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The momentum of the cryptocurrency space has snowballed exponentially over the past decade. Each market cycle to this point has brought a cornucopia of new strides and breakthroughs in blockchain technology. The rapid growth has led to immense profits for an uncountable number of long-term participants.

Adoption continues to spread with increased institutional backing and consumer payment channels. Indeed, all signs point to cryptocurrencies reaching a new plateau on the stage of global commerce. An essential question must be asked at this transitory junction in what appears to be the early stages of another bull market. How far will profit allow the underlying blockchain technology to deviate away from the roots of its essence and justification? There is no better source to reflect upon than the Cypherpunk Manifesto.

That which ages among the best is that which only becomes more biting and significant over time. Originally published by Eric Hughes in March of 1993, the Cypherpunk Manifesto has a short, sweet, and directly to the point message with an especially understated foresight about it that’s decades ahead of its time. It is a must-read for any digital native. It emphasizes the essence of digital privacy, decentralization, censorship-resistance/immutability, and the freedom to remain anonymous at-will. It argues that these principles be made manifest for any form of communication or commerce. Its backbone lies with every individual coder who cherishes the fruits of civil liberties and dares to counter and obsolete the many intrusive and invasive forms of technology with open-source, cryptographically effective solutions for the greater good of society.

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>>20921107
These were the principles that Bitcoin was constructed with and designed to honor. While its inherent technology stays true to this nature (mining aside), the infrastructure that has been built up around it is flawed by design and sacrifices a good number of strengths and freedoms. Most notably are the many vulnerable points of exchange run by central authorities on trust where funds are at risk to be frozen or stolen, KYC (know your customer) policies, and the traceability, restrictions, and risks that come from these two points.

Shortly after BTC found a value that could be directly pegged to the USD (and with the USD, every global currency), a number of exchanges offering trade between the two opened for business. The first of these exchanges was the infamous Mt. Gox which implemented KYC policies by 2011 before exit scamming in early 2014. KYC policies were initially introduced to comply with the many regulations regarding the exchange of various fiat currencies for crypto in addition to demanding a deeper sense of customer accountability. Up until the point that they were introduced, the only sure way it would have been possible to trace specific addresses is if the recipient publicly disclosed their wallet address. KYC brought a considerably more advanced form of traceability with it. In addition to e-mail addresses and bank accounts, everything from names, addresses, full ID info, and pictures of each and every customer became tethered to their respective deposit and withdrawal history. Though somewhat convoluted with the nature of exchange wallets, there are patterns that can be followed and traced.

As BTC continued to grow, so did the number of its forks and competing cryptocurrencies pegged to its value in satoshis. The forks grew to be numerous and with them, the number of centralized C2C exchanges where you could trade them for BTC. Like the fiat-to-crypto exchange points before them, KYC was implemented on numerous C2C exchanges as well.

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>>20921107
>>20921118
Centralized exchanges of all sorts are perhaps the weakest link in entire cryptocurrency space. They have repeatedly proven to be weak in terms of security. This year alone, the following exchanges have been compromised: Binance, Bithumb, Coinbene, Coinbin, Cryptopia, and QuadrigaCX. What’s worse, they’ve sacrificed many of the core principles of the cypherpunks that built Bitcoin in the first place.

How can crypto be censorship-resistant and immutable if exchanges can decide to freeze funds or put a certain wallet into maintenance at whim? How can it be private if every account has every bit of trade, deposit, and withdrawal history it has done tethered to its name? How can it be anonymous at-will if full documentation is demanded, sometimes as a ransom for frozen funds? How can it be secure when billions of dollars have been hijacked from weak security? It could be argued that these exchanges are the antithesis of the cypherpunks: an easily-exploitable honeypot of funds and user data with a central authority.

