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>> No.19714897
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>>19714798
I'd like to see the average bachelor holder that makes north of $100K a year on their first job out of school. It's not my fault you didn't apply yourself

>> No.19714907

TOPS or bust.

>> No.19714954

>>19714897
what are those smaller payments for? prostitution? looks fishy.

>> No.19714963

>>19714954
Subletting, which is basically prostitution yes

>> No.19714965

There has to be a massive dump on everything Monday. Way too much fucking retard money has entered the market

>> No.19714977

>>19714965
The trouble is the retard money just keeps coming

>> No.19714979

Less than 24 hours bois!

>> No.19714996
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Really makes you think.

>> No.19715004

>>19714996
Antitrust is coming for the big boy eventually. Wait until apple is divided into seven new companeis

>> No.19715005

>>19714996
*from 2018 fyi.

>> No.19715006

>>19714965

If you look out to q4 its not retard money.

>> No.19715014
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>>19711000
just post in old thread but..

As to what others have said..just do the research and do long calls for a bit. I have been taking my notes for the past week and doing "fake"/simulated trades via Thinkorswim. I absolutely do not fully understand the "math" and theory behind a lot of the technical analysis, and am just following along with what various traders have taught me (e.g. buy when line X crosses line Y..don't worry about what the lines mean anon..). The intention is to do more fake trades, verify all this shit mostly / somewhat works, and then understand it in depth more.

Beyond anything else I recommend reading this book. One interesting point the author mentions is that arguably by all of us following these technical analysis "rules"...everything becomes a self fulfilliny proficy. The numbers GO UP because everyone is following along to the rules, whether they actually work / represent reality or not. Neat point.

https://www.philstockworld.com/pdf/stockandoptiontrades.pdf

Pic is of some notes of mine..

It seems to be the case that when it comes to options, yes stick to big companies, and really just focus on technical analysis (as opposed to fundamental analysis). Can anyone who does options comment further on this? What buy and sell signals do you prefer?

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dropping a couple hunnies on NRGU. IM GONNA MAKE IT

>> No.19715022

>>19714866
>break the pasta in half
Heresy

>> No.19715030
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>>19714965
Robinhoodies do nothing to the prices sometimes.

https://robintrack.net/

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Is there a name for this kind of UI?

I want to see price candles + volume in real time like this crypto app shows me, but I want it for stocks.

I'm trading on Robinhood since other exchanges have shit UIs but RH's charts also suck.

I ask because I work from home and I want to have one screen with price + volume so I can tell when big moves are actually happening.

Bonus I guess if they can show me moving averages.

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>>19714979
I'm 100% in cash. Waiting to re-enter.

>> No.19715050

new zealend opens first so i guess nzx index is best to check if it's looking bearish or bullish this week.

>> No.19715054

>>19715039
any good brokerage will provide this, TDameritrade's thinkorswim is a good choice

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>>19715014
Tlwr

>> No.19715060

>>19715030
This doesn't tell you how much volume was sold off by Robinhood users though.

Maybe the total amount of shares held by RH users actually increased during that time.

>> No.19715064

God damn I hate the summer here. Once i've made it, i'm moving to a desert where there's no pollen.

>> No.19715079

>>19715064
go to a farmers market, find hippy selling local honey. put honey in ass. allergies fixed

>> No.19715081

>>19715064
are you in the states? I've always wanted to move to Arizona, I went there once and loved it. Phoenix was OK (big sprawl of a city..I'm an east coast guy), Tucson and Flagstaff were neat. I went in August and it felt like I was in an oven.

>> No.19715102

>>19715060
Sure. But the fact remains that the number of greater fools on robinhood decreased.

>> No.19715104

whata happening tomorrow? what are the futures saying about US markets?

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>> No.19715127

>>19715049
95% Cash. What should I invest in of there is a dump on Monday? I was bull on airline/cruises but I might wait until later this year to get in.

>> No.19715132

>>19715054
Thanks!

>> No.19715139

>>19715127
gold, long term puts or sell short.

>> No.19715140

Kek. No student debt cause I didn't go to start with. Maybe I make shit salary but at least my job is easy as fuck, I've got good benefits, I can retire a hell of a lot sooner than most people (and not do the whole FIRE thing either) and I've got no debt other than a house. So while others are ass deep in debt and having to work till age 65 before retirement I'll be kicking back at age 48 or 50 worrying about nothing. (I'm 37 now). So its whatever floats your boat man. Personally I'd rather enjoy 15 or more years of life v.s wasting it working. I don't deal with any stress at work. I don't have to deal with any real paperwork shit, I don't have to deal with upper management at all. In short I got it made. 80,000 total now, soon I'll have 100,000 with that ball growing till I'm dead. (I make 27,000 now). Not bad for a dude who doesn't have a college degree to his name.

>> No.19715142

>>19715132
Check the small print for extra fees for real time data.

>> No.19715144

>>19715127

Wait to see if we take out march lows at least before buying in. Personally I think we're heading to s&p 2k

>> No.19715150

>he didnt buy the dip on thursday

>> No.19715156

>>19714907
I have shitloads of shares and have given the TOPS gods many ritual sacrifices.

>> No.19715158

>>19715104
We don’t know yet

>> No.19715161

>>19715004
there are very specific conditions under which antitrust can be implemented. I don't see Apple or Amazon being vulnerable to them. Maybe Google, but they are the biggest shills for the establishment, and will be protected.

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>>19715132
>>19715142
real-time trading via Thinkorswim is free (at least for me, see pic)

also TDAmeritrade is doing some server maintenance until 2p EST today

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Why are inverse ETFs so shit compared to leveraged ETFs? Leveraged ETFs work as advertised even on long periods of time historically. I looked and simulated many scenarios, no failure on any timeframe worth mentioning. Meanwhile inverse ETFs just seem borderline uncorrelated to the underlying. Underlying goes down, they go down. Underlying goes up, they go down. What?
Here is DRIP vs GUSH for example. Same ETF owners, same leverage, different direction.
DRIP is red while GUSH is blue.

>> No.19715199

>>19715104
Weekend trading is down 200 points already which is odd. I've never seen it down that much. And yeah I know the weekend gambling is even more bullshit than futures which are already bullshit enough

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>>19715194
I don't think it's an artifact of compounding either. This is the annual return (subject to far less compounding to the total curve), yet it exhibits the same problem pattern. Shorting GUSH and longing DRIP do not at all represent the same curves.

>> No.19715209

post your trading strategy and timeframe or you're a fucking pussy.

>> No.19715217

>>19715194
Leveraged commodity ETFs just bleed retail money because they are almost fighting contango or backwardation.

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>>19715205
Same as the first graph, but this time the orange line is short GUSH.

>> No.19715224

>>19715127
Here i am holding high leveraged calls on AAL.

>> No.19715225

>>19715111
Will these faggots ever shut up about this nonsense?

>> No.19715241

>>19715209
Spin the bottle buy or sell selection and hold period from a basket of stocks chosen by my pet geckos.

>> No.19715246

>>19715049
I shorted the market in Mar/April then went back to cash,. I have recently been starting to reopen my short positions in these last few weeks.

>> No.19715253
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>>19715217
That same pattern applies to non-commodity ETFs though, admittedly not as bad in most cases but still. Here is TQQQ, SQQQ, and short SQQQ respectively.

