/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.22232499]

>bruhh don't worry automation won't cause unemployment

[Anonymous No.22232788]

>>22232499
quite goym and get back in the cage

[Anonymous No.22232822]

>>22232499
so? just get a new job

[Anonymous No.22232846]

>>22232499
>not having long term investments to coast off in the future

[Anonymous No.22232852]

>>22232822
>get new job that dosnt exist or way beyond any normies ability to obtain.

why dont you get off ben shapiros dick

[Anonymous No.22232905]

>>22232499
Maybe we will have job creating robots that can create tasks for us to work on since life would be meaningless if we didn’t spend the majority of it laboring.

[Anonymous No.22233024]

>>22232822
Here is the thing most people don't realize though. Do you seriously believe every single human is doing the highest obtainable job they could do? Probably not. What will happen when some of these people lose their jobs is they will retrain themself, gain new skills, and then move into another job, maybe higher skilled than the last. What will happen as an effect is the labor supply will swell. Every job will have higher competition.
Working any job right now is pretty humiliating. You are basically helping assemble a machine that is designed to kill you. The work you contribute to companies will be used to earn them wealth. That wealth will be used to fund research to automate your job and end your bloodline. The rich just hope no one notices this is the biggest threat and they just need to keep everyone occupied for the next 40 years. I see so many people in white collar jobs saying "lmao, dude they can't automate my job." They fail to realize that having a machine drive a car isn't that much less complex than managing an office or business operations. Your only hope is basically becoming a part of the ownership class. That is why you should invest, your life may very well depend on it. I really hope that I am being pessimistic, but it really seems like people's heads are in the sand. I see a lot of people jumping for joy that certain jobs are being automated, failing to realize that they will be next and the people above them will jump for joy when they get automated. Sick world, stupid people.

[Anonymous No.22233050]

>>22232499
>what was the industrial revolution
>what is the Information Age
Automation is good

[Anonymous No.22233237]

>>22233024
This is the logical end game. Once human labor is automated enough to do without it you can say goodbye to the majority of humans.

Being part of the ownership class will help you escape the slow genocide of declining birth rates by letting you afford to have children, but a fast genocide will follow, enforced by whoever controls the automated military, so simply being one of the owners of the system wont help you in the end

[Anonymous No.22233350]

>>22233024
in a good world automation would just mean more leisure, which is indeed what many economists hoped for when they discussed automation and technology, and what some retards who think star trek will happen in our lifetimes parrot. but its fucking 2020 and home prices in real terms are literally worse than 50-80 years ago, so i dont disagree with you tho and everyone should be contemplating the scenario you discussed

[Anonymous No.22233741]

>>22233237
This was actually a good read, thanks anon. Is there anywhere else I can read more about that? Pretty much discussed how I feel about it. I think the idea that everyone will have to earn stuff based off of social credit (low emissions etc) was interesting too. Was it ever confirmed to be real? I just find it hard to believe a cosmetics guy is on that.

>>22233350
Yeah, as a kid this is what I imagined. However, I think people thought unions would still exist or something at this point. To a large extent they don't now. I also saw something that people are less likely to unionize when they are in an area/working with lots of other racial groups.

[Anonymous No.22234081]

>>22233741
It wasnt confirmed real, but it seems pretty accurate with the way things are going ie cashless societies, economic transactions eventually just being paid with lifestyle concessions.

Its very similar to another leak
https://100777.com/nwo/barbarians#1

Also never confirmed real, but eerily accurate for a speech made in the 60's

[Anonymous No.22234182]

>>22232822
Retard.

[Anonymous No.22234209]

>>22232499
>they keep sending jobs overseas
kek the job is being sent over silicon

[Anonymous No.22234218]

>>22234182
retard who can get employed if he needs to, unlike you.

[Anonymous No.22234245]

>2020
>He isnt training to go Special Operations while going all in crypto

[Anonymous No.22234261]

Most of this was a good watch. Didn't care much for the trucking family bit. They seem too stubborn in changing their careers with the times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dZ_lvDgevk

[Anonymous No.22234450]

>>22234182
Learn to code

[Anonymous No.22234468]

>>22232822
Based.