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>>20921107
>>20921118
>>20921130
Consider the efforts of the X9 Developers building Stakenet. True to the nature of the cypherpunks, they have been working to make these numerous vulnerabilities in the cryptocurrency infrastructure obsolete. To strengthen censorship-resistance and decentralization in this space, they have been implementing an immutable and purely decentralized exchange into their network where no central authority can freeze funds, where exit scamming is impossible, and where security is as tight as the blockchain technology it runs atop. To restore the principle of at-will anonymity, their immutable DEX will have no KYC, nor will it require registered accounts. In the interests of privacy, they have built a solution that allows for one-click TOR lightning swaps that strengthen the privacy of every participating coin and the Lightning Network itself. To strengthen the nature of the decentralized exchanges that are already out there, they are working on a DEX aggregator that pools together the offerings of many promising DEXes suffering from low volume or difficulty of use.

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>>20921107
>>20921118
>>20921130
>>20921148
Put briefly, this team has the foresight and skill to acknowledge and address the numerous risks and shortcomings that anyone coin may face the second it is sent from a private wallet to any other point in trust. They are compounding these solutions into one streamlined and convenient wallet where funds are firmly secured, trustlessly staked, and instantly tradable from one singular point.

To build up the world of cryptocurrency is to honor the ways of the cypherpunks and carry on their torch. It is to fight for freedom from the intrusiveness and corruption of centralized authorities by obsoleting them. It is preserving the privacy of funds, resisting mutability, and decentralizing any and everything which stands to benefit from it. Whether that be a store of value, the means by which that value is secured and traded, or the platforms on which these mechanisms are discussed. This era of mass-censorship, intrusiveness, digital balkanization, and monopolies from many of the premier digital spaces not only shows how right they were 26 years ago but that there is still a considerable amount of work to do.

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Based. DEX release soon.

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>Multi-Currency Wallet and Lightning Swaps — Stakenet Solution

Whilst a lot of blockchain projects are struggling with scalability and trying to prove their decentralization, Stakenet (XSN) is swiftly moving forward in creating interchain capabilities and services that will help in fulfilling its vision of a trustless profit-driven economy. In this article, we will be discussing two important pillars that we are pioneering to provide a highly secure interchain economy for cryptocurrencies and making the world free of centralization.

>Stakenet Multi-Currency Wallet

A cryptocurrency wallet is an important and integral component of the cryptocurrency universe. It is a secure digital wallet which helps in storing and transacting digital currencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum. Most of the coins and tokens have their official wallets but with changing times a lot of independent third-party wallets have surfaced providing a variety of features. Here comes the problem; for every cryptocurrency that a user holds, he also requires a wallet to store it, thus making it cumbersome for the holder to have so many wallets.

Stakenet provides a solution to this problem as Stakenet’s Masternode Network will hold databases and run full nodes of multiple blockchains allowing Stakenet to create a wallet that can securely send, receive and confirm a transaction on separate blockchains. These separate blockchains are held in the second layer which communicates with the first layer nodes providing users a single wallet which can house multiple wallets.

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>>20921365
>Lightning Swaps

With decentralization slowly finding its roots in today’s world, people are showing an inclination towards replacing centralized intermediates with decentralized ones. Although the acceptance of a complete decentralized organization is still distant, there has been the emergence of a lot of services which now help people in carrying out transactions without an intermediate party. Atomic Swaps are one of these. In simple terms, an Atomic Swap is a smart contract technology that enables the exchange of one cryptocurrency for another without using centralized intermediaries, such as an exchange.

In August 2018, we released a new Lightning upgrade along with the implementation of Lightning Network and Atomic Swaps. The combination of Lightning Network along with Atomic Swap allowed the execution of “Lightning Swap” which is an instant and nearly fee-less cross chain trade. The successful execution of Lightning Swap has taken us a step closer to our trustless one-click Lightning Swap solution which provides the user with a unique interoperable peer to peer solution that is only available with Stakenet.
To elaborate, Lightning nodes validate transactions between two separate chains. A Lightning node is an endpoint communicator that should have data from both chains. In other words, it needs to monitor both chains and thus is able to validate the transaction. With the upcoming development of the Multicurrency Wallet, Masternodes will be holding the separate chains in a decentralized manner, so you won’t need to download both chains. The Masternodes will also provide Watchtower services, so if anything goes wrong it will execute automated scripts to claim the punishment rewards.

