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Bullion Dealers
https://www.apmex.com/
https://www.boldpreciousmetals.com/
https://www.bgasc.com/
https://www.gainesvillecoins.com/
https://www.jmbullion.com/
https://www.providentmetals.com/
https://www.silvertowne.com/
https://sdbullion.com/
https://schiffgold.com/
https://goldsilver.com/
https://pinehurstcoins.com/
https://www.sprottmoney.com/
https://www.moneymetals.com/
https://monumentmetals.com/
https://www.goldenstatemint.com/
https://goldsilver.be/en/
https://www.muenze-berlin.de/
https://www.hollandgold.nl/
https://www.europesilverbullion.com/
https://www.celticgold.eu/en/
https://www.muenzeoesterreich.at/eng/

>Compare
https://findbullionprices.com/

>News
https://www.kitco.com/
http://silverseek.com/
https://www.mining.com/

>Bullion tax info by state:
https://www.apmex.com/state-sales-tax-information

>Prospecting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCL6FKQZyoM [Open] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Open]
https://www.usgs.gov/energy-and-minerals/mineral-resources-program/science
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/mineral-exploration-mining/documents/mineral-titles/mt-faqs/faq_fmc.pdf
https://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/en/mines-and-minerals/mining-act
https://www.amazon.ca/Gold-Creeks-Ghostowns-British-Columbia/dp/088839988X

>Test
Nitric Acid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mg9YcAShTo [Open] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Open]
Magnets, how do they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgSXg-WOEVY [Open] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Open]

>YouTube/Podcasts
https://www.youtube.com/user/silverguru David Morgan
https://www.youtube.com/user/SprottGlobal
https://www.youtube.com/user/KitcoNews
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqmToXM7x2tD7-2rs0KvObA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXPvtSNFvh9FJrwN02crJ
https://www.youtube.com/user/whygoldandsilver
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClzSFvylrK8ij3KVwrHzjdA


Housewife status: partially no longer well to do in light of recent riots

>> No.19467567

Old
>>19430113

>> No.19467647
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>>19467554
Join my cult of shiny cleanliness.

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What gold mining stocks are you guys holding on WeBull or RobinHood (NYSE listed). Most of the stocks recommended in the general are on the TSX, so hard to purchase.

>> No.19467700

>>19467647
I'm purposefully powerfondling a 2020 ASE to tarnish it

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>>19467647
Never.

>> No.19467733

>>19467659
You're missing out on some junior silver mining stocks that are mooning. ASM, I am sure is not on RobinHood.

>> No.19467764

>>19467700
If you really want it to tarnish, stick in a cup of water.

>> No.19467788

>>19467764
How do you get a natural rainbow tarnish? One of my ASE has it but I have not idea how to start the process for some of my others.

>> No.19467817

>>19467733
>ASM
Thanks that one is on RobinHood. I will research. 17.5% in a day is huge, maybe will wait for a pullback here.

>> No.19467825

>>19467764
That's not the point though, it's so I can look at it every day and see how it changes.

Brittania bars back in stock, anyone have any and do they look as cool in person as they do in pictures?

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I bad picture of my stack.

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Reposting, its my first bit of gold and plat, feels good man

>> No.19468068

>>19467700
You’re a sick man...

>> No.19468108

Anyone still buying? I'm basically holding for now, premiums have just brought the price per oz too high for me at the moment.

>> No.19468121

>>19468108
ill buy for sales methinks but i really want to invest in a safe instead of the crap ive been storing in

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I NEED TO PURCHASE SILVER BUT THE DIP AINT COMING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>19468140
you kinna missed it guy

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>>19468108
My strategy i set up last year is to purchase as long as i can get it below 20 bux per oz. But as of now i can't find anything sub $23..
I'm sitting on cash for 2 months now, but i'm this close to break my own policy to make a phat purchase. I'm like a junkie craving his fix, i HAVE to stack MORE.

PLEASE KIKE OVERLORDS DO A ONE LAST MANIPULATION DIP SO I CAN MAKE A PURCHASE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>Bullion Dealers
https://www.apmex.com/
https://www.boldpreciousmetals.com/
https://www.bgasc.com/
https://www.gainesvillecoins.com/
https://www.jmbullion.com/
https://www.providentmetals.com/
https://www.silvertowne.com/
https://sdbullion.com/
https://schiffgold.com/
https://goldsilver.com/
https://pinehurstcoins.com/
https://www.sprottmoney.com/
https://www.moneymetals.com/
https://monumentmetals.com/
https://www.goldenstatemint.com/
https://goldsilver.be/en/
https://www.muenze-berlin.de/
https://www.hollandgold.nl/
https://www.europesilverbullion.com/
https://www.celticgold.eu/en/
https://www.muenzeoesterreich.at/eng/

>Compare
https://findbullionprices.com/

>News
https://www.kitco.com/
http://silverseek.com/
https://www.mining.com/

>Bullion tax info by state:
https://www.apmex.com/state-sales-tax-information

>Prospecting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCL6FKQZyoM
https://www.usgs.gov/energy-and-minerals/mineral-resources-program/science
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/mineral-exploration-mining/documents/mineral-titles/mt-faqs/faq_fmc.pdf
https://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/en/mines-and-minerals/mining-act
https://www.amazon.ca/Gold-Creeks-Ghostowns-British-Columbia/dp/088839988X

>Test
Nitric Acid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mg9YcAShTo
Magnets, how do they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgSXg-WOEVY
https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/resources/fake-bullion-database
https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/resources/identifying-fake-bullion

>YouTube/Podcasts
https://www.youtube.com/user/silverguru David Morgan
https://www.youtube.com/user/SprottGlobal
https://www.youtube.com/user/KitcoNews
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqmToXM7x2tD7-2rs0KvObA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXPvtSNFvh9FJrwN02crJ
https://www.youtube.com/user/whygoldandsilver
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClzSFvylrK8ij3KVwrHzjdA


Housewife status:

>> No.19468226

^^^Cleaned up the salad, fixed missing meme arrow, has added links
When copypasting, remove "embed" otherwise they stack up

YW

>> No.19468235

>>19468213
are these the new designs

>> No.19468249

>>19468200
keep the cash since pretty soon we’re going into deflation and all prices will depress and only the cashfags will win by making investments in housing, pm’s, cheap stock.

>> No.19468459

Is it even worth it to buy gold at such small formats like 5grams 1/10 oz at such high premiums? I feel that even though it might take longer, it would be better to just save up for an oz. Why do people buy them if not for sentimental or gift purposes

>> No.19468543

>>19468235
They can't be. They don't meet the legal requirement of containing an Eagle.

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>>19468459
Go for 10 gram minimum. These get close to spot pricing.

>> No.19468558

>>19468459
I don't know Anon.

I started running the numbers a week ago, and buying bullion only seems to benefit the people who sell it and the people who store it.

If I buy now, there's a premium, and if I sell immediately, they'll buy at spot or less. So, lose-lose. The only way PMs would gain in my possession is if I'm extraordinarily lucky by buying at a time that is randomly low and selling at a time that is randomly high enough to offset premiums from the buy/sell.

Then if I buy in significant amounts, the safest way is to pay a company to store bullion (like, bars) professionally. I lose again.

Then the historic gain of bullion over the centuries (at least from the longest study conducted) was 1.1%. Which is fucking terrible.

Silver went down from yesterday, so better prices. Some Anons predict that silver is undervalued and will correct, so buy a lot now and convert to gold when the ratio is low again. But that won't work unless you know that you've hit the highest when you convert, and it won't work if the premiums are adjusted (with lower cost/demand of silver the premiums will be higher).

Small formats are obviously for gifts. Buying/selling for your future requires bars and bullion. If you believe the world will end and you'll need to barter with bullion, then coins and denomination.

But from the numbers I have so far, if you want to stack, you stack fucking bars.

>that being said, my shitty tax-free savings account makes more gain than gold does...

