/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.24454522]

guys can we discuss the upcoming financial crisis?
money velocity is at an ATL, same with labor participation rate across the globe
we are going to crash with no survivors
when and how do I profit off this?

[Anonymous No.24454543]

>>24454522
gold and silver unironically

[Anonymous No.24454561]

accelerate

[Anonymous No.24454633]

>>24454522
I'm preparing to profit off this by expanding my online sales efforts and getting my Facebook/Google ads pixels optimized. Lots of businesses are going to go out of business or already have, people aren't even allowed to buy 90% of the stuff they want in physical stores because of lockdowns/sales restrictions on non essential items, etc etc. The 2015-17 ecomm boom, and even the boom in March this year was nothing compared to what's coming, and amazon can't even grow much larger without being considered a monopoly, so smaller individual merchants should be benefitting heavily as long as their ducks are in a row first

[Anonymous No.24454683]

>>24454522
>when and how do I profit off this?

Buy bitcoin, global hyperinflation next year.

[Anonymous No.24454706]

>>24454522
Haha bitcoin go brrrrrrrrrrr

[Anonymous No.24455920]

have we been fucked since 2000, how is the money velocity consistently in a downtrend. Does this mean less money is participating in the economy or just trading?

[Anonymous No.24456088]

>>24455920
Basically the US economy has never recovered from the dot-com crash. It's being kept in a coma for 20 years by low interest rates and Fed's infinite QE.

[Anonymous No.24457464]

Don’t listen to the retards who say hyperinflation they are sub 90 iq retards.

The world will have chronic deflation and low growth for a period of years.

Low interest rates are the new normal so stay clear of any kind of bank deposits.

Government spending is guaranteed as it is the the path of least resistance out of this environment.

No easy way to profit, try and pick high growth stocks/crypto

[Anonymous No.24457562]

>>24454522
just buy bitcoin and gold. SOMETHING has to give

[Anonymous No.24457687]

>>24457464
This is the worst case scenario, as you would want to hold bonds in a deflationary environment, BUT, the fed’s trashing their yields so people can’t flock to those. Feels like they’re cornering us into losing money.

It feels more like stagflation than pure deflation as the central banks will keep the printing

[Anonymous No.24457785]

>>24457687
>>24457464
This

[Anonymous No.24457845]

>>24457464
what's your reasoning behind 'chronic deflation and low growth for a period of years'?

[Anonymous No.24457979]

>>24457687
>Feels like they’re cornering us into losing money.
you will own nothing and you will be happy
what are you so confused about?

[Anonymous No.24457989]

>>24457464
the real sub 90 iq retards are the ones who will say there is price deflation just because government inflation (((indicators))) say there is.

hyperinflation is already here for certain asset classes, whilst food prices (conveniently not included in the CPI because they are too 'volotile') are increasing by 8-10% per year in the developed world. but apparently there's delfation because your big screen tv will cost less next year

[Anonymous No.24458088]

>>24457687
This.
+nice iq threa OP

[Anonymous No.24458167]

>>24457464
Deflation destroys production supply faster then demand brainlet. You'll get increasing prices with no jobs, followed by rapid increase in prices with a shitty job.

You won't be able to tell where Deflation ends and Hyperinflation begins.

[Anonymous No.24458190]

>>24454522
Stay home stop the spread. Don’t worry about the impending economic crisis goy

[Anonymous No.24458250]

>>24456088
dotcom bubble? You mean since the stagflation of the late '70s was 'solved'

[Anonymous No.24458466]

>>24457687
banks are buying shitloads of bonds, bidding as low as .08% on 30 year treasuries because they think that rates are going to go to literally zero or possibly negative. regardless, they are buying them because they can sell them for a profit down the road. the fed cannot let interest rates rise under any circumstances and the primary dealers (banks) know that.

the banks have the fed by the balls, because they can profit off the rising price in treasuries and they can also restrict credit which threatens deflation and insolvency crisis (because debts can't be kept afloat with continued lending from banks)

[Anonymous No.24458730]

>>24457979
>being happy while owning nothing
You are a highly ironic being, however i share your prediction. We'll be made equal. Work and jobs will be fewer and fewer, money will be equally distributed.