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>>20921365
>>20921385
>Stakenet Solution

Crypto exchanges are the mainstay support for the cryptocurrency market as they allow trading of coins thus providing liquidity. Even after being such an important component of the crypto markets, most exchanges are centralized and are operated out of a single central server making them vulnerable to hacking or forced closure by the regulatory authorities. Also, once a user places a trade with a centralized exchange, their coins leave their possession and are stored with the exchange, thus making the user lose the utility and benefits that one receives from the coins. These are some of the potential risks which Stakenet aims to answer with its proposed Stakenet dx (Cross-Chain Lightning Swaps).

With important components such as the Multicurrency wallet and Lightning Swap in place, we are only a few steps away from creating this solution. There are some DEX’s which are currently operating but all of them have some vulnerabilities of centralization, whereas Stakenet would be the first to operate a completely decentralized solution which would be entirely run by Masternodes and not supported by a centralized entity.

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>>20921365
>>20921385
>>20921403
Apart from that, the other advantages of the Stakenet’s Cross-Chain Lightning Swaps are:

>The coins which the users hold never leaves them unless the transaction is completed giving them unlimited access to their coins.
>With coin in their wallets, they also benefit from all the utilities, features and staking rewards of the coin.
>The user remains anonymous as he doesn’t have to provide any Know Your Customer (KYC) details to anyone providing the user with complete anonymity and freedom to trade fearlessly.
>Not being in hands of central authorities, the Stakenet dx cannot be shut down by anyone, not even Stakenet.
>All transactions are done on a peer to peer basis without the involvement of a central authority, making the transaction more secure and less expensive as the fees are lower.

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>>20921365
>>20921385
>>20921403
>>20921417
The question is what’s the point of a native token on a chain that facilitates Lightning Swaps?
There have been two main criticisms of Lightning Network thus far:

1. Decentralization
2. Liquidity

By using the XSN native blockchain to host a one-click Lightning Swap solution, it gives the advantage of utilizing its second layer Masternode collateral to solve both of these issues.
Masternode collateral can only be achieved by using a native blockchain, since the rules need to be baked into the first layer to have secure Masternode’s in the first place, so you cannot use DApps or off-chain tokens to have the same effect or solve the problems that require a dedicated Masternode network.

With our native blockchain you will be able to take this collateral and allow Masternode owners to make that collateral work for them by generating fees from routing Lightning payments, becoming Watchtowers, holding other chains, providing Light Wallet TX broadcasting services and liquidity for the Lightning Network as a whole.
Furthermore, all major infrastructures will be built using Masternodes to provide a decentralized service without hurting normal users on the base protocol.

XSN users and owners will be rewarded accordingly via demands for XSN to set up these Masternodes or using it as a medium of exchange, because it will be one of the most liquid Lightning Networks necessary for high volume trading and general payments.

This is one of the major selling points along with other exciting capabilities our second layer will allow in the future. As new technologies regarding smart contracts, DApps, and scaling come into the scene we will also be able to uniquely solve problems that these technologies might face using the same approach we are taking with Lightning for example.

>> No.20921433

weird that is doesn't matter how many threads you make per day, the price doesn't go up. Almost like someone is selling off all their shit at 25 cent of thereabouts. wonder why

>> No.20921446

>>20921433
Price is quite stable since hardly anyone is selling. Livecoin has less than 1% of the circulating supply on it.

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>>20921365
>>20921385
>>20921403
>>20921417
>>20921429
In short, all services running on the Masternode network will generate fee’s that will be paid in XSN in one way or another. Many users may not even realize they have paid in XSN as it will all be handled by Lightning swaps in the background. For example, if someone wants to trade BTC/LTC then the fee will be initially collected in BTC, however this BTC will be converted into XSN via a Lightning Swap in the background. That XSN will then be distributed back to the MN holders for providing the services.