>> No.19468581

>>19468558
You’re correct on all counts except that you need to dca in over years and expect to hold for years. Physical pms aren’t fucking shitcoins or stocks that you flip, they’re long term savings. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a dumb fuck

>> No.19468600

>>19468459
>Why do people buy them if not for sentimental or gift purposes
There's plenty of reasons to buy smaller increments of gold. One, some people don't want to spend 1800 each purchase, two there are plenty of options for decently priced coins/bars per oz at small increments (though of course harder to find), and three in the event you want to sell, it's easier to sell smaller increments at a time than whole ounces. Having an easily divisible stack is nicer than just having fewer large portions. It's the reason why 1/10oz coins and 1g bars simply cost more.

>> No.19468636

>>19468581
I agree, physical PMS are long term savings. But I ran the numbers on those too, and it's abysmal. The average human will live around 100 years now. If you hold PMs for 80 years, you're not gaining much against inflation (it's worse than the 1.1% which was taken from gold held from the 1700s to now). So, in other words, it's a terrible investment, especially given that the gold is not being held over centuries.

The issue to me is a simple one now, though I still don't have the answer to it. The data so far says that PMs are worse than stocks when increasing value taking into account inflation. PMs tend to stay at the same value. So, if I were to get any PMs, then the assumption is that it's not dead currency (like buying an iPhone or a computer) but it's not alive either (it's not farmland or stocks). It's merely a hold that doesn't do anything.

Further, a week ago one anon here recommended I look into the Venezuela situation as a real-time experiment of what happens to PMs in situations where serious inflation happens. Sadly, PMs haven't done well there either: they've lost significant value, which screws the idea that PMs are a hedge against hyperinflation (incidentally this matches the historical data too, but Venezuela at least confirms it in the modern world too).

PMs are, as you say, for the long term. The question for anyone doing this is, 'when do I plan to sell, and can I live with selling at a time when I need the money but the PMs are worth less than I bought them for?'

That's what I think anyway.

>the Kraken coin is so beautiful though...I'm really thinking of getting one just because.

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>>19468235
They came out in 2018
I think by Liberty & Unity, private American mint. They're sold out everywhere except for one site I'm not familiar with (American Heritage Bullion). When they were in stock at Apmex BGASC etc, it looks like they went for reasonable prices ($21-$23), but these guys are asking $40.77. They're the only place I could find 'em. There's some on ebay going for $30-$37, but I don't trust anyone off of ebay.
Too bad, because I really like the design.
It came in a 10oz bar, too. Really wish I would have known about them when they were in stock. I wasn't even stacking back in 2008 though.

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>> No.19468673

>>19468226
ty

>> No.19468684

>>19468636
Everything you say is reasonable but I’d suggest that when major dislocations happen, they happen much more dramatically and rapidly than the data would suggest. I’m curious, can you provide any suggestions on where I can read up on PMs in Venezuela? I’ve been watching them in Argentine pesos and they’ve done extremely well there as a hedge. I’m wondering if maybe Venezuela is different because of the sanctions or something

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*2018

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>>19468673
np

>> No.19468700

>>19468636
Is it so hard to understand that pms are NOT an investment but simply a store of value? With negative rates coming i feel like beating inflation and keeping your purchase power over decades without much risk is already a win

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>> No.19468715

>>19468684
Give me a moment; I'll try to find the links for you.

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>>19468654
Reviews of that website are sketchy. I did a 360 and walked away. PMs are too high risk for no delivery.

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I might pick one up off ebay anyway, I really like them and I don't think they'll ever make more. Maybe obscure enough design that no one is making fakes?
What do y'all think?

>> No.19468774

>>19468757
they look like too much effort to fake, especially when "german" silver bars worth maybe .25 cents are going for 20$ on ebay because people are illiterate

>> No.19468777

>>19468756
hmm thanks for the info. I might grab a 1oz off ebay, worst case scenario I'm out $33-$37.

>> No.19468814

>>19468774
Well if you look at

https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/resources/fake-bullion-database

there's a lot of fakes that are even more intricate. I'm banking on it being a pretty unknown design, hopefully under the fakers' radar...

>> No.19468831

What's the most you guys are personally willing to pay for ASE's?

>> No.19468845

Lots of possibilities:
https://www.sunshineprofits.com/gold-silver/dictionary/gold-inflation-hedge/

A new article I didn't know about:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/08/08/gold-not-much-of-a-hedge-for-anything-unless-youre-a-centurion/

https://scholar.harvard.edu/feldstein/publications/gold-good-hedge

The list is long.

While it would be easy to say, 'it's a whateverist trap trying to convince fools not to invest in PMs', the data just doesn't support that idea either, since governments still buy gold, companies still buy gold, and individuals do too (i.e. no one is restricting a private individual from stacking).

Here's the famous study taking into account Venezuela:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2078535

And an article that gives a general synopsis:
https://www.thestreet.com/markets/commodities/gold/gold-tells-a-shocking-story-in-venezuelan-currency-terms-14986716

So, that's why I'm a little stuck on it.

>>19468700
It's not hard to understand. The problem I see is that there is a shit-tonne of advertisement information that coerces people into thinking that PMs are better than stocks. If you have a diversified portfolio, then you'll do far better than with PMs, and in fact over a lifetime you'd do better to do without PMs.

How about this: can anyone tell me why it's 'recommended' by virtually every beginner's investor to have 5-10% of your total savings in PMs (they might not be physical, but in ETFs or other)? Who came up with this number, how was it calculated, and what data was the recommendation based on?

I haven't found SHIT! Nothing NO THING that gives any data to support this recommendation.

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>>19468845
No one cares nigger, this is a precious metals buyer general. Get stacking or ger lost.

>> No.19468868

>>19468831
23$ is what i got my 2020s for and i feel raped. probably like 3$ over spot tops

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>>19468868
Damn niggers, I've been paying $25 for the most part, can't catch a break.

>> No.19468883

>>19468845
its called diversifying, and noone cares, shiny rock go *ding*

>> No.19468895

>>19468878
i was pretty early to the panic buy, like maybe the first week were pre orders for them, i still payed like 5-6 over at the time

>> No.19468904

>>19468845
Gold and Silver are pretty much a good investment if you’re not living in America. Every other currency in the world has a chance of easily being destroyed, except for maybe the Yuan since China might rule. There’s also a chance for USD but since USD is the world reserve then it being destroyed means world war. I think people in Canada, Europe, Australia and New Zealand should invest in pms for their own sake.

>> No.19468911

>>19468864
No shit. Originally I came here because I wanted to know what to invest in. Now I'm finding lots of data that suggests it's just a ploy that is based on fear. I wish it wasn't, and if data comes up that contradicts that than I'm willing to consider it fairly.

But so far, no one seems to win in the PM circle except the people who facilitate the buying, selling, and protecting of them.

>>19468883
No shit it's diversifying, but why would you diversify into something that doesn't make you more money? That makes no sense. People are spending thousands of dollars on this board, if their pics are real (inb4 everything you read is fake); why make an investment based on a larp? That's a fucking loss.

Is there any other argument to go into PMs other than, 'it's a shiny rock' or 'no one cares'? To not care about your financial future is fucking dumb...

>> No.19468932

>>19468904
Edit: the Pound is also a good currency that is the unofficial secondary reserve since it lasted for so long as a recognizable currency. So basically if you’re American or British then buy precious metals since they’re an investment and hedge against currency collapse.

>> No.19468945

>>19468932
*if you’re not British or American then buy pms

>> No.19468967

>>19468911
You should watch mike malonys hidden secrets of money

He explains why you have to own physicsl gold/silver

>> No.19468978

>>19468911
I was reading some of those articles and the conclusion I kept coming to was that all of these only had examples of hyperinflation in third world countries and not the USA.

Hyperinflation in these third world countries has no effect on the price of gold on the exchange because those countries are kinda irreverent. For them they can hedge in USD since it is the strongest. If the USD were to hyperinflate it would definitely have an effect on the exchange.

However for an American there is no other foreign currency you can hedge in since you already have the strongest. Gold/Silver is the final solution to protecting your wealth because if the USD fails there is no other options besides PMS.

