Is upstate NY about to be fucked by taxes because of NYC?

[Anonymous No.23199342]

[Anonymous No.23199478]

>>23199342
we're all fucked, downstate and upstate.

[Anonymous No.23199513]

>>23199342
we're all fucked, the entire northeast.

[Anonymous No.23199666]

>>23199342
>NYC is a shithole
>Buffalo is a shithole
>Rochester is full of kikes

What are Albany and Syracuse like?

[Anonymous No.23199978]

>>23199666
Both Albany and Syracuse are in the top 10 most dangerous cities in the state. New York is a shit state with third world tier cities. In my opinion the best part of the state is the Hudson Valley as long as you live in a white town outside of the cities.

[Anonymous No.23200818]

>>23199978
>>23199666
>>23199513
/thread.
albany looks like telletubby nature.
or haunted farmhouse.

northeast is completely fucked.

only small pockets of "nature" left.
it's doomed.
they are blind.

[Anonymous No.23200939]

>>23199978
I live in the valley it also sucks

Poughkeepsie blows. Small towns are white but the schools suck and filled with meth rednecks. Mexicans buying all the cheap stuff. Houses are mostly overpriced and anything affordable is in a high tax district with too many non whites

Gun laws are shit
Hate this fucking state

[Anonymous No.23201392]

From Long Island but went to college in Utica....whole state is fucked, moved years ago which sucks because my roots ran deep AF there.

[Anonymous No.23201742]

My family is from zone 7 aka north country. It's sad how bad it is up there, I couldn't stay.

[Anonymous No.23201831]

>>23199666
New York City is amazing. Syracuse is the worst shithole I've ever been. I'd rather kill myself than ever live there.

[Anonymous No.23203063]

>>23199666
Rochester fag reporting in. Waiting for the day I make it so I can move out of upstate forever. I have friends in both buffalo and Syracuse.
Syracuse is a shit hole. Feels like the ghetto everywhere even in the city. The air and the energy of the entire city is just a feeling of lazy and ghetto.
Buffalo is better than Cuse for sure. But not by much. It just has more to do there and the vibes aren't as fucked.
Albany is a shit hole.
Give me a choice out of Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse and Albany. I would choose Buffalo and rope myself there for having to make such a bad choice.

Why are all these places so greasy? I can't believe how there is not many redeeming factors to these places

[Anonymous No.23203100]

>>23203063
Oh I forgot to mention that the exception to living in Upstate is if you live in the country. Then it is actually decent... except for the taxes and regulations. But you have to the avoid the country ghettos

[Anonymous No.23203124]

>>23203063
>Rochester
My god, what a depressing shithole. How many of your friends are hooked on heroin? Isn't it overcast there every day?

[Anonymous No.23203133]

>>23203100
Also does anyone else find it weird that there is threads about upstate NY on biz frequently but no other locations in the US really? There is something really special and shitty about upstate that attracts people to shitpost about it on biz. Maybe because we all want to make it out of NY and never look back so we trade shitcoins. Why is there more people from upstate NY on biz comparatively to any other board?

[Anonymous No.23203162]

>>23199342
We’ve BEEN getting fucked by taxes from NYC, dude.
I lose like 30% of my paycheck so niggers can ride the fucking bus for free.

[Anonymous No.23203172]

>>23203124
It is overcast 9 months of the year it feels like. It is truly a gloomy, shitty place to live. The people here are all bitter, not friendly and have cold hearts. There is nothing to do. Hipsters and dooshbags are everywhere. Rich people, Jews, poors, the culture here is to be greasy and be a degenerate or a faggy rich person.

One of my good friends killed himself on heroin 2 years ago. Made me never want to hang out with druggies again.

When you live in Rochester you have 2 choices. Either so drugs and drink or move.

[Anonymous No.23203218]

I left Buffalo 3 years ago for Texas. Way more based here and conservative. Inb4 Muh Mexicans. Yes, Mexican culture is everywhere and the inner cities are obviously blue. But outside of the inner cities almost everyone is conservative whites and Mexicans.

Also, the entire attitude is generally less metropolitan. Even the liberals here are less annoying. Buffalo SJWs are relentlessly obnoxious. There’s also SO MUCH MORE TO DO. Like I never get bored here, tons of nature, guns, restaurants, and these Mexicans are constantly throwing festivals and shit.