[Anonymous No.24458762]

>>24458466
This. Banks put themselves knowingly in this risk and create pressure to act on the fed with that.

[Anonymous No.24458836]

>>24458466
The question is: what do we, ordinary folk, hold in such scenario ?

Cash (that would be king in a deflationary scenario) is trash bc we know central banks have no alternative other than print more currency into oblivion. So that’s a no in my book

Gold/bitcoin: would be sure bets if you only factor in the money print, but as we also enter in a deflationary environment they too would lower in price

Bonds as we’ve discussed will keep being suppressed by the central banks

Housing we’d be buying the top and if you factor in the deflationary pressure, they too would face the same dilema as gold/btc

Same for most stocks

I mean, wealth WILL flow somewhere and there will be winners and losers, but’s damn hard to spot where to allocate in this bonkers economics

[Anonymous No.24458983]

>>24458836
Prices aren't going down. They'll simply be bought up by a infinite money supply. Deflation for the poor, Inflation for the rich, just as they designed.

[Anonymous No.24459080]

>>24455920
Lesser money velocity can also be an effect of an increasing money supply

[Anonymous No.24459204]

>>24458983
That’s the recipe for revolution. Unless this time around folks are so emasculates that they won’t care about inequality no more. We’ll see

[Anonymous No.24459244]

>>24459204

There will never be a revolution, the masses have been completely demoralized. I wish things were different but its the truth.

[Anonymous No.24459296]

>>24458836
Tbh, i thought this through and through. It's really messing with my mind how one should invest in this upcoming era of low interest rates, extreme stock valuations, infinte qe and linited economical growth. I come to the same conclusion each time: Stick to things that can't be printed like the money you're given: Land, gold and btc. Stocks maybe turn out to be a null sum game, they'll rise with inflation and sink with currency defaults, however they might too at least hold value.

[Anonymous No.24459345]

>>24459244
how can you say people are demoralized when streets are still being swamped with BLM protests in the US alone? even EU has a lot of pent up anger that's being unleashed now in Berlin, Madrid and elsewhere

[Anonymous No.24459401]

>>24459345

Are you kidding, those are pawns of the global elite brainwashed to fight for their cause. The “good” people feel they are alone with their thoughts and beliefs and that’s by design.

[Anonymous No.24459426]

>>24459345
>people will fight racism to the death.
>people will fight billionaires to the death
>people will fight you if you say something bad about banks or governments

Fake revolution.

[Anonymous No.24459436]

>>24454633
Interesting take anon

[Anonymous No.24459567]

API3 is probably a good start.

[Anonymous No.24459574]

>>24459345
I think these protests are partly a valve for people, mostly young ones realizing they are fucked. Buy into ridiculously inflated boomer assets and getting into debts or never owning a house. People feel that the gap towards people who are richer and older and whose assets inflated grew larger. The problem is only that the average normie out there doesn't understand what kind of monetary politics this is causing. While we get taken away our rightful opportunity to buy into a consolidated market, we save our granddads retirement assets by accumulating huge amounts of debt we'll have to service. So we fight on the street for leftist rightwing proxy theatre distracting us from truth.

[Anonymous No.24459575]

>>24459244
checked, i would add demoralized with such precision that even your revolt will be nothing but a tool and an accelaration of agendas.

[Anonymous No.24459622]

What stocks would be reccesion proof?