>> No.19715255

>>19715209
my strategy is to buy stocks whose prices get sunk for reasons like the nothingburger flu, or whatever unsubstantiated reason my occur and hold them til about June of 2024 right before trump leaves office

>> No.19715264

>>19715209
buy meme stocks posted on /biz/ and hold for 3-6 months because i'm too stupid and lazy to make money day trading

>> No.19715266

>>19715209
I just ask my 10 year old son for stock picks

>> No.19715269

>>19714866
What's this from? I've seen another comfy webm of her putting up a tent and starting a fire

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>>19715253
Hey would like to invest in a random number generator?

>> No.19715276
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I open new robinhood accounts and buy 100 of whatever robinhood gives me for free

>> No.19715303

>>19715209
Buying distressed companies for long term recovery. Selling half when they 2x. This has happened to almost every pick I've made. Proceeds go into new picks or into a separate account for broad etfs.

>> No.19715312

>>19715194
>>19715253

Because there is cost to margin. Leveraged ETFs are not some magical instrument they have to pay interest and have borrowing costs on their positions. So if the price doesn't move fast enough up or down the interest or other costs slowly bleed them. And these costs go up when markets are volatile making their objectives even harder to meet during the few times they would be really profitable. They are for people who want to speculate on big moves but don't have a big boy account with margin or futures.

>> No.19715321

redpill me on TVIX. bought two shares friday may buy more

>> No.19715324

>>19715209
Currently looking at TQQQ long + DFEN short in a 2:1 ratio, 10 years time horizon. DFEN shouldn't be bought until it goes back up however.

>>19715274
Oof!

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>>19715156
I'm buying 200 more shares on Monday

>> No.19715338

>just found out about BlackRock

what's the deal with this company?

>> No.19715343

>>19715049
i pumped in 20 k last week and I wait for crash to pump in antother 60k

>> No.19715350

Asian markets are showing lower futures

>> No.19715363

>>19715274
to be fair it seems to range pretty consistently between i want to say $380 and $180.

>> No.19715366

>>19715350
go for India

>> No.19715368

>>19715156
>>19715331
Is this the next pajeet pennystock shill?

>> No.19715379

>>19715049

good luck,

i'm 50/50

Idk about corona wave 2... is there any resources to determine the rate of testing vs the new cases? if testing is now accessible for people then 1000 new cases a day doesn't seem so bad if people are getting tested, self quarantining, etc.

I think a bigger issue is when the unemployment benefits dry up - unless everyone's ready to hop into their Fulfillment by Amazon cage to get these orders out on time.

>> No.19715391

>>19715209
I just buy American tech stocks or tech ETFs every time I get paid. Timeframe is long.

>> No.19715409

>>19715338
i dono, but I bought the top.

>> No.19715410

>>19715140
nice larp faggot

>> No.19715412

>>19715312
>Because there is cost to margin.
I can get 1.55% on margin for small positions (and 0.85% for very large positions). The inverse ETF already has a higher MER than non-inverse. As you saw in the graphs though even when the price moves greatly, the inverse either moves IN THE SAME DIRECTION or not at all/barely. Second point on first graph is a good example. The spikes around 2007 work as well. Or 2008. Or the completely off pattern of 2020 where it goes to the moon while the non-inverse moves very slowly.
Conversely, you can see it's relatively tracking correctly when shit is not moving, the opposite of what your statement seems to imply.

>> No.19715416

>>19715140

congrats, I feel like the lack of 8 hours of sleep for people in their 20s-30s, plus the stress of keeping up with the normies and your wage life is absolutely destructive for a lot of people.

keep up your health/fitness/diet and god speed

>> No.19715423

>>19715391
This works. March-may has been a great entrypoint for longterm. Buy and hold is gonna be good through 2022 imo.

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>>19715022
yeah you go all in on RTX then

>> No.19715442

>>19715368
Research yourself, I just like boats and shipping because it's the next coolest thing to trains for autistic folks such as myself

>> No.19715447

>>19715416
>keeping up with the normies
I got off all social media (I guess defined defined as Facebook, Snapchat, these sorts of things) a few years back and I feel so much better

>keep up your health/fitness/diet
amen

>> No.19715448

>>19715303

what do you look for in 'distressed' companies and their strategies moving forward. do you need a change 'top down' structure wise, cash infusions from outside groups / debt financing to restructure, or just meme tier levels of fail where nothing has systemically impacted the company, but rather a black swan like event has botched their short term success (look up warren buffett buying amex because the CEO was found as a pedo)

>> No.19715453

>>19715423
Got a bunch of Facebook at a good price during the dip, but of course you always wish you had more cash on hand to buy.

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>>19715209
Buy stocks I like the name of and/or memes posted on /smg/.

Kosmos is the name of my favourite Greek restaurant so naturally I also own KOS

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19715460

So I wanna get out of Robinhood. Can anyone recommend a good online broker similar to Robinhood?
$0 fees, no account minimum, no annual fees, no taking out funds fee, no option fees?

I was looking at TD Ameritrade and Etrade. Any advice?

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>>19715454

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>>19715442
>Research yourself
Thanks for clearing that up.

>> No.19715481

>>19715460
TD Ameritrade and it's thinkorswim program is very nice. Fees are good, but you cannot escape options fees. I believe tastytrade has the lowest options fees. Someone confirm please.

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Treatment is getting much better and age of infected is going down. Very interesting trends.

There was a spike in infections very late into may but it seems to be mostly in young who survive it.

>> No.19715489

>>19715460

TD is getting bought out by Schwab, some people are cautious because they like the TD platform and tools but Schwab tends to lean customer centric and is overall a rather low cost firm.

Fidelity will also probably be good, and of course Vanguard, but Vanguard will probably be the clunkiest overall and a bit of a cluster fuck on the customer service end of things

>> No.19715498

>>19715454
I call this the PWI, pink wojak index

Things that are being shilled here that inevitably lose every holder all their money

KOS
SSL
IVR
MITT
CHK
LK
RTX
DHT


What am I missing

>> No.19715500

>>19715460
Ibkr lite or pro for large margin

>> No.19715508

>>19715209
get tipoffs from trader friends/biz/stocktwits and then look at the chart and fundamentals to guesstimate if it is overvalued. If it seems not retarded start scaling in. Hold for 1-6 months. Also starting to get into dividends and dividend ETFs

>> No.19715512

>>19715487

is there any info to determine the rate of testing too?

in march unless you were hacking up a lung it was basically "you probably have covid but your symptoms are minor, stay inside for 2 weeks"

now you should be able to get tested if you feel you have symptoms but aren't sure

>> No.19715516

>>19715209
I found some obscure game theory literature which suggests various momentum and mean reversion strategies which can be used to maximize the rate of wealth growth without having to make any assumptions about the distribution of returns.

>> No.19715518

>>19715479
Invest now. You'll be sitting on a gold mine.
/biz/ is sleeping on this moon.

>> No.19715537

>>19715479
Go out and party with your friends, go to church, the pandemic is over friend

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Bobo here, how are my JAN/DEC puts going to do. Big drop after peak in march/april is me cashing out some of my gains btw.

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Any dividend stocks you guys recommend?

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>> No.19715557

>>19715338
It's a shady asset manager that swooped up unimaginable amounts of things post GFC and now has a massive empire of assets. They have algos that do stuff too.

