/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.19229319]

Should a grown man be wasting time playing video games?

[Anonymous No.19229342]

>>19229319
there people making millions doing that so if you arent making money off it then yeah its a waste of time unless you do it for fun hobby

[Anonymous No.19229349]

>>19229319
>some of them are good at teaching you skill/improving brain function or hand eye reflexes
i personally dont play them

[Anonymous No.19229352]

>your hobby is a waste of time but mine is not

[Anonymous No.19229380]

>>19229352
>video games
>hobby
thats like saying smoking cigarettes is a hobby
its an addiction

[Anonymous No.19229385]

no one should be playing vidya nowadays

[Anonymous No.19229393]

I am working from home collecting a paycheck while also day trading and running my RuneScape account. I sell RuneScape gold. I have three incomes and RS is really the only thing that requires attention. Stay poor

[Anonymous No.19229404]

>>19229393
read a book

[Anonymous No.19229421]

>>19229393
what do you do in RS to farm gold?
osrs or rs3?

[Anonymous No.19229447]

>>19229319
Well, why stop at video games? How about all games?
Chess? Card games? Sports? Hunting?

[Anonymous No.19229456]

>>19229380
some video games are just a modern form of art and story expression. like an interactive book. yes, it is a hobby.

[Anonymous No.19229465]

>>19229319
Yes we get it, you dislike fun, go see a therapist and don't bother us

[Anonymous No.19229485]

>>19229319
Just like anything else it's fine in moderation. If you play 2-3 hours a day it's probably not a big deal as most people spend more than that watching TV. If that is all you do and you're a fat slob that avoids other fulfilling activities to play video games 12 hours a day - no.

Also wrong board faggot

[Anonymous No.19229500]

>>19229380
I smoke cigars, it's definitely a hobby. Too expensive to be an addiction.

[Anonymous No.19229504]

>>19229319
Depends on the game.

MMOs? No.

Story driven games that are similar to reading a book? Yes.

[Anonymous No.19229511]

>>19229421
RuneScape 3. Flipping archaeology materials, Santas and Halloween masks right now pulling in about 800m a day. Insane margins at the moment

[Anonymous No.19229516]

>>19229319
Durring the pandemic why the fuck not you bot.

[Anonymous No.19229535]

>>19229319
There are definitely "tiers" to hobbies. Some hobbies have additional benefits, for example lifting or running improve your health and most likely your attractiveness.

Painting or playing an instrument are useful and if you're good enough, people may even pay you money for your hobby. Girls might find these types of hobbies attractive.

Then there are hobbies that are purely mind numbing, "entertainment." For example watching movies as a hobby is pretty low on the totem pole, but it's above watching TV shows as a hobby. Both or those rank above playing video games. For the moment at least, playing video games is viewed as infantile and unrewarding by most people. Personally, I find playing video games is a nice stress reliever, but I don't want to invest too much time into it or it becomes an issue (takes time away from more important thing, they're a time sink, etc.)

In conclusion, grown men should not be wasting time playing video games.

[Anonymous No.19229538]

>>19229504
What story driven games similar to reading books are your favourite?

[Anonymous No.19229541]

>>19229319
no. unless you play in diamond and/or play classics (Dark Souls, Warcraft, Crysis, Skyrim, Civ etc)

[Anonymous No.19229553]

>>19229456
Meh. I think that element is over sold. Many do not even follow the story while they play and the plot is usually garbage.

[Anonymous No.19229559]

>>19229535
Whoa nigga, you expect us to read your diary?

[Anonymous No.19229562]

>>19229319
you should play as much and as long as you enjoy it. most grow slowly out of video games, books, and movies as they age (the higher the intelligence the easier the person begins find common entertainment boring)

[Anonymous No.19229580]

>>19229562
>the higher the intelligence the easier the person begins find common entertainment boring

[Anonymous No.19229581]

What else am I supposed to do while waiting for my shitcoins to moon? At least it prevents me from watching porn or f5ing and staring at /biz/.