[Anonymous No.23203285]

>>23203218
Buffalo SJWs are some of the worst.
It's like Buffalo is a combination of the worst ghetto people and the worst SJWs. Then you throw in the hipster culture and the HUGE greasy punk scene... the cherry on top is the yuppies. How can such an annoying, abrasive and unattractive city exist?
I think at least Rochester has a decent city layout and is surrounded by nature and the lakes. Buffalo has NOTHING except some stuff to do.
Why does anybody live there or continue to live there?

[Anonymous No.23203329]

the entire northeast (outside of obvious less developed and more rural areas) are shit. everything is too overdeveloped. I live in S New England and its depressing seeing all the shitty post war housing and hearing your neighbors scream at each other over the fence and the fucking wiggers driving their rice burners up and down the street. you have no rights, can't have guns without going thru a stupid process and have to pay taxes up the ass.

[Anonymous No.23203339]

>>23203063
>>23203100
>>23203133
>>23203172
>>23203285

Can anyone tell how bitter I am about Upstate? This place takes and takes until nothing is left.

[Anonymous No.23203355]

>>23203339
why are you still there?

[Anonymous No.23203365]

>>23200939
>Small towns are white but the schools suck and filled with meth rednecks

its almost like white people suck

[Anonymous No.23203398]

>>23203355
Family and I need to make more money before I can leave. Once I leave I will never come back. I was planning on leaving soon but with all that's going on in the world, living near family in the country isn't THAT bad... just cucked.

[Anonymous No.23203407]

>>23203339
>be me
>drive along road in Utica on residential street
>pavement just ceases to exist
>road is dirt for like an eighth of a mile
>pavement resumes
>it was probably like this for years and will never get fixed

[Anonymous No.23203437]

I have had over 30 CLOSE friends kill themselves from heroin, suicide, or drunk driving in Buffalo. That’s just from my small suburb near Amherst. It’s unreal. I’m so glad I moved whenever I visit. NYC is a parasitical leech that sucks all the money and life away

[Anonymous No.23203459]

>>23203133
Some people say they have is geo tagged and segmented into separate boards

[Anonymous No.23203460]

>>23203398
godspeed

[Anonymous No.23203468]

>>23203365
Cope niggie

[Anonymous No.23203473]

>>23203437
Holy fuck dude that is crazy I've only had 1 friend kill himself from heroin. How did you cope with your friends dying after th 10th one went? Did you just become numb? Did you ever just give up and stop going to funerals? How do you feel about all these friends deaths? It seems surreal. Where did you move to?

>does anybody else think the energy in upstate is cursed

[Anonymous No.23203490]

>>23203407
Upstate roads are unironically usually better than Long Island pothole roads. Must be all the snow that happens upstate, the roads generally need to be better maintained

[Anonymous No.23203529]

>>23203490
>Upstate roads are unironically usually better than Long Island pothole roads.

dude I saw roads around Utica that looked like they were hit with artillery shells.

[Anonymous No.23203605]

>>23203529
Exactly my point kek. But really, maybe I've just been more on the highway type roads, they were all much better than downstate. LI and the city have terrible road maintenance, yet there always seems to be some kind of road maintenance where they just stand around and do nothing

[Anonymous No.23203638]

>>23203605
>But really, maybe I've just been more on the highway type roads, they were all much better than downstate.

I liked the roads branching off the thruway in the middle of nowhere that didn't go anywhere and would just end in a blockade.

Use your budget or lose it I guess.

LI+NYC have too many fucking people and the roads can't take it.

[Anonymous No.23203675]

Not to dox myself too heavily but I live in Zone 3 and the roads in my area haven't been repaired in over 10 years. There's some sort of authority dispute between two towns over who's responsible to maintaining them, now the roads are so bad that a Russian would be terrified of driving on them. I'm thinking of moving to New Hampshire.

[Anonymous No.23203712]

>>23203675
>Not to dox myself too heavily but I live in Zone 3

Good call anon, the way the region is losing people you may be one of only seven or eight left in the entire zone.

[Anonymous No.23203744]

>>23203712
Nobody would ever willingly travel to Syracuse so that's not a big worry.

[Anonymous No.23203824]

>>23203744
I have friends there unfortunately so when I visit them I have to willingly travel there.
The fact they live there makes me question their sanity.

[Anonymous No.23204015]

>>23203398
We are exactly the same. Where are you anon? 315 here, I want to fucking kill myself. I’m stuck here because of family and lack of funds to move as well. I pray for the big collapse so I can just fuck off and do my own thing in the mountains somewhere.