[Anonymous No.24459648]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2012/09/19/demographics-to-blame-for-inescapable-deflation/?sh=1c6daed360ba

Old article but good

[Anonymous No.24459696]

>>24459648
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2012/09/19/demographics-to-blame-for-inescapable-deflation/?sh=1c6daed360ba

So kill the boomers? or how I learned to stop wearing the mask and love COVID

[Anonymous No.24459746]

https://mikesmoneytalks.ca/a-decade-of-volatility-demographics-debt-and-deflation-2/

[Anonymous No.24459764]

>>24459622
big retailers of items that are essential i.e. costco
producers of inelastic goods, things like cheap soap

[Anonymous No.24459804]

>>24459401
>>24459426
Doesn't matter whose manipulation it is though, does it? If you can get people to mobilize on the street for a fake cause to further divide people, can't you get them to riot in actual class warfare? When people won't be able to afford the amenities they're enjoying now, doesn't matter how complacent they were.

[Anonymous No.24459856]

>>24459648
That would mean that qe isn't working anymore from a certain point on and that deflation is coming. So you save up cash?

[Anonymous No.24459860]

Why so many anons think we are entering deflationary period? You wouldn't trust governmental inflation statistics would you?

[Anonymous No.24459877]

>>24458730
ya you'll be equal except trannies and blacks will be more equal to make up for historical injustice

[Anonymous No.24459901]

Can anyone link the video this was screencapped from?

[Anonymous No.24459930]

>>24454543
That’s over. Ppl are dumping it for crypto. Get on the train.

[Anonymous No.24459963]

>>24454522
Dude the stock market and the Real economy are two different planets. While people in the real economy are in despair we in /smg/ are watching our green lines.

[Anonymous No.24459973]

>>24459804
The problem with you faggots is you don't want actual solutions. You want to continue the bullshit financial pyramid scheme, but just get yourself a bigger slice of the pie. The Yellow Jackets actually burnt down their Federal Bank, meanwhile the idiots will think a multicultural board for the NASDAQ or Fed is "progress".

[Anonymous No.24459991]

>>24459296
Thanks, it’s depriving me of my sanity too. I know the feeling too well.
Problem with farm on that reality is that they’ll tax the shit out of it, gold might as well become illegal as bitcoin could. And in that scenario at least BTC is the hardest of the 3 to confiscate.
Doesn’t mean life won’t be hard tho. Being BTC rich and having an absolute shitty time to cash out and consume such wealth

[Anonymous No.24460085]

>>24459856
In theory yes but I'd be very skeptical as >>24458836 says

[Anonymous No.24460125]

>>24459991
Take the STEADPILL

[Anonymous No.24460284]

>>24458836
I’m pretty sure the free market is answering that question right before your. very eyes

[Anonymous No.24460315]

>>24459973
I don't get why you're pointing your finger at me. You're preaching to the choir

[Anonymous No.24460437]

>>24460284
GIVE ME A BETTER DIP TO BUY INTO GODDAMNNIT

[Anonymous No.24460468]

>>24460437
>dip
>during a parabolic rise
who’s gonna tell him?

[Anonymous No.24460606]

>>24460315
The closest we came was the Occupy Wallstreet and Tea Party protests. But those were influenced and shutdown real quick. You have nothing but Antifa, BLM, and maybe some reactionary MAGAtards our there today. Organic movements will be subverted by dipshits spastic race baiters and Bernie tier socialists.

[Anonymous No.24460607]

>>24460284

[Anonymous No.24460650]

>>24460607
Aim for the stars, we’re just getting stared

[Anonymous No.24460721]

>>24459860
They don't know what causes depression and how fast the fed will print money to prevent that

[Anonymous No.24460773]

>>24460607
>not using a max time scale log chart

[Anonymous No.24461019]

>>24460284
Should I wait for it to possibly drop again or bite the bullet now and see how everything pan's out?

[Anonymous No.24461105]

>>24461019
Just average it

[Anonymous No.24461621]

>>24459860

There are some youtubers who put out these talking points, and they have some followers who paste them all over /biz/ and reddit at every opportunity. They make an outsized amount of noise and don't really engage with anyone poking holes in their reasoning. It could just be simple attention seeking contrarianism, but frankly I suspect it's a narrative with... let's politely call it "official sponsorship", as a tool for discouraging retail investment in inflationary hedges.

