/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.21122084]

Is there room to discuss TCG investing in /biz/? We're talking sealed product, magic the gathering, pokemon, yuigoh, sports cards, and other collectible cards. A lot of these products have upwards growth in value over 5 to 10 years and act like a fiat currency.

Thoughts? I personally was really lucky and managed to buy a 2000s first edition sealed booster box of Pokemon Gym Challenge for $1000CAD, meanwhile the box is selling for ~$16k online, and will only see continued upwards growth as it gets rarer. Also been trying to hoard Pokemon Hidden Fates product, a collector's booster box of MTG Ikoria on the way, and preorders of the new Zendikar Rising Set booster boxes.

What about you?
Is there value in investing in trading cards or is it a poor mans fund?
Have you had any sealed product jump up in value, or any market suggestions?
Do you have any product coming in?
Pulled/found any valuable singles, or restricted list cards?

Good resources:
youtube.com/AlphaInvestments
mtgstocks.com

[Anonymous No.21122117]

>>21122084
no, go jerk off on Facebook with your fag friends who think they’re smart for selling each other worthless cards at markup

[Anonymous No.21122199]

>>21122084
our primary school had the most jank rules for battling. we didn't use power cards we just flipped hats instead. I took many and lost many cards during them days

[Anonymous No.21122298]

>>21122084
Sorry I have a gf

[Anonymous No.21122311]

>>21122199
checked.

I know pokemon cards have seen a really high surge in value mostly due to nostalgia factors I think. Lots of 90 kids searching for old cards to get the rush they felt as kids. Currently there is a sealed booster box of Pokemon Base Set 1 Unlimited (reprint set) selling for $20k on ebay currently. I remember going to Toys R Us as a kid and just haphazardly digging through a bin filled to the brim with Base set booster packs. Wild stuff.

I assume the nostalgia factor also applies to Yugioh as well, but as I understand it there are a lot of reprints of popular cards that might hinder their upward growth in value. Mistake me if I'm wrong.

Also, I'm not a sports card guy, so any insight into how those markets are acting would be interesting to hear.

[Anonymous No.21122348]

This is a chainlink and penny stock forum, please take your pokimanes elsewhere

[Anonymous No.21122472]

>>21122084
You're telling me I can sell off the pokeyman cards i have in a shoe box somewhere and suckers will spend decent money for that? Or are we only talking limited edition Charizard cards or some shit like that

[Anonymous No.21122663]

>>21122472
Well the real money seems to be in purchasing sealed product and holding it for a period of 5 to 10 years like a bond. Some product that contain good cards, the Pokemon set "Burning Shadows" for example released in 2017 and would have cost around $130CAD and now sells for ~$350 sealed now.

Of course, there are valuable cards from older sets (and new sets, the newly released Double Masters for mtg contains a full art foil card called Force of Will that sells for $400USD). It really depends on the cards you have and their condition to give you a value. Come back with a photo and I'll help you out.

[Anonymous No.21122782]

>>21122663
Yea lol let me just hold pokemon cards for 10 years when I can just get treasury bonds instead

[Anonymous No.21122804]

>>21122782
Why not both? They're not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.21122905]

>>21122084
I bought some boosterboxes with my 2017 cryptoprofits of magic the gathering. I bought boxes I was nostalgic about (2 of each ~weatherlight/onslaught/the dark/ice age/eternal masters).

They have done surprisingly well. I'm not going to do it again, nor will I sell the boxes. I'll just going to keep them around for about 20 years to see where it goes.

[Anonymous No.21122976]

>>21122905
Ah that's cool! How much did you spend vs. how much have they gone up?

The youtube channel I posted in the OP did a box opening of Weatherlight last week I believe, and since then he's been mentioning how the prices have gone up quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.21123021]

>>21122084
I just sold all my mtg cards to buy link.

[Anonymous No.21123103]

>>21122084
i sold my charizard that was darker then others for 600$ not even first edition sold it too a jew too... I was lik ehow mjuch is thi sreally worth if a jew is buying it? but whatever 600$ thx bud had it my whole life kinda regret sellin gto be honest..

[Anonymous No.21123261]

>>21123103
But, with $600 you could buy a new charizard if you regret it that much, right?