[Anonymous No.23204197]

>>23203473
grew up on Grand Island, definitely agree that the energy in upstate is cursed.

[Anonymous No.23204282]

>>23204197
This place is robbing me of my soul

[Anonymous No.23204406]

>>23204015
585. May god have mercy on our souls.
We will make it out of here one day bro. I believe in you. The world believes in you. Sometimes I think living in Africa would be a better experience than living here.

>>23204197
How would you describe the energy as? Soul sucking?

[Anonymous No.23204467]

>>23203218
GO Bills

[Anonymous No.23204523]

>>23204406
at least hyoure not fucking me dude. fucking god traps me here. i have the ultimate curse from god and upstate ny. every time i find a way out FUCKING GOD RUINS IT

[Anonymous No.23204537]

>>23203744
I went there once for a concert when I was in school at Binghamton. Will probably never set foot in that shithole again though.

[Anonymous No.23204600]

>>23204467
Ay yes, the NFL team with a fantasy so retarded they dive on top of beer pong tables like they're in the WWE

[Anonymous No.23204750]

>>23204523
give me a green text of why you cant get out anon

[Anonymous No.23204885]

>>23204750
god got me arrested and i got the longest probation sentence in the world..

literally the second i got rich and i was buying a plane ticket

[Anonymous No.23204978]

631 link crew checking. We are all gonna make it

[Anonymous No.23205258]

>>23204885
God didn't do anything anon. You have a lesson that the universe is trying to teach you. You got rich right? Wait it out and plan out your future.

[Anonymous No.23205978]

>>23204978
Suffolk County's in debt now but I guess that's all localities across the US. This place is alright, lightyears ahead of upstate.

[Anonymous No.23206321]

>>23199342
>>23199666
>>23200939
>>23203063
>>23203124
>>23203172
Tell me more reasons not to move there. Please.
My wife is from the Adirondack region and wants to move back to upstate NY to be closer to family.
We live in glorious Idaho currently.
Fuck. I don’t want to move back to the joggers and crime and trash.
I don’t want shitty gray overcast weather.
Give me reasons to convince her it’s a terrible place to live.

[Anonymous No.23206343]

>>23206321
Adirondack are beautiful and based. Where does she want to move? I mean there’s way worse places than the daks. Anons itt were talking about Syracuse, Buffalo, Albany etc

[Anonymous No.23206353]

>>23199666
Born and raised in Sewercuse. Left long time ago. Anyone still there deserves to get fucked desu. Just like Cali.

[Anonymous No.23206386]

>>23206343
Yeah those mountains are beautiful and her family has a cabin in them, but she’s talking about the Rochester area a lot.
Her sisters lived there and loved it.
I read stats about the violent crime and trash and think fuck that.
I literally do a double take when I see a black person here in Idaho.

[Anonymous No.23206451]

>>23206386
Do not move here. High taxes. Cucked crypto regulations. It is cold here 9 months of the year. Nothing to do. Hipsters. Ghettos. Gloomy. Unfriendly people. Hicks. Closed minded people.

The thing is though that the adirondacks are the exception. It is beautiful out there and I would think it would be almost like living in Idaho, except with more lakes, mountains etc. If you are into the mountain man or country life it is nice up there. Especially small town life if you are into it.
If she wants to move back to syracuse, then eithe find somewhere in the country like Oswego near cuse... but even then I wouldn't recommend it.
If you are anywhere near cuse you will feel cucked. Dont do it. It is a poopy diaherra doo doo town.

[Anonymous No.23206482]

>>23206386
NO ANON NO NO NO. I LIVE IN ROCHESTER ABORT MISSION RUN AWAY. DIVORCE YOUR WIFE AND START A NEW LIFE. IF HER SISTERS THINK ROCHESTER IS NICE OR COOL THEY MUST BE HORRIBLE PEOPLE.
Do you want me to give you the run down of every area in Rochester ? What are in rochester is she looking at? It sucks here.
I can give you a rundown of every place around as I've lived most places around here unfortunately.
Do you want the roc city redpill?

[Anonymous No.23206486]

>>23205978
Long Island is cucked anon why would you want to live so far from the mainland? You have to drive through NYC just to get out in any kind of apocalyptic event

[Anonymous No.23206490]

>>23206451
This

[Anonymous No.23206507]

you people are fucking hillbillies just move to a big city wtf

[Anonymous No.23206510]

>>23206451
Lol more mountains and lakes
Look up the Sawtooth Mountains of Idaho
Literally the entire state except for the desert in the south is mountains and rivers and lakes

I’d be down for the Adirondacks but the job opportunities are pretty shit.
I was thinking maybe the finger lakes or Saratoga Springs could be alright but I’ve never been there

But yeah the gun laws worry me and the taxes seem insane.
I get wanting to be closer to family but I don’t know what to do here.