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>>19468911
if its not for you dont buy the damn things, let us fucking larp and ogle each others semi rare reflective piles of rock

take your no fun sign with you on your way out

>> No.19469020

>>19468904
This is what I'm talking about though. I just linked the damn study:

"...the real price of gold in Venezuelan currency terms has fallen more than 60%". That's not bad, but it's shit if you are thinking it'll hold guaranteed. This is also if you take into account an average person who has savings that they've blown through during a crisis and must now liquidate their PMs in order to survive.

If you live in a shithole country that has uncertain governments and uncertain police, where you have to guard your property personally using firearms, then I understand. As for former commonwealth countries that you listed, even that isn't necessary (though I think South Afrika IS a problem in that regard); Canada, Australia, and New Zealand aren't going Mad Max anytime soon.

I can't find anything to support your claim Anon. Is there anything you have, any data that supports it?

>>19468967
Mike Maloney, author of "Guide to Investing in Gold and Silver". Are you joking? You do understand that the whole point of my rant is that it's difficult if not impossible to find anything that supports putting your savings, even a small %, into PMs except from people who are directly tied to the industry that makes money from selling it and buying it back. In other words, no independent reasons outside of making profit. It's like the diamond industry.

>>19468978
Okay, that's an excellent point. But then I'd ask you the obvious question: If USD is the strongest, then why would it fail? In other words, would leaders in the rest of the entire world allow the USD to fail if it would mean total world armageddon in terms of financial markets?

Do you? Further, isn't the final solution known to preppers and people who survived the fall of the USSR? i.e. cigarette lighters, antibiotics, bullets, etc.?

>> No.19469042

>>19469012
Thank god, at least you're honest.

I'm happy to ogle PMs like anyone else, and you guys are the ones who put me onto the Krakens (which I didn't know existed before last week).

I just think it's bullshit for anyone to claim that it's 'wise' or 'smart' or anything else to invest in PMs. The strategies don't make sense, the value doesn't make sense, and the long term issues don't add up.

If people here admitted they buy these things to impress themselves or others, that's cool, then at least admit it. But right now the data indicates that any other investment reasons are simply bullshit.

>> No.19469066

>>19467554
>>19468213
Bullion Dealers
https://www.apmex.com/
https://www.boldpreciousmetals.com/
https://www.bgasc.com/
https://www.gainesvillecoins.com/
https://www.jmbullion.com/
https://www.providentmetals.com/
https://www.silvertowne.com/
https://sdbullion.com/
https://schiffgold.com/
https://goldsilver.com/
https://www.silver.com/
https://pinehurstcoins.com/
https://www.sprottmoney.com/
https://www.moneymetals.com/
https://monumentmetals.com/
https://www.goldenstatemint.com/
https://goldsilver.be/en/
https://www.muenze-berlin.de/
https://www.hollandgold.nl/
https://www.europesilverbullion.com/
https://www.celticgold.eu/en/
https://www.muenzeoesterreich.at/eng/

>Compare
https://findbullionprices.com/

>News
https://www.kitco.com/
http://silverseek.com/
https://www.mining.com/

>Bullion tax info by state:
https://www.apmex.com/state-sales-tax-information

>Prospecting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCL6FKQZyoM
https://www.usgs.gov/energy-and-minerals/mineral-resources-program/science
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/mineral-exploration-mining/documents/mineral-titles/mt-faqs/faq_fmc.pdf
https://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/en/mines-and-minerals/mining-act
https://www.amazon.ca/Gold-Creeks-Ghostowns-British-Columbia/dp/088839988X

>Test
Nitric Acid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mg9YcAShTo
Magnets, how do they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgSXg-WOEVY

>YouTube/Podcasts
https://www.youtube.com/user/silverguru David Morgan
https://www.youtube.com/user/SprottGlobal
https://www.youtube.com/user/KitcoNews
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqmToXM7x2tD7-2rs0KvObA
https://www.youtube.com/user/GoldAndSilverClub1
https://www.youtube.com/user/whygoldandsilver
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCED7G7CZfqdSV9zttlr1M_g
fixed the dead links in the podcasts

>> No.19469084

>>19469042
>>19469020
if the dollar falls something will replace it or be the runner up replacement, what are you going to trade for the new currency, the old one?

>> No.19469094

>>19468845
Thank you for the links. If I had to provide a short answer: everything is a pyramid scheme or scam of sorts but a chunk of shiny metal in my hand remains a chunk of shiny metal in my hand regardless of any macro-shenanigans. That tangibility makes it incomparable

>> No.19469139
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>>19468845
I think you're just trollin', but I'll bite.
From what I remember of the Venezuala "study" (more of an analysis but semantics) their conclusion was that since the PMs still lost value, it was a waste of time. From my point of view, even though PMs lost value, they didn't lose nearly as much value as the fiat did. Like not even in the same ballpark. So I say if you're in that situation, I'd MUCH rather have PMs. Not an investment, cuz it lost value, but protected purchasing power more than just about anything else except for niche localized items that are hard to predict and harder to store. If you know what those items might be, have access, and can store them then I say go ahead, do both. Depending on the situation, maybe bullets, coffee, t.p., tampons, meds, seeds, alcohol, cigarettes, the list of possibilities is long. Skills are great too, do you know how to purify water, create and store electricity, preserve food, breed livestock, set a broken bone...
Everyone's situation is different, everyone's prep will be different, there's no one-size-fits-all for every person in every situation.
However, IMO, PMs are the closest you'll get. In most bad-times scenarios, outliers notwithstanding, PMs are going to be good to have.
Also shiny stuff with nice art good, centralized fiat bad.

>> No.19469148

>>19469084
If we're talking about the USD, then I'd ask has it ever been replaced? (I don't honestly know; I'd assume not) Are you expecting it to be replaced? The US is a sovereign nation, separated by oceans from the rest of the world. It has farmland, the largest military force, one of the most reliable economies, etc. It's not going down. Hell, even China has a better chance of falling than the USD (simply due to their political structure).

I think your question is a fair question, except that it is outside the realm of possibility unless the world ends. If that happens, you'll need more than gold to survive the in-between until the economy gets restarted. Have you got those supplies?

>>19469094
No prob; they multiply as time goes on. I agree that everything is a pyramid scheme of sorts...my frustration comes from the fact that I want to become the top of the fucking pyramid. I'm tired of paying people twice for things. It's bullshit.

The tangibility is real, for sure. I think it's a danger though: it appeals to the emotional comfort we feel instead of the indiscriminate data that suggests otherwise. It's like survivors of extreme poverty who always need a bowl of bread or food on the table at all times, because psychologically they can't handle it if they can't see that food is available.

>>19469139
Def. not trolling. Pissed off is more like it. I'll respond in length in the next one.

>> No.19469162

>>19469020
>If USD is the strongest, then why would it fail?
Ah i almost forgot that the strongest currency can not fail...All it takes to destroy the dollar would be for SA and Russia to screw over American oil companies and get rid of the petrodollar
But if your faith in the USD is so great then you should stay away from PMs

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>>19469148
Some periods of human history change quickly but gold and silver last for dynasties.

>> No.19469226

>>19469139
First, I completely agree about needing skills to survive; that's as much a priority as weapons to protect your property, supplies for daily use and bartering, etc.

Regarding PMs being better in bad-times scenarios than fiat, again I completely agree.

The problem I see though in discussion about all this is that we don't get Anons who are saying, "I live in an impoverished country which changes leaders every 6 months that has no remaining water or electrical infrastructure worth talking about, and I want to buy a few silver rounds"....it's mainly Anons who are living in the US or other safe western nations, thinking they'll make money by buying shittonnes of silver and trading it for gold when the ratio gets lower, or magically figuring out when to sell their stack of silver and buy gold in order to 'make a profit'. None of this makes sense to me.

If I were in an EU nation, I'd be converting my money right now into USD in preparation for the eventual dissolution of the EU: that is far more likely in the next 20 years than the USD suddenly going kaputt.

