/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.23833094]

>finally get a welding apprenticeship after 3 years
>pay is $15/hr
i am done with this clown world. i seriously could have been working at fucking amazon making that same amount of money. that's 3 years of my life financially wasted for the reward of another 3 years of entry level pay. fuck you.

[Anonymous No.23833117]

Get your weld certifications and shop around for a job. Travel welders and pipe welders make a lot. Don't be afraid to move or travel for work.

[Anonymous No.23833127]

Lol, what are ypu complaining about. A trained monkey can do welding.
A lot of people right out of uni get 15$/hour as well.

At least you won't be replaced by robots anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.23833134]

>>23833094
You are fostering an actual skill that has true value though.
You could work independently where as amazon wagies can't, and are probably too low IQ to handle welding.
You are a chad. Good welders make good money.

[Anonymous No.23833148]

All old school union / trades (aka boomer jobs) make trash starting but if you suffer for 3-5 years you're making over six figures

[Anonymous No.23833151]

>>23833094
I'm guessing the welding apprenticeship will lead onto you being qualified and then getting paid more? Where as amazon isn$15 for the rest of your life.
Only thing clown about this world is fucking zoomers like you with no skills who don't want to work their way up the ladder or try hard and just want everything now and complain when they don't get it.
Fucking embarrassing

[Anonymous No.23833197]

Trades are a meme. Even after your apprenticeship is over, it's not like you'll suddenly jump to 6 figures. In the grand scheme of things you're looking at some 10 years of financial mediocrity. Better off just taking that mcdonalds job and saving every penny for 2 years, then dumping it into stocks. After that 10 years, you'll be set compared to just getting your feet on the ground like with your trade.

[Anonymous No.23833240]

>>23833094
15/h is starting, you moron, if after 5 years you are still making 15/h you better neck yourself, thats some low IQ and lack of skills

[Anonymous No.23833262]

>>23833094
Kids in Africa make that in a week.

[Anonymous No.23833279]

>>23833094
I wish we had spikes on our tongues,. pretty based genetic trait

[Anonymous No.23833898]

>>23833094
git gut at it nigga and you're gonna make 10 times more

[Anonymous No.23833985]

>>23833094
>First year apprenticeship
>Entire apprenticeship will take 4-5 years
>No where need being a journeyman
>Yeah, I don't know shit and literally have zero skill in my trade
>How come I'm not making $35-$50 an hour like this guy's with 10-20 years worth of experience?????
It's crazy how many zoomers, both in college/trades, think they can earn top dollar right out of the gate despite being useless with no knowledge or skill. Fucking delusional

[Anonymous No.23834007]

>>23833985
Somebody poopoo peepeed in your corn chips

[Anonymous No.23834008]

>>23833094
>wagecucking
ahahaah you asked for it nigger

[Anonymous No.23834018]

>>23833197
Doubt it

[Anonymous No.23834145]

>score autistically high on standardized exams
>but my gpa is terrible
>smarter than anyone in the room
>but my gpa is terrible
>work harder and longer than anyone in the room
>but my gpa is terrible and therefore I get passed over by HR all the time and can't get into officer academies, law school, grad school, med school etc.

It's a special kind of fucked where you immediately realize people are more retarded than you, but because they did one simple thing different they're in a better position to rocket to the moon than you while you spin your wheels and try to unfuck that thing. I would be better off without a degree because then I'd have a clean slate, this society is actual fucking cancer and credentialism is super gay.

Luckily I have a fat stack of money that keeps growing to keep me warm at night.

[Anonymous No.23834159]

>>23834145
Just because they know how to shuffle papers better. I know the feel op

[Anonymous No.23834192]

>>23833094
It was your fault for putting your faith in this linear logic.

>If I study 3 years it must have higher salary, since why would anyone ever study if that were not the case!

This is an example of a linear logic. You expected there to be a 'system'. No, there is no system. Things just happen in the world and you must observe them.

[Anonymous No.23834313]

>>23834145
Yikes, reeks of cope

[Anonymous No.23834347]

>>23833094
MIG or TIG?

[Anonymous No.23834364]

>>23833094
I mow lawns and I make $50-100 a hour.

[Anonymous No.23834371]

>>23834364
You dont.

https://www.salary.com/research/salary/listing/lawn-mowing-hourly-wages

You would be 6 standard deviations away from the average.

[Anonymous No.23834376]

>>23834313
>mention that I am big brained
>someone insecure gets offended

Each time.

[Anonymous No.23834397]

>>23833127
>He doesn't know

[Anonymous No.23834407]

>>23834145
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[Anonymous No.23834419]

>>23833094
Supply and demand. For the past 5 years, businesses have been begging for welders. Seeing this, many natives thought it was an opportunity to learn a decent skill and get decent pay. However, the businesses all cried to the government that they need the welders now and the government lets in thousands of immigrant welders. Now, just as the natives are graduating from their welding courses, the market is now flooded with cheap 3rd-world welders and no demand for expensive native welders that have spent years and money to learn a now useless skill. Don't you just love globalization?