[Anonymous No.23206533]

>>23206482
Yeah that’s not gonna happen and her sisters are actually alright. They only lived there for a year or two.
We’ve talked about the Brighton, East side of Rochester a bit.
Give me Roc Redpill anon, please

[Anonymous No.23206560]

>>23199666
Albany is a cesspool. So many niggers and pajeets its ridiculous. Saratoga Springs is pretty based tho.

[Anonymous No.23206569]

>>23199342
What taxes do you mean?

[Anonymous No.23206721]

Alright anon let me help you out.
Every place I marked with a red X is not somewhere you want to move. The places I marked with yellow are places which would potentially be alright to move, but with stipulations behind them.

Funnily enough I just moved from Brighton.
I will give you the run down
>The most jewish place literally in the entire area
>High taxes, but centrally located
>No country but are a lot of conviences near by
>Ritsy people who are stuck up
>Nothing really to do unless you have kids and want to take them to the park or some shit
Seriously dude if you are a country guy and you like nature don't move here. You are wedged between nothing but noise, yuppies, liberals etc. This place was nice to live in for the sheer amount of convience but that is about it.
Seriously, if you are from the country you will hate this place. The only benefit that I can think of is the largest YMCA in the US is in Brighton now and it is really nice. If you have kids and want them to go to Brighton schools, expect them to go to a school with snobby preppy kids who laugh at you for not wearing abercrombie and finch ( this is what my friend who went there has told me and it seems accurate).


Next is Penfield. Again an alright place to live, IF you can find a house in the country. The problem is the housing is shit and also is almost non-existant. Plus honestly is somewhere I would not want to live.

Mendon. Actually nice as fuck. In the country. Think a lot of horse farms and shit like that. The only thing is it is expensive as fuck and the taxes are high as fuck. Plus a lot of rich people live there soooo yeah.

Rush I could maybe recommend moving too. But beware of the things in the woods. Not much goes on there and I don't believe the taxes are crazy high.

Honeyoye Falls is nice and the school is nice. But it is filled with yuppies and rich doosh bags.

[Anonymous No.23206807]

>>23206533
>>23206721
>>23206721

Ok so here is why Rochester is a shit place to live.

>It is a sharp contrast between almost like 6 types of demographics
>1.Greasy, cold hearted, close minded and brainwashed weirdos who are mean or fucked up in some way ( seriously for some reason this area turns everyone into the most bitter, down trodden and cynical people ever). It is common to be a cynnical asshole in the area and that is kind of the culture. Being a greasy person who drinks or smokes everyday is COOL here. To survive the 9 months of GREY and cold you need to be either fucked up drunk or on drugs, or be part of a religion like a Mormon to tolerate it.
2. Rich doosh bags, liberals and cuckolds. People who act snooby, are surface level material and who are just so out of touch with reality
3. Poor people, ghetto people, minorities, homeless people and dumb people
4. Country bumpkins who are close minded and don't really know much outside of Rochester and their small town (think trump people or just your average small towner)
5. Insane amounts of college students from out of state that don't know shit and think they are smarter/cooler than they are
6. People that are extremely egotistical and think they are smarter and better than most people

The general idea you should get from Rochester is cold, unfriendly, unwelcoming, close minded, egotistical and gloomy. It is a cursed city where even the most successful people and places fall. Kodak got started here and he killed himself here. The black lives matter shit is being pushed heavily by the elites here as a hot city for the media to pick apart.

If you really want to move in the area, look into Livingston County, which is pretty much all country and south to Monroe county. Or something like wayne county. Basically you want to pick somewhere out in the country at least 30 minutes from downtown Rochester.

[Anonymous No.23206867]

>>23206507
I'm from the city and went to college upstate at Bing, both are shitholes in their own ways but I think upstate is worse because of the soul-crushing economic depression and lack of opportunities. I've seen poverty in the Southern Tier that was far worse than anything I've seen in NYC ghettos... people stuck working at Walmart for their entire lives, chugging mellow yellow and chainsmoking Indian reservation cigarettes; raising severely autistic kids that are probably fucked up because IBM polluted the water supply. I think the Hudson Valley is a good balance because you're still relatively close to the city but still far enough removed to get some goddam peace and quiet. Putnam County looks based, that's where I'm looking to move after I make it. I have too many ties to New York City to leave the state altogether but if I wasn't from here and have all the support networks I do I would not move here.

