/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.19373465]

this is the most stupid financial system ever created by man

[Anonymous No.19373493]

>>19373465
It could be worse

[Anonymous No.19373495]

>>19373465
Correct but wrong board. Putting “financial” in the title doesn’t quite hack it lad, you need to craft your bait better

[Anonymous No.19373508]

>>19373465
no, that's Islamic Financing

[Anonymous No.19373514]

>>19373493
the avengers? agreed, capeshit is the worst

[Anonymous No.19373530]

It’s the Jews anons.

[Anonymous No.19373548]

>>19373495
its not bait i looked into it, its stupid as fuck and anyone that thinks its good are serious retards

[Anonymous No.19373549]

>>19373465
Why? You just need to count on fact that all people will suddenly act like hive minded robots that care only about fullfiling of impractical ideals.

[Anonymous No.19373591]

>>19373465
rent free

[Anonymous No.19373602]

>>19373548
Ok, I’ll bite. It’s a lovely system in theory if we lived in a Star Trek post-scarcity world but it godawful in practice because we don’t and because human nature is what it is.

[Anonymous No.19373613]

>>19373465
Dont forget they are so dumb, that they think it is realistic that all people will make all decisions about economy all day long together 24/7.

[Anonymous No.19373631]

>>19373465
This. End the Fed.

[Anonymous No.19373650]

>>19373602
Start trek had hierarchy and classes. Communism is supposedly anarchy without classes. Absolutly impossible. You cant establish such system even with 10 people.

[Anonymous No.19373655]

>>19373602
>Ok, I’ll bite. It’s a lovely system in theory
so you own land and grow food but the food you grow does not belong to you it belongs to everyone ans its taken away by the government so your hard work is pointless and for nothing and there is zero intensive for you to carry on, the most retarded financial system ever created on earth

[Anonymous No.19373663]

>>19373548
It is bait. Everyone knows, it's shit. So what, why are you making a thread here? >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.19373698]

>>19373663
because its a financial system and this is biz why else

[Anonymous No.19373942]

>>19373465
Funny how the global fx markets are based on it.
You can break the fx markets in down many ways.
Simplest one, Pegged vs Non pegged (floating).

Pegs are managed by a centralized power to keep the currencies value against another/Basket.
Floating lets the market decide the price relative another currency, but if the central power of that currency don't like the way it's going they will use a 'Dirty/Managed float'.

YEY FREEDOM
YEY CAPITALISM

[Anonymous No.19373958]

>>19373493
no it can't anarchism will moon humanity

[Anonymous No.19373972]

>>19373465
I doubt you know anything about communism except the pol propaganda you shove into your retarded mouth

[Anonymous No.19373994]

>>19373602
Have you heard of the 'mouse utopia'?

[Anonymous No.19374002]

>>19373994
yes it was false experiment, read up on it

[Anonymous No.19374049]

>>19373972
i read about it so i know its the most stupid thing ever created

[Anonymous No.19374057]

>>19374002
>yes it was false experiment, read up on it
Oh will do thx

[Anonymous No.19374160]

Why? Does OP not get that communism/socialism is a framework to build a system to and not a system in itself. You can try to get to communism from different directions and philosophies.

[Anonymous No.19374213]

>>19374160
because im not a retard

[Anonymous No.19374309]

>>19373465
Who will decide who will do what in communism? What force will make someone be sewer worker or grave digger or diappers changer in communism? Why would anyone do it if all your needs are fullfiled? Who will be these slaves spending their life fullfiling needs of others? It is going to be YOU.

[Anonymous No.19374448]

The United States is a communist state. All the companies are propped up by the government and beholden to all their rules. Nobody goes hungry because of the abundance of food infact everyone is fat. You can even lose your job and get 600+ dollars a week. All land is owned by the public because of property tax. The United States is the utopia as envisioned by Karl Marx.

[Anonymous No.19374476]

>>19373465
>spends 20 trillion on stock buybacks

[Anonymous No.19374522]

>>19374213
>because I'm not a retard

Well for one communism as described by marx was the state he predicted industrialized societies would move towards as a result of capitalism. ie capitalism leads to socialism and then from socialism governments would "whither away" into a stateless communal living situation. That communal part is what Anarcho-communists what but now instead of later.

So-called communist countries have never achieved that even if Marxism was their philosophy. What countries like the USSR and China do have were centrally-planned economies, as in Russia and then China what happened is that Lenin and such were like 'let's skip the capitalism part and instead use a one-party central planned economy and skip the capitalism part'.

What people criticize in communism is the central planned part not allowing any private enterprise, lack of democracy, and single-party rule, but China has central bureaucracies and allow private enterprise, and there is no rule in communism about not allowing democracy or multiple parties either. You could in theory have a multiparty free democracy with a central planned economy that allows free enterprise. In fact, we do have that kind of country, it's India.

[Anonymous No.19374535]

>>19374213
>>19374309
>>19374448
t. People that get their political philosophy from freshmen business class.