Also, shiny stuff with nice art is awesome. I agree! (I really want that Kraken now...the price has come down from yesterday...should I buy?)

>>19469162
Yes, SA and Russia could get rid of the petrodollar. What would other countries do? Would Canada suddenly have a shittonne of rubles to buy natural gas? What about Britain? Furthermore, US is now an oil exporter, which keeps them in the power position. None of what you said makes sense.

The petrodollar isn't the only thing keeping the USD as the international currency. If one were to make a list, it might go something like this:

1) Largest military power in the world.
2) Most stable democratic government in the world.

Those two things allow for the US to be an economy that other countries rely upon to be healthy (if the US is healthy, China is healthy).

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>>19469148
>If we're talking about the USD, then I'd ask has it ever been replaced
ask me how i know youre retarded
>the "dollar" was a fixed weight of silver and gold for hundreds of years
>US "dollar" is our version of the spanish pieces of 8
>oops we put too much on the credit card to fight in a rice farmer civil war
>silver is removed from circulation
>the french dont wanna hold paper, redeem for gold from the US
>we balk and tell them to fuck off
>STAGFLATION
>gold goes from the $40s to over $800
>congress gets rid of usury laws
>interests rates go full on kike tier
>not knowing the currency you use has little to none intrinsic value
>not knowing the federal reserve notes are debt obligations
NGMI

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>>19469148
All reserve currencies fail eventually, it’s just part of the ebb and flow of human history. Insofar as all value is consensus value and that we’re collectively not all that advanced psychologically, shiny metals have always had value. Think of an ounce of gold as the distillation of the effort required to find, extract and refine it. By no means am I saying go all in on pms or on any particular asset class, but it never hurts to be diversified. Full disclosure: I am not buying at today’s prices. Wait until shit settles down and dca in desu senpai

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Fresh arrival today

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>>19469251

>> No.19469271

>>19469185
Yes. And? Did you sell off your precious metals when they were highest and make a profit? Did you buy when they were at their statistical lowest in order to gain value as they rose again?

My stocks and shit took a dive in March too, like everyone's. Then it recovered again. As I said, my portfolio is still making more interest and dividends than gold. I'm not in a country that has the potential to collapse and be reformed due to international influence or inner turmoil....

>>19469241
No shit, all currencies are fiat now. And have people made a profit from holding gold over 100 years? Nope. Inflation and deflation still lead to a situation where gold has a value based on the real value vs. the one that is printed. That's why it doesn't matter (because if you work a job, you're not paid in gold. If you were, that would make a difference).

>>19469242
But this is my point. Why? Why bother diversify into PMs? The only people who win are those who sell it to us and buy back for less value. We lose both times in value.

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>>19468911
Gold has done pretty well over the past decade, but regardless, you shouldn't buy PMs with making money in mind. They're best treated as a way of holding wealth outside of the Banking system over the long term.

>> No.19469309

>>19469271
You pay fees when you buy and sell stocks, or when you exchange currencies at the bank. Does your aversion to lining the pockets of the moneychangers dissuade you from doing either of those things? Banks in particular make money off any deposits you hold there, does that piss you off enough to close your account and swear off banks? Everything’s a scam of sorts, but once again tangibility is hard to come by.

>> No.19469315

Let me put it another way.

Diversifying your savings is supposed to protect you from fluctuations in the market. That if one sector takes a hit, another takes the hit at another time or rises to compensate.

This is only important if you're selling at the time when the hit happens. If you can hold off (i.e. make money and not spend money) then you can ride over the period of instability until your investments get back to the median value.

If you're in a country that's fucked, then you leave before shit hits the fan (which is what the majority of people in Venezuela who had the ability and funds to do so did). If you're superrich and connected to the govt or banks, you stayed and took advantage of the poverty, and if you were super poor you suffered.

Do any of you expect this in the US? Be real now.

>> No.19469325

>>19468636
You are talking about past performance like it´s is a good way to measure the future. Gold can sky rocket to $5k easy in the next 3 years. Low iq to look at the past and make your decisions from that

>> No.19469328

>>19469020
As an American I don't want the USD to fail.

That being said It would be foolish of me to think that it could never happen during my life or my grand kids life. There are many ways it could fail which I feel other anons could explain better, but no reserve currency lasts forever.

The rest of the world would easily throw America under the bus and bend over for China as seen with belt and road. There would be financial armageddon for sure but that is when a new currency would emerge like we are hearing about a digital yuan.

As far as prepping for lighters, etc, I consider gold and silver as part of my financial prepping and if it gives me the option to transfer my wealth over to the new system or relocate to a better place as seen with people fleeing Venezuela.

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>>19469271
>my portfolio is still making more interest and dividends than gold
can you get more retarded, yeah i bet. gold is savings not a productive asset

>And have people made a profit from holding gold over 100 years? Nope
your dumbass is wrong again. in nominal terms the price went from 20.67 in 1920
to what it is now 1747. even more so, those same coins are worth a premium over their metal weight

gtfo outta here with your sub saharan iq.

>> No.19469394

>>19468845
You have obviously never held a big gold bar in your hand. There is nothing like it, it´s euphoric. Gold is like a drug and has been that for thousands of years. It will make a comeback, and the digitalization of the world is bullish for gold. People will start to appreciate physcal things again. Crytpo will never replace gold because it´s not physical.

>> No.19469403

>>19469305
Yup, I completely agree. What I'm wondering though is what benefit that has if the system you're in will can not collapse.

>>19469309
My aversion occurs when I do the calculations on how much money I lose. PMs don't increase in value past the premiums on average, and lose often. So why would I put money into something as a hold only to lose money in the long run? That doesn't make sense.

Regarding banks; of course they rob me too, and it does piss me off. However banks are a necessity of modern life in order to do business; it can't be done otherwise. PMs are not a necessity of modern commerce, that's why it seems like snake oil.

>>19469325
Agreed, past performance doesn't predict the future. In fact, nothing can predict the future. Gold can also do what it's done historically ever since the time of the egyptians: stay the same. Unfortunately, there isn't a reason to do either, but one has historical precedent.

>>19469328
Your points are fair. Being cognoscente of financial possibilities is always smart, but I'd argue that there are other factors that help us to understand why PMs have fallen towards fear-mongering in the west. China doesn't have power over the US, and the US would rather go to war with them than have their USD destroyed (and the power that goes along with it). And the US would win in this scenario, that's a mathematical certainty. Any digital currencies are opposed by the majority of bank owners, and thus they will be fought tooth-and-nail until they are eradicated. That's an ancillary reason incidentally that currencies like bitcoin will never go anywhere.

Regarding financial prepping: you'd need a lot of PMs to transfer your wealth over to the new system and survive the period of uncertainty. 5-10 years of living wealth, in other words, unless you simply plan to leave and smuggle the gold out with you. It's a lot, and certainly more than the 5-10% figure that is 'recommended'.

>> No.19469412

>>19468845
good luck with your stocks and crypto if society collapses. They will go to 0

>> No.19469439

>>19469403
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he doesn’t exist. The foundation of our economic system is still gold, but that truth has been hidden to allow for the creation of staggering amounts of debt (money) on that narrow foundation. Buy some or don’t, I’m going to bed.

>> No.19469447

>>19469359
Correct; in this case, it would have been a financial mistake to invest 5-10% of my savings into PMs because I'd be worth less than I am now.

1920 and today are obviously different because of the change to fiat currency plus inflation. C'mon now, use your head.

>>19469394
I appreciate and agree with the aesthetic quality of the material. That is not in denial! I'm being an asshole about the data, not the material. If we were talking palladium, or platinum, or silver, it would still be the same.

>>19469412
Agreed, if society collapses, we're all fucked. You need guns, ammo, food, ways to produce food, medical supplies, survival skills, land, etc. If you're lucky, you'll have a few stacks of gold that you can guard for the period of uncertainty (without bartering it) so that if a government can be formed and general currency reinstated, you can transfer your precious metals into fiat currency once again. That is, if your government hasn't forcefully confiscated it before the fall or if looters haven't done so during.