The Nintendo game Fire Emblem has a Japan only TCG game called Fire Emblem Cipher. It's last set releases Oct this year. So I'm speculating that the sets/sealed product will gain a lot of value due to being OOP and a Nintendo collectible in general. Opened some boosters of that the other day and pulled a card that is valued at around $600CAD.

[Anonymous No.21123377]

>>21122084
It will revert back to it’s true inherent value, which is just cardboard. Every trading card game is in a bubble that will pop with the rest of the bullshit.

[Anonymous No.21123486]

>>21122084
I want mtgox back.
I want to trade mtg online like in a stock exchange

[Anonymous No.21123537]

>>21122976
>>21122905
Weatherlight I bought for €280 each, now they go for over €550.
Onslaught I bought for €300 each, now €450. The Dark I bought for €1400 each and are now €2500 each.
Ice age I bought for €500 each now go for €600.
Eternal masters I bought for €220 each and now go for €275.

It's pretty crazy return considering what my bank is giving me lol. But I'm not prepared to buy more, not for now. Feel incredibly risky somehow because it's just cardboard basically. Maybe when I cash out big again after this whole bullrun ends and I got money to spare I'll buy more who knows.

[Anonymous No.21123668]

>>21123537
Deadly.

I'm not worried about MTG and Pokemon as >>21123377 suggests. Pokemon is the highest grossing franchise on the planet, and mtg has been around for so long that it isn't going anywhere, and even if the brand collapsed there is enough content in the game that it will maintain a loyal following for decades to come. As cards are essentially fiat, I think they're pretty safe investment. They experience dips with the stock market, but recover, and can't test the bottom, as the sealed product is opened and removed from the pool or bought up and held. This is also why I think talking about it is worthwhile in /biz/.

I probably should make a more structured list of boxes that are releasing/recently released sets to give this thread a little bit more structure.

[Anonymous No.21123768]

>>21123668
I could suggest a youtube channel called Alpha Investments. It's a fun guy who used to work in the financial market and is now doing MTG for a living. He has some amazing video's about the mtg prices and the stock market. It was because of him I bought some more MTG products for nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.21123783]

Japanese promos are where it's at for Pokemon. If you can find any Japanese promos with exclusive art to Japan even better

[Anonymous No.21124029]

>>21122084
I have around 20 first gen/ultra rare holos from mid 2000’s and earlier, totalling around $2k in worth. Pic rel is my crown jewel. Never fucking selling.

[Anonymous No.21124184]

>>21123768
hahah, check the OP my man!

>>21123783
I really want to get my hands on some of the Mario Pikachu promos but they are going for crazy amounts now.

The new set of pokemon releasing on August 14th - Darkness Ablaze, contains the first Charizard card (always increases the value of the set) for the Sword & Shield series. Followed by the Champion's Path sets later this year, my retailed is already sold out of the Elite Trainer Boxes, so people are really rushing to this set for some reason. There won't be any booster boxes released for it, so I think it will occupy a Hidden Fates/Shining Legends type niche, where the sealed booster packs will drive high secondary prices.

Lastly a new set released in Japan 2 weeks or so agao- Legendary Heartbeat, that had a new rarity of cards, and those have been doing quite well. I'm able to jump through the hoops and order boxes from Amazon JP for like $80CAD and they could be flipped for probably around $120-150/box. Though I'm on the fence on whether to hold or sell.

In the mtg front the new Double Masters and Double Masters VIP boxes dropped. The regular booster boxes were preselling for $360 and the second wave has gone up to $400 already, so I expect upwards of $500/box in a few months. The VIP boxes (premium collection of cards potentially including the Force of Will card I mentioned earlier) are selling for $140 each, though the jury is put on whether these boxes were valued properly.

The Jumpstart set came out earlier this month and was selling for $129/box and has since jumped to $250-300/box. Good investment if you got sealed boxes early.

Lastly Zendikar Rising will be releasing in late September. Zendikar is a popular set in mtg, so I expect that will drive prices up a bit, but the big kicker is that this set will have a new box type "set boxes" that are themed, but also have the potential to include premium signed art cards as a extremely rare pull.

[Anonymous No.21124190]

>>21124029
If they are really worth so much you should sleeve them.