[Anonymous No.19374581]

>>19374448
Kek. In the West, corporate propaganda tells people to be hypersexual fatties and they comply, with said hypersexual fatties then trying to force this onto everyone in a fascist manner. Which incidentally happens in the entire West, including Europe. Meaning that both the USA and EU are oligarchies. Which is the exact opposite of countries in which actually "communist" parties are at the helm (read: China). With said "communist" party literally banning and censoring degenerate and overly obscene displays of sexuality. Even if they are not truly communist. They are much closer to it than your degenerate and liberal Western world.

[Anonymous No.19374646]

>>19374581
*Meaning that they aren't ruled by capital the way your Western oligarchies are, obviously.

[Anonymous No.19374677]

>>19374535
There is no philosophy, it is pure ideology and the United States has achieved Communism. Deal with it

[Anonymous No.19374695]

>>19374581
How is sexuality and women being free to be sex workers considered antithetical to communism? This is exactly what communism aims to achieve, equality

[Anonymous No.19375257]

>>19373465
Communism is bad yes, but there isn't necessarily some economic collapse because of it. It can work, tho it does work worse. Surprised it worked as good as it did in the soviet union, considering how insanely badly it was run.

[Anonymous No.19375275]

>>19375257
Forgot to add pic

[Anonymous No.19375769]

>>19375275
>several countries
>western europe
>spain
?????

[Anonymous No.19376277]

>>19374522
>step 1: Let's hand over all power and control of the economy as well as every important civic institution of media, education, food production, healthcare, churches, unions to the state.
>step 2: Wait for them to give up all that power and control and abolish themselves because 'reasons'
>step 3: ????
>step 4: profit!!

What could go wrong?

[Anonymous No.19376327]

>>19375257
>Communism is bad
stopped reading there, i agree its stupid as fuck and the people defending the most stupid financial system ever created are stupid as well

[Anonymous No.19376902]

>>19373655
Did you miss the part where I said it’s utter shit in practice?

[Anonymous No.19376954]

>>19373655

It's predicated on every single other person giving too and that no one is taking extra, stealing, being a worthless parasite, and there after no Jews undermining the system.

[Anonymous No.19377118]

>>19376954
Yeah the biggest flaw with Communism is that it depends on humanity not acting like humans.

[Anonymous No.19377120]

>>19373465
I find it amusing how the people who promote communism tend to be the lowest dregs of society who have nothing lose (surprised it's not more popular on this board, kek) and they just want to drag everyone down to their level because their current situation is such that the garbage system known as communism is literally a step up for them lmao.

[Anonymous No.19377214]

>>19376327
it's slavery repackaged in propaganda only so that it can be achieved
1. make them poor by fucking with markets (central banking) and call this capitalism
2. use propaganda to make them blame their poverty on capitalism
3. corrupt institutions, when people are poor there are always an excess of those willing to be corrupt in exchange for financial security (breaking bad, ozarks)
3. reach a critical point where a crisis (manufactured or not) gives you emergency power that you never give back and are never challenged because everyone is either complicit or poor
4. Human beings are now resources to be controlled by your authority. The only thing that matters is your will. You are as close to a god as a human can get
5. You are overthrown because all you really did was unite everyone against you. Making good do things is the role of evil.

[Anonymous No.19377660]

>>19374522
I'm not OP so I cannot say what he see's wrong but I can say the following are really stupid ideas. And if you ditch these ideas you are not a Marxist or a communist and instead fall under a different umbrella.
1. Dialect Materialism is a vulgar idea made off a botched understanding of Hegelian. Hegelian obviously does not apply to materialism and so the idea of a linear dialect is silly. Why would we have the dark ages if there was a dialectic in which applied to materialism? Its a huge hole that Marx attempts to sweep under the rug by only talking of class but ignoring the other obvious implication of materialistic dialectics which it does not apply.
2. The more /biz/ related LToV. You have to be so full of new school BS to believe that just because labor is correlated with value means that Labor and value are causally connected.

These two ideas are the framework for Marx's theory. They are both false, making Marxism even theoretically stupid. You will never have real communism because its based on false assumptions.

[Anonymous No.19377697]

>>19373493
Why is the anarchy symbol an A? - doesn’t that follow an established order by using the first letter of the word to be the symbol? Should they use some random letter? Wouldn’t a random letter follow the ideology more?

[Anonymous No.19377822]

If every publicly owned corporation was seized and then immediately all shares were distributed evenly across the population, would that be communism?

[Anonymous No.19377849]

>financial system
Anon I...

[Anonymous No.19377950]

>>19373602
>post scarcity
Do you really need a better argument for communism being a stupid financial system.

[Anonymous No.19377966]

>>19377214
This, "It's just slavery with extra steps" -Rick Sanchez

[Anonymous No.19378023]

>>19377950
not even that. imagine reading past "moneyless society". no non-deluded individual would take it seriously by then.

[Anonymous No.19378072]

>>19373465
Well, it worked for almost 50 years correctly.

[Anonymous No.19378123]

>>19373530
I will never get this strange fascination with Fed. Where did it hurt you?

[Anonymous No.19378207]

>>19378123
>makes you poor to maximise your employment
nothing personal cattle

[Anonymous No.19378220]

>>19373493
based avengers poster

[Anonymous No.19378236]

>>19373602
>it would work, in theory, if we had access to unlimited resources and energy
imagine unironically being a communist