What would happen if we took the Mad Max scenario out of it entirely? Then it becomes what >>19469094 said, which is still the closest to the truth I can find here: they're shiny rocks that make us feel good.

>> No.19469458

>>19468911
i´m getting a free high everyday from touching my 10oz gold coin. How is that not winning? I have a drug that never runs out.

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>>19469403
>China doesn't have power over the US
you gotta be over 18 to use 4channel. they've been waging asymmetric war against the US for over 30 years and are ready to fight

>In fact, nothing can predict the future
>the US would win in this scenario
lol, do tell us the parameters of this simulation you ran

talk about using your head, pull yours out of your ass. say AWWW and get spoon fed this chart. notice the date of the divergence

>> No.19469524

>>19469439
I'm not convinced. Debt in the modern day is an allowance to control the value of paper money, that's all. But you can't make money in that system if you don't take advantage of what the system allows. Gold doesn't do this; it takes you out of the system however it still is subject to it. That's a lose-lose.

>>19469458
10oz? I don't know anyone who mints a 10oz coin....they do 10oz bars, and also 1/10oz coins....
Regarding your point: agreed, it has aesthetic value that affects you emotionally. I get the same from a good book, or a rare musical instrument I can play, or a car that's awesome. It's all the same. The interplay between the material and the human is not the issue I'm concerned about; it's about the mathematical certainty that I'll lose if I were to invest heavily into PMs over the long term; that's bullshit to me.

>>19469485
US military is superior. Their technology is superior. The support for their system is more widespread in the world than Communist China. In an actual war (economic plus military) the US would win, but a destruction of China would decimate the cheap-goods market for the world and the average cost of goods would increase (but wages would also increase).

The parameters of the simulation are easy:

1) The reason the US is trying to clamp down on China in the south-sea is because the US needs Japan to control the sea-zone in order to cut off oil supplies to China in case of war. China relies on oil from the Middle East. That's the reason why China is building the illegal military islands. First, and most importantly, this is the US first move; cut off the oil, and take control of the sea.
2) No need to do a land battle; starve them economically. It would be devastating (North Korea level) because China needs to import still in order to feed their country.
3) Add in the continuous 2 trillion per month stimulus China injects into their economy to keep it liquid, and you have a guaranteed collapse, cont.

>> No.19469532
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>>19469226
>>19469271
>>19469315

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf0_nMaQ6tA
So that podcast is really long, and a lot of anons think Rogan is either an idiot or illumanurti controlled opposition or both, and Weinstein is in fact Jewish. If those things mean you don't want to learn then disregard and move on.
I found it interesting though, they touch on a lot of different topics that I find fascinating, from group psychology to Epstein to unified field theory.
The part that's pertinent to the topic at hand though is where he talks about the Great Sleep. Basically many years, generations even, of good times have made everyone complacent and ill-prepared for change and upheaval. It's almost inconceivable to most that what is today, and has been yeaterday and the day before, would not be the same tomorrow. I.E., "Has that ever happened to you? No? Then why waste time preparing, it's not gonna happen..."

All reserve currencies fail. All fiat currencies fail. Will it happen in my lifetime? I don't know. It's looking more likely all the time, but who knows. They might pull enough shenanigans to keep it limping along for who knows how long, or it might crash tomorrow.
Skills, including the skills to observe, analyse, synthesize and prepare, are good to have. I'd like to learn skills, to preserve skills, and even if I don't ever need them, pass them on so that future generations have them if they need them.
Learning how economies work is good. Being able to thrive in good times as well as bad is ideal. Stocks, crypto, assets, fiat, skills, knowledge, and yes, precious metals are all tools in the tool kit for different jobs.
(cont.)

>> No.19469542

>>19469524
cont.; resulting in government agents fighting for supremacy and killing off their rivals, local governments struggling to keep a starving population alive or docile, and so forth. Either a new communist leader (i.e. a new Mao) emerges or the country would be 'saved' into democracy.

There is no scenario where China wins against the US and by extension the Western World and Europe. If the majority of the world was Communist and the US was one of 3 countries that was democratic, then I'd say it's possible....but not this way.

C'mon man.

>> No.19469561

>>19469042
>Pm´s have done bad in the past, therefore it´s a bad investment.

Having a little hedge is never a bad investment. Gold is the closest thing to true money, not currency. All the easy gold have been mined. The safety feeling that comes with it is invaluable.

>> No.19469584

>>19469532
I'm not averse to watching it, but as I agree fully with the premise (i.e. the Black Sheep scenario that Taleb talks about), then I can agree with you. Looking forward to the cont.

>>19469561
This is the point of other articles though: gold has never been a good hedge. That's the point. Why it is thought of as a hedge seems more and more like the same social manipulation that we see in the diamond industry; just a reason for people to spend money on things as a distraction from where you can actually gain power (i.e. property, government influence, etc.).

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>>19469532
(cont.)
Most ppl shouldn't buy PMs trying to make a quick profit. However, in some situations, profits can be had. PMs can facilitate. If you're trying to flee, maybe crossing several borders to get to a better place, PMs can facilitate. If you're protecting buying power, PMs can facilitate. If you're trying to withdraw from participation in a system you disagree with, PMs can facilitate. If your prep had neglected something and you need to barter, PMs can facilitate. PMs are pretty close to having a universal adapter.

As far as the Kraken? I like the art a lot. I'd buy some myself, but I don't like any coins with the Queen on the other side. It's a shame, there are a lot of coins where I really like the art, but there's an evil lizard on the reverse. I can't support that. If you don't mind the royal hegemony though then I say go for it, the art is awesome!

>> No.19469615

>>19469148
Usa will lose it´s superpower status and the usd will eventually lose it reserve currency status. USA have reched it´s peak and it´s only downhill from here. If you can´t see this by now, you´re literally to dumb to help.

>> No.19469657

>>19469586
Again, I completely agree with your first paragraph. If PMs were advertised as what you describe, then it would be far more honest. But instead it's all based on fear: 'a hedge against hyperinflation', 'security against an insecure future', etc. If the material were valuable, those selling it wouldn't have to work so hard to do ply their trade. Furthermore, they wouldn't have to use the stale argument that 'the govt doesn't want you to know about this secret but you're smarter than that'. If the govt or the system didn't want people buying gold, they'd outlaw that.

Curious your thoughts on the Queen. Since I can't do anything about her, and since it's still one of the purest coins I can find that I like, I don't honestly care. I've lived in commonwealth countries my entire life, so it's not odd seeing her on the back of a coin. Seeing Prince Charles with his big ears though...that'll be fucking hilarious.

>>19469615
That's...just great. When the US goes downhill, I'll finally buy that winning lottery ticket and Daddario will convince Biel and to be sisterwives to me when I go live on a secluded farm. I can't fucking wait...

>> No.19469683

>>19469524
nigger your high on your own supply. i swear you gotta be the same fool here citing harry dent a month ago
>hubris will be your downfall

>>19469615
this anon will not get burnt by the Sun

>> No.19469702

>>19469226
Both those two points you listed at the end will change in the next 100 years, most likely. High Iq anon here. Usa and europe is on a clear downtrend. east asia will take over more and more, thats one scenario. The other is that the whole world including east asia will go to chit, but china will likely hold it togheter better in a crisis than america, as already witnessed. Usa is screwed short term/mid term. Very long term (>1000 years), America will perhaps be allright, because of great geography, but it will not be america anymore by then, and the dollar will not be used. The geopolitics is clear.

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>>19469615
No nation has had the world's dominant currency for more than 120 years, the dollar has been dominant for almost 100 now, a financial reset seems nearly inevitable going off of the long term pattern.

>> No.19469749

>>19469683
Definitely wasn't me...I only started posting last week.

>>19469702
I disagree with that assessment, but mostly due to the political factors at play in East Asia vs. the US. Europe has it's own problems, and I'm convinced that the EU will be gone by 2030. But short to mid-term? The US has the demographics, the economy, the production, the technology...everything. Other countries aren't as fortunate.

