future, and crypto isn't making things easier either.

What say you then?

[Anonymous No.24603155]

>>24599678
>trading an entire wheel of cheese for one loaf of bread

ngmi

[Anonymous No.24603165]

reason #8758901 why women should not be able to vote

[Anonymous No.24603179]

>>24599518
You unironically got trolled by a woman making a "funny" video

[Anonymous No.24603208]

>>24602830
The obvious choice here is one of those flak 88s when it comes to artillery, just have to teach the misso to act as loader

[Anonymous No.24603221]

>>24603165
Refute the part about inflation pussy.

[Anonymous No.24603235]

>>24603179
You unironically think she’s being ironic. Jeepers

[Anonymous No.24603258]

>>24602896
>Question for you, how long do you think the strength of the dollar will hold? What are the signs to lookout for?
It's already slipping. Countries are doing more direct deals and multilateral deals without the US. China is moving heavily into the investment space that used to be strictly American, and they're buying up ports like mad around the world. Plus, there have been repeated attempts in the last few decades to trade gold for something other than dollars. They've been largely shut down, except for Iran, but America is becoming more and more isolationist (Biden might get us more involved but Americans won't like it). Read/watch Zeihan. He's got the best understanding of things in my opinion. Sign to look out for is actual creation of an EU military and any whiff of oil being traded for something other than dollars.

>Should I exit stocks, forget IRAs and look mainly into owning land and maybe some compliance-friendly crypto like xrp/xlm?
Fuck compliance, dude. If crypto is compliant, it'll be inflated just like fiat. Worthless. BTC, LINK, and PNK are the main tokens to hold. ETH is doing weird shit right now so I can't recommend it for the long term. Everything else is probably going to go to zero over time, or just trade at a ratio with BTC as a BTC alternative. XMR is good if you want to actually do private transactions or hide money but I don't know how the price is going to move in the long term.

Exiting stocks, I can't say. On the one hand, the market is already over-inflated. On the other hand, it can probably continue to inflate massively. With so much QE money floating around, it's not like 2008 where a liquidity trap can force massive sell offs at a loss driving the market down. Now, everyone (institutions) has access to 0% interest free overnight money, as much as they need, just for the asking. I own some stocks but I'll be selling them as soon as it's been 367 days so I can take my profits.

[Anonymous No.24603265]

>>24603221
Literally money supply you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.24603334]

>>24599729
>first form of currency dates to 600 B.C.
I guess Cyrus was paying his troops in chesse and Croesus was famed to be rich because he had a lot of bread

[Anonymous No.24603346]

>>24603265
That is not a refutation. Money is not some good in limited supply. *WE* determine the value that it represents. Stop letting market econ brainrot cuck you into submission.

[Anonymous No.24603384]

>>24603346
Sure, let's just all decide to make 20 dollars worth 10 kg of gold okay? HNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG retard

[Anonymous No.24603395]

>>24603208
Only problem I have is it's currently illegal to own high explosive artillery rounds, which is what you really want for armored vehicles. However, old school ship cannons and grapeshot artillery will still take out anyone short of a sloped/reactive armor tank.

I don't want to alert the glowies but the geneva convention has a lot of good ideas in it for people trying to defend their home from tyrants and their armies.

[Anonymous No.24603428]

>>24603346
The problem is money is literally based on human energy and the market value for that energy.
People aren't gonna work for free if the amount of money given is not representative of the effort put in the labor they work for.

[Anonymous No.24603437]

>>24602830
>Because the dollar is the world reserve currency and oil is only allowed to be sold for dollars and the US is the world police, the US gets to export all our inflation to other countries through jewish magic. This was set up at Bretton Woods.

The 80s called, they want their narrative back. Oil is currently being traded for Euro and Yuan. Even the Saudis dropped USD this summer. Also even Canada is now buying Russian oil, because at the current prices the US oil industry is just not competitive.

