/biz/, was he even that bad?

[Anonymous No.23795449]

As a Bong I'm surrounded by people who despise him but from my basic knowledge of his term, it seems he generally did a fair amount of good

I liked his lack of new foreign conflict and the peace agreements being reached in the middle east, which 50 years of neocon interventionism couldn't fix

The US economy seemed pretty robust, poverty, unemployment, labour force participation, wage growth, stock market growth, all looked very positive

He actually got major criminal justice reform done, what the liberals have been reeeing about for years

He killed the Patriot Act

Reduced illegal immigration

Put the brakes on China somewhat

Kept the US leading CO2 reduction despite leaving the superficial Paris agreement

His pandemic response was no worse than any of the countries of Europe seeing similar spikes and death numbers

What did he do that was actually so terrible? And what is Joe Biden going to improve on exactly?

[Anonymous No.23795470]

No. There's a reason why the only things they could hurl at him were "racist", "asshole", "sexist" etc. And there's a reason why the globe's elites united against him. He dared work for the common working man.

[Anonymous No.23795476]

>>23795449
he won the vote by a land slide
biden is in bondage and is a total muppet that will be killed in months

[Anonymous No.23795481]

He hasn’t lost, he will serve a second term once the SCOTUS has ruled on the Democrat voter fraud.

[Anonymous No.23795514]

>>23795449
He’s the most centrist candidate we’ve seen in 30+ years and if they didn’t start a color revolution to name him enemy of the state, both parties would be out of jobs as he exposes how little reaching across the aisle either actually does

[Anonymous No.23795535]

>>23795449
he won by A LOT, see you in court fucking libtards

[Anonymous No.23795552]

trump is a panderer. He prints more than ever before, he is a pragmatic liberal on tons of concepts like military spending or growing government in general, and hes offensive to humanity if he did rape that 13 year old who claims he did or if he had any part in locking up kids on the border, or even for grabbing women when they dont want or expect it.
That said hes the best president we ever had. Even in the heart of liberalamerica where i a libertarian live everyone loves him except a few ultra pink hair white people or misplaced hes a racist black people, or maybe he is a racist i just dont see it.

[Anonymous No.23795578]

>>23795514
This.

[Anonymous No.23795618]

>>23795449
You are correct bong OP.
The press just conducted a 24-7 psy op disinformation campaign against him. A lot of people could see through it but most sub 100 IQ men and most women were taught to believe “orange man bad”.

[Anonymous No.23795663]

By recent standards he was the best president we could’ve hoped for. The fact that there were so many people dumb enough to be brainwashed into thinking he was literally orange cheeto dust hitler means that we don’t deserve him, we deserve more bombs in the Middle East, higher taxes and regulations, and an ever shrinking economy and less and less human rights, where eventually the constitution will be worth its weight in toilet paper

[Anonymous No.23795667]

>>23795449
Cognitive Dissonance.
I hope you’re not young because your logic and intellect are really really going to be challenged over the next decade.

[Anonymous No.23795675]

>>23795552
>libertarian

[Anonymous No.23795751]

>>23795675
Unclear if low iq because you think you know who i voted for or if low iq because you actually think libertarian isnt the only legitimate party ideologically

[Anonymous No.23795836]

>>23795449
So much cope in this thread

1. Greatest transfer of wealth from future generations to the top .01%. Look at how much debt he created because he wanted lower taxes on billionaires.

2. Made populism cool. How many people can define gross domestic product, yet he listens to those people and let’s them decide complex policies like tarrifs.

3. Before to become a judge you had to have the respect of your peers. He changed that so that political sycophants could get elected. I think Trump had a good heart but this change will allow the worst politicians significant power going forward.

[Anonymous No.23795851]

>>23795836
Still upset because it was Her Turn?

[Anonymous No.23795860]

>>23795449
People who saw through the media brainwashing know he was a good president. People will realise in time he was the only thing standing in the way of the complete decay of the economy and the western way of life. Even most liberals except the most frothing at the mouth never trumpers will realize it has a huge mistake voting him out for the future of the western world. Yes he was crass but he was a necessary antidote to balance out the increasingly neo Marxist lunacy spreading through the west from a cultral perspective and to combat the globalist establishment.