That being said, I also listen to Zeihan a lot...so that is heavily influencing my thoughts. Of course, I haven't found much data to contradict his conclusions, though his predictions always seem to be off by a few years. Such is life.

>>19469713
A fair point, but I'd be very curious as to what could possibly be the replacement. Remember that all of these were countries that had colonies that they gained wealth from, Britain being the last great commonwealth. The US doesn't have colonies on this scale; their wealth is technological and political. There's a huge difference.

That plus the recent one that changed over due to the WWI.

Could there be a new WW? Possibly. If so, is there anything that could destroy the US without destroying the world as well from retaliation? Nope.

Thanks everyone for the discussion; I always learn something new. Silver went down today...hopefully it'll keep going down just so I can buy 2 krakens instead of 1.

>> No.19469752

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXrA58CSGbk&t=1446s

Good gold documentary. Rich people are buying more and more, hiding it away in the mountains.

>> No.19469794

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwCkSjG4ZQE&t=1290s

Gold price is manipulated in several ways.

>> No.19469798

>>19467554
>>19468213
https://www.youtube.com/user/belangp
i just found this guys channel about 2 weeks ago and i should have included it in the op list

>> No.19469815

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBZmEoEJxyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n-yTT18nFk
these videos are pretty eye opening and explain a lot
>tldr
>gold STILL backs the FED

>> No.19469825

>>19467825
>Brittania bars back in stock, anyone have any and do they look as cool in person as they do in pictures?

They’re nothing special, if the premium is low they’re nice but I prefer the 10 oz bars from the Royal Canadian Mint.

>> No.19469856

>>19469403
I feel that it is impossible to predict what will be the end of the USD but it still interesting to speculate. Gold takes out alot of the speculation because it will always be a way to have wealth separate from your government.

It dosen't take alot of gold to start a new life, as seen with most society collapse, people find places with better opportunities. You think our grandparents had 5-10 years of living wealth when they came here? Most only could get enough for the boat ride over and made a life for themselves. If you decide to leave your country or state PMS will give you more breathing room and opportunists.

Of course I must address why gold and silver is seen as fear-mongering, and that is because if you buy gold and silver you already have distrust in the system.

>> No.19470039

>>19469657
> If the govt or the system didn't want people buying gold, they'd outlaw that.

You do realize that gold has been forbidden and confiscated before right?

>> No.19470114

>>19469542
europe and usa will destroy itself. A multikulti society always fail in the long term, since u put so great importance of history

>> No.19470134

>>19470039
Exactly why people tell you not to vault your shit.

>> No.19470219

>>19470039
it´s not forbidden anymore, but the government and banks are funding propaganda that discredits gold, so the average man won´t buy.

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>>19467554
Today's delivery. 1 kilo of massive fucking silver. Tastes just as good as i imagined!

>> No.19471089
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>>19469524
>In an actual war (economic plus military) the US would win

lol

>> No.19471099
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>>19469657
It's not only her I object to, it's the dynasties and systems she represents. Depending on how deep down the sliding scale of conspiracy theories one wants to go...
On the uppermost end of the scale, the proven/admitted/documented stuff... there's the financial shenanigans, the wars for profit, the Bilderberg type stuff. There's the common thread of contempt for their own subjects, Philip wanting to be reincarnated as a pandemic to kill enough people to lower the population. Bazillions of dollars spent on parties and palaces and gardens while a huge portion of her "subjects" (the contempt is embedded in the very language) stay poor. We'd love to help them out, but there's just not enough money in the budget, you see... There's the systems that conspire to keep the majority of the population ignorant and servile, working hard their whole lives to pay the taxes that pay for the fetes, instead of helping them blossom and expand the upper bounds of human potential. There's the surveillance state, the UK has China-level panopticon going on. The basic human right of self-defense almost totally taken away (Oi! Got a license for that teaspoon? Better bin it!), expressing thoughts and opinions can get you sent to prison, etc etc...
Don't get me wrong, all this stuff goes on over here too, and I object to that as well. It's bad enough that we worship celebrities and reality tv stars, now there's a portion of Americans obsessed with royalty too. Just like the reality shows, they cross-network, see Harry and Meghan. Depending on which conspiracy theories you believe, there's either a whole bunch of kiddie-diddling going on, with coverups right and left... or there's a network of Egyptian-Sumerian/Kabbalist/Luciferians who literally fuck, kill, and eat children because of some blend of ancient and modern religious beliefs. I don't know for sure if the latter is true of course, but if it is I'm against it. The former is pretty much an open secret.
(cont.)

>> No.19471112
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>>19471099
(cont.)
I joke about reptilians because it's funny, but I'm pretty sure the royals and their non-royal buddies are just a bunch of rich powerful fucks who think that their bloodlines give them the right to victimize entire nations and brainwash them into loving it. I think that they hold the human race back, keep them from fulfilling their potential.
Nothing against any of the people who reside in any of the commonwealth countries, I consider them brothers and wish them freedom and liberty and good luck in pursuit of happiness.
These are just my opinions, and I respect if others feel differently. If one has no issue with the royals, then buy their coins and God bless! No ill feelings at all. I wish I didn't have the objections to the royals that I do, my coin collection would have a lot more beautiful art!

>> No.19471220

>>19468636
"The data so far says that PMs are worse than stocks when increasing value taking into account inflation"
People tend to think that PM's are worse than stocks on the long run because they have been brainwashed to think so.
In fact, it's the complete opposite: ALL corporations fail after a certain time but PM's retain their value. So stocks are better on the short run IF you sell your stocks before the corporation go banckrupt.
"the only people advising for PM's are sellers" => false: large banks (that are not bullion dealers) are advising to hold it now (JPMorgan, Bank of America, etc)
"can anyone tell me why it's 'recommended' by virtually every beginner's investor to have 5-10% of your total savings in PMs" => that's an easy one: PM's have proven been an effective hedge for centuries. You've got recency bias, thinking that it's not usefull because PM's had been beaten for 50 years. What are 50 years compared to 3000 years ? Nothing. Gold IS monney, that's why central banks are buying it like crazy and old oligarchs family hoard it.
"no one seems to win in the PM circle except the people who facilitate the buying, selling, and protecting of them" => wrong, again (and it could apply to stocks too: the banks are the one gaining from you buying stocks, wheter you win or loose). I got several ounces of gold last year and sold some of them, making a nice profit: your statement is incorrect.
"all of these only had examples of hyperinflation in third world countries and not the USA" kek. The FED is printing like crazy. Productivity is in free fall and money printing is going throug the roof. Less production, more money in circulation. Hyperinflation is coming is the USA before 2030
"Mike Maloney, author of "Guide to Investing in Gold and Silver". Are you joking? " => moron. if you refuse to listen to someone because of his profession you should not trust banckers telling you to buy stocks either. Mike Maloney have done great research about PM's

>> No.19471263

>>19468845
That Forbes link is retarded

1st ITS A FROM FUCKING FORBES

2nd They based info off of 2013 levels before inflation went to Fucking trillions in months making its 7.2 % to more like 104.5 % the shit is a fucking clown show.

>> No.19471331

>>19469524
"US military is superior. Their technology is superior." dude. Putin told us severals months ago that they've got hypersionic nuclear warheads torpedo. Even anti missile shield cannot do shit against it.
American have the best military spending =/= military superiority
Holy fuck, US army even lost against fucking FARMERS in VIETNAM.
Technology isn't the alpha and the omega of war. Bombing Even years of bombing Irak with high tech drones and missiles couldn't defeat a little number of archaic sand-niggers kek

>> No.19471371

>>19469271
I'm not telling you you're wrong but you're not right gold hasn't "increased " nominally because the price is being suppressed like silver but in use case/demand it's gone up prompting the price The U.S debt clock on the very far right is the actual realized price of gold by the official government standard they've admitted they are suppressing the price it's just that the more they print the more they hope to ease the crash so we dont get bought out as a nation.

>> No.19471712

>>19471371
>I'm not telling you you're wrong but you're not right
Anything that comes after a line like that is 50% cope and 50% nonsense.