This will happen for every service that is run on the XSN Masternode network, such as the Privacy features and upcoming DApps. We believe this economic model will provide a constant demand for XSN with fees collected constantly being converted to XSN and then distributed back to Masternode holders.

We have also partnered with professional trader Frank Amato (current Block 5 Capital Co-Founder, Former Executive Director of JP Morgan, Former Managing Director of Bear Stearns), to help design the Stakenet dx, as he provides insights on how the one-click Lightning Swaps can meet the expectations and requirements of seasoned traders. It will have a “Pro-Trader Mode” which will serve ambitious and also seasoned retail fund investors.

>> No.20921498

its absolutely despicable these people are still trying to sell 4k USD masternodes to noobs on biz

even if the project was legit which it most certainly is not a good faith operator would not be advocating for people to put that much money down on a complete moonshot when they can DCA right now easily with already proven crypto and make tons of money

you are all the bad things about crypto and you are the cancer that is killing this forum

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Frank Amato
> Executive Director J.P.Morgan March /7 years, 1 month/
> Managing Director Bear Stearns & co. /11months/
> Vice President J.P Morgan /10 years, 4months/

XSN
> Digital money
> Decentralized
> Trust-less proof of stake

DEX
> Masternodes
> 45% block rewards
> 90% Passive income from user fees
> Almost fee-less
> No kyc
> Instant transactions 24/7
> Infinite scalability
> Decentralized
> Lightning swaps
> Cross chain proof

Stakenet has been dormant for years, during these years stakenet has constantly been working towards their product. DEX is going to released this year. They have a legit professional team with a real product. You can try the beta version for yourself. I really think it's going to be huge, I can see myself and the majority of crypto-currency using the DEX on a daily basis, its really easy to use. The best part is that you can always get the cheapest price on whatever you're investing into.

Stakenet is the future of money.

>> No.20921523

Good reads
>Whitepaper
https://stakenet.io/Stakenet_Whitepaper.pdf
>Quick rundown
https://medium.com/stakenet/multi-currency-wallet-and-lightning-swaps-stakenet-solution-7d0dafe99105
>X9's contributions to LTC
https://medium.com/stakenet/litecoin-foundation-and-x9-developers-announce-collaboration-510ca985b6
>Exertive Proof of Stake
https://medium.com/stakenet/exertive-proof-of-stake-epos-4a999807f9e4
>Great write-up of Cross Chain Proof of Stake (i.e. stake XSN, receive BTC)
https://medium.com/stakenet/posw-weekly-ccpos-cross-chain-proof-of-stake-de1ac87055cd
>The Cypherpunk Standard of Banking
https://medium.com/altcoin-magazine/the-cypherpunk-standard-of-banking-88f84a834180
>Most recent Dev Update
https://medium.com/stakenet/xsn-dev-update-july-1st-c80b1975a58

Further reads
https://medium.com/stakenet

>> No.20921542

You're unironically going to make it, if you hold a masternode in this.

>Stakenet is the third coin (Right after BTC/LTC) to implement lightning swaps on mainnet.
>They also partnered up with the Litecoin Foundation to help with lightning tech.
>They are working on their OWN Hardware Wallet- VIPER (Competing with Ledger, Trezor, and Xeeda) Which is the first crypto project EVER to work on that.
>Stakenet is soon launching a multi currency wallet with inbuilt lightning and atomic swaps (HUGE)
>Stakenet will also soon launch the first masternode powered DEX. Which requires NO registration, NO KYC, no bullshit at all.

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Stakenet DEX launch this month.

>> No.20921842

(X) I know DEFI is the entire purpose of crypto. Its why btc was created. So we can be our own bank.

(X) I know BTC did not succeed because it didn't scale and for btc to succeed now it requires lightning network. For similar reasons, I know for eth to succeed, raiden is required.