[Anonymous No.21124235]

>>21124029
I hope you are keeping this sleeved and top loaded anon. You should really think about getting it graded by PSA or Beckett as well. Centering from top to bottom looks a little off, but I think the card is rare/valuable enough to warrant getting it graded anyway.

[Anonymous No.21124271]

>>21124190
They are sleeved, I took them out to take pictures to sell them before I realized I’m never fucking selling

[Anonymous No.21124274]

>>21124184
I dont really deal with much of the newer stuff. I do a lot of buying amd selling of older Japanese promos. But those new Amazing Rares are such a good flip right now. Can buy Celebi and Rayquaza for around 15 each and flip for 30+

[Anonymous No.21124310]

>>21124235
>>>21124029
>I hope you are keeping this sleeved and top loaded anon. You should really think about getting it graded by PSA or Beckett as well. Centering from top to bottom looks a little off, but I think the card is rare/valuable enough to warrant getting it graded anyway.
This. You should really grade any rare Cahrizard.

[Anonymous No.21124319]

>>21124235
I’ll get them graded at some point, I just hate the idea of them sitting around for weeks in a warehouse before some grubby freak lays his paws all over them

[Anonymous No.21124404]

>>21124274
Yeah this is why I wanted to order in some boxes, might order another half dozen to flip. I'm really tempted to crack the box in order to get the amazing rares, but I also don't want to be saddled with a bunch of Japanese common/uncommon/rare singles. Any thoughts on that?

Still waiting to hear from the sports card side of things. As I understand it the market is doing very well for the newer stuff as it isn't overprinted to oblivion, but that is as far as I've dipped my toes in.

>>21124319
If you're storing them safely, it should be okay. There is a really long turnaround on grading services right now as well due to covid.

[Anonymous No.21124508]

>>21122084
I have a shit load of old cards from elementary school. Think they're worth anything?

[Anonymous No.21124523]

>>21124508
Post a pic

[Anonymous No.21124606]

>>21124235
It's already fucked by the looks if it. If you look closely you can see a bunch of scratches on the foil. No way it grades any higher than a PSA 7.

[Anonymous No.21124637]

>>21124404
I just buy the singles when I see good deals on them for the amazing rares. Sometimes theyre cheap enough where after fees and shipping i make a good profit

[Anonymous No.21124668]

>>21124606
Yeah I agree, and we don't know what the back looks like. But a PSA 8 is listed for $1600 CAD on ebay right now with a raw card going between $300 and $400. So if anything a PSA 7 might command a price of like $1200? $1000? Still a worthwhile investment for grading the card, and it will just go up in value as it gets older + protects it from further damage.

[Anonymous No.21124688]

>>21124606
Nah that’s the design.
And that thing at a PSA 7 still pulls over $400 kek

[Anonymous No.21124718]

>>21124668
Back isn’t flawless but there’s 0 warping
Don’t mistake the shag carpet for wear and tear

[Anonymous No.21124797]

>>21124718
There are definitely scratches on the front of the card, and the chipping on the edges along the back would give you like a beckett 6 probably. I still think it'd be worth grading though, of course.

[Anonymous No.21124880]

[Anonymous No.21125036]

>>21124880
Are these all Unlimited? If so, good pulls, especially the Underground Sea.

[Anonymous No.21125057]

>>21124797
It’ll get done at some point
Tbf I pulled that shit 8 years ago and it was jangling around in an old tin for the longest time, I’m shocked it’s not a PSA 1

[Anonymous No.21125119]

>>21124688
The scratches on the tail and neck are definitely not part of the design. Still worth grading though. There are still plenty of Charizard collectors that would buy it for good money

[Anonymous No.21125137]

>>21125036
its summer magic

[Anonymous No.21125370]

>>21125137
whoa, these are rare then, what do you reckong the value is, and what's the story on getting them?

[Anonymous No.21125394]

>>21125119
You’re right, my mistake, I’ll go off myself

[Anonymous No.21125653]

>>21125370
They aren't mine, Ive been playing since ice age (94) so I have some reserve list stuff like duals and other eternal staples, but nothing like that. I have just been part of communities where people share their insanely rare stuff. Pretty much all chase summer cards are sold privately, but there is a bgs 9.5 summer usea on cardmarket for 14k euros right now, but that price might not be correct as there are only 2 9.5s in existence and one sold for 17k usd in 2013, just to give an idea of value. Not a good reference but they rarely ever sell publicly.