[Anonymous No.23795868]

>>23795851

[Anonymous No.23795869]

>>23795449
i'm definitely going to miss him

[Anonymous No.23795908]

>>23795869
enter
>biden won
shills
>t. ChinA

[Anonymous No.23795926]

>>23795751
Anon, you're embarassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.23796038]

>>23795926
Heres something the liberals are right about other than weed is republicans like you two idiots think they know anything about me because i said "qanon" or "libertarian" when i dont follow any group i am a free thinker whommy values fall within those categories such that its traditionally how people would describe it not that i fall in line with a candidate, such as im pro life. And oh look who had to make that point in the debate. Biden. Over and over, hey this isnt democrats in general this is Biden running. He was right about that. So if you two dont mind fucking off or revealing more information about yourselves so i can actually tell you where youre wrong

[Anonymous No.23796046]

>>23795449
he was much better as a president than I thought he was going to be. Too bad no one IRL cares about results and policies but rather public perception and media coverage.

[Anonymous No.23796100]

>>23796038
You sound like an idiot. Is English your first language?

[Anonymous No.23796107]

>>23795836
>1. Greatest transfer of wealth from future generations to the top .01%. Look at how much debt he created because he wanted lower taxes on billionaires.

This would have happened even if Hillary won

[Anonymous No.23796116]

>>23795449
Yeah he was definitely good. A lot of his policies helped keep constitutional right up and he did pass laws that created more jobs and income. But he could have been amazing if the liberals on both sides of the political spectrum didn't slow the government down and bock his work. In truth he was pretty based. Its too bad Joe Biden is gonna remove that shit and start censoring people.

[Anonymous No.23796119]

>>23795449
He wasn't perfect but he did a lot of good for real. The few things he did that he's accused of being evil for are either objectively good things, or things obongo did but they praised obongo for it or pretend obongo never did those things.
I don't agree with his hardline abortion stance but it didn't take much hold during his time anyway. Removing net neutrality was evil. Cucking to niggers was evil, too. But all in all, he was the greatest president in about 100 years.

[Anonymous No.23796133]

>>23796100
you sound like a low iq faggot. Where did the eurocucks go now its all hardline republican and liberals with instant ad hominem to put you on the back foot because they dont stand on actual values they just flippantly grasp on to sucking a powerful mans cock in your case trumps. Fuck off jewjeet

[Anonymous No.23796139]

>>23796107

It didn't actually happen. The biggest story that didn't receive any press was the lower 50% of Americans actually building wealth these past few years compared to the rest.

[Anonymous No.23796159]

>>23796119

>removing net neutrality was evil

You bought into that absolute forcefed FANG-led farce hysteria, anon? All it did was rollback a big needless regulation. Internet speeds have gotten faster and cheaper since then. You know not all regulations are good right

[Anonymous No.23796221]

>>23795449
One of the best presidents in decades honestly.

[Anonymous No.23796227]

>>23796159
>All it did was rollback a big needless regulation
Yeah, needless like not censoring traffic you don't like at the ISP level. If something is not optimal you fix it instead of removing it. That simple.

[Anonymous No.23796264]

>>23796133
Nothing you type makes any sense. It's nonsensical.

[Anonymous No.23796267]

He was the most anti war president in history and the first in thirty years to believe that America should come first with it's own policy.

He fucked up by appointing too many retard swamp creatures to his cabinet. Jeff fucking sessions caused Trump to waste his first two years in office with the Russian collusion hoax. He also didn't pursue Comey's multiple felonies.

He also alienated libertarians, which actually cost him the election.

He also came off as too whiney and defensive, which was the opposite of how confidently and aggressive he ran his campaign. He didn't do a good job explaining why the Coronahoax was being used as a political tool. Pretending it didn't exist was the wrong answer though.

Still better than Biden, but he could have easily ran the board again

[Anonymous No.23796285]

>>23796264
Ok let me try this ching chong bing bong boom boom bing bong bong bing

[Anonymous No.23796295]

>>23795449
I wouldnt have minded 4 more years of Trump. Its his fucking rabid fanbase I cant stand.

[Anonymous No.23796314]

It's not over, dipshit. He's going to win.

[Anonymous No.23796322]

>>23796227

>a solution that never had that problem in the first place, and then had the added effect of tying the hands of smaller ISPs who wouldn't meet the new thresholds to operate

Internet isn't water, they were trying to regulate it like water. Anon, let me reiterate, how bad has internet been in the past 2 years since then? For me it's gotten faster, and cheaper, and I'm in the irrelevant midwest. Stop carrying water for FANG, as I said, they simply didn't want to have to hire the legal teams to deal with ISPs directly and were happy to have the government slap a massive regulation on them, ulterior consequences be damned.

The US has had big speed gains according to speedtest since 2017.

[Anonymous No.23796332]

>>23796295
They can get annoying, but I'd take them over the people talking about putting Trump supporters on lists any day.