[Anonymous No.19229588]

>>19229380
That assumes video games are inherently bad for you (casual gaming might be). You would be surprised how much life skills you can learn by doing anything (not just video games) competitively. You know how hard it is to take a victory over another human being? They don't just roll over and die, you need to be better than them, and that requires watching replays, analyzing how you perform, your mood, what bad patterns you fall into and how to get out of them, introspection etc. All those things apply to real life as well and can make you a better person.
That being said, if you just play with your brain turned off then it's a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.19229613]

Gotta get paid at least. Esports was the online collab activity that coin faucet was open for bets. Anyone else writing their capstone on video game as a collaborative activity?

[Anonymous No.19229616]

>>19229538
Witcher, Fallout, planescape: torment

[Anonymous No.19229624]

>>19229535
games are far more virtuous than prolechow tv

[Anonymous No.19229642]

>>19229535
>2020
>caring if girls find your hobby attractive

[Anonymous No.19229652]

>>19229580
yes because the common entertainment is aimed towards average people who find boring things entertaining. ofcourse, even the smart people as teenagers find many things fun but that changes with time. videogames are probably more entertaining than tv shows for example there is at least competitive environment and some thinking required

[Anonymous No.19229659]

>>19229616
>witcher
I fucking despised that game so much, the combat is so fucking wacky its like they pumped a game with so much content they forgot to add gameplay

[Anonymous No.19229737]

>>19229319
What a trash culture we live in. If it doesn’t lead to money, it’s a waste of time. That is the mentality of a slave. We all end up in the same place, and between then and now you can do things you enjoy because you enjoy them, or you can stress out and get more money. It’s stupid, everyone knows it’s stupid, but 99.9% of them keep playing the game, thinking that once they get that big promotion and raise, they’ll finally be happy. You won’t, you'll just be even more stressed out, driving a BMW instead of a Honda.

[Anonymous No.19229751]

>>19229319
Personally I find video games to be one of the most meaningful artistic mediums, and think that by discounting them entirely you're depriving yourself the chance to experience great art.

[Anonymous No.19229754]

>>19229737
Fucking thank you for speaking this out, /biz/ has gone to the shitter with these idiots

[Anonymous No.19229757]

>>19229380
so is watching movies and TV shows
so is reading books
socializing with other people is also an addiction
everything good is addictive you retard

[Anonymous No.19229764]

>>19229319
It's not wasting your time if you are trying to achieve greatness
Greatness such as rank 14 in classic wow

[Anonymous No.19229788]

>>19229500
>Too expensive to be an addiction.

I knew guys who blew around $1000 a week on heroin.

[Anonymous No.19229790]

>>19229456
>>19229500
>>19229757
>>19229588
lmao cope
if its not an addiction its even more pathetic that you play
read a book coping incels

[Anonymous No.19229807]

>>19229790
Why do you care so much what people do with their free time? it's almost as if you're envying them for enjoying something you can't.

[Anonymous No.19229833]

In general, its more important what you do with your other time.
And this is not black or white. You just have to be honest with yourself. Are you having fun, like other have their down time. Or are you avoiding things in life you really should pay attention to.

[Anonymous No.19229840]

>>19229553
that is true but that doesn’t mean they still don’t exist? i did not say every game has that element.

[Anonymous No.19229870]

>>19229790
i can almost guarantee i also read more books than you probably do, so you, sir, please cope harder. you are also probably the incel here.

[Anonymous No.19229889]

>>19229790
being an incel is a hobby

[Anonymous No.19229904]

>>19229652
I'm pretty sure there's no correalation and you're just making shit up.
There are different types of games, and if they have a competitive scene, there's almost endless variety of experience, making it entertaining for lengthy amount of time (by the time it gets old, new games would probably be available) I.e. some CSGO pros are in their 30's, and they started awhile back.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's a type of intelligence in itself; I doubt some even high IQ individuals would ever be as good as some of the best who played the game.
It's more likely the case that there's a random stigma associated with it. I could care less if it ever changes, if it's done in moderation, it's not a problem.