Also US is not the world police and everyone shits on US. Remember when Iran bombed the fuck out of the US military base and downed a US plane with no consequences? Or the time Russia removed US troops from Syria? Or the time China won the trade war?

US is having death throws.

[Anonymous No.24603459]

>>24603384
Why should you not be able to? There is no objective quantifier of the value of gold. Again, you can not refute this. You have simply taken the unironic bluepill that is the pseudoscience of high school econ and treat it as gospel like every deluded liberal and conservative does.

[Anonymous No.24603477]

>>24599518
looks like young Hillary Clinton

[Anonymous No.24603479]

>>24599518
cum on her face fellow autis

[Anonymous No.24603503]

>>24603155
IKR, still neither cunt can make a sandwich

[Anonymous No.24603527]

>>24603428
Except that many people do do exactly that? In what world is the wage of an Asian sweatshop worker representative of the amount of effort they put into the work when they can barely scrape by with it?

[Anonymous No.24603535]

>>24603346
Yeah “we” is the “global market” you fucking double nigger.
The only reason we haven’t seen inflation is because the USD is a reserve currency meaning you need to buy them if you want to trade oil for instance.
I don’t know what fucking dumb ass meme shit you watched on YouTube but you don’t understand the basics of macro

[Anonymous No.24603588]

>>24603527
The people do, and their government, does. The government is (supposedly) an extension of the will of the people, so with the consent of the people, and the faciliations of the government they undervalue their labor.

If you want anon, you can go out and clean a 2bdroom for $2/hr in order to undercut competitors. Ultimately it is you, and your government who will decide how much you're worth as ideally your government can only do so with your consent.

[Anonymous No.24603624]

>>24603346
>>24603221
How far back are you willing to go? When 1$ was worth en entire deer? Entire stores will have to change their signs and markets will have to play along, all fiat would have to be remade.

[Anonymous No.24603638]

>>24603535
You act like inflation is some entropic universal force that *has* to occur in a similar vein to the passing of time. No I do not understand macro and it is likely that you don't either, because it is esoteric pseudoscience. Or are you going to explain to me how
>the USD is a reserve currency
logically follows into
>meaning you NEED to use it to buy oil
and how that logically follows into
>meaning that there's no inflation
?

[Anonymous No.24603676]

>>24603428
>The problem is money is literally based on human energy and the market value for that energy.
Nope, wrong. You might think that if you're in the lower class and trade your time/labor for currency, but it's not really based on energy or any of that nonsense.

>>24603437
US is still ensuring freedom of the seas. I agree that US influence is declining but it's not death throes. The EU is safe from war because the US funds NATO at a net loss. China hasn't done even worse shit in the west pacific only because the US is there constantly ready to push them back if they get too uppity.

[Anonymous No.24603700]

You fucking retards booing when this thot just gave justification to the existence of scarce synthetic currency.

Shit is artificial already just build it better.

[Anonymous No.24603758]

>>24603700
>be you
>trading BTC on bitmex dot com
>tfw retarded government wants to delete inflation
>get liquidated
>kill yourself

[Anonymous No.24603786]

>>24603459
the value of gold is worth what people currently accept to exchange it from, it can be a certain amount of dollars, a particular amount of ps5, of cows, or whatever, and it's a result of the current state of the economy and markets tells you what this state is, go sleep

[Anonymous No.24603790]

>>24603676
It absolutely is though, it is based on debt, which is the promise of human labor or energy in exchange of proof for that.
If that isn't, then tell me what it is.

What does it mean you owe me money? What do you have to do to obtain that? You can beg for people, but to some extent you will have to work for it or obtain it from someone who had to spend energy to obtain it, to the proportion of its scarcity.

If it isn't then say what it is.