>> No.19715559

Does anyone here use Schwab? Ive been using Robinhood for a while, but am sick of the server issues in the morning.

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>>19715498
>What am I missing
Your brain.

>> No.19715567

>>19715560
ayo found the IVR bag holder

>> No.19715577

>>19715516
Gonna make it. The people who speculate on tickers because they feel like it will go up or paste news articles that pander to fear and stupidity will be slaves forever.

>> No.19715587

>>19715512
Yeah there are legit increases from reopen. As good as national numbers are getting there are more cases in certain states, but not something we will shut down over.

Also the increases are pretty natural. Ppl use variable editing aka total hospitalization instead of new hospitilizations daily to scare monger.

The spike is abating in those states too.

>> No.19715588

>>19715551
Big MO

>> No.19715611

>>19715551
Take the natural gas pill

>> No.19715618

>>19715611
brap stonks?

>> No.19715623

>>19715004
They will just be given a slap on the wrist and pay a fine. Google already brushed off a $1B+ fine from the EU over antitrust. They are one of the biggest lobbying corps there is.

>> No.19715625
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Here is texas

Note: data is aggregated unevenly. So the results on one day can be 10 days of random backlog, which accounts for weird daily spikes.

>> No.19715632

>>19715498
RTX isn't even bad, people are just expecting a blue chip to act like a penny stock and getting mad when it doesn't.

>> No.19715646

>>19715623
EU fines of foreign companies are less about promoting competitiveness, and more like protection money paid to the mob.

>> No.19715649

>>19715625

https://healthweather.us/

You can see the increase in temps recorded via kinsa thermometers

>> No.19715653

>>19715448
>rather a black swan like event has botched their short term success
This mostly, most of my recent (since march) buys have been household name brand companies hit hard by covid or the lockdowns, simple I know but it has been pretty successful, probably because everyone in retail had the same idea. I also have a significant holding in a bunch of reits just because they were pretty much all multi beggars on the 1y chart. Every single one has since doubled so I'll hang on to the 50% remaining hold on those long term. Some speculation plays have been Luckin, JCP and Hertz but I slap a 25% trailing stop on those the second I buy, even then they were good for quick pump. I am normally a conservative value investor but right now the market is acting like crypto, so I am trading it as such.

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>>19715498
This is my current /biz/ stinker index
You need a lot of biopennys

>> No.19715669

>>19715487
>>19715553
>>19715625

Who cares, covid is not why the economy is crashing, just an excuse for politicians to blame things on.

>> No.19715671

>>19715460
Trading212

>> No.19715675

Slowly waking up

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/14/the-past-three-months-have-proved-it-the-costs-of-lockdown-are-too-high?

>> No.19715688

>>19715460
Etrade has a garbage UI that hasn't been updated in 15 years, I recommend TD.

>> No.19715694

>>19715625

Perfect, thank you.

I was talking with a friend about this and I argued that it was now going to be a fear mongering of a second wave without any basis of a genetic mutation that is worse than what we started with.

They were arguing that more people having it is going to compound the rate of resurgence but I think there's still some societal pressure to stay in if you're sick, or if you're conscious about it - wearing your mask, being mindful of what you touch and to not touch your face, etc.

If the rate of these detected cases are growing in numbers I think it may be more due to people giving up on the social distancing, masks, etc completely and if people get scared they'll just fall back into using those methods again.

I think the wave of unemployment CARES ending this summer is more concerning than these infection numbers now.

>> No.19715730

>>19715653

Thank you for the info, I agree with that and like the idea of cashing out what you put in at a certain point and holding the rest as a value buy

>> No.19715760

>>19715015
how long of a play is this

>> No.19715771

>>19715694
Depends if you are truly logical we shouldnt have ever shutdown. Have to factor in the insanity of people to all of this.

The mob doesnt understand economics and masssively supported lockdown in early polls because they dont understand 6 month later they will be homeless.

Over 85% thought they wouldnt lose their job after reopen kek.

Now that more see economic reality re closing is near impossible, including dem states seeing econ shortfalls.

Small business america is dead for years

>> No.19715790

>>19715771
>Small business america is dead for years
Not like that wasn't the case before. Small and mid caps have been left behind by the Megacaps Fagmanz

>> No.19715801

>>19715790
the internet was a mistake

>> No.19715811

>>19715771
>Small business america is dead for years
It was already on life support. There was no saving it in the first place. COVID just killed them earlier than expected.

>> No.19715816

>>19715790
What is z

>> No.19715820

>>19715771
So there is risk to economy because blue leaders are idiot political agents and will extend shutdown for posturing reasons. Though the increase poverty just helps fed and stimulus. If positioned right over next three years this is easy money

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MSGS

>> No.19715831

>>19715801
The only reason worth living is the prospect of: the extension of life, and space exploration. The former being necessary for the latter.

>> No.19715836

So I’m looking at some technical analysis of MRNA, not a pro at this but I bought in on Friday and expect a pump Monday based on meme lines. Quite a bit of volume spike wednesday-friday and last time that happened it went up $10. Anyone else looked at this?

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Can we have green at open and red at close tomorrow?

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>>19715816
Zoom of course
Natural extension of Facebook's valuation considering it still gets 98+% of its revenue from digital advertising

>> No.19715856

>>19715831
Based and red pilled!

>> No.19715859

>>19715771

Yeah, at first I figured it would make more sense to relocate and isolate the 60+ crowd if possible.

I think the biggest fear was the rate of infection compounding to a point where the health care system was not in any capacity to meet a worse case demand scenario. On the other hand, I also thought March 1st we should've nipped it in the butt with an immediate lockdown which would've been ridiculous but probably better than this dragged out process.

Big biz got to eat off of the crisis and fear.

The furloughs have been my favorite because you are seeing people claim fear of Covid as a reason to not return the work. May be legitimate if you're going to use relatives / loved ones as a shield but I imagine getting benefits plus an extra $600 weekly is too comfy. Who wouldn't want 80-90% of their pay and not do anything?

>> No.19715860

>>19715853
zoom is going through the floor the only real question is when

>> No.19715864
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>>19715845
not quite

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>>19715853
no

>> No.19715867

>>19715790
Yeah its great. It accelerated the future trends. I think its bullish in that the changes are all positive to longterm economy.

Forced people to change behaviors that had been slowly changing.

>> No.19715871

>>19715416
people really underestimate the value of the simple life. minimalistic living is what allowed me to quit my day job and just day trade for a living. just figure out how few materialistic things you need to be happy in life, the fewer the better (not including the necessities of course i mean what you need to be happy beyond that)

too many people fall into the trap of materialism and chasing bullshit that doesn't matter. gotta be realistic.

>> No.19715876

>>19715209
Bogle boomer strategy plus a few pet stocks.

>> No.19715881
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>>19715209
Strategy: ANIME
Time frame: ???????????????

>> No.19715884

>>19715859
The post unemployment insurance job hunt crush will be insane.