[Anonymous No.19229907]

>>19229562
>you get too smart for "books"
Fuck me this board is turning into a retard clusterfuck.

[Anonymous No.19229913]

>>19229319
People with far more money and more fulfilling lives than you play video games. Some people do it for a living and make millions. Archaic argument.

[Anonymous No.19229917]

>>19229319
No, but Mario Party & Goldeneye for N64 is okay here and there.

[Anonymous No.19229942]

>>19229790
>read a book
Are you addicted to books or something? Take a walk through the forest.

[Anonymous No.19229953]

>>19229319
should you be caring what i do with my free time?

>>19229380
stop being addicted to 4chan and get out and do something then dumbass

[Anonymous No.19229960]

>>19229447
Real life games have a social element to them that video games have not. Youre literally manipulating pixels on a screen and fooling your brain youre achieving something. When you turn off the power, the end result is 0. Except youre 1 day closer to the end lf youre meaningless life.

[Anonymous No.19229971]

>>19229456
People aren't playing masterpieces. You either play the new releases or play some sort of game with a ranked ladder

[Anonymous No.19229974]

>>19229511
real money?

[Anonymous No.19229978]

I'll tell ya one thing, video games are less of a waste of time than browsing 4chan.

[Anonymous No.19229986]

best way for me to spend time while listening to lectures/discourses and overall research on youtube or what not. while im in low lev scalp trades to make more satoshis. i play some league. it helps spend the time instead of degen watching the charts.

[Anonymous No.19230002]

>>19229500
>I smoke cigars
unless you're cuban, you're just a faggot.

[Anonymous No.19230005]

>>19229319
i have nothing else to do.

[Anonymous No.19230015]

>>19229349
Just like Chess they fine tune the brain... for playing the games themselves.

[Anonymous No.19230090]

>>19230015
>>19229349
This game increased my IQ by one point.

[Anonymous No.19230097]

>>19229319
Video games, like any other passtime, can become a vice. It's bad if it is eating away from your productivity. For instance, if you needed to get something done, but played video-games all day instead. It's no rocket science, it takes 30 seconds of you thinking about it to realize if it's good or bad. If you have your priorities right of course. If you have no ambition or goals, then you'll never find anything wrong with playing video-games all day. Then you'll be 45 and regret wasting your life

[Anonymous No.19230114]

>>19230015
theres a reason sig hires gamers and its not to play the game better

[Anonymous No.19230119]

>>19229456
Which ones would those be?

[Anonymous No.19230150]

>>19229790
projecting pretty hard there for someone spending their time on 4chan, leave forever and go cope with your books faggot

[Anonymous No.19230185]

>>19229535
mostly agree, except that reality TV is below video-games, with the exception of porn games, which is the lowest of the low.

[Anonymous No.19230187]

>>19229904
That's why i said games at least require some intellectual work unlike other forms of
entertainment. But outside of that most people grow out of them unless the game is competitive multiplayer. Some more talented and smart people may continue to play games like chess, csgo or starcraft into older age

[Anonymous No.19230192]

Bought a Nintendo switch when lockdown was announced in March. ive played it for maybe 30 minutes since then.

[Anonymous No.19230203]

The only games that are a waste of time that require you to
>wait 5+ minutes to get into a match
>the fun comes from collecting meaningless trinkets and achievements
>holds your hand all the way without bringing a new experience
>has crappy worthless story and the game is 50% story
Great games will increase your creativity and make you see the world differently. For example, Portal. Or they challenge you without it being a time sink to learn (see: strategy games or shit like SpaceChem)

[Anonymous No.19230214]

>>19229562
who the fuck grows out of books? You think reading books is childish?

[Anonymous No.19230222]

>>19230097
It's all about how you look at things.
If you're in a party with a bunch of friends, playing a game and having a great time, you're having a good experience. Good experiences aren't a waste of time.
The same can be said about going to the movies, hunting, fishing, whatever.
You can also game while doing well in school, furthering your career, etc.