[Anonymous No.24603811]

>>24603638
There’s nothing esoteric about it. Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean it’s a spook you fucking nigger.
Supply and demand is as basic as it gets.
Demand for USD on a global scale is high so printing has not outpaced demand which is why it doesn’t cost $50 for a loaf of bread.
What actually is happening is that the printed money isn’t getting to anyone because no one is being approved for loans so banks are just taking it and putting it into assets causing a melt up.
Direct payments and recurring UBI are coming and will absolutely devalue currency whether you “believe” It or not

[Anonymous No.24603970]

>>24603790
>If that isn't, then tell me what it is.
This might blow your mind, but it's just a commodity. Like any other commodity, except this one is issued by a central body and forcibly given minimum value by the taxman and his armed thugs. Read Bagehot. It has nothing to do with labor, and only a little to do with debt.

>>24603638
>logically follows into
>meaning you NEED to use it to buy oil
That has more to do with Bretton Woods and the US' role as world police ensuring open trade globally. You should read up about Bretton Woods, it's pretty important to everything that's happened since the end of WW2, and it's only in the last few decades that it's even started to fall apart, but it still has a lot of momentum behind it so it's not so apparent the MSM would report on it.

[Anonymous No.24604047]

>>24603437
>US is having death throws.

I don't exactly disagree with this, but the US hegemony isn't dying as quickly as europoors and other third worlders hope. The US still spends enough money and has enough of a nuclear arsenal to bomb/nuke any country back to the stone age. Anybody that argues otherwise has no fucking clue what they're talking about.

In fact, the value of the USD as world currency is proof of that. That's literally the ONLY reason the USD is so powerful - because the US spends enough on military to enforce that. Cut US military spending and the whole fucking ponzi falls apart.

hint: that's why trump was so dangerous to the American establishment. He was vehemently anti-war. But even an anti-war President can't stop the fucking US military complex. Nothing can right now, but eventually a Russia/China coalition + continually weakened and compromised US politics probably will.

[Anonymous No.24604050]

>>24599637
I guess id marry her .

[Anonymous No.24604276]

>>24599729
>Money is not real its a colonial concept

[Anonymous No.24604323]

>>24603811
See, again with the shit that doesn't logically follow in any capacity.
>Demand for USD on a global scale is high so printing has not outpaced demand which is why it doesn’t cost $50 for a loaf of bread.
So what you are telling me is that if people stopped wanting the USD and the Fed kept 'printing' more of it, then magically your loaf of bread would go up to $50? Why? What is the REASON for that happening? Because there is more money (and we are at a point where money is indistinguishable from numbers of a screen) HAS to inflate now? If I were to somehow hack my bank account and give myself 60000 quadrillion dollars right now, you are saying that that would affect the price of bread, huh? Why? Who's controlling that? Does some retard notice that I injected 60000 quadrillion into the economy and decides "HMMM this should all be worth less now, because people ACTUALLY being able to buy what they need is BAD!" Or does some other fuckface in his store somehow notices this, y'know with no way to actually know that I gave myself all this money, and decide "well I guess I should up the price of my bread now, because, uuuh, I want more money!" Face it, money at this point is a self-destructive scam that doesn't quantify the value of your work accurately and seemingly fluctuates in worth whenever the fuck it wants to at the expense of millions of people.

[Anonymous No.24604321]

>>24599637
>>24604050
Fuck it.
I’ll kill her.

[Anonymous No.24604393]

>>24599637
i would impregnate her right in the pussy

[Anonymous No.24604495]

She's not wrong.

Inflation is a myth perpetuated by the 1% to keep the wage gap bigger. As long as a country like the United States or China controls global trade, it doesn't matter if their currency "inflates". It's the other countries' problem, not the chad ones.

The United States knows this which is why they keep printing money yet telling everybody inflation is bad.

[Anonymous No.24604512]

>>24599704
Kek your so right and people are ignoring her

[Anonymous No.24604515]

>>24599518
>>24599637
mole

[Anonymous No.24604549]

Man i am gen z and these people are my compatriots. I am really destined to be great simply by virtue of not being retarded

[Anonymous No.24604625]

>>24599704
Yeah the normies are waking up to the monopoly money scam it seems.