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>>19715688
15 YEARS BRO?!!? das a long fuckin time manee

>> No.19715909
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19715909

Someone recommended this video yesterday, watched it and it's fucking great: https://youtu.be/l5MESwPEmnc

I'll add one to the mix, a must-see for traders: https://youtu.be/--H8SY334Zw

>> No.19715927

>>19715209
30% PM's
15% Penny Oil Gambles
55% Long Game

>> No.19715931

>>19715694

People underestimated how cut thought businesses would be. Everyone thought, ok we'll all lock down for a few weeks and cut each other some slack around debt, etc. so companies would keep employees on the payroll. Nope, companies were essentially like fuck you I got my dime and laid everyone off day 1. There wasn't even a period of pretending to keep people on. And it wasn't like big businesses did this. Small businesses laid everyone off immediately. Even when you got the small business assistance like PPP based on keeping people employed they still laid everyone off then bitched about it until the government updated the rules to allow more people to get laid off.

>> No.19715938

>>19715871

Do you follow any content for that mindset? I've got some podcasts I listen too where people pretty much agree with that line of thinking.

I remember seeing some short Japanese lady that was a huge hit in redoing peoples lives and getting rid of their shit that didn't matter to them.

I have way too many people in my circle that get hyped for being smart about finances and making changes to their lives for the better... and then later talking about how sweat a new BMW will be when their vehicle craps out.

>> No.19715950

>>19714996
Late stage capitalism in one photo.

>> No.19715976
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REAL TALK about NIO

all bullshit aside, what actually happened like a month ago is that Nio flatlined - they wallet was gone and theyhad to be not-really-but-really nationalized by the chinese government
>we give you bunch of money, but now u our bitch, move all your assets from "Nio" to "Nio China" or we collect
we all agree?
So...is this good or bad news for Nio stock?

I think it's bad cause the stock is now just a front, a puppet, a vestigial organ whose fate and value are at a mercy of our chinese overlords and they can decide to get rid of it if they dont want us part of the actual company

>> No.19715979

>>19715909
Check out Mike Malony

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_1pwsm5LY

>> No.19715996

>>19715931

Lol our organization promised to keep everyone afloat (with the idea being that this would all be over soon...) and then the furloughs keep after a pay period.

Now people are using covid as a crutch to not return because they've got a nice deal with CARES. Personally, I'd hop back into work if WFH is not possible because there's going to be quite a stir up once companies don't take back people furloughed... especially if they refused to return when requested.

>> No.19716000

Been doing pretty well from AYX, CARR, and RTX. Anything else worth accumulating?

>> No.19716003

>>19715859
This second wave you'll see a bottom up lockdown vs a top down lockdown. Old and frail will be petrified to leave their residences. Nursing homes all over the country are death traps

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>>19715979
Yeah his stuff is great too

>> No.19716008

>>19715927
Which penny oil gambles are you looking at?
I'm looking for penny silver, gold, platinum mining operations

>> No.19716015

>>19715675
Daily reminder this lockdown was unprecedented in the history of western civ and was basically western democratic governments following the lead of a communist dictatorship.

>> No.19716017

>>19715881
I'm all in anime even everyone knows it's only negative expected value

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>>19715551
>>19715611
>>19715618
Pembina Pipeline all day every day. I cashed out last week but after things calm down I'm going back in. They do gas as well.

>> No.19716025

>>19715668
how is gnus a stinker, it was shilled on /biz/ around $1 or under. tons of opportunity with that one.

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i sold and i am in cash now i fucking hope it dips more
i have a feeling i fucked up

>> No.19716037

>>19716000
DIS puts.

>> No.19716038

>>19715194

Contango/backwardation...

>> No.19716039

>>19716015
Mass stupidity. But the people wanted it too. Many democratic leaders had to because of popularity.

We have an extreme reaction population because of media and social media.

>> No.19716051

>>19714996
They control information. For every politician who would regulate them, they know your internet searches, text messages, emails, photos, and locations. Their machine learning algorithms know your next move before you do. They know exactly what to say and what buttons to push to manipulate you to get their way. Resistance is futile.

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>>19715338
The loominaty bro

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>>19715845
How about red at open and red at close tomorrow?

>> No.19716073

>>19716039
Aka explaining long term economic damage and other cause of deaths being worse over time doesnt work.

The media already set narrative and everyone on social media is already on 4 antidepressants and antianxiety meds.

>> No.19716079

>>19715976
Hmm... yea this Nio China thing has me wary too. I was hoping to moon mission that stock but you cant trust China, China is asshoe.

>> No.19716095

>>19716079
You cant invest i to china. Even if they win the stocks wont appreciate. Its a scam.longterm.

>> No.19716102

It amazes me how many ignorant traders come to this general. People that know absolutely about stocks or trading posting all the time. There must be a constant influx of people ready and willing to lose their money, giving up and leaving, and being replaced by new traders again.

>> No.19716103

>>19716051
>they know your internet searches, text messages, emails, photos, and locations.
Don't be a dumbass and take pride in what you say/believe. Even Trump turned the "fuck her in the pussy" comments into a positive thing, any other politician would have committed suicide.

>> No.19716104

>>19716026
What exactly is the advantage of cashing out instead of just making bearish plays? This is probably stupid question

>> No.19716115

>>19716025
>how is gnus a stinker

Oh no no no...

Top of his head status: Unable to be looked at because he fucking bought gnus and got scalped.

>> No.19716118

>>19715760
holding til fall or 40% gainz

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>>19714866
I'm re-entering the market this week. Budget is $2000.

Rate my plan.

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19716135

New dead nigger = Green Monday and fresh 52wk highs. remember to buy buy buy your favorite "stonks".

>> No.19716142

>>19716102
How much have you made in stocks?

>> No.19716150

>>19716115
i didn't buy genius at all faggot, even though we heard about it 1 month ago in the pennystocks thread.

>> No.19716158

>>19715516
Do you have any sources on said literature?

>> No.19716159

>>19716051
>blah blah pseudo smart conspiracy theory drivel
theyre on top because they make hardware/software that we all happen to use, each of which is easily cloneable and replaceable, there is only one magical ingredient and that is getting people to switch from platform A to platform B

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>>19716123
you forgot the bag for all of your losses, add another $50.

>> No.19716168

>>19716095
You want china exposure from foreign companies / countries not chinese companies.

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>>19716135
Unironically bullish

>> No.19716187

>>19716123
>buying the top

Don’t fucking buy SPY you autistic
Or NVDA

>> No.19716197

>>19715669
Exactly this. It is a fucking meme virus. But you simply cannot have a banking crisis every 10years or people might start to think that the current system sucks and has flaws.

>> No.19716199

>>19716187
Nvda eoy will be over 400

>> No.19716200

So do we trade at 2800 for a few months just to make the right shoulder or do you think people sniff that out and we go down?

>> No.19716203

>>19716104
If you're thinking of puts or inverse ETFs, you would have to actively watch them before your gains went to 0. I can't be on the computer 24/7 next week.

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>>19716135
Tech stoks are best IMO
Virtually immune to this "2nd wave" woowoo
STRENGTH IS STRENGTH

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19716239

If l post my webull invite, would anybody use it?

>> No.19716240

>>19716218
You get it

>> No.19716267

>>19716200
I think the bull case is hysterical. An argument that the market must rise in spite of fundamentals because of money printing. But I also think the bear case looking for a second crash forgets how much of the march crash was accelerated by needing money on hand.
It makes no sense that corporate profits have stagnated since 2018 and that the market would rise and exceed that level again when they are even worse. But also there will be piles of dead Boomers before quarantines are reenacted because of how overleveraged with debt everything is.
I can see a case of a crab around the 2018 level or worse, a slow bleed until Q2/3 2021. Imagine a week over week average of -0.2%. Then everybody is mad.