Anyways, QE is the deputized bank printing of debt, which long term would indeed eventually run out of road and unwind itself into deflationary collapse, much like a rocket falling back to earth. However you'd have to be deliberately obtuse to imagine this would actually be allowed to happen. Debts will continue increasing, and when they cannot increase naturally they will be forgiven, and when there isn't enough debt to forgive money will just be handed out.

Government needs inflation to restore its solvency, and barring minor hiccups (measured in months) they will get it. The market knows this, and inflation hedges will not be going on sale anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.24461740]

Should I sell my gold for btc....

[Anonymous No.24461765]

>>24461019
You haven’t been DCAing into Bitcoin for the past 3 years??

[Anonymous No.24461783]

>>24459575
interesting chart, can you extrapolate on it, really curious if its worthless or not

[Anonymous No.24461843]

>>24454522
>upcoming financial crisis
why should it happen?

[Anonymous No.24462173]

>>24461740

Wait for the market to find a bottom after the fallout of tether imploding, and govt banning non-custodial wallets, and fedcoin cucking bitcoin.

Then buy monero. It will start eating the whole private crypto market cap as bitcoin's failure sinks in.

[Anonymous No.24462438]

>>24454522
why us labor partecipation vs money velocity = financial crisis? I don't get it

[Anonymous No.24462947]

>>24462173
I don’t think they’re banning Bitcoin, they wouldn’t even mind it going to $1,000,000 as long as it doesn’t threaten US hegemony. Monero is the “terror i s t” coin and will have more issues in the long run.

[Anonymous No.24463305]

>>24462173
lmao. this is your average XMR fag. living in a dream world. probably a regular /pmg/ poster, as well.

[Anonymous No.24464455]

>>24457464
The real retards are those who actually think sustained deflation can or will be allowed to happen

[Anonymous No.24464705]

>>24458250
TY nixon

[Anonymous No.24465064]

WE ARE GOING TO STAGFLATE INTO OBLIVION LIKE JAPAN DID IN THE 90S THERE IS NO HOPE AHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.24465403]

>>24458466
The banks own the fed. Simple as

[Anonymous No.24465430]

>>24460437
You had 3 years

[Anonymous No.24465443]

>>24465064
JAPAN HAS QT WAIFUS THO! I'M SO CONFLICTED

[Anonymous No.24465528]

>>24459973
what do you mean by using that image? seems like we should all long equities if this disconnect is only going to continue

[Anonymous No.24465629]

>>24459345
>BLM protests

They are looting stores and burning down places of business. This isn't some civil rights movement.

[Anonymous No.24465716]

>>24465528
The gold standard is the solution, the economy has been fake and doing nothing but serving the rich since 1971.
Wtfhappenedin1971.com

[Anonymous No.24465772]

>>24465716
Actually I should specify, not necessarily a gold standard but there needs to be a return to some sort of standardized money if we want to see a truly free market and not this corporate socialist hellscape we see today.

[Anonymous No.24465807]

>>24465716
>>24465772
ok so it's pretty obvious you have no clue what you're talking about at this point. have a good night friendo

[Anonymous No.24465809]

>>24454522
profit is exactly what's going away

better abandon the idea now before you get left in the dust

[Anonymous No.24466399]

>>24457464
copy pasta detected.

[Anonymous No.24467063]

>>24461105
>>24461765
DCApilled

[Anonymous No.24467339]

>>24461621
Sorry goldbug, not buying your bags

The deflationarychads aren’t selling anything, they are just providing an alternative explanation that you may either agree or disagree.

It’s the goldbugs you have to worry about selling you stuff, they tell you everything is wrong and the only solution is buying more gold, very convenient.