(X) I know a DEX with atomic swaps is too slow to be commercially feasible. A lightning and raiden dex is required.

(X) I know people are fearful of trading on CEX due to situations like Cryptopia and Quadriga.

(X) I know XSN is the only project with a true dex integrating lightning and raiden. It will allow people to trade peer to peer directly from their computer. They always hold their coin. Never transfer to an exchange.

(X) I know XSN has an actual working product and you can beta test it right now in a private group in discord if you ask nicely.

(X) I know XSN is not a project that talks. They just do. I don't have to worry about an exit scam.

(X) I know XSN masternodes will process transactions on the dex and will receive the fees.

If all of the above are true, my masternodes will fucking buy me a nice big boat and quit wagecucking.

>> No.20921959

its absolutely despicable these people are still trying to sell 4k USD masternodes to noobs on biz

even if the project was legit which it most certainly is not a good faith operator would not be advocating for people to put that much money down on a complete moonshot when they can DCA right now easily with already proven crypto and make tons of money

you are all the bad things about crypto and you are the cancer that is killing this forum

>> No.20921991
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you either get it or you don't. cheers to holding a XSN MN during the up coming bull run. I'm so happy.

>> No.20922024

>>20921991
we dont get it
stop posting about it noone wants it

>> No.20922056

Bunch of redditors tried to force it as /ourcoin/, during the PoSW ico phase of XSN there was a minimum requirement of 5 000 000 PoSW to enter the presale, which immediately following the exit scam got converted to XSN. Bunch of redditors from /r/AntifascistsofReddit pooled together their remaining XSN with the intent to dump it on their archenemies – the Bizraelis.

The coin continued to get shilled and pumped up and hyped for the beta dex release event. The stakenet team had a presentation in a room of like 14 people, and according to the one bizanon attending, Lorelei from Holochain was present and supposedely gave out millions of XSN coins to anybody willing to give her a foot rub. Several of the incels attending gave in, effectively placing them all amongst the top 50 XSN holders. Go ahead and check the explorer for yourself if you don’t believe me, they all received their coins on the exact same day from the same exact address. You think these simps are going to hodl for long? They are already siphoning their coins to BTC on the livecoin scam exchange. Again, all of this can be confirmed on the explorer by anybody with a keen eye for details, like myself.

The coin is HEAVILY manipulated and the supply is dried up from huge whales who got their coins for free, creating an artificially lower supply (a lot like LINK) and these people have so much room to dump on all of you faggots to still be in profit when the time comes.

In regards to the actual project that Stakenet is aiming to achieve it's nothing more than a dollar store uniswap dapp for grandpa coins like BTC and LTC. infact it already exists within uniswaps tokenized coins wBTC/wLTC, literally making stakenets whole concept pointless. You're literally just buying a roadmap, they have only 2 developers with no proven background on either, in fact yankee Ruin X was previously the social media manager at XBY where he got caught swingtrading while manipulating the market with fake twitter news

>> No.20922143

>>20921959
>>20922024
>>20922056
Thanks for the bump

>> No.20922182

>>20921107
where to buy stakenet? is it only available on pajeet scam exchanges?

>> No.20922213

>>20922182
You can buy it direct of the DEX when it launches this month

>> No.20922265

>>20922213
its august now guy you were already saying this last month did you forget
sage in all fields

>> No.20922273

>>20922265
Thanks for the bump

>> No.20922376
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>when your investment is so good that there is a team that works around the clock to falsely discredit the project and persuade people to abandon their positions, all in the aim of suppressing the price and driving it down further so that they can accumulate at the cheapest price possible before the inevitable 10,000%+ rise in price

>> No.20922416

>>20922376
except youre not a random investor with stockholm syndrome youre literally doing customer service for your shitcoin in the thread you guys just made
again

see >>20922213

>> No.20922424

>>20922376
>when a pajeet shill group creates 20 threads per day about their PND scam coin

>> No.20922433

>>20922416
>>20922424
thanks for the bump

>> No.20922560

>>20922433
ok nigga

>> No.20922608

>>20921523
You need to update the recent dev updates

https://medium.com/stakenet/xsn-core-dev-update-july-12-2020-72cac6050377
https://medium.com/stakenet/xsn-core-ledger-update-july-20-2020-a446e7f7af4

>> No.20922617

fud = bullish

never forget that.