[Anonymous No.23206871]

>>23206321
The adirondacks and the finger lakes are beautiful.
The major cities are townie and poor as fuck

[Anonymous No.23206896]

>>23206807
The thing you have to realize about Rochester is that it has a CURSED energy here. Buisnesses come here to die. Musicians can never break out of being local area musicians no matter how much they try. Downtown used to be thriving but failed. They tried to make a ferry from Rochester to Canada and that failed. The mayor is a criminal who runs guns and just got put in jail for election fraud.
But they didn't jail her when she got caught with illegal guns. Kodak lived and died here. There used to be a beautiful downtown with a mall and great things. But now it is just a reminder of "what once was".

Look up:
>Rochester fast ferry
>Mayor Lovely Warren
>Rochester Black Lives Matter Riots

Anyone who lives here for life either has something seriously fucked up with them that they accept this fate, or they move far away to greener pastures.

This place is cursed. The fact that you would consider moving here is a BIG red flag you should reconsider what you are doing with your life.
Anyways don't you see what way the world is going? You want to be as FARRRRR away from the cities as possible. It will only get worse and places like Brighton will be the most cucked places you can live in the US.

Do yourself and your wife a favor. Show her these messages and tell her that by moving to Brighton or anywhere within a certain radius around the city of Rochester, you are sealing your fate to a cursed life of shit.

Me and all my friends, family and everyone I pretty much know (except for all the cucked people) desperately want to get out but they are cursed and trapped.

It is a curse to be here. If you want help I can point out places in the area that are decent to habitate in. Nice country places that offer something more than the curse bullshit of Monroe County.

[Anonymous No.23206899]

>>23203218
Christ, bufflao SJW's.
Once had knew a couple who wouldn't take take the 33 to get to delaware and summer because the "best street exit was too dangerous."

[Anonymous No.23206922]

>>23206867
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCKING GOD TRAPPED ME IN THIS

[Anonymous No.23206944]

>>23206896
This. Also agree all of ny is cursed especially upstate cities.

[Anonymous No.23206956]

>>23206896
I guess here is why I would move to Brighton:

>Do you like jews
>Do you like chainsmoking native america cheap reservation cigarettes for 20$ a carton called Senecas
>Do you want cheap shitty beer made in Rochester called Genesee
>Do you want to be around cyncial alcohols and cucks

[Anonymous No.23206967]

>>23206956
Shut your whore mouth about genesee. Its cheap alcoholic water. Like many other cheap alcoholic water beers. It is neccessary for the area

[Anonymous No.23206987]

>>23206922
I have friends from upstate who grew up poor and got out. they almost never go back to visit though. my advice is learn to code, that's what they did and i'm following in their footsteps right now

[Anonymous No.23207003]

>>23206987
i already have a ton of money but i keep getting arrested being a drug addict..

[Anonymous No.23207019]

>>23206922
Save up all your money and leave asap. It's an abandoned factory town where no one has realized it yet.
Only good thing is if you can be functional there, almost nowhere else will compare to the level of fuckery

[Anonymous No.23207033]

>>23206721
>>23206807
>>23206896
>>23206956
Thank you for the help
Reaffirms a lot of my thoughts and research

[Anonymous No.23207048]

>>23207003
What are you addicted to anon. I can maybe couch you out of your situation and at the very least be a helping friend. Wanna share discord info? I used to be a former drug addict.

[Anonymous No.23207055]

>>23207003
ok so i just read through your posts. let me get this straight, you have money but you can't leave because you're stuck on probation? are they forcing you to live in the same county or can you move to other parts of the state?

[Anonymous No.23207061]

>>23207033
You are welcome. Just trying to save a beautiful soul from turning into a demon because they moved here from some reason. Peace and best of luck.

[Anonymous No.23207105]

>>23206967
Yeah but that's the thing anon, no where should you have to drink shitty alcoholic water out of the need to survive another day. That is how FUCKED this place is. It is a requirement to live here.

[Anonymous No.23207132]

Ok anons. I have come to a realization. I think something really fucked happened to Upstate NY at some point in earths history. The energy is just THAT fucked here. Maybe tens of thousands of years ago a holocaust happened or a war or something. All I know is it feels that fucked that it feels like there is blood soaked into the ground.