[Anonymous No.23796728]

He was bad for (((them))) (even tho people here will say he directly gave money to Israel, but besides that) the media hates him so much because he wasn't one of (((their))) puppets, like Biden or Clinton or Obama. Same reason the Dems stole the nomination from Bernie twice

[Anonymous No.23796749]

>>23795449
He was the only "outsider" we've had in my lifetime. He fought tooth and nail against the deep state.

Don will be missed

[Anonymous No.23796792]

>>23796749
>will be missed
>imply biden won already as much as possible
>t. ChinA

[Anonymous No.23796836]

>>23795449
He is a hero and a true son of the Republic, maligned and scorned by despotic fools who hate everything good and decent in this world

[Anonymous No.23796967]

>>23796322
You missed the point entirely and it's funny this is the second time I've heard this line of thinking where you are the ones claiming others were misled somehow. Coping mechanisms in high gear. The point of this wasn't speed. The point was being able to control the internet. Neutrality is inherently good for internet, the issue is the principle behind it, and the slippery slope implications. Think about it from a first principles standpoint and then design the internet from there. You can rationalize it, but you can't justify it.

[Anonymous No.23796989]

>>23795470
>He dared work for the common working man.

By cutting taxes for the rich, driving up the debt, and embracing corporate welfare.

Truly a man of the people.

[Anonymous No.23797016]

>>23796989

>the rich
>paying income taxes

Anon you think Bill Gates puts his shoes on to go to work every morning and fills out a W2, or do you think he enjoys an incredible amount of passive capital gains from his mammoth stock portfolio that constitutes his wealth?

All that aside, you can look at the tax brackets yourself, middle class earners were saving $1-2k per year, that's non-trivial for people on tight budgets. The media screeched against it, why is that?

[Anonymous No.23797077]

>>23795552
LOLBERTARIAN HAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.23797097]

>>23795836
>. Greatest transfer of wealth from future generations to the top .01%. Look at how much debt he created because he wanted lower taxes on billionaires.
That was 2008. Everyone had their tax lowered by trump, not just the rich.

>
2. Made populism cool. How many people can define gross domestic product, yet he listens to those people and let’s them decide complex policies like tarrifs.
Yeah who cares about declining wages, the gdp line goes up therefore everything is better.

[Anonymous No.23797116]

>>23796989
If you think that the rich paid taxes under obama then you're already brainwashed.

[Anonymous No.23797193]

>>23797016
>>23797116
>falling for this /pol/tard tier bait

[Anonymous No.23797231]

>>23796264
And yet you can't make a fucking argument that is not "lol you're part of this social group", you spastic.

[Anonymous No.23797237]

>>23797077
the opposite of libertarian is fascist so I'll assume that is you. I dont believe in all your Minority Report like regulations. You want to throw someone in jail for doing higher risk activities that are only criminal due to the nature of the risk not because it hurt someone, see DUI law. Pass on your bullshit emotional party hardlining

[Anonymous No.23797245]

>>23796989
The rich never pay taxes. Reduce taxes for the rich below what they pay offshore and suddenly they're paying taxes, however. It's an equilibrium, but the higher the taxes you impose on them, the less they end up actually paying because the more it's worth passing their taxes through some offshore (even possibly illegal in extreme cases) venture.
Meanwhile, the middle class can never escape taxation. While rich people who make 1m+ per year can pay less in taxes on donations alone, if you make less than 1m this isn't an option for you (at 500k donation and tax write-off rate are about equal, at 1m+ donation can knock off 25%+ off your taxes in excess of the donation amount you 'lose').
It's also going to be more expensive for you to pass your taxes offshore if you're middle class, and most options are not possible (there are floors for investment amounts, similar to how the good (arguable!) hedge funds are 3.5m+ starting).
So in the end, what happens to the taxes of the rich is meaningless overall. On the other hand, the middle class taxes are the most meaningful as it directly influences the wellbeing of the productive class. Under obongo, both the poor and the middle class got crushed by taxes. Under trump, the poor got a massive relief from no obongocare, and the middleclass got a meaningful relief through reduced taxation.

[Anonymous No.23797264]

also fascists dont believe in property rights or think possession is a crime

[Anonymous No.23797271]

>>23795449
No. He was based. He was too rough in speech though and that made alot of stupid fucking, whiny, little faggot crybabies mad. Now they'll have a geriatric loser and a woman deciding the fate of America. Can't wait. Women are such great leaders lol, just look at Germany.

[Anonymous No.23797279]

>>23795449
he could have stopped the old foreign conflicts from continuing, but no new ones is an improvement at least. yeah it shows how stupid most americans are when "no new wars" is so low on their list of priorities.