[Anonymous No.24604641]

>>24599518
>print more
>dont let it inflate
master plan

[Anonymous No.24604670]

>>24604495
the value of the dollar can go up, but if nothing is done and money just printed the value will go down, you mix up the total value of the dollar which can go up eventually and the value of 1 dollar which goes down

[Anonymous No.24604690]

>>24604670

But nothing getting done literally cannot happen. People will spend money.

[Anonymous No.24604723]

>>24599518
>>24599637
>>24604050
>>24599650
>>24599678
I mean she has a point. What Hitler did in the 30s was printing more but also keep prices stable by threaten concentration camp to usurers. that is real and he even explained that.
https://archive.org/details/19370520AdolfHitlerAnspracheAnDieBauarbeiterInBerchtesgardenUeberDieNSWirtschaftspolitik19m57s
But yes that doesnt work forever, and he didint print as much as today, and usurers get away with anything in clown world. But for the few years he was in power it worked perfectly and there was almost no inflation with a high increase in wages.

[Anonymous No.24604747]

>>24600039
feels awesome?

[Anonymous No.24604822]

>>24604690
if you print too much there can be such a thing as the thing done not being enough to catch up, if the us has a monopoly and somehow it stops being the case, such things can blow the value fairly fast

[Anonymous No.24604908]

>>24604723
Value is derived from reality not from freezed prices. Eventually the freezed prices will not mirror the real value and the goods and the economy become lossmaking. Not to mention: money printers buy stuff without produce any counter value so they just drag down the economy as parasites.

[Anonymous No.24604948]

>>24604908
Yes yes i agree, what i say it just you can make it work for a good amount of time. Also back then the printed money didint go to banks and corporations but to the Wehrmacht/State.

[Anonymous No.24605017]

>>24604908
>>24604948
An good analogy are the Sergey dumps, he can do that since there is still trust in the worth and there are still buyers. Also its not too much compared to the marcet cap.
Also the official inflation numbers are faked and dont include the huge wealth inflation. So people still think its not that bad.

[Anonymous No.24605337]

>>24599518
She has a point

[Anonymous No.24606091]

>>24603098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4TTNeSUdQ
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[Anonymous No.24606221]

Only reason this would trigger you is if you're a braindead materialist. Maybe she shouldn't have tied to concept to inflation, but her point is spot on: fiat money is arbitrary. You guys know this is true but are too stupidly tied to your identity as "investors" on a Trinidadian Anal Board to admit it.

[Anonymous No.24606224]

https://www.tiktok.com/@paigelayle/video/6800788906259287301
>claims to have autism and 7 other mental illnesses including adhd, ocd, anxiety and depression
>claims her being social and not behaving autistic is just "masking"

[Anonymous No.24606231]

>>24603130
The easy response to him is that there was a diverse seashell-based economy in north america that did bretty gud for like 1000 years. Something else replaced it. Will "something else" replace the value of currencies in currency markets? Yes! Its called bitcoin. It replaces an accounting error for proof of actual work. That will function as the "rails" for the global financial system while fiat currencies will continue to work in their jurisdictions, as the manipulable, floating representation of energy used (increasing entropy). He's referring to the premium for energy that the reserve currency currently enjoys which has been eroded as the entire world's inflationary currencies come to the "end-of-life" status as the means by which energy is deployed.

tl;dr: The price of things will increase because each artifact of the economic system will compared against the financial return of using that energy for something else (processing a transaction). The "balance" will be restored, which looks to OP like a horror story, when in fact it merely imposes the true, market-based cost for the energy. Remember Energy = mass.

The only script-flip in this case is fusion or zero-nominal energy cost energy invented. In which case it will have to be gated from the economy because you would simply exhaust some other, new limited resource (water? land?) etc.

Remember the physical system. Visit /sci/ and recall that Energy equals Mass, (E=Mc&^2) Also, tend to your political structures as we transition to a universal, basic income. Heil Hitler, etc.

[Anonymous No.24606306]

>>24606091
If you need to post a jewtube link to support your argument then you don't have an argument.