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>Go on any job site
>Every single job that isn't slave labour has a requirement of either a 4 year degree or a community college diploma
>/pol/ and /r9k/ made me believe that University was a j*wish scam EVEN THOUGH university graduates make a fuckton more money in Canada than only hs graduates
>Fell for the debt meme, even though with government grants, scholarships, bursaries, working during Summers or doing a co op program you can easily graduate with little to no debt

>The trend is that everyone is getting a degree, it is impossible to compete without it
>Most of Canada's job growth in recent years was for university graduates

>Fell for the /r9k/ "blaming everyone except yourself and being a lazy loser" meme

NEVER LISTEN TO /pol/! They want you to fail! I have a theory that /pol/ is run by J*WS in order to trick young white men into becoming losers.

Stay in school guys. Work hard. Go to the gym. Don't settle or be lazy. Don't be like me. It's over for me but you can go on without me, do it.

>> No.19157355

>>19156498
Unless you get an engineering, medical etc. degree, it is mostly a scam. But nobody said do nothing in the meantime, you fucking retard.

>> No.19157452

>>19156498
The sooner you realize this place is infested with retards to laugh at rather than people you should listen to the better.
4chan made me think it was impossible to go to college if you were white lol. I’m going to a t30 this fall for free

>> No.19157518

>>19156498
How old are you?

>> No.19157634

What's stopping you from lying about going to a shitty local college on your resume? They're not going to fact check it unless you lie to big saying you went to some big well known school.

>> No.19157716

>>19156498
Why can't you just go to community college now then?

>> No.19157752

>>19156498
53% of graduates are either unemployed or work in a field unrelated to their field. Even stem becomes more and more corrupted with every passing year.

A education is a investment. Simply jumping into that much debt without comparing what post educational opportunities you'll gain(as well as opportunites lost like home ownership or family) must be taken into account by young people...... Which they are not.

>> No.19157816

>>19157452
?
Everything is possible if you are white

>> No.19157826

>>19157452
I just said I was mixed race and nobody questioned it, still got the gibs.

>> No.19157985

>>19157355
This guy gets it.

>> No.19158085

>>19157985
everyone I know who is a tradesman or physical laborer is broke as shit or unemployed

>> No.19158138

>>19158085
That usually has more to do with their spending habits then how much tradesman make. Also if you live in a Kiked city just forget any standard of high living unless you were born into it.

>> No.19158164

>>19158138
>just forget making it unless you were born having already made it
nice biz logic

>> No.19158260

>>19158164
>Lives in New York
>Thinks being a doctor or lawyer will put them in the 1%
There is no class or accessible job that can out pace the rising costs of living in such a dystopian shithole. You either have independent thought and gtfo, or you have money and independent thought, in which case you invest and know what your doing.

These wage slaves expecting a big payout with low living expenses in a major urban centre are delusional.

>> No.19158310

>>19156498
there's like 4 ways to make good money without a degree.

1. union trade apprenticeship. huge wait lists because everyone wants to make $30-50/hour without a degree.
2. police/fireman. also a huge wait list and it's stressful and dangerous.
3. teach yourself a skill, this is only really applicable to comp sci because you have a 0% chance of getting a job as a self-taught accountant, self-taught engineer, etc. also self-teaching CS is hard.
4. start a business. harder than the top 3 combined.

>> No.19158370

>>19158260
i don't live in NY i am not sure what you are rambling about take your meds

>> No.19158420

>>19158310
starting a business is not harder than the top 3 combined

>> No.19158457

engineering is also a scam outside of USA by the way

best course of action is the study as long as possible, do phd or something then just land a job thats not entry level. entry level jobs actually pay so little you get into debt

>> No.19158530

>>19158457
>dude just get a PhD
Not everyone is smart enough or can afford it.

>> No.19158584

>>19158457
>entry level jobs actually pay so little you get into debt
in what way does this make sense? having a job doesn't get you into debt. taking on a loan gets you into debt. biz really is this dumb

>> No.19158609

>>19156498

the scam IS the fact that you need to go to a degree mill in order to work

>> No.19158633

>>19158530
you get paid to do PHD how can you not afford it?

>>19158584
unless you live in rural areas entry level jobs won't give you enough money to cover your living expenses and pay off your student debt.

>> No.19158648

>>19156498
If you can't handle even two years of CC, and are dumb enough to read, let alone believe the retards and trolls on /pol, you deserve to spend the rest of your life driving a broom. Well, if you're a Mexican.

>> No.19158658

>>19158633
>pay off your student debt.
assuming you have this?
>cover your living expenses
if you are not living within your means and buying shit you can't afford?

>> No.19158695

>>19158658
i don't know what country you are from but in 80% of the world you are fucked with entry level wage

>> No.19158710
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19158710

It's a common tactic to weed through the unmotivated but apply anyway. Job rarely hire an applicant that is an extact match to the job listing.