[Anonymous No.23797300]

>>23797279
*i guess i should say most people, not most americans

[Anonymous No.23797322]

>>23797077
i also believe in privatization. You republicans love your communism where convenient. Social security, k through 12, non privitized protection force known as police

[Anonymous No.23797345]

>>23797237
Man you're talking to a shiller, everything he wants is shaming you without any argument.

[Anonymous No.23797346]

He was an actual retard who spoke and acted like an actual retard and that caused a bunch of other retards and hardcore tribalists to project some ridiculous identity of someone who was a "straight talker" because everything he says is at an elementary schoolers vocabulary level.

[Anonymous No.23797375]

>>23795449
>was he even that bad?
worse he was a softie and a pussy. dick cheney will show you how to run this show.

[Anonymous No.23797394]

>>23797345
when all i try to speak is truths and i have no agenda i dont mind informing even shill or counterparty. It doesnt hurt me to speak truths over and over again maybe someday it actually catches on

[Anonymous No.23797427]

>>23796836
he's a cuck

[Anonymous No.23797457]

>>23795449
He was a complete piece of shit. Three our allies under the bus to cozie up with evil tyrants like Kim jong un and putin. Because he was a tyrant himself. He even worked out of his hotel mar a lago instead of the whitehouse. Plus he was a bigot

[Anonymous No.23797458]

>>23797375
>dick cheney will show you how to run this show.
Based. Back to bombing Middle East hospitals in no time.

[Anonymous No.23797636]

As a fellow bong the annoying thing is when trying to debate with the room temps about trumps policies is I can’t find a single thing about what he’s done. All searches just show ‘Orange man bad’ propaganda articles.

[Anonymous No.23797643]

>>23795449
The term "lack of wars" has come up a lot recently in threads supporting trump. The man ordered the assassination of Soleimani and started a trade war with China
>major criminal justice reform
post it
>>23795470
retard
>>23795481
retard
>>23795514
retard
>>23795535
retard
>>23795618
fucking retard
>>23795851
People say Dems have no points and when they say shit you come back with these retarded "u mad?" posts
>>23795860
retard
>>23796836
retard
>>23797271
>stupid fucking, whiny, little faggot crybabies
you mean like your retarded Fuhrer on twitter right now?
>>23797346
thank god someone with some sense

[Anonymous No.23797695]

>>23797458
nah that's not the point back to push russian and chink shit right in.

[Anonymous No.23797707]

>>23797643
That's a hell of a lot of cope, yikes tranny!

[Anonymous No.23797712]

>>23797643
The term trade war is misleading because its not war. Liberal sensationalist manipulators use hyperbolic words such as yelling when you raise your voice an octave, or psychopath if you disagree with them, or here calling something war that isnt

[Anonymous No.23797718]

>>23797707
retard

[Anonymous No.23797737]

>>23797712
>ignoring the shit about Soleimani
YOU ARE ALL RETARDED

[Anonymous No.23797750]

>>23797737
ok thats valid. I didnt say i ignored it

[Anonymous No.23797752]

>>23796749

[Anonymous No.23797767]

>>23797193
>boogeyman /pol/
Hello r3ddit tourist

[Anonymous No.23797778]

>>23797643

[Anonymous No.23797779]

>>23797264
Bull shit . A fascist is not a communist/ Marxist you stupid ignorant Obama zoomer

[Anonymous No.23797794]

>>23795481
>>23795535

[Anonymous No.23797806]

>>23797457
sloppy job shareblue

[Anonymous No.23797827]

>>23797695
You stupid leftist niggers trying to force narratives on /biz/ are pathetic. Trump has as much power as he ever did. If not more now than ever

[Anonymous No.23797846]

>>23797779
property rights are an individuals rights. Communism deals with controlling industry implying more than simple regulation to stop them from hurting people or the environment. Fascism deals with controlling the individual implying more than just to stop them from hurting others or the environment. They really are almost the same type of evil to a libertarian although i strongly dislike the fascism viscerally and i see right through it as a power grab whereas i just believe communism will fail and i see right through it as money grab

[Anonymous No.23797848]

>>23797643
So many liberals will commit suicide when he unleashes the FISA report

[Anonymous No.23797849]

>>23795449
He wasn't that bad, it's true.
Although the end to the constant media screeching will be welcome. Not having to see late night host #12341 do GRUMPF act #1531235161 will be a nice change.
It feels dirty that I was able to be extorted like this.

[Anonymous No.23797868]

>>23797643
>That post wall
>calling everyone a retard and not arguing properly
YOU are the retard here.