[Anonymous No.22234546]

>>22232499
Ok retard, only 300 hundred years ago more than 95% of people worked in agriculture. Now it's less than 3%.
So riddle me this, do we have a 97%+ unemployment?
Of course not you bumblefuck, there will always be new jobs and shit to do. Just because your double digit IQ brain can't comprehend it, it doesn't mean it's not so.

[Anonymous No.22234587]

>>22234218
Read this >>22233237 faggot.

[Anonymous No.22234896]

>>22234546
Could also be a super cycle, my wife and I are making money and investing now to nope the fuck out of the us tranny shit with our kids to Eastern Europe.

It’s easy enough to retire there with half a million, go back to farming, being outside, family etc etc instead of being fucking cattle forced to accept tranny fucking as normal.

I think a lot of people will opt out and that 3% farming will go up.

[Anonymous No.22234963]

This is not a problem because declining native birthrates mean fewer human jobs are necessary for economic growth. Birthrates decline, fewer labourers mean higher wages, higher wages mean greater automation, and the whole system steadily adjusts over time. The end result is a small, environmentally viable population doing high value work and getting paid very well in a strong economy, with a vast amount of low value work done by machines.

It's only a problem if you have mass immigration and/or welfare systems that incentivise pumping out large numbers of poorly parented kids.

[Anonymous No.22235036]

>>22234896
>I am going to doom my kids to a life of misery in some Eastern Europe shithole
>But it's ok cause they won't see da gays

[Anonymous No.22235057]

>>22232499
What are some automation proof business models?

[Anonymous No.22235076]

>>22235036
Lmao yes Hungary is a real shit hole, so is Croatia on the Adriatic Sea.

[Anonymous No.22235092]

>>22235057
Healthcare I think will be the last or at least later to go down the shitter.

[Anonymous No.22235141]

>>22235076
Outside of the main cities yes

[Anonymous No.22235286]

>>22235141
True that’s why you get a cozy place outside the main city and fucking relax, take a drive in and enjoy yourself.

Everyone is different I like my family and just fucking around doing random stuff outside and reading. That’s about it, if having a nice house built close to the water on my own private land that I can’t even see a house on the horizon is a shithole so be it. The same sun shines on my shithole as does the one in Manhattan.

[Anonymous No.22235374]

>>22234963
Your actually right. Low birth rates also translates into less ghettos. You’d be incentive for not to have kids if you know you cannot afford to maintain your current standard of living.

[Anonymous No.22235499]

>>22235057
Healthcare
Agriculture
Tourism
Therapeutic practices
Cleaning businesses
Education
Entertainment
Religion

[Anonymous No.22235738]

>>22235374
Exactly. You can think of it as two models for procreating. One model is to have a very small number of children and pour all your resources into their success. Another is to have a huge number of kids and hope some of them make it to adulthood to do the same.

By paying for the healthcare, basic education, food and housing at a very basic level, the first model is incentivised since nearly all kids will make it to adulthood, and the underclass swells. In addition, this is paid for by taxes on the middle and working classes, who have fewer and fewer kids since their resources are being siphoned to the underclass.

The western world has set itself up to fall when automation comes around. It wouldn't be an issue otherwise.

[Anonymous No.22235794]

in the coming days if you can't make a living on the internet you will starve or live on some basic UBI scheme.

[Anonymous No.22235946]

>>22232499
Unironically true, I work in a factory but in the office part and we have replaced half the floor with automated robots in the past 3 years, this is not a small factory either.

[Anonymous No.22235947]

Robots don't have rights, destroying them en masse is just property damage. What do you think a whole class of permanently unemployed people are gonna do with their free time?

[Anonymous No.22236024]

>>22235057
>he thinks we have free will

[Anonymous No.22236100]

>>22233350
In the real world they will kill off 95% of the population as being not economically viable. It’s true and you know it.

[Anonymous No.22236238]

>>22235036
noo you cant just live happily without daily doses of Starbucks latte and huge (((shopping malls))), you’re going to be miserable!