[Anonymous No.19230247]

>>19230185
Almost all tv is below games. Tv, books, very boring, mostly only stupid people consume these things by my experience (unless you are a 50 year old boomer who does not know any better)

[Anonymous No.19230287]

>>19229352
My hobbies are reading books, learning stocks, and exercising outside.

[Anonymous No.19230288]

>>19230090
only game ever where I actually went crazy trying to 100% and unravel all the cryptic shit that hinted at a 3rd ending. Did they ever find it? All the weirdness with the windmill, that bach video, the odd little paper maps lying around, the phrases that the voices say during the 'bad ending'. Anything ever come of all of it or was Blow really just taunting us all after all?

[Anonymous No.19230303]

>>19229960
Video games have a social element to them that real life games have not. Youre literally manipulating physical objects in space and fooling your brain youre achieving something. When you turn off the power, the end result is 0. Except youre 1 day closer to the end lf youre meaningless life.

[Anonymous No.19230311]

>>19229588
This is unironically cope. Video games are a toy meant for children. Grown men should not play video games whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.19230319]

BASED tier:

Playing a short game for the story/experience with a storyline that has interesting analogies for real life
>Metal Gear Solid
>GTA 5

Playing a VR game for the exercise:
>Thrill of the Fight
>Sprint Vector

Playing a game for no more than 5 hours a week as an introduction to real world topics:
>Capitalism
>Sim City/Cities Skylines

Playing a game for no more than 5 hours a week as an intellectual exercise:
>Myst series
>Various maths/geometry/physics puzzle games

OK tier:

Playing online games set in a realistic setting for no more than 1 hour a week, purely for the fun or the social aspect:
>CS:GO, COD, etc
>Sports games

FAGGOT tier, should never be played:

All online fantasy autism games:
>WoW
>LoL
>DoTA

All games that require a significant slice of your life to sustain:
>EVE

Mobile games:
>Candy Crush

BENEATH CONTEMPT:

Playing any games for more than 5 hours a week.

[Anonymous No.19230365]

>>19230222
cheked and agreed. I'll gladly play an hour or two of vidia with my friends and feel good about it. However sometimes I'll binge play a game for hours alone, and I know for sure that is a complete waste of time.

>>19230247
depends, a good TV series or a good documentary is usually better than playing CS:GO for the same duration.

[Anonymous No.19230387]

>>19229319
These motivation threads suck. If I want to get rich to be hedonistic, get high, masterbate and play video games with the rest of my life that's my right. I understand it's not useful or entertaining to others and that's part of the reasoning, I don't want to participate in America right now. I'll reconsider when our goals realign or I get offered a comfy life in a country with a clear direction.

[Anonymous No.19230441]

>>19230387
Imagine being this fucking weak minded. It's faggots like you, weak men, who paved the way for the decline of our society. I hope we go to war so that you weak men get drafted and sent to the slaughter. The lucky few of you who survive will hopefully be cured by then. Fuck you, you limp wristed faggot.

[Anonymous No.19230443]

whatever gives you a dopamine hit mate, who cares?

[Anonymous No.19230449]

>>19230319
BASED BEYOND BELIEF tier:
>playing video games while on the clock and working from home (any and all games, no time limit)

[Anonymous No.19230472]

>>19229562
>most grow slowly out of video games, books, and movies as they age (the higher the intelligence the easier the person begins find common entertainment boring)
But most people get dumber with age. Unless you're talking specifically about toddlers.

[Anonymous No.19230474]

>>19230303
This makes no sense at all. With card games, chess, board games, darts, pool, fussball or even fuckiny jeux de boules theres real life human social interaction which is very valuable. And none of them run on electricity

[Anonymous No.19230544]

>>19229974
Yes anon. 800m USD a day

[Anonymous No.19230576]

>>19230441
Pretty sure it was dumb boomers that never played video games

[Anonymous No.19230592]

>>19230441
>go to war
the fps players will do just fine

[Anonymous No.19230605]

>>19229535
so your main hobby is struggling to attract girls?