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>>20922182
Livecoin pic related. Beaxy is coming soon, or you can wait for DEX release.

>> No.20922646

>>20921498
$5 EOY, $500 end of 2022

>> No.20922660

>>20922646
We could hit $5 this year, hell we could hit it before raiden.

>> No.20922687

>>20922265
you had 2 years to accumulate.

it's almost over - you did buy a stack, didn't you?

>> No.20922727

Is 1 MN enough bros

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>>20922727
Yes. At $1 you'll be making around $45 a week just from block rewards. As the price increase your weekly income increase. When fees are introduced to nodes in stage 3 you'll be getting even more income. Other masternode services will also be coming in the future fyi.

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>>20922727

>> No.20922800

>>20922769
can you add my revenue estimator to your pasta?
see:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Gi93zes5Gwhv8W8239fnjHFpv9YK7Z-Vg84mgE5vns/edit?usp=sharing

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>>20922769
I'm retiring the moment a masternode makes 50$ a day. Got 3 of them and a 4th almost complete. I'll be the king of the fucking NEETs, I can't fucking wait. Gonna no show at work and only answer the phone after they've been calling me for hours just to yawn down the line and tell them to fuck off.
FUCK WAGING
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK NIGGERS
and most importantly
FUCK THE FUCKING KIKES

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>>20922846
Based, XSN Chads will make it.

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>>20922762
>>20922769
Ty frens

>> No.20923009

>>20922727
Yes.

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>>20922800
Daily block rewards

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>>20922800
Monthly block rewards

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>>20922800
Daily trading fees

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>>20922800
Monthly trading fees

>> No.20923119

paid thread 2

>> No.20923144

>>20923119
thanks for the bump

>> No.20923436

SCAM!!!!!!!!

>> No.20924063

>>20923436
Thanks for the bump

>> No.20924130

>>20922846
do you have friends at work?

>> No.20924684

Amazing how these guys chase useless tech like link and Uniswap and dismiss the only project that has a working lightning and raiden dex

>> No.20924854

>>20924684
I think a lot of /biz/ are playing this card close to their chest.

>> No.20924904

>>20924854
Too bad, you had 2 years to accumulate this POSW scam.

>> No.20924971

>>20924904
thanks for the bump

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>>20924971
>He thinks I was fudding

>> No.20925011

>>20924982
sorry anon, on autopilot now. just trying to keep schizo awake

>> No.20925065

>>20925011
Checked.

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>> No.20925275

>>20925252
HAHAH HE IS WAITING FOR 2 YEARS FOR HYDRA LAUNCH

>> No.20925299

>>20925275
thanks for the bump

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>>20925299
Checked. CZ IS SEETHING.

>> No.20925349

>>20925299
>sage doesn't give you a bump you dumb newfag
but one serious question, why dafuq would anyone use their DEX when you have bancor and uinswap kyber etc. muh lightning atomic swaps NICEEE bro you still pay 0.25 % trading fee to MN hahahhHAHAHA

>> No.20925372

>>20925349
Those are On-Chain DEXs, they have congestion and high fees. XSN DEX is Off-Chain on lightning/Raiden, this allows for lows fees and fast speeds.

>> No.20925396

>>20925349
thanks for the bump

>> No.20925434

>>20925372
wrong, you know that you still pay 0.25% fee and you also pay for renting the lighning channel even though it is cheap. other dexes right now just have a transaction cost which means you could trade 50M and pay 1 tx fee not a % ahahah

>> No.20925449

>>20925434
thanks for the bump

>> No.20925465

>>20925396
>>20925449

>doesn't know saging
ok curry new nigga

>> No.20925494

>>20925434
Gas frees on uniswap are fucking massive. 0.25% is tiny and is subject to change as the DEX is adopted. Channels/Rentals can be left open for periods of time.