[Anonymous No.22236247]

Automation has happened for thousands of years. The problem isn't automation, its distribution of wealth. Automation is great because it allows people on average to work less and get more. The problem is our society the "get more" part is funneled entirely to the rich. And the "work less" part never happens, instead workers work the same, and unemployment rises. And our society tried to address this not by telling people its ok to work less, but trying to encourage everyone to needlessly consume, so now everyone can work more, produce more, except most of that again is funneled up to the top.

[Anonymous No.22236270]

>>22236247
>Automation has happened for thousands of years. The problem isn't automation
No, automation was always the issue and the industrial revolution was the beginning of the end.

[Anonymous No.22236343]

>>22232905

So true.

[Anonymous No.22236627]

>>22236270

If everyone had the same jobs, but they could automate them, everyone would be better off, correct? Like if everyone owned a robot that did their job for them. The problem is that typically a small group of rich people own and control all of the capital and receive all of the benefits of automation. Not sure how to fix this, but I know trying to stifle technology, or encouraging people to needless consume and waste resources, or support needless services jobs so other people can to busy work is a bad policy.

[Anonymous No.22236682]

>>22232499
I hope so. I've invested quite a bit in some job automating companies.

[Anonymous No.22236735]

>>22232852
>>22234182
Of you really can't learn to offer something society finds useful, than you should prolly love out your days in the mountains.

[Anonymous No.22237085]

>>22234587
>t. dude weed lmao

[Anonymous No.22237396]

>>22236627
>If everyone had the same jobs, but they could automate them, everyone would be better off, correct
Not really. Also they would not get paid right? Corporations would just purchase the robot directly.
And the scenario your describing is impossible, absolute centralization of power is the only consequence of industrial technology, as well as a system which exploits people like cogs in a machine
Also people need to do meaningful tasks in order to feel good, not retarded hobbies (including academy and other "productive" tasks)
Unironically people need to provide themselves with basse necessities in order to be psychologically healthy, otherwise they don't feel achievement or autonomy, all forms of automation are doing this and there is nothing to be done about it really

[Anonymous No.22237608]

>>22232499
We're not gonna have automation. Diversity is going to destroy everything. The US can't even make tritium to trigger nukes anymore.

[Anonymous No.22237683]

>>22237396
That's my point. If everyone had the same job, got paid the same, but owned a robot to their job. They are strictly better off. The problem is when a corporation owns all the robots. The problem is not automation, it distribution and control of capital.

[Anonymous No.22237717]

>>22234896
>leaving US for EE because muh nature and no gheys
lmao just move to montana or wyoming or some shit you retard

[Anonymous No.22237775]

>>22237683
No, they would be severely psychologically damaged and demoralized imo.
Also, a state where everyone has a job but doesn't do it can't exist. Not like it doesn't exist right now, it can't. It wouldn't be "having a job". It would just be UBI with automation. And then this >>22236100 will probably come next.

[Anonymous No.22237966]

>>22237775

So being retired makes you "psychologically damaged"? That's retarded. Most people would prefer to work much less than 40 hours a week.

[Anonymous No.22238436]

>>22237775
Holy Moly you're the ultimate wagie

[Anonymous No.22238490]

>>22237966
People need to stay busy in order to stay healthy mentally. If people have nothing to wake up in the morning for, no meaningful goal on the horizon to achieve a huge percent of the population will fall into depression. People need to feel like they are having some kind of impact upon how they perceive the world so playing video games 18 hours per day isn't going to cut it.
When you speak to retired folks which are actually happy with retirement they are nearly always people who have many many hobbys, often they do voluntary work etc and are already financially well off in order to do these things. Once automation hits for real do you believe the average person will be well off and not queuing up for their high-fuctose corn syrup sachet bucks each week?

[Anonymous No.22238564]

>>22237966
First of all mental deterioration in retired people is a well-known phenomenon dude.
Second yeah people don't like working more than 40 hours because all jobs in industrial society are demoralizing as shit.
Not working is better than working, yeah. But those people will still be severely demoralized, and feel no achievement and no autonomy under a fully automated system. Humans are humans and when they don't live a human life (which includes struggle, and not for the sake of totally abstract things) they become psychologically disordered.
>>22238436
No, I'm a NEET, I think modern work is dehumanizing, the only non-dehumanizing work is pre-industrial work. Like I said nothing can be done at this point.