>> No.19471956
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Hello gentlemen.
Recently I've been stacking more as a hobby than an investment. Something cool to leave to kids if (God willing) I should ever have any. Of course, my plans might change if we see a moon mission. I'm wondering how many anons share my mindset.
Pic is my very humble stack.

>> No.19472438

>>19468108
Thinking of getting 1 or 2 10 oz Brittania bars just because I'm an impulsive bastard

>> No.19472486

>>19468108
Yes, I put any spare cash I can in, I have low long term faith in the dollar.

>> No.19472639

>>19471956
Nice collection anon, I like that you got 1 of each of the major national 1 Oz's. I share a similar mentality, I want a small but respectable about of PM's, I'm not trying to ride a silver moon mission.

>> No.19472764

>>19469258
>5 won
that's like half a penny lol. Nice piece.

>> No.19473558

>>19471089
he said an actual war not a cleaning staff posing for a picture

>> No.19473762

>>19471331
We really do need something more intellectually rigorous than captchas

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>>19469305
things can change quickly anon

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>>19471956
Nice Franklins, anon. I'm getting into those myself

>> No.19474292

Entire dynasties were built on 100oz of gold, now this only like 200k

>> No.19474385

>>19474292
its almost like theres more of it, above the ground or something

>> No.19474392

>>19474139
Thanks anon.
Those reichsmarks? You know a reputable site where I could get some?

>> No.19474447

>>19474292
$200K worth of the right shit today would make you Ghengis Khan tier if transposed back in time

>> No.19474494

>>19469749
>18 posts by this ID
This fucking autistic monkey came back for more I see. Last time he was here I tried very calmly explaining PM investing to him and then he came back for more. You have to be one of the most obtuse autistic retards Ive ever encountered on the internet. Your stamina is insane. You just pretend to not get it or some shit then make these half ass retard arguments about why PM's arent "worth it." Then fuck off moron. Dont buy PMs and dont post in these threads. What the fuck is wrong with you. Go pay someone to invest your money for you and save yourself the trouble. Time is the most valuable asset to human beings and you waste your time shitting up these threads . Un-fucking-believable.

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>>19474392
no, I usually just buy them in lots off ebay, only way to get them remotely cheap with the swastika. There is a high premium on them because of MUH SWAZI but it's lower if you buy them in groups. Ones with older eagle and no Swastika go for a lot less, but the single ones with swastika go for a lot because a lot of people want an example of "OMG EVIL NAZI COIN REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST"
I collect WWII German stuff so I wanted a good chunk of them

>> No.19474514

>>19474494
He's probably an autistic college student with nothing to so but LARP as an intellectual jack-off

>> No.19474709

>>19474392
Only worth buying on eBay. And that's probably only for Germany. You can get them close to spot sometimes on there, but it's just 12,5g silver per 5 Reichsmark. Collecting them is advisable nevertheless. My power level is increasing with each new coin

>> No.19474851

Is there a way to buy cheap scrap/junk gold? Don't care about liquidity, long term holder. Just bought some eagles, so I'm mr. frugal for a while.

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>>19467554
Any place with in stock silver and not insane mark ups?

>> No.19475081

>>19474851
id imagine either scrap jewelry (high copper content for strength) or gold shot

>> No.19475102

>>19474963
https://findbullionprices.com/

>> No.19475139

>>19475102
>https://findbullionprices.com/
thanks anon

>> No.19475170

>>19474447
please elaborate. 200k is not "WORLD EMPEROR" status m8

>> No.19475252

>>19475081
>gold shot
looks expensive

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>>19475170
>he’s not stacking to become a local warlord

>> No.19475282

>>19475274
Rob Schneider looks like that now?

>> No.19475284

>>19475252
you said you didnt care about liquidity, gold happens to be expensive anon

>> No.19475310

wtf is this jewry?

>> No.19475642
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19475642

>Bullion Dealers
https://www.apmex.com/
https://www.boldpreciousmetals.com/
https://www.bgasc.com/
https://www.gainesvillecoins.com/
https://www.jmbullion.com/
https://www.providentmetals.com/
https://www.silvertowne.com/
https://sdbullion.com/
https://schiffgold.com/
https://goldsilver.com/
https://pinehurstcoins.com/
https://www.sprottmoney.com/
https://www.moneymetals.com/
https://monumentmetals.com/
https://www.goldenstatemint.com/
https://goldsilver.be/en/
https://www.muenze-berlin.de/
https://www.hollandgold.nl/
https://www.europesilverbullion.com/
https://www.celticgold.eu/en/
https://www.muenzeoesterreich.at/eng/

>Compare
https://findbullionprices.com/

>News
https://www.kitco.com/
http://silverseek.com/
https://www.mining.com/

>Bullion tax info by state:
https://www.apmex.com/state-sales-tax-information

>Prospecting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCL6FKQZyoM
https://www.usgs.gov/energy-and-minerals/mineral-resources-program/science
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/mineral-exploration-mining/documents/mineral-titles/mt-faqs/faq_fmc.pdf
https://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/en/mines-and-minerals/mining-act
https://www.amazon.ca/Gold-Creeks-Ghostowns-British-Columbia/dp/088839988X

>Test
Nitric Acid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mg9YcAShTo
Magnets, how do they work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgSXg-WOEVY
https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/resources/fake-bullion-database
https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/resources/identifying-fake-bullion

>YouTube/Podcasts
https://www.youtube.com/user/silverguru David Morgan
https://www.youtube.com/user/SprottGlobal
https://www.youtube.com/user/KitcoNews
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqmToXM7x2tD7-2rs0KvObA
https://www.youtube.com/user/GoldAndSilverClub1
https://www.youtube.com/user/whygoldandsilver
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCED7G7CZfqdSV9zttlr1M_g
https://www.youtube.com/user/belangp


Housewife status:

>> No.19475681

^^^Cleaned up the salad, fixed missing meme arrow, has added links
Other anons fixed dead yt links, added belangp

When copypasting, remove "embed" otherwise they stack up

>> No.19475943

>>19475681
nice work anon

>> No.19476007

whats the ideal ratio to stack gold and silver at? is it whatever the current gold:silver ratio is?

>> No.19476161

>>19476007
kind of a personal pref, but sub 1:100 is usually advisable

>> No.19476286

>>19475681
Well done

>>19476007
Ive seen 70/30 gold to silver for long term wealth preservation. Go higher silver for playing the spot ratios

>> No.19476377

>>19476007
60% gold, 30% silver, 10% platinum

>> No.19476513

Are old European gold coins worth it for buying fractional at low premiums, or will it be too much of a PITA to sell them?

>> No.19476637

>>19476513
FUND IT

>> No.19477029
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19477029

>>19475943
>>19476286
Right on
Activates my ocd when things get all messy

>> No.19477302
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>>19473895
Based.
I'm fed up with the retarded boomer mindset of
>you shouldn't have profit in mind, PMs are only for wealth preservation
>muh classy suit over the ages
WRONG
It's wrong on so many fucking levels. I don't hoard silver to preserve my wealth, i stack to become RICH AS FUCK.
I treat it like any shitcoin but with 1000000000x better fundamentals. All the boomies act like if reevaluation can't and won't occur. They act as if manipulation on the COMEX isn't a thing and can last forever. Suppressing PMs prices is currently the only reason why normans still trust worthless debased fiat. It's the only thing keeping us enslaved, PMs will very soon means freedom and GENERATIONAL WEALTH.
Let me tell yall a secret : it fucking will happen. And your silver oz will be worth at least $3K of current purchasing power. There is no other options. It's the only outcome possible.

If you aren't bullish as all fuck on gold&silver, you don't understand shit. When i look at my coins, i don't see a shitty retirement plan i see thousands of pic related being my fucking PROPERTY and GOD-GIVEN RIGHT.

>> No.19477369

>>19470270
What's your entire stack look like Dino Man, seems like you have a bunch. How do you decide when to buy?