[Anonymous No.19230671]

>>19229535
>tfw girls mirin my Nurgle boyz when I'm painting at the FLGS

[Anonymous No.19230673]

>>19229790
You don't even know what addiction is do you? I bet you read gay ass fantasy shit for escapism if you even read at all.

[Anonymous No.19230724]

>>19229319
Probably more productive shit to do but at least it's healthier cope than binge drinking after having an aneurysm for 10+ hours a day in spreadsheets.

[Anonymous No.19230751]

>>19229535
>For example watching movies as a hobby is pretty low on the totem pole, but it's above watching TV shows as a hobby. Both or those rank above playing video games.
How is an interactive activity worse than watching kid's entertainment?

[Anonymous No.19230781]

>some video games are just a modern form of art and story expression. like an interactive book. yes, it is a hobby

[Anonymous No.19230815]

Do people come to biz for anything but jerking each others dicks off?
Vidya is a hobby. Deal with it.
It isn't addiction. If it didn't exist those types that claim to be addicted would cling to other shit. The addictive people are not worth talking about and turn every hobby into a time waste.
Reading is addiction and a time waste, because I said so. So is working out and gardening and sports and... retards.

[Anonymous No.19230823]

>>19229942
Why not bring a book with you to the forest? Why do you hate reading so much?

[Anonymous No.19230848]

>>19230441
>America gets sold out in 1971
>I'm the reason effort doesn't correlate with compensation
I wish my dad hadnt draft dodged Vietnam and died there, but here we are. Going to give my "weak" ashy nazi genes to a country more deserving

[Anonymous No.19230860]

>>19229404
Watch tv
>>19230474
Your association with value of these "in person" things is disturbing. You seem addicted to attention that your parents never gave you. Social interaction is a waste when people like you can't understand your own addiction to it.

[Anonymous No.19230879]

>>19230097
>passtime
You need to spend more time with a dictionary, or learn to use spell check. It's hard to take someone seriously when they misspell a simple word like "pastime". Granted, it's hard to take you seriously with your third grade level fragmentary sentences.

[Anonymous No.19230906]

>>19230214
ADHD generation. Zoomers expect constant floods of dopamine for everything they do, they can't deal with the long payoff of reading a book. They can't follow a story unless it's drenched in voice acting and loud colors and moving objects.

[Anonymous No.19230968]

>>19230311
lol says a random faggot posting on 4chan

[Anonymous No.19231018]

>>19229319
If you are really passionate about them and they make you happy why not? Life is too short to waste on things you don't like. Don't let others tell you what's "fun". Decide for yourself through trial and error.

[Anonymous No.19231106]

>>19230815
>It isn't addiction.
Yeah, try turning a wow player's account off. You'll see a chimp out like a junkie in a jail cell going through withdrawal. Most games - and especially mmo's - are designed to be addictive and habit forming, they use the same skinner box techniques and other manipulative tactics that casinos use, and marketing abuses.
It's not a physical addiction, but it's absolutely a mental addiction, like porn is, or gambling, or anything else that's habit forming. The worst part is, the developers are doing it intentionally, which is why all the games look pretty much the same now - the same carefully crafted dopamine cadence, the same lootboxes/rewards, or utter hamster wheel MMO mechanics that keep you logged in as long as possible. And if that fails, the platforms that sell them have their own dopamine hit/hoarding rewards with 'trading cards" and other vanity items to swell your abused ego and self esteem.
The "gamer" identity is the most manipulated, coerced, and addicted personality going. Take someone's console or MMO away, and you will be physically attacked. "Gamers' are trained now from a young age to get all of their rewards and social structure through games. Their brains are imprinted with game reward structures, which is why zoomers often demand prizes in real jobs just to get simple, repetitive tasks done.
I don't believe people sucked in by video games would do the same with other activities. Books are designed to suck you in and keep you, like a video game is. Neither is gardening. Video games are products designed to lure you in, and use psychological techniques to keep you playing. The whole industry is a skinner box now.