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>>19714996
This doesn’t make sense.

Visa is 410 billion, and Facebook is 650 billion. How does visa only rank as one of those tiny slices on the left side?

410 isn’t even half the size of 650? I don’t think so Tim.

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19716278

What will you do if futures show a big green spike?

I'm generally apathetic when it comes to losing my money, as it's just part of the game, but with the size of the bet I have on Monday being red I feel anxious.

>> No.19716292

>>19716267
Higher pe ratios due to other factors is fundamentals.

>> No.19716310

>>19714907
How high is it gonna get?

>> No.19716312

>>19715004
Won't happen. Everytime they try they use excuses like 'this shit company nobody's heard of is making products that totally competes with us, guys! Not a monopoly!!". Also, paid politicians and judges.

>> No.19716313

>>19716197
>But you simply cannot have a banking crisis every 10years or people might start to think that the current system sucks and has flaws

But it does and people know that. They just tolerate it because it'll be such a burden to replace it.

>> No.19716316

>>19716268
Yeah that makes no sense.

>> No.19716318

>>19715518
V interested anon, shill me more

>> No.19716321

>>19714866
What is everyone’s thoughts on GNUS ? Be honest . Will I ever get my money back or should I eat the losses and dump my shares?

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KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
>KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
>KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
>KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
>KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
>KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
>KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
>KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT
KUDLOW: THE WH WOULD NOT SUPPORT RENEWING EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JULY - NYT

>> No.19716339

>>19716104
Less risky

>> No.19716342

>>19716038
When you short the leveraged bull etf, you don't have this problem.

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>>19716268
Damn it and I just realized her thong is on over her garterstraps. That doesn’t make sense either, does it? Or is that how it’s done, so you don’t have to undo your garterstraps every time you need to pee?

>> No.19716385

>>19716292
>Higher pe ratios due to other factors is fundamentals.
That was the argument pressed in 2018. It's now 2 years later with depressed Q2-4 earnings for 2020 with the Fed basically saying in no uncertain terms that they think we get back to where we "were" in 2022. And that would assume that these companies invest in themselves rather than buybacks (which have a greater ROI because of demand shock and depressed prices). I expect behavior like this from shitcoins, not publicly traded companies.
Most of the "mainstream" financial analyst bull case is now literally TINA. The bond market has not been pleased or shifted its thinking since March. The sugar rush is real.

>> No.19716386

>>19715551
Vig

>> No.19716396

>>19716385
Yes tina is real.

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>>19716203
There are “safer” inverse ETFs like SH if you’re certain the market will go below where it is now. But the market can of course keep going much higher and only correct to someplace above where we are now.

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>>19715460
Thanks everyone who replied. I went with TD!

Now, red tomorrow or green? This is the first time we’ve been this anxious after that DOW -1800. I don’t think that was “profit taking”. Lol

>> No.19716413

>>19716313

the flaws is people themselves... shoving all of our problems in our closets and under our beds instead of facing reality.

if people can't learn to spend less than they make and save this whole system is just taking on small cracks until something fucks it all up

>> No.19716421

Thoughts on Tesla? Debating on buying calls around 950 since the market might want to hype it back up. But also town with taking a bear position since the latest news is that they are renegging contracts of solar panels.

>> No.19716429

>>19716278
We're only going up from here. All the Robinhood newbies panic sold last Thursday and Friday.

>> No.19716445

>>19715324
im over 250k into DFEN at the original dip for $9 I hate holding leveraged etf's but it's been pretty good considering. Will probably continue to hold

>> No.19716457

>>19716421
Great company
Price is extremely high

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>>19716412
"making up lost ground"

>> No.19716465

>>19715938
idk, joe rogan maybe? he's pretty chill, smokes weed and hunts. i've had this sort of philosophy since going from high school to college (im 30 now), when i was deciding what to do with the rest of my life. the things i wanted to do made no money and the things that made a lot of money i hated, so it was miserable. the red pill is that it's not black and white, it's a scale, and you want to figure out how you can make at least juuust enough money to live while doing what you want, the less money you need the more "perks" you can have in regards to bullshit you put up with on a regular basis.

there are also cheats. like if you get an inheritance or something. stock trading is also a cheat that im glad i discovered. trading totally blows away any salary you could make for the most part and you can do it from anywhere with an internet connection. wish i had known about it 10 years ago but i guess i was way less mature back then and maybe the technology wasn't there like it is today (also $0 trades only happened literally october of last year)

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>>19716412
red

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19716485

Reminder that PG&E is leaving bankruptcy on TUESDAY and has reformed their felonious ways after murdering over a hundred people and will totally never ever do it again.

>> No.19716493

>>19716465
Yeah it makes a big difference when you do not have a $10 fee every time you buy/sell.

>> No.19716506

>>19716347

That is how it's done anon

>> No.19716519

>>19716445
>im over 250k into DFEN at the original dip for $9
Well done. The reason I'm avoiding buying in despite the lack of recovery on DFEN for now is that I don't have enough historical data to jump on it. For all I know it'll stay there and never recover. That's also why I only see it as a short (the way it moves hedges well against TQQQ).
Leveraged ETFs according to all the shit I've looked into are actually excellent overall. Unless you can get 3x leverage (max is 2x for me unless I choose "low-risk" assets) at low fees, they can't be beat so long as you can let the money appraise in the account after a steep ~50% fall for a year or two before taking anything out.

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>>19716240
I know, being wise is to learn from others' mistakes
Imagine not buying covid resistant stocks @ a discount, wouldn't be me

>> No.19716555

>>19716218
Tell that to INTC/NVDA

>> No.19716564

>>19715950
Back to r*ddit.com

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>>19715014
has anyone here unironically traded any MA crossover or similar strategy?
i might even give it a try. i see as an advantage that there is a fixed rule that you follow instead of second guessing everything or waiting forever for signals

>> No.19716572

>>19716555
Nvda is dumping old gpu stock before next gen cards in september.

Intc is a dumpster fire company though.

>> No.19716584

>>19716330
That's the ticket, welcome to the second leg down.

>> No.19716595

>>19716412
Are you paying the 75 dollars to transfer, or just liquidating and switching manually?

>> No.19716601

>>19715551
NEE LMT BIPC EPD

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19716604

basically all of my portfolio, am I doing this right /biz/?

>> No.19716618

>>19716135
What about a dead Mexican?

>> No.19716627

>>19716465
Do you really make enough day trading to live on? That's really fucking cool.

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>>19716330
Lmao BOBOS we are out for the hunt. BOBOS I repeat out for the hunt. Kill amy bulls in sight

>> No.19716644

>>19716618
>What about a dead Mexican
What about a dead fly?

>> No.19716653

>>19716604
Go back to WSB.

>> No.19716668

>>19716584

I remember reading up on how London was looking into unemployment benefits and they were seeing that having a program for like 2 years of benefits resulted in people staying on unemployment for 2 years. Then they tried 1 year and well, people remained unemployed for 1 year. You get the point.

The only fear this time is the damage / large % of companies that will not be able to adapt and scale back to what they were doing.