>> No.19158813

>>19158695
do you mean just literal minimum wage? because nobody is expecting anyone to live off that forever, that is designed for young shitheads in HS or college, retarded people, and maybe bored retirees

>> No.19159210

>>19158609
This

I was not renewed for a contract for basically this

>Already 2years experience in the job

>> No.19159265

>>19159210
how is getting a degree a scam

>> No.19159285

>>19158710
no

>> No.19159325

>>19159285

Nice logical counter argument.

>> No.19159360

>>19158813
They should have thought of that before they decided the entire economy should be nothing but a minimum of do-nothing middle class jobs you have to be the literal best for or retail/laborer for barely above minimum wage.

>> No.19159414

>>19159360
what do you do for a living anon? have you tried giving out any firm handshakes? I went to college because it was paid for, I got a job at the first place that offered one to me. I have been making a raise steadily and my job is corona proof. You make it sound like people have it bad? Sure I am confused why I don't have a house but the family of half illegal immigrants next to me does.

>> No.19159526

>>19158370
comments like these are why i love 4chan.

>> No.19159679

>>19156498
Get a diploma in Accounting fren
Always work for accountants even during pandemics

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19159799

Thinking about selling drugs, ask for a job to dealers, organized crime. Try carding or reselling stolen stuff. Hacking or cracking can work too. Expand your ideas my fren

>> No.19159944

>>19159679
You will have to compete with the other 30 million unemployed thinking the same thing

>> No.19159965

>>19156498
It's a meme if you got talent, are hardworking, motivated, and willing to educate yourself by reading lots of books on economics, business etc...
If you are a fortnite looser, it's not a meme and is your only way to get a slightly than average wage.

>> No.19159980

>>19156498
degrees are a scam. its about who you know for anything but MD RN or JD required jobs

>> No.19159996

>>19156498
>listened to the schizos on /pol/
Jesus Christ mate

>> No.19160135

>>19156498
There are only two classes, those with inherited wealth, those with jobs that actually matter, and speculators. Then there is the wagecuck failed trader underclass. You don't want to work a McJob till you're disabled from old age? Learn to speculate or die pussy.

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19160623

>>19156498
you again? fuck off with your collage shilling and hatred of /pol/ you've posted 3 threads like this and every time you play dumb like "DURR THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I POSTED HERE" it's always the same shit, greentext backstory about how you can't find a job that doesn't lie about requirements and then preach. I'm not going into 45 grand of debt in a recession you fucking moron.

>> No.19160791

Even if you get a degree you're not getting hired unless you're black, trans, or a woman.

>> No.19161282

>>19160791
This unless small white run business

>> No.19161439

>>19160791
Yes college is a scam white man. Don't study. Just become a welder or drain pipe fixer

>> No.19161995

get an IT certification you dumbass

>> No.19162023

>>19156498
You''re on the wrong board. Fuck off and die (from this board and irl)

>> No.19162147

>>19157985
Thanks, anon.

>> No.19162297

>>19161439

>You can't study without paying tens of thousands of dollars to (((institutions)))

The internet is a better learning resource than college.

>> No.19162378

>>19156498
It’s a scam that you have to do. Sorry fren.

>> No.19162958

>>19160135
>those with jobs that actually matter
To be fair, almost no job matter, especially in the service industry. You think being a lawyer matter? Or being a bigpharma shill doctor?

>> No.19163152

most of the people pushing the "college is a meme" bullshit are tradies living in a rural bubble thinking 70k a year working 60 hours a week of intensive labor is a good life.

>> No.19163250

Well, what jobs do you want? If you want a technical 9-5 job, then yeah you should get a degree. If you want decent pay and fun and structure and want to save money, go military. If you want to make deceny money without investing 10s of k in education, learn a trade. There's different routes for different folk. I never wanted an office 9-5 so college would be stupid, so I went to sea and sail in the merchant marine. Glad I never wasted time on school.

>> No.19163600

>>19162958
I don't care who matters but I know honest work won't get you anywhere only financial speculation or goverment jobs like military, police or being a lawyer or big pharma shill. I just accept reality that society rewards those who sit and speculate on the computer

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19163957

>>19156498
I wanna kill myself for that
I spent my teenage years working on entertainment just to be eating rice everyday so i dont starve being jobless after covid hit
Now my utilities r gonna be cut

>> No.19164259

>>19163152
>>19163250

I never went to college and have /made it/. The Internet is gods gift to humanity and fuck colleges for pumping out brainless idiots with zero capacity to think for themselves. The meme that college = money is an enormous scam by the industrial-education complex and you can 100% make it outside if you have the drive and ambition. I may be in tech which is relatively easier for people with non-traditional backgrounds, but I've seen people make it in other fields too.

t. 22 year old software engineer making 150k in EU

>> No.19164714

>>19156498
learn to rap and put tats on your face, grow out your hair and color it braid it.

>> No.19164724

>>19156498
reminder you can make 90k delivering bread

>> No.19164908

>>19159360
>They should have thought of that
>They
Absolutely retarded. Jobs are created because a need and a market exists, not because some "they" is dictating what the economy should be from on high.