[Anonymous No.19231108]

>>19230288
>only game ever where I actually went crazy trying to 100% and unravel all the cryptic shit that hinted at a 3rd ending. Did they ever find it? All the weirdness with the windmill, that bach video, the odd little paper maps lying around, the phrases that the voices say during the 'bad ending'. Anything ever come of all of it or was Blow really just taunting us all after all?
I feel like the third ending was what you end up getting out of the game. I've almost 100% the game, but never came across any paper maps. Unless you mean the codes that you use to watch the six videos inside the Windmill theater?

When I first heard about the Witness, I thought it was some pretentious walking simulator, but fired it up a few weeks ago without knowing anything more about it and couldn't put it down. Particularly because I found the secret ending (VR movie) on my first try and figured out the logic with the suns by trying to guess what the game designer wanted me to do. Best game of this decade.

[Anonymous No.19231124]

>>19230823
You can't be without those degenerate books for a few hours? Typical addiction.

[Anonymous No.19231182]

>>19231124
Yeah, it was a typo. You get this one, free. Now shaddap, non video game addicted adults are talking.

[Anonymous No.19231217]

>>19231108
I don't actually remember at this point, I just recall there a number of little paper maps or tiles scattered around the island that I was never sure what their point was. There was also the pile of puzzle sketches inside the hotel lobby that I was sure had something to do with something. You may be right about the true ending just being what you get out of it, though.

[Anonymous No.19231263]

I play multiplayer strategy games. I dont see how its any different than playing chess and feel like it strengthens my brain

[Anonymous No.19231306]

>>19230449
confirmed based

[Anonymous No.19231309]

>Should a grown man be wasting time playing video games?

if you make it into a career, then its research. dont have the time to actually play many games desu

[Anonymous No.19231313]

>>19229319
How is it wasting time?

[Anonymous No.19231323]

>>19231217
>I just recall there a number of little paper maps or tiles scattered around the island that I was never sure what their point was.
If you mean pic related, boot up that game again because you've missed a significant chunk of content. I think the drawings were just concept art displayed in a creative way.

[OptionsBro No.19231338]

>>19229319
> should a human being make use of his only life by doing those things he enjoys the most?

[Anonymous No.19231388]

>>19231106
Lot of truth in this post. The fact that wasting your life in front of a glowing screen chasing meaningless achievement metrics is now a marketable lifestyle and a socially acceptable/desirable label (are you a gamer? Gamers unite! Get your game on! etc) is testament to marketing's ability to polish any and all piles of shit until they sparkle so hard that people will pay to eat it.

It's sad because video games at their core are still interesting as medium and can do interesting things. It's just when you gussy them up into addiction simulators that things go wrong, but since that's where the money is, and since most devs are corrupted by profit motive, that's where most games end up being driven.

[Anonymous No.19231405]

>>19230287
And your autistic ass still can't get laid

[Anonymous No.19231423]

>>19231405
I've had sex with 19 different women. I'm about to turn 26.

[Anonymous No.19231616]

>>19231423
Sure buddy

[Anonymous No.19231663]

>>19231616
>just because I can't get laid means others can't

Nice cope, faggot. I'll keep slaying while you stay inside to play your Gamecube.

[Anonymous No.19231761]

Time is precious and should never be wasted. Spend it wisely on things you enjoy. I used to enjoy vidya but one day it just stopped doing it for me. I tried to pick it back up a couple times but you can't really force it. Sometimes a little break is all you need. Now and then I'll play some casual shit with my brother or an online fren, and I have a great time. For the most part I have moved on to other equally valuable ways to spend my time. Listen to your body and it will let you know if it's a waste of time or not.

[Anonymous No.19231854]

>>19229380
based and redpilled.
Here's the simple algorithm:
If it does any of the following:
>act as an outlet for creativity
>improve your health
>improve your financial situation
it's a hobby. If it does none of those, you're a mild version of a coomer who is owned by his limbic system and you're constantly looking for excuses rather than a way out.

[Anonymous No.19231858]

>>19229456
this. if you choose wisely, they are more captivating than a book. i played firewatch and what remanins of edith finch lately. i fucking loved them. they truely are a different art form.