I hope these people are ready for their Amazon fulfillment center or Instacart shopping spree opportunities that will be leftover when they realize they're not getting let back into their old job.

If you're smart you jumped back into work the second your job let you otherwise your lack of 'loyalty' is sending you back to the labor market.

>> No.19716669

>>19716199
Copium

>> No.19716673

>>19716638
Theyve been saying they want to cut the 600 bonus from before it passed.

>> No.19716684

>>19716330
July 4th is a Saturday. I am going to liquidate most of my remaining plays and keep a few puts

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>>19716638
Just came back from my time machine and this is the first thing I saw. Red monday confirmed.

>> No.19716694

>>19716239
Ready the sticky new friend

>> No.19716710

>>19716347
Yeah the patrician woman would put the thong on last. Really thongs are gross cause they shift forward and deliver shit particles into the pussy

>> No.19716712

>>19716465

I don't know who I picked it up from but the reference of a scale is good. I figured I would be pawning off my time as labor so I better milk it for a lot, fast and not blow it and eventually ween off onto the things I like that may not make money at first, until you develop your craft or can turn a light passive opportunity into a full-time active one some way some how.

>> No.19716721

>>19716421
Don’t touch it. There’s money to be made elsewhere. You don’t need to buy options on the biggest meme company of human history

>> No.19716737

>>19716485
The saga of PG&E gets funnier every day. Every time an agreement is reached, some california judge says "Wait, actually we want MORE, give us MORE money"

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>>19716691
>buy more stock as price keeps going down
>cost basis goes down
>still getting divies
You'll never win.

>> No.19716744

>>19715909
why are all the numbers so wrong?

he keeps on talking about the DOW being at like 2600 but at that time the DOW was in the 4000s

>> No.19716745

I am so tired of all of this.
I don't want to see what happens Monday

>> No.19716747

>>19716572
>Intel is a dumpster fire, trust me bro I know because I bought a Ryzen 5 instead of a 7700k last week. Trust me AMD is the future bro.

>cope

>> No.19716748

>>19716721
>elsewhere
Care to elaborate?

>> No.19716760

>>19716744
sorry i'm retarded. nevermind

>> No.19716764
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>>19716747
get told for a decade building your pc is the way to go

best buy dot com charges less than building all the parts on amazon

>> No.19716769

>>19715269
Yuru Camp

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>>19716330

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>>19716604
>WSB meme options.
That’s not a portfolio that’s a bet ticket. Dumbass, back 2 r*ddit :)

>> No.19716788

>>19716747
They lost jim keller. Lots of talk of internal shitshows and endless middlemen

Amd isnt reliant on developing fabs + chips

>> No.19716796

>>19716764
>best buy
Micro Center is the best place to build a PC.

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Remember when we could make fun of Europeans for kowtowing to African migrants. Now America is cucked.

>> No.19716815

>>19716788
Understood, but Jim Keller wasn’t going to be there forever, they’ll do fine without him. INTC still has the server market by the balls. Consumer products aren’t their whole nut like AMD. It’s still considered alternative in the business world to run AMD

>> No.19716823

>>19716748
WFC calls

>> No.19716849

>>19716805
the french basically invented destroying their history, that's what the revolution was about

>> No.19716850

>>19716805
Trump is proving to be pretty spineless in the face of these protests bro, very discouraging.
I’m even a Trump fanboy who rode the amazing meme crescendo of watching him btfo CNN on Election Night 2016. Obviously I wouldn’t vote for Biden but between the Jews holding the strings and his wet-noodle response to these protests I’m a little worried

>> No.19716852

>>19716823
Actually in WFC, what's your target

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i'm starting to think that drop wasn't big enough, bros

>> No.19716892

Lean Hogs down, HOG is green, what does it mean?

>> No.19716912

>>19716712
the rich dad poor dad guy is kind of a meme but he mentions the whole idea of an asset vs. a liability a lot, and how you can only sell so much of your time, it's a limited resource. at some point if you want to make real money, you need to find a way to make your money work for you, not just sell your time, because that's always going to be capped. there are only so many hours in a day after all.

>>19716627
just around $50k/year after taxes usually, nothing insane or anything. but it's enough so i don't have to work for a boss anymore or even leave my house if i don't want to (great for covid clown world lol). but im a nerd who loves analyzing charts every day and fell in love with the game of trying to predict price movements and market psychology. most people find that shit boring and aren't willing to put in the time.

>> No.19716931

>>19716912
Nah that's really cool, good on you. I would like to work towards that someday so I can commit myself to other hobbies.

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>>19716710
I’m not sure how they would be different from any other type of panties in that respect.

Besides, women tend to clean themselves often, and I’m coming for the bootyhole too.

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Is XOM a good long-term hold for dividend reinvestment?

>> No.19716975

I got about tree fiddy
what do I buy tomorrow?

>> No.19716988

>>19716975
$Ship 80% and $Tops 20%

>> No.19716993

>>19716268
Based giantess fetishist.

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>>19716852

>> No.19717001

BOBO'S YOU CAN'T WIN. SURRENDER AND LIVE.

>> No.19717046

>>19714866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5MESwPEmnc

>> No.19717047

I am about to start in the stock market game. I am trying to go for long investment. What are some good beginning ones?

>> No.19717049

>>19716997
What's your long-term view of WFC?

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>>19716956
It's a dividend aristocrat and already poised to continue it through coronachan, so yeah.

>> No.19717060

>>19716506
Huh. Thank you sir

>> No.19717077
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stock trader here
can someone redpill me on option calls?
what advantage do they give me compared to just buy lots of stocks?
less capital required because leverage?

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>>19715498
SSL
NBLX
PVAC
PBF
OIS
HLX

are all ez money. 100%

>> No.19717089

>>19716931
the good news is that there's a ton of very fulfilling hobbies you can do for very cheap nowadays. you can educate yourself on pretty much everything for free through the internet and youtube. you want to play an instrument like guitar, just buy a decent guitar for a couple hundred bucks and some spare strings and that's all you need, after that it's just research and practice. learn music theory for free and you can improvise and make up your own songs. get REAPER and a good cheap basic audio interface like a scarlett 2i2 and shure SM58 and you can record anything you'd ever want or sample any sounds you want. you don't have to keep putting money into these things they're basically 1-time purchases as long as you take good care of them. loads of books and movies and even video games are free, or at worst you can pirate them if you really can't afford them. i have a nice computer but i generally only spend around $2k for OEM parts and build it every 5-8 years (just replaced my last one which lasted about 7 years i think, has a NVIDIA Geforce GTX 770 that still works great).

basically i don't need a car that costs 6 figures or a mansion that costs millions to be happy, in the grand scheme of things i can get away with a few choice luxuries that i put some money into up front and take good care of and they give me happiness for years and years.

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Is 0.6% (after broker-negotiated discount) a fairly good fee to be paying for a managed mutual fund? Seems that way to a small brain anon like me.

>> No.19717098

>>19717047
$ROPE

>> No.19717099

>>19717001
NEVER

>>19717047
Wait for the crash, then buy.

>> No.19717102

Got 6500 shares of MRO, let's fucking goooo.