[Anonymous No.23834430]

>>23834371
I own my own business silly. You can mow a $50 lawn in 30 minutes. It's funny how you instantly bring up the stats for employees, if you want to make decent money in trades you gotta be self-employed.

[Anonymous No.23834450]

>>23834407
>mention being glad I have money
>poors seethe

All the time.

[Anonymous No.23834470]

>>23834313
This

[Anonymous No.23834759]

>>23834430
so you dont mown laws, you are an entrepreneur. funny how 1-3 comments is usually enough to expose the fraud, just as in this case

also I still dont believe you, but that is irrelevant in either case

>>23834376
yikes, fishing for internet points. cope.

[Anonymous No.23834809]

>>23834759
What are you in this thread for? Blogging?

[Anonymous No.23834866]

>>23834809
who are you ? i believe i was talking to two other ids. please do not respond to this rhetorial question, it will be ignored

[Anonymous No.23834879]

>>23834866
You did respond to me though.
Yikes and cope?
It's time to go back

[Anonymous No.23834945]

>>23834879
as i said, please do not provide any responses as they will be ignored. just leave in silence

[Anonymous No.23834967]

>>23834759
How is owning a lawn mowing business and mowing lawns different?

I do all the work, the only difference is I maintain my own equipment and have to advertise my business as well.

[Anonymous No.23835071]

>>23834967
why is the lawn mowing entrepreneur asking me about his own business ?

can you stop lying on /biz/ please. it never goes through anyway.

[Anonymous No.23835117]

>>23834967
he is gay and this thread is full of gay cucks who want to perform backbreaking labor for pennies from the bossman. mercenary lawnmowing is honorable compared to a willing slave

[Anonymous No.23835158]

>>23833094
mate I make less than 10$ per day, am 27 and have a degree
fuck inflation

[Anonymous No.23835172]

>>23835071
>Noo, you can't be making 50$ by just mowing a lawn!!!
>How is cutting grass paying more than my certified coffe-serving job in *bucks?
>Stop replying to my posts, they will be ignored!!
>I asked you already, please stop!! Why won't you stop??

[Anonymous No.23835198]

>>23834967
How do you advertise your business, anon?
Facebook? Word of mouth? Flyers?

[Anonymous No.23835233]

>>23833094
i've heard underwater welding pays a lot

[Anonymous No.23835435]

>>23833094
/biz has told everone repeatedly: never be a wageslave, you will never be rewarded or respected
anon: but, but, but if i do this silly little qualification that gets me a pat on the head and a piece of paper

the whole tradie meme is suposed to be the stepping stone into starting your own tradiebusiness where you as the owner/worker directly offer your skills to the final costumer, no middleman boss
in order to get to this point you will have to build some exp first so suck it up op, at least as a welder you have a shot of going independent, other options never in their entire lives can go your route

>>23834967
would be interested in how you handle advertising your business and how full your orderbook is: how many paid hours of work per week do you average
also ignore the idiot who cannot comprehend that some people are not wagies

[Anonymous No.23835571]

>>23835435
>would be interested in how you handle advertising your business and how full your orderbook is: how many paid hours of work per week do you average
>also ignore the idiot who cannot comprehend that some people are not wagies
This, do you have to carry a weapon so that the bogs don't try to take off with your lawnmower?

[Anonymous No.23835614]

>>23835435
>>23835198

You basically nailed it.

I have a well designed postcard I like to hand out a few hundred every week or so.

Also boomers will walk up to you if you are mowing on a weekend or late in the afternoon and as you to mow their lawn. Google business reviews are probably the most important thing for a online presence.

Most 30-40 somethings just go on google and look up 'lawn mowing my city' and if your business has the most 5 star reviews you will get the lions share of the calls from people online.

Actually servicing the jobs isn't hard, building up a run of jobs from scratch requires real marketing effort.

I like my business because even though my customers are my little bosses the risk is way lower then being a wage slave.

Imagine I lose 1 customer due to a mistake or something, I still have 49 more and can easily hand out 200 post cards in a hour to land another job to replace that lost customer. But if you are a wage slave your boss is your only income, if you make one mistake he might lay you off or block you from promotion.

My goal with my business was to be able to make a good salary in as little time as possible, I can make $500 a day on 10 reasonably sized $50 lawns and do that for 3-4 six hour days a week to pay my rent, buy my food and put some aside for crypto investing. Also I live by the coast so after I am done with the work day I like to go to the beach and relax.

I have a good balance where I am doing all the work myself, not paying a middle man a dime and I have plenty of free time to trade shitcoins, watch anime, go to the gym e.c.t

[Anonymous No.23835624]

>>23833985
he's right though. $15/hour is shit. probably comes to $10/hr after taxes and gas/driving time. i made almost as much working in an ice cream shop.