This place is forsaken.

[Anonymous No.23207385]

>>23207048
mylifesucks321#5762

>>23207055
yes its fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.23207399]

>>23207132
add me on discord bro. i gurantee i have it worse than all of you

[Anonymous No.23207412]

>>23207399
What's your discord. I will help you out. sunofthemoon#9215

[Anonymous No.23207468]

>>23201742
I lived in North Country for a while. Watertown specifically. It was cool to look at for like a week and then I hated the place with all my heart. All but vowed to never step foot in New York State ever again

[Anonymous No.23207496]

>>23207468
So is it as shit as I think it is up there? It is so beautiful. Why does it suck up there? I thought it would be better than Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse, Albany etc... Guess not? Why?

[Anonymous No.23207543]

>>23207132
This really reminds me of living in the Midwest more than anything. Utterly annihilated towns like Youngstown and Gary. You drive through them it and basically feels like a mix between a warzone and a mental asylum, people just vacantly staring at nothing at the side of the road.

[Anonymous No.23207600]

Saratoga Master race reporting in. Only place in Upstate where jobs and factories are moving in, and most of them are actually high tech jobs. Unlike other towns in upstate we're actually gentrifying and becoming less trashy.

[Anonymous No.23207629]

God I would pity you bigoted cunts if you didn't dig your own holes 90% of the time. Looking at this thread, who the fuck DO you miserable cunts get along with? Even the average racist trumptards get along with each other. Have you ever considered that if theres shit everywhere you go, to look under your own shoe? Maybe if you didn't have such a crippling misanthropic hatred for every minority/people that are different from you you guys would be able to make some friends and wouldn't be as miserable.

That said I fucking hate upstate NY. It really is illuminating how often these threads get made and they never fail to illustrate the kafkaesque existence of people living in this region that are self-aware to realize how bad it is. I used to escape this place every summer and theres something in the air or something that makes this place uniquely miserable. But I dont know, like >>23207543 said I've lived/worked all over the country and I get the same vibe from most of the east coast/midwest/ and south. Maybe theres something claustrophobic about the flat, homogenous endless green that transforms into dead sticks 8 months out of the year. But everytime I get out west, I just feel so much better.

I was supposed to finally get out of this place for good this year, had a great job lined up, and then fucking covid hit. I dont know if I can take another winter here, I might just drive down to florida/texas and take any shitty job I can get.

[Anonymous No.23207688]

>>23207629
>West
I'm planning on going to Utah soon. But be careful, go too far west and you'll end up in California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USsewgYaTqU

[Anonymous No.23207799]

>>23207629
Dude I don't think you know anything. But yeah watching the endless green transform into dead sticks for 8 months is soul crushing.

Best of luck on leaving. Idk why so many threads of Upstate end up on /biz/ but it is bizarre.

[Anonymous No.23207846]

>>23207688
I spent some time in Utah. Its a beautiful state. Hit every national park and they're all just as amazing as advertised.

That said the Mormons run that state, and its not a good thing. They fuck with everyones alcohol and pass other retarded religious shit that basically treat non-mormons as second class citizens.

Most of the people I met in Utah seem to fall into one of three categories:

1. Mormon. Dont get me wrong theres plenty of nice mormon people. But that doesn't change the fact that when they run the community you're not invited. I've even met several mormons from other states that said Utah mormons are treated as living in a bubble and especially overzealous. At the end of the day Mormonism is a cult, just like any religious group that starts to form a poisonous little theocracy(Scientologists, Hasidic/orthodox Jews, hardcore Christians)
2. Ex Mormons: dont worry, they'll tell you their ex-mormon very quickly upon meeting them. Boy do they have a bitter hatred for the mormon church and if a word of what they say is true it seems justified(yes it is true you can look up plenty of the egregious claims and confirm).
3. Rock climbers/hippies/desert rats: Usually very cool, great people that are friendly and easy to get along with because you and them will probably be the only ones that dont fall into the aforementioned categories.

At this point I'm pretty much choosing between Arizona and Texas. The only thing holding me back from Arizona is I don't want to be that far from the ocean. But I'll probably go with Arizona anyways because Texas has too much dumb christian baggage(liquor laws, sign pledge to israel for hurricane relief, etc)

[Anonymous No.23207885]

>>23199342
How much Clover42 to get out of the states.

[Anonymous No.23208191]

>>23207846
Nice didn't expect to get a full report like this lol