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>>19715551
CEQP is the undisputed goat. .63 cent and lots of upside left to run back pre covid

>> No.19717115

>>19717047
S&P 500 ETF

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>>19716859
why do blue chip cucks thinks that chart is representative of the stock market

absolutely none of my stocks are anywhere near ATH

theyre still 50%+ below pr e corona

>> No.19717121

>>19717095
>black lives matter and my family are all exempt
>shut the fuck up peasants

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>>19717058
kek

>> No.19717138

I wonder if Tesla will crash on Monday. Might be a good time to get in if it goes sub 850

>> No.19717141

>>19715460
>zero fees
You really wanna get your ass pounded by big dick HFT shops, don't you?

>> No.19717144

>>19717099
I am sick of waiting. When even will happen the crash. I just wanna begin and learn. I am reading so much stuff and it feels like i can read so much without an end. All that theory is beginning to drive me crazy.
>>19717098
But i didnt even invest yet. Maybe if i lose everything.

>> No.19717147

>>19717120
This, I keep seeing people talk about stocks being back up but that's just plainly not true if you look at anything other than household names

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>>19717099
forgot pic

>> No.19717163

>>19716008
PACD is the one I'm looking at. VAL and BORR not bad either

>> No.19717164

>>19717115
Not sure about ETFs. In germany you have to pay taxes while they just sit there. Which kinda sucks balls hard.

>> No.19717168

>>19717095
idk if i even give a fuck anymore. everyone's gonna get it, there's no avoiding it. all i can do is stay inside until they at least come up with a treatment. like, even with a vaccine if i can at least go to the doctor and get some meds to deal with it if i DO get it, then i'd be a lot more chill about it.

but normies are fucking retarded so what can you do. they're not introverts like i am i guess, they'll risk their lives to "party in the streets". fucking idiots lmao. any word on covid spikes in the protestor population yet? has that happened?

>> No.19717170

stocks won't crash too much, they are the only good investment nowadays

>> No.19717181

>>19717133
imagine risking your health and life to work at fucking walmart.

>> No.19717200

>>19717089
Yeah good point man. I'm fortunate in that I didn't grow up very materialistic and my hobbies are all basically no cost. I'd like to write

>> No.19717201

>>19717097
Never do mutual funds. They're 100% scams. If you don't know what you're doing, go tbills:SPY such that tbills represent your-age% of your portfolio. If you're OK with insane risks, same but leveraged 2x or 3x depending on your risk tolerance. Rebalance every so often (I found weekly to be optimal, monthly to be good, and yearly to be too little).
You'll pay a fraction of the fees and get multiples of the return.
If you want to be more involved, you can also check an etf of choice's holdings and long the top 10. This way you don't pay any fee at all and usually perform even better than the ETF as a bonus.

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Recommend me some good dividend stocks which are still low.

>> No.19717221

>>19717144
TA is nice and supplementary, but it really takes experience being on both sides of the trade and learning from that(ESPECIALLY the physiology). I don't believe there is a formula to the markets desu, you eventually just start to get a feel for them after a few years. RSI and MACD is what I look at mostly, lots of traders use the 50 day MA so its nice to keep an eye on it.

>> No.19717227

>>19717170
What about gold and silver?

>> No.19717231

>>19717147
Household names will just gobble up everyone else and become even bigger, growing explosively. No clue why you're investing in anything but household names, they cornered not just the market, but the world. They have a monopoly not in one field, but all the fields. Yeah, there could be another meme tesla or whatever. But that's called gambling, not investing.

>> No.19717249

>>19717231
t. buys bitcoin at 19k

>> No.19717251

>>19717210
What's your minimum yield?

>> No.19717262

>>19717170
There is a lot of potential in commodities.

>> No.19717265

>>19717102
Based on what?

>> No.19717267

>>19717249
Try to keep up. The big names are literally buying entire countries' politicians and any competitors outright. Anyone who refuses gets politic'd out of existing.

>> No.19717279

>>19717265
Ultra instinct. Proportional chart comparisons.

>> No.19717289

>>19717251
A lot of companies reduced their dividends during this period (or even suspended), thus I am not really looking at that. I'm more interested in a good dividend history and a healthy company.

Above 0,5%.

>> No.19717296

>>19717168
>any word on covid spikes in the protestor population yet? has that happened?
Yes, multiple states are now spiking back up. In %positive too, not just number of cases. Florida, Texas, Arizona, South Carolina, Alabama, and more are seeing record or near-record new case spikes, while testing counts remain at the same levels.

I live in Orange County, CA and just today they reported a new record high number of new cases, while number of daily tests is actually trending DOWNWARDS.

>> No.19717304

>>19717289
>0.5% yield
>a dividend stock
Choose one. You could invest in spy and get 2%.

>> No.19717326

>>19717279
Imo OKE is a better play at the moment for energy stuff

>> No.19717338

>>19717170

People have been saying stocks will crash for 10 years now. Now they say stocks can't crash they're safe. That's how I know we're about to crash.

>> No.19717362

>>19717221
Okay thank you. Another question is how long you hold long investments averagely?

>> No.19717373

>>19717170
Cash is king during deflation

>> No.19717394

>>19717289
IBM, VZ, T, XOM, LYB (maybe), GAIN, BFb (maybe)

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>>19715669
>>19716197
>>19715820
>covid is not why the economy is crashing
I wouldn't say this entirely. It ended up being feared to the point of a government mandated shutdown which caused a revenue shock. The additional affect of potentially overloading ICUs should be considered and may have a continued effect on revenues for state entities and businesses. If the state's revenues are affected with high unemployment, then they will likely have to impose higher taxes to balance their budgets because they cannot sell bonds. We'll also see budget cuts and a decrease in public services. This additional downward pressure on profits will compound the already existing pressures due to the overabundance of dollars via debt.

>>19715694
>without any basis of a genetic mutation that is worse than what we started with.
The second wave is likely due to increased activity. The state budget factor is the issue that should be discussed here, especially on /biz/. if we follow the money, we'll probably find that the states can't shutdown, even if ICUs are starting to reach capacity. For the economy, we'll end up dealing with a slowdown anyway, and as stated above, it'll probably be blamed on corona, when it's really more likely to be the last 12 years of credit expansion rearing its head.
>I think the wave of unemployment CARES ending this summer is more concerning than these infection numbers now.
likely, yes

>>19715771
>if you are truly logical we shouldn't have ever shutdown
if you understand risk management, then we absolutely should have done a partial shutdown or total shutdown. In Feburary...
>Italy and Wuhan were fuck. Their ICUs surged and were not able to handle the volume of ICU admissions from corona and other normal activity
>US health infrastructure has not been thoroughly tested for this kind of surge, and the quality of care changes dramatically depending on location
>US has nearly completely illiquid resource pool to manage localized outbreaks

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>>19717396
what type of market formation does the cat represent?

>> No.19717439

>>19717200
>i'd like to write

exactly. how much does it cost to write? basically nothing. i feel like the key is to never become materialistic in the first place. i think the hard thing for people is that they don't know what to do with their lives and get told by society to try to become rich and famous and "keep up with the jones'" and they spend so many years in that pursuit, that it becomes ingrained in them and hard for them to change. i think those of us who never got into that way of thinking, that egotism, to begin with, are the lucky ones. if we know how to take advantage of it, at least.

nature is great too. i have a small property but a great backyard. i enjoy doing yard work too, good exercise, lots of sunshine, do it at my own pace, have a garden. point is there's lots of things that can make you happy that cost nothing or are very cheap, and honestly if you bought a lambo it probably wouldn't make you happy for very long compared to the price tag. i feel like a lot of the expensive shit in life is just people showing off to a bunch of other people who don't really give a shit, or worse envy and hate them for what they have. both of those seem like a shitty way to live to me.