[Anonymous No.23797869]

>>23795449
Great for the economy, immediately took out ISIS in first year, castrated North Korea, and took a strong stance against China. What killed him was covid. Had the bowed down to Fauci, he would have won.

[Anonymous No.23797880]

>>23797849
>Although the end to the constant media screeching will be welcome. Not having to see late night host #12341 do GRUMPF act #1531235161 will be a nice change.
I feel like this is main reason for many people that voted against him. Not that he was bad, they just wanted this clown show to stop and he was the center of it.

[Anonymous No.23797889]

>>23797846
Fascism is the only opportunity to reset. We are fucked demographically. Niggers keep popping out babies that become gang bangers /George Floyd niggers. Trump’s purpose was to wake people up. And his purpose is still in play. They have everything. Biden and friends are absolutely fucked.
>pic related
Plus the current Biden is an actor, acting out Trump’s grand master plan

[Anonymous No.23797906]

>>23797889
i believe youre simply talking about monarchy is our only chance to reset which i would agree with. As i said regulation ABOVE hurting humanity or environment is unacceptable. That isnt to say you cant deal with child abusers as they hurt humanity or jew river dumpers as they hurt the environment

[Anonymous No.23797907]

>>23797868
>argue properly
>vs these retards
>>23797868
>>23797848
>>23797827
>>23797806
>>23797778
>>23797707
The only reasonable person here has been >>23797750 and the rest of you are completely retarded, especially you for telling me to argue. I tell you guys to argue. start arguing points. Until then you are a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.23797913]

If you watch CNN: yes
If you don't: not really
He is really dumb and tiresome, but Zion Don literally triggers liberals so it's amusing.

[Anonymous No.23797928]

unironically the best us president in decades.

[Anonymous No.23797964]

>>23797737
Ye killing one guy is totally not better than bombing an entire country

[Anonymous No.23797983]

>>23795449
Yes, there's a lot of rhetoric against him backed with little substance, but that's little different to many of the things that Trump says himself. His worst enemy is obviously himself. If the guy showed even the slightest amount of humility before the election, he would have won by a landslide. People love character development, but Trump really is the caricature.

>I liked his lack of new foreign conflict and the peace agreements being reached in the middle east, which 50 years of neocon interventionism couldn't fix
This is ultimately happening with or without him. We are no longer dependent on foreign oil. But yes credit where credit is due. But remember, this is at the expense of other peoples - who will suffer greatly under the shifting dynamics without US protections. Double edged sword.

>The US economy seemed pretty robust, poverty, unemployment, labour force participation, wage growth, stock market growth, all looked very positive

If you look at the charts, this too was getting better with or without him. The president only has so much power, the economy is largely influenced by all of the other factors. Due to the JTCA the biggest winners were large corporations and big stock buybacks. This led to a bloated economy, which is good for 401k's which makes the boomers happy. However it is not sustainable as valuations and numbers no longer matter. Before Covid, the stock market was arguably very bloated and due for a correction anyways.

>Put the brakes on China somewhat
Again, his foreign policy is good for Americans. The Chinese however will see a massive population correction in the North.

Biden won't be much different contrary to what people believe because no fundamental changes will happen. The wealthy will pay a bit more in taxes, but the ultra-rich won't pay any taxes. Social equalities happen over time regardless of presidents. Foreign engagement will continue to decline.

[Anonymous No.23797987]

>>23797880
I think that's a major factor.
But keep in mind there were lunatics who were totally into this nonsense. How people could be entertained by 4 years of the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again is beyond me.
It's so tiresome. The death of traditional media can't happen quickly enough for me.

[Anonymous No.23797999]

No. Major media and the leftist social media platforms brainwashed our country. He wasn't a shining example of the positives of humanity, but who of us are? Unfortunately the average american now has the attention span of a fifth grader on crack and were heavily influenced by repetition of factless recirculated Facebook posts, twitter posts, and other viral media propoganda and most here champion beliefs that are not their own, nor are the result of critical thought and research. Why major media followed that trend without upholding some kind of ethos is a shameful mystery. We had one major media outlet (fox) that was pro trump, and could never just stick to the facts. Meanwhile we had several that were not pro anyone, just anti trump (cnn, cnbc, etc. Etc. ) And could also not stick to just the facts. Media poisoned this well, driving a division of the people and polarizing them to levels where they were so busy being pissed at each other that they'd rather beat each other down in the street than have an educated political conversation and form their own values. Evident by the overwhelming amount of anti-trumpers you've seen on here that don't champion biden as the reason for their bid, just that trump was the devil and had to go... But have little to no reasons to give when pressed.