[Anonymous No.21125855]

Any thoughts on the Secret Lair products for mtg. I ordered the Summer Super Drop collection, but I don't know if they're a good investment. The Theros sets haven't appreciated very much over the last few months, but maybe I'm jumping the gun.

[Anonymous No.21126100]

I hope there will be I'm
60% Silver
38% TCG sealed & PSA
2% Gold

[Anonymous No.21126124]

>>21125855
Going to be a disaster like the signature spellbook series.

[Anonymous No.21126130]

>>21125855
I personally dont buy any non reserve list cards as an investment, except first print run foils of staples. Or sealed product (like a box/ case of each new set that comes out). I dont even follow Secret lair stuff and other new premium product I don't agree with the philosophy as WOTC is shifting from not caring about the secondary market, to implicitly using it to price premium products to make even more money, meaning they are now incentivized to keep chase card prices high. But people eat it up so what do I know, that is just my personal opinion, I dont actively collect, I just keep the cards because I enjoyed playing the game.

[Anonymous No.21126197]

>>21122084
I used to play magic and I would lurk on it if this was a daily board.

I myself prefer investments with value tho.

[Anonymous No.21126228]

>>21126197
My decks were worth like 4k combined... and I did sell, didnt make money tho lmao. some cards are up and some are down because of reprints...

[Anonymous No.21126308]

>>21126130
I think just these limited products have a high potential to appreciate, just due to being limited, but priced as they are, they might just stabilize and stay around their sale price. No way to tell since Secret Lairs are a newer product. The product itself is definitely sold to induce maximum FOMO in people though.

When I started getting into magic earlier this year (just to play at first) I got a few special sets, the MLP limited box set, the Theros secret lair, the Godzilla lands and the Summer Secret Lair drop. Sadly, I opened my Theros boxes, so those aren't sealed anymore, but I learnt a lesson. So far the MLP sets have gained the most value I believe.

The Year of the Rat secret lair is selling for ~$80CAD, so that is around +33% after shipping in Canada.

>>21126197
I mostly wanted to see if /biz/ would be appropriate for these kind of threads, as I'm really interested in TCG investing atm. I'll try and make a more structured OP format, and see if we can keep this kind of thread going.

[Anonymous No.21126371]

>>21126308
>he doesn't know how to play the tcg market
It's like shooting fish in a barrel honestly. Yugioh is hot for making money.

[Anonymous No.21126507]

>>21126371
I'm already dipping in mtg, pokemon and fire emblem. No plans to get into yugioh, I just feel like I'll spread myself way too thin.

One thing I have been flipping on ebay is animal crossing amiibo cards. I bought a bunch when they first came out $6/6 card pack and have sold several for $20+. Would like to acquire more, but a booster box of series one is selling for like $1000CAD-ish.

[Anonymous No.21126625]

>>21126507
You buy MTG and Pokemon for collector's value, and YGO is like a speculative and meta-based stock market for insane gains. Think stock market vs crypto, Yugioh is currently crypto. Also I'd do that amiibo stuff very carefully stay risk managing on that shit.

[Anonymous No.21126725]

>>21122084
AAVE > pokemon + sustainability + 100x's,

[Anonymous No.21126762]

>>21126625
So what's you suggestion? Buy new sets and crack boxes for singles? I don't know anything about yugioh pretty much.

[Anonymous No.21126830]

>>21122298
This

[Anonymous No.21126870]

>>21126762
DCA high rarity/hard to find singles that could be useful in the metagame, banned cards that are good that can come off the list, or nostalgia stuff. Buyouts are common in this game so prices spike hard. Right now I'd suggest trying to buy a few SEALED World Championship celebration envelopes and hold them since it's one of the only limited print commodities that Konami has produced ever. A personal favorite of mine is also Tournament Pack type stuff, they don't print them at all anymore so it's a finite supply. I've been going in on Fiend's Sanctuary since it's one of the only unpumped TP ultra rares.

[Anonymous No.21126880]

>>21122084
Fucking anons, don't waste your time on this shit.

[Anonymous No.21127001]

we’ve got some real uppity faggots in this thread

[Anonymous No.21127039]

>>21122298
>>21126830
>letting a girl stop you from making profits
ngmi