>> No.19717444

>>19714866
Sunday still no good news that will make anything close to a pump
I could be wrong and something like x pnd biotech is showing positive results in corona virus cure news release premarket

>> No.19717451

>>19716330
This isn't new except to the retards here. The point is to incentivize people to go back to work.

>> No.19717455

>>19717077
For calls in particular, each contract will allow you to harvest the gains of 100 stocks at a time, and the premium is cheaper than buying 100 stocks. there are a lot of drawbacks however.
contracts can expire.
the stock has to go over a break even point (based on the amount of premium you paid for it, this mean you might have to wait for the stock to rise 10% above its current price) for the contract to be profitable.
near expiration the contract will experience IV crush, which will cut into your gains as the contract becomes worth less.
Just like bagholding, you can only lose the amount you put in, which makes it more attractive to degenerates I guess.

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>>19717296
B-BUT MUH SUMMER! MUH WARM WEATHER!!!

>> No.19717476

Anyone gonna fomo into AMEX monday?

>>19715859
>>19716003
smart anons

>>19717409
>what type of market formation does the cat represent?
A formation where I'm comfortable because I've allocated my funds in a way where my risk is being managed well.
>he posts on /pol/
How's the GUSH doing? are you still playing oil exploration? you coulda held SWBI from $15 senpai, didn't need to take that 6% loss. You might as well make a trip. I bet your calls would be less horrible than baggie.

>> No.19717478

>>19717164
Could be worse you could be a us citizen and be double taxed

>> No.19717487

>>19716159
>conspiracy theory
yes, this corporation that has free access to your data that enables them to predict the shit you want to buy does the ethical thing and says no to billions in revenue, since big corps are known respect ethical standards over profit

>> No.19717518

>>19717478
Double Taxed? How?

>> No.19717522

>>19716935
Look at your pic, those go around the crack, the thong rides inside the crack and shifts forward because the ass is bigger at the waist. Therefore delivering poopy to the pussy

t. I’m still eating that ass regardless if the first lick is a little sour.

>> No.19717535

>>19717463
Jesus fuck Florida, are you okay??

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>>19717455
ok, thanks. the the break even point is the strike? ah, nvm

i'm gonna stick to sizing my risk by number of stocks bought, works for me

>> No.19717553

>>19717296
Every new case is a new person now immune. Hospitals are nowhere near being overwhelmed and never will be. The apocalyptic nonsense is over. Spikes are meaningless now that the virus is contextualized as something that's not particularly dangerous to productive members of society, and only marginally dangerous to the very old and virtually meaningless to the young. The virus only ever mattered because the economy was shut down while we waited to better understand it. Now that that's done, it no longer poses any meaningful threat to the economy, especially in areas that refuse to lock down again (i.e. almost all places). There's going to be a giant green dildo in futures in a couple hours.

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Hey dividends guy are you here?
Can you post your month breakdown again?
Also can you recommend companies you looked at but didn't end up going for for the various months?
>>19717518
The US is one of the few countries in the world where income made in other countries, whether physically working there on a work permit, sent there by your company, or just investing there from home, is taxable from your country of citizenship (the US) as well as the country of current residence/income made in/invested in.

>> No.19717583

>>19717561
Nah, most countries do double taxation. What's special about the US is that even if you are a non-US resident, you still pay US taxes. You have to revoke your citizenship to stop.

>> No.19717616

>>19717583
Oh, so it's just residency that's unusual? Okay. Not the first time I gave the rest of the world too much credit I guess.

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>>19717463

>> No.19717631

>>19716485
>>19716737
PCG forms a decent swing pattern if it didn't have such kikery looming over it.

>> No.19717634

>>19717583
Which ones only 3 countries do this including the USA. Canada recently outlawed worldwide tax

>> No.19717656

New thread
>>19717653

>>19717653

>>19717653

>> No.19717677

>>19717553
>Every new case is a new person now immune
lol.
>Hospitals are nowhere near being overwhelmed and never will be
double lol, but likely, especially with a gradual reopening and compliant citizens
>Spikes are meaningless now that the virus is contextualized as something that's not particularly dangerous to productive members of society
>it no longer poses any meaningful threat to the economy
triple lol
This is like believing that labor is mobile and liquid. you're out of your mind or uneducated. You're absolutely right that the risk is likely much lower than the originally perceived upper bound, but this is only with the right precautions in place. Outbreaks in a densely (or sparsely) populated area can still overwhelm ICUs. You can't keep flying people out or transport them everywhere because a non-insignificant portion of your hospital infrastructure is now dealing with a highly contagious infection that takes between 2 and 3 weeks to recover from if the patient has a severe case. The strain/resource demand will necessarily increase the likelihood of deaths from other events that are due to normal economic activity. Yes, we're dealing with some kind of single digit shift, but people won't give a shit if they know they're more likely to die. They won't be as likely to drive, to work higher risk jobs, to do normal things. The politicians also lose face (noted above somewhere).
>The apocalyptic nonsense is over
>the economy was shut down while we waited to better understand it.
these parts are right, mostly

>> No.19717713

>>19717677
Get ready for your green dildo retard. Then we'll see how your bullshit stacks up.

>> No.19717727

>ASX set to open in 4 hours
>expected to surge at open
>US markets open 12 hours later
>expected to plummet
how do I profit from this?

>> No.19717738

Where do people do those portfolio-builders that you can track the historical growth for? I am a long-term buy-and-hold kind of guy; my current portfolio is a mix of KO, FRT, and PM for dividends. I also have a more risky one focused on REITs like NYMT, NRZ, and MPLX. I'd like to see which one historically would have done the best, as well as check out some other options like XOM and ETFs like Vanguard and precious metals.

>> No.19717766

>>19717713
>Get ready for your green dildo retard. Then we'll see how your bullshit stacks up.
>tfw pearls before swine
I said nothing about short term action. This is going to show itself as minor additional downward pressure in the short term (under 5 years).

>> No.19717809

>>19717727
Too late fren. Gotta open these short positions Friday at close. You can try to hop on during pre market but pre market is worthless.

>> No.19717931

>>19717634
You are mixing up concepts. Double taxation is the default, and some countries have some agreements to avoid double taxation. For example, Canada and US have such a treaty, so canadians pay the maximum of the US or Canadian tax rate in total, but it has no treaty with costa rica, so working remote for a costa rican company would incur double taxation.

>> No.19717966

>>19717766
You're an idiot. Luckily it makes no difference, the market will sort out your trading account.

>> No.19718001

>>19717097
0.6 is high unless it's a really specialized/niche fund. Most indexes are 0.03-0.2 in ETF form.

>> No.19718375

i want to invest in some health services but i also dont want to fall for the second wave meme

>> No.19718404

>>19717102
Oh it will boom, oil will go back up because Saudis, Russian, US don’t like throwing away money - eventually.
We just have retards pumping oil because they like money short term during shutdown instead of slowing down production. Thankfully most offshore is cancelled at the moment. With no new offshore contracts.
So there will be a shortage soon.

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