>> No.19477405

>>19467554
why do you guys collect coins

>> No.19477426
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>>19477405
It's not coins, it's lolis certificates.

>> No.19477437

>>19471099
There's plenty of evidence to suggest that the elite do fucked up stuff and get away with it in plain view, are you the anon who had a Gadsden ring? I got some Gadsden rounds thinking something similar lol

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>>19471099
Occultanon here, i could do a QRD (which will still be a wall of text) about the (((royal family))) in the next thread if enough anons are interested. They are the center pieces of the NWO, ie anglo-israelism, and believe shit you couldn't even imagine.

>> No.19477741

>>19475274
i just noticed the little napkin he put under his elbow so his sweet turtle neck doesn't become soiled

>> No.19477768

>>19477709
Do it

>> No.19477851
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>>19477437
Unfortunately I don't own the ring, I did post the pic though. I don't wear rings, good way to lose a finger, but I do appreciate the artistry.
Check out
>>19439644
they have a lot of nice rings including Gadsden ones. There's lots of other folks too, check etsy.

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>>19468774
Isn't "German Silver" just another name for nickel? My banjo was advertised as being "German silver plated" and it's a standard nickel plate. Jesus people are dumb, they deserve to be scammed.

>> No.19477954

>>19477426
There’s something in the water. When I was 14 girls looked like 11 year olds do now

>> No.19478121

>>19469271
Honestly I agree with all of your points and I've been mostly lurking here for over a year now
However there is a good argument to be made that silver is specifically at a very suppressed value and has the potential to moon if that ever stops, so silver will both "lock" your value in with the chance to see it jump because it definitely *is* suppressed (whether or not that will ever end/should anyone expect it to is the question, making silver's "suppressed" price effectively the real one since the situation just may not change)

Another argument to be made is that a recession or incident like we saw this year with covid can not only wipe out your gains with stocks but lose you money, but theres no way you lose everything if you have 10 ounces of gold in the backyard. Stocks can screw you more easily in situations where the economy goes bad but you dont have a total collapse.

The physical gold and silver is also a lot easier to pass onto your children without any taxes involved

>> No.19478179
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19478179

>>19477709
Go for it!

>> No.19478372
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19478372

I’m only in it for the FWTDHWs.

>> No.19478408

lol. and i convinced my best fren to buy 3 tubes of silver on the 31st

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>>19478372
>mfw got $10fv of mercs in today

>> No.19478488
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Also just wanted to share this with the PMG senpai. Found this buried in a box after my uncle died.

>> No.19478511

>>19478421
You have prepared for a paradise.

>> No.19478518

Where does /pmg/ see the gold spot next year?

>> No.19478529
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19478529

Is this the dip we've been waiting for?

>> No.19478556

>>19478518

A year from now? above $2K. In January 2021? More like 1850.

>> No.19478892

>>19477369
Premiums are probably not coming down in the foreseeable future. Hence I'm buying fancy stuff for another $1 premium on top.
Whenever I buy something I look on past sales on eBay to be sure I could immediately flip for a profit.
I've got krusty the clown, steamboat Willie, fantasia, Donald duck 85th birthday, Perth mint dragon rectangles and so on.
Currently I'm selling of coloured coins to buy more plain silver.
If you want to buy cheap, look for the places that are not listed with bullion price finders. Drop an email should you be German, I'll hook you up with the right places

>> No.19479065

>>19468878
damn bitch I sell you 100 eagles for $25 each can't wait to fuck your ass

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19479103

So I have an MS 65 Morgan that PCGS is valuing at 1750.00

Should I hang onto it? Or sell and get an oz of gold? Really want a Buffalo.

So I guess I'm asking should I trade a decent numismatic silver coin for a modern bullion gold coin?

>> No.19479133

>>19479103
When pm prices surge, the crush the numismatic premiums usually. I'd see that happen rather soon. Go for it.

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>>19479133
Hmm. Thanks for reply have more precious boobs. Any suggestions for what oz I should get if a buffalo isn't lying around? Going to sell to my LCS, if I can't do it there I'll probably just wait.

>> No.19479230

>>19479181
Thanks for the pic,anon. I'm not familiar at all with gold and what's having good chances at gaining most numismatic value. You probably can't go wrong with a dragon rectangle from Perth mint. I resell the silver counter parts for insane prices. People really want to have them.

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/pmg/ stacklet here
>28 oz silver, 15oz in three bat bois
>1 oz gold eagle
will I make it?

>> No.19479283

>>19479103
Where did you get it from?

>> No.19479304

>>19479065
Hahahahaha, I only buy them with extra money I make, I'm not planning on any serious eagles purchases until LINK really starts to take off. I'd totally buy them off you if I knew you.

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>>19479230
Sounds like a good strategy, love Perth stuff. DESU tho I don't really care much about numismatic gold, I'm just too poor for that shit mostly other than the occasional pre 33 coin. I just want more weight rn.

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>>19479065
I just bought a damaged eagle, like bent to shit and with huge holes in it for around $25 just because lmfao.

>> No.19479369

>>19479314
At this point it doesn't matter because the premiums are so fucked up.

>> No.19479379

>>19479314
Yeah it's a whole different story with gold. With my silver purchases, it's just a $1 gamble per coin that they will be sought after in case of silver.

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>>19479283
Antique shop long ago. I don't think either the seller or me realized what it's worth was, suffice to say I paid way less then the grading value. Only realized it's worth years later as I had put it away and forgotten about it.

Wouldn't silver rising + it being a numismatic make it more desirable in the future? As in I could get more gold for it when the ratio narrows? I'm just trying to think on both the pros and cons of selling it now.

>> No.19479441

>>19479393
In your example I could see it happening that your coin wouldn't gain percentage wise as much as spot silver. Paying numismatic premiums when the underlying material gets more costly is becoming less and less attractive.

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>>19479441
Makes sense. OK guys you convinced me, I'll at least chat with my LCS and see what they offer.

>> No.19479599

Why are there so many silver ounce designs no matter which site I look at? I get that they are pretty. But most of them aren't even worth more than 20 dollars at best. Some of these collector's items don't seem like a good investment let alone a good deal at all.

>> No.19479721

>>19479314
How are the coins staying on?

>> No.19479848

>>19479721
Have you not cupped a breast before? Boobs have a funky stickiness to them.

>> No.19479863

>>19479599
There are no good deals, it's all desperation buying now. Wait until the economy gets better and try again.

>> No.19479895

where can an eurofag order constitutional silver?
i only stack philharmonics but i also want some U.S coins to fondle. they simply are the best and most of ours are pleb tier in comparison (Norway)

>> No.19479965

>>19479471
They will probably offer something in the 700-900 range if it's as desirable as you suspect.

>> No.19479998

>>19479863
That's a big what if. It's not really desperation buying as much as it is a disrupted supply chain, there are a lot of people selling too.

>> No.19480071

>>19479181
that's a man

>> No.19480140

>>19479275
no but you'll at least be able to afford cat food
>>19479393
this is also a man...
>>19479599
so anon, collectables are a very random and odd thing. so its kind of hard, just because you think its a badass design doesn't mean it'll take off. and then you have to remember most silver rounds sold back to dealers actually get sent to mints to make next years coins. so something that wasn't worth anything could get 80% of its stock melted down to make a new round and become valuable all of a sudden lol

>> No.19480402

>>19479895
I have no idea anon, but I do know Europeans use a mail service to get like amazon packages and other things sent to a US address, then they get bundled up and sent to Europe. supposedly is can be way cheaper then dealing with tariffs and import fees.
also anon its warm, go take a boat trip down the English channel and pillage the coin stores...

>> No.19480440

>>19479103
Numismatics are more volatile and purely speculative, so it's up to you if you think your money is safer/preferable in Gold (plus the minor numismatic premium of a buffalo), or purely numismatic speculation. For all we know the speculative price on it could skyrocket, but it's not likely.

>> No.19480443

>>19480140
It's all very dumb, I'm just trying to stack weight, just sell that shit at spot fags!!

>> No.19481159

>>19479895
goldsilver.be

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