>> No.19164995

>>19156498
>Every single job that isn't slave labour is a different kind of slave labour with requirements
>look at how much people didn't pay their student debts, after years
>pol and shit telling you to not take courses doesn't imply you haven't to study, acquire skills and improve yourself, you dumbass
at least you're not a trannie now

>> No.19165034

>>19156498
Learn to weld retard.

>> No.19165041

>>19164259
>The meme that college = money is an enormous scam by the industrial-education complex
College = money was kinda true like 30 years ago. However, the problem today is the market is saturated. Everyone has a college degree, when it was somehow prestigious 30 years ago to have one.

>> No.19165046

>>19157355
ummm how bout business...finance....computer science...and 1000 other majors...even my sister makes 150k as a graphic designer....fucking autist

>> No.19165116

>>19156498
Look, op. I get how u feel since im also in the same spot, but 47% it some chit like that if 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed. That said, we should have been teachers or librarians.

>> No.19165130

>>19165116
i also have a 2 yr degree and it has been worthless

>> No.19165141

>>19163600
I agree, but i meant mattering as really mattering, for the real good. Those jobs are fake, and only serve to maintain a gigantic machine which has become too big to sustain it's own weight many years ago.
Also, the fact that speculating is more rewarding than working proves that there is something wrong with the core of the system.
Nothing wrong with taking advantage of it thought. Especially if life wasn't always easy for you.

>> No.19165164

Why don't you learn the stuff you would learn in college from your computer for FREE

>> No.19165270

>>19165164
Shut up cuK

>> No.19165965

>>19158138
this is one of the biggest truths. big cities are for rats and i live in one for now.

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>>19165965
Housing is going back to 1990's prices as soon as people start transacting again and realize they've lost 20 years of gains, all will be as it should be soon, deflation is coming, just two more weeks bro, shit will get crazy, two weeks

>> No.19166262

>>19160135
>"There are only two classes"
>lists three

>> No.19166299

>>19166262
t. Works in a wage cuck office 40kyr for shekelberg

>> No.19166373

>>19156498
You don't sound very clever, so here's a play for you, from one leaf to another:

>apply to trade school ASAP
>move home and get ANY labour job you can, try to make inroads with the trade you've chosen
>cut expenses as dramatically as possible
>ALL IN LINK / BTC
>grind and invest
>retire at peak of 2027 crypto bull market

Do you not realize where you are? The only reason we're all here is to make the maximum amount of money with the minimum amount of effort in the shortest amount of time. Which just happens to be crypto, specifically the one that has been talked about non stop for 3 fucking years here. You seem to have missed max gains in the 20/21 bull market but that's OK, just don't miss the next one. You got this bro.

>> No.19166428

>>19166373
BTC is going to at least hit 14000 its in a channel right now with 3000 or so at the bottom at 13000 or 14000 at the top. If we bust 14000 I don't know where it goes

>> No.19166506

>>19166205
>housing number go down
please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please

>> No.19166520

>>19158310

You can make good money without a degree. I got hired 5 years ago by one of the top defense contractors in the nation with a GED and self taught reverse engineering skills. I spent my 20s doing valet parking and garage attendant, until I hit 30 and realized I didn't want to be poor anymore. So, I started reversing an MMORPG. Taught myself x86 ASM, C/C++, Java, Python and Javascript in the process. I was always good with computers, I just was chasing the wrong dream in my 20s.

I look at Software Engineering and Software Development jobs on LinkedIn and pretty much all of them say "REQUIRED: BS degree in CS/EE or some other related shit" or they say "Without degree, you need 10+ years of experience...oh btw the position is entry level and the salary is 90K." Going to college and getting a degree doesn't mean shit. Most CS programs are worthless. I feel like the people doing the recruiting and hiring are the ones who will put down "DEGREE REQUIRED" because they got suckered into going to college and want to validate themselves. Fuck that.

Start your own company doing whatever it is you do. You will ALWAYS get shafted working for somebody else.

>> No.19166639

>>19163957
Time to become a wire pirate.

>> No.19166695

>>19159799
based and bog pilled, OP you could live the fast life

>> No.19167067

>>19156498
i did none of that..just bought 100K chainlinks when it was 20-30 cents and made out like a bandit with what most people save up for 30 years of their life. think smart not hard OP.

>> No.19167197

>>19156498
>took advice from basement dwellers who’ve never left the house and have no real life experience

>> No.19168271

>>19156498
How old are you? Just go back to school.

>> No.19168506

>>19165046
Unironically this. Anyone who sits on their ass all day swing trading for measly gains is a loser

>> No.19168560

>>19165164
This doesn't work. You need somewhere to go to learn, instructors to help guide and other students who might be more advanced to help you learn.
Plus, internships.
College also gives you time to really sort your shit out before moving into a high level position, if that is what you want. Or a job that is highly flexible. With a degree you have a shit ton of leverage on employers and they will kiss your ass.