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>>20925494
revolutionary stuff HAHAHAHAHAHAA
remember hydra will be live in 2022 when noone uses your shit and xsn is dead in the bear market HAHAHAHA

>> No.20925551

>>20923037
Nice

>> No.20925582

Wtf I wanna be a cyberpunk masternode neet now

>> No.20925617

>>20925349
I've tried telling people that the only way they'll get large adaptation is by lowering the fees on the dex trading to minimal amounts. Like, lower than 0.01% type low. Maybe even lower than that. Cause no one is going to leave lightning network channels opened for a long time, and also also no one will send more than couple hundred dollars through lightning. Apart from maybe some normies who have no idea how unsecure lightning is. The dex idea is no doubt cool as fuck, but the masternode neet meme (especially the 1 MN make it stack) is just plain wrong.

But, the huge sells walls from whales will stop the price going that high anyway.

>> No.20925648

>>20925539
>2022
By 2022 you'll be long swinging on a rope. Hydra will take 1 year at a maximum.

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>>20925617
Cz what are you doing here?

>> No.20925758

>>20925673
That picture is so unbelievably stupid dude. You're the type of person to have shit stains on your bedsheets and not give a fuck.

This is why you're shill group hasn't fit in here. You post these weird obscure memes and assume all FUD is from CZ. When that dude literally gives zero fucks about this. You tried to learn your audience and figured out everyone wants PASSIVE INCOME FROM THE NODES. But you never learned that we run on memes here. Even tendies pulled a higher pump in the last week from just having an anime girl in the posts.

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>>20925758
AHAHAHAHAHHA Cz confirmed. ABSOLUTELY SEEEEEEEETHING

>> No.20925864

>>20925778
Can you take your pills and have a normal conversation here or are you just gonna sit and screech autistic?

Once again proving why all your threads turn to shit after 50 posts. There's like 2-3 people from your community that are open to discussion. The rest of you are just super duper low iq retards man, sorry.

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>>20925864
Seethe.

>> No.20925915

>>20925864
>>20925758
Damn so many spelling mistakes on my part. My bad.

>> No.20925929

>>20925758
they are redditors
they will never understand it

>> No.20925950

>>20925915
>>20925929
Thanks for the bump.

>> No.20925970

>>20925617
I have literally had this same discussion with you several times and refuted you conclusively yet you just keep posting this 'argument'

>> No.20926000

I am going to keep a thread like this running 24/7 until you fudsters are bleeding from the eyes

>> No.20926039

>>20926000
my eyes are already bleeding from like 20 xsn shill threads today

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>>20926039
good. stay cucked nostaker

>> No.20926144

>>20925970
Actually the other day you had it with another anon lol. It was the same thing I posted like 3 weeks ago, but he said it. I was like woah, this is crazy. Was a good conversation, actually.

>> No.20926287

>>20925617
>Cause no one is going to leave lightning network channels opened for a long time
How much would it cost, surely not higher than the fees/gas I pay when trading on uniswap, probably in the hundreds now for 25 trades.

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>>20925673
>>20925778
>>20925970
>>20926000
>pajeets seething so hard they're having shizo episodes

>> No.20927132

>>20925864
Lack of good discussion is indeed a serious problem. But it's not unique to XSN- shills at all.

>> No.20927388

>>20927132
i usually only post in these threads if I have the mental capacity to offer good quality posts or provide insight to anons who are try to learn about it. otherwise i just lurk if im too busy

>> No.20927511

>thinking Hydra will take years
kek
It might take a few months.
I'd be surprised if it isn't finished by EOY.

>> No.20928045

A lot of toxic people here without a live. XSN is a long term investment, the team delivers more than they promise. There's no need to rush or be impatient. Let de developers work and enjoy the ride for years to come.