[Anonymous No.23835651]

>>23834145
do you have work experience? once you get that nobody cares about gpa anymore.

[Anonymous No.23835676]

>>23834419
people have to realize it's only going to get harder and harder for people whose goal is to become an employee. rich people literally hate you and want you to be as poor as possible.

[Anonymous No.23835727]

If this chad autist can start a business anyone can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLXAr8E9Z0&ab_channel=WondersoftheWorld

Get yourself a ute, design some pretty postcards, get some equipment, get some experience with using said equipment and get yourself some jobs.

I used to be really scared of talking to customers but you get over it. Just listen to gay anime music in your rig and go start your business.

I remember when I got out of highschool a few years ago and applyed for a job at mcdonalds and got rejected. I was depressed thinking 'I can't even get a job at mcdonalds, I must be worthless'.
However now I know I can always make 5x the pay a mcdonalds wage slave makes in a hour. It feels good.

[Anonymous No.23835749]

>>23834759
my parents live in a neighborhood with mostly old people. i made bank doing whatever jobs those old loaded boomers dreamed up. One week i got paid $1000 to help some woman move her stuff out of her house so she could turn in into a rental. it doesn't surprise me at all that someone could make $50 an hour mowing lawns. my minimum was $15/hr with no taxes, for 100% unskilled labor.

[Anonymous No.23835783]

>>23835614

how was your market not already saturated with landscapers? every suburb has hundreds of them driving around every day where i'm from. you'd think every single house is already spoken for with landscapers that they already like, or they just do it themselves.

[Anonymous No.23835817]

>>23833898
If by git gud you mean become an underwater marine welder.

[Anonymous No.23835830]

>>23833134
>too low IQ to handle welding
How is this possible? You literally hold a flame or stick on a piece of metal.

[Anonymous No.23835833]

>>23835614
thanks for answering
so the google reviews these are real and organic or do you buy good reviews from reasonable location to goose the system?
and a customer might be a little boss at least you negotiated directly and get compensate for every effort you make, far better deal then any wagie
you seem to really got a good deal going, congrats anon

also in minecraft of course, landscaping seems like the perfect setup to do part of your work under the table in cash and further increase your gains

[Anonymous No.23835855]

>>23835783
Alot of these landscapers have high attrition rates. For example they will massively underquote for their work and after a few months they will burnout and quit.

For example one of my first customers said she had hired 2 previously landscapers and they both ended up bailing on her. If you charge high enough where it is worth your time and then actually show up and communicate with the customer you can succeed. Also many of those people you see driving around are probably not running their own business but rather just working for somebody else.

Also in the west with age demographics going the way they are lots of old boomers need their lawns done and even young family need it done since their kids are so lazy they can't even mow a lawn since they are to busy being zoomers.

[Anonymous No.23835860]

>>23835783
Landscapers are expensive, they cost easily 40-60 bucks per hour.

[Anonymous No.23835884]

>>23835435
thats not the only route. You do the commercial trades, then you go work for a building management company as like facility maintenance assistant director. Then all the scams you learned about while contracting, you try to protect the building from them. Or after seeing so many projects play out on ground level you can work in project management.

[Anonymous No.23836958]

>>23834347
If he was doing TIG he'd be making 20 bucks or more since that actually requires some skill to produce good welds and is used in many specific applications where stick and mig are mediocre in comparison.

[Anonymous No.23837032]

>>23834145
>one simple thing
Sorry bro but getting A’s is not simple. If it was you would’ve done it, because just like what happened to your gpa , you only go the simplest rout

[Anonymous No.23837121]

>>23834145
>got bad gpa
>LOL SORRY MOM I CANT WORK BECAUSE THE RECRUITER IS FUCKED
have some personal responsibility anon

[Anonymous No.23837122]

>>23833094
>he fell for the trades meme
majority of people on here that talk about making $100k/year in trades are LARPing or work in a union in a big city. if you want to see realistic salaries for trades go to the buruea of labor statistics, and realize that those are mid-career wages. majority of welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. make like $20-25/hour unless they work in a union near a big city or are in some other exceptional field of work e.g. pipefitter at a petrochemical plant in the south, welder on pipeline construction, etc.

[Anonymous No.23837139]

>>23833094
You realize journeymen welders make like $40-50/hr, right?

[Anonymous No.23837733]

>>23835830
You have no idea what you're talking about man. I used to work in the petrochemical industry and high skilled welders can easily earn 50€ an hour. We used to have a site in Tunisia where people had to stay for 3 months but brought home 20-30k€ after taxes depending on their skills.

[Anonymous No.23838405]

>>23833094
Welding is a good skill though. $15/hr is robbery but if you can continue to increase your skills, you can eventually start your own welding business and offer your services at $80-$100/hr.