[Anonymous No.22238578]

>>22232499
>jobs get automated
>automation = greater need for maintenance, research -> time to get an engineering/programming degree
>(or get a job that's less likely to be automated)

or

>jobs get automated
>people lose jobs
>recession hits -> invest in necessities, precious metals and real estate, owning stocks with dividends can be nice

or

>jobs get automated
>people lose jobs, have to raise welfare benefits because no job
>gov needs to pay more welfare, need more loan quick -> invest in government securities both long & short

[Anonymous No.22238630]

>>22238564
>First of all mental deterioration in retired people is a well-known phenomenon dude.

lmao, that's because of old age.

And you can have achievement and goals and adversity, challenge, in sports, hobbies, and small business ventures, there is no wagie paycheck required to experience these things.

I guess if you're sub 80 IQ adult child then maybe you need some parental guidance, maybe in the "ideal" automated world the government has some working welfare programs.

[Anonymous No.22238702]

>>22238490
You know, people already have nothing to wake up in the morning for, even if they have a job. A huge percent of the population has already fallen into depression.
It's fun to fill your day with hobbies after you just wagecucked for 50 years straight. But generally speaking it's as empty as work or academy. It's surrogate activities meant to replace the natural process of fulfillment - hunting, sheltering, etc.
>>22238630
>lmao, that's because of old age.
Not really, plenty of people are completely mentally healthy up to the point of retirement.
>And you can have achievement and goals and adversity
Not even close to what a human requires in order to feel autonomous and fulfilled. These are just surrogate activities meant to replace the natural process of fulfillment - hunting, sheltering, etc.

[Anonymous No.22238767]

>>22238630
>maybe in the "ideal" automated world the government has some working welfare programs.
And what you describe is welfare with extra steps. You have a job but someone else (robot) is doing it is essentially welfare.

[Anonymous No.22238798]

>>22238702

You can not have a wagie job, and still go out to hunt if you want, or do w/e else. You are so ingrained in the wagie mindset that you cannot imagine having time to do something that didn't pay money. You need to open your mind and imagine not being a wagie slave working 2/3 of your waking hours working for someone else. You could have the freedom to do whatever you wanted regardless of whether other people pay you do it.

[Anonymous No.22238916]

>>22238490
What is a meaningful goal? The ones most today strive for are a product of the modern situation, as a civilization evolves so do the people and goals change.

[Anonymous No.22238964]

>>22238798
Going hunting or rock climbing or whatever is not fulfilling, hunting for food and overcoming an obstacle you actually need to overcome is fulfilling. It's not about adrenaline spikes and vacations it's about autonomy and fulfillment.
I'm not a wagie and I haven't been one for years.
>You could have the freedom to do whatever you wanted
Yeah except actually living like humans are biologically designed to live. Which causes psychological disorder. No amount of outdoorsmanship will help that.
I guess I could join a cult or live in absolute solitude, oh joy I really feel the freedom washing over me.

[Anonymous No.22239010]

>>22238964

I think you are the only one that has this physiological disorder you are describing.

[Anonymous No.22239041]

>>22239010
Nah, I'm really not.

[Anonymous No.22239126]

>>22234245
underrated

[Anonymous No.22239154]

>>22232852
Theres a glut of stem graduates that cant get tech jobs , what makes them think that normal people are going to be able to?

[Anonymous No.22239178]

>>22235036
Poland number one

[Anonymous No.22239244]

>>22234963
"Declining birthrates"
Every year 80milion more people are born than die...

[Anonymous No.22239247]

>>22238578
>get a job that is less likely automated
if you knew, bourgeoisie or military is the only way

[Anonymous No.22239272]

>>22239010
And the psychological damage is there to observe, most people are unhappy and mental illness is at all time high. You might say it's a big pharma racket or find another reason, but I think that it's a consequence of industrial society. The notion that psychological disorder is not prevalent is just absurd.

[Anonymous No.22239277]

>>22232499
How do I avoid being automated?

[Anonymous No.22239348]

>>22239247
>implying military isn't getting automated as well
seriously though, education, healthcare, customer service and anything that requires creative thought or project-specific solutions should be good to go unless AI singularity occurs