/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.18836859]

Why didn't Japan ever recover?

[Anonymous No.18836885]

>>18836859
negative rates right?

[Anonymous No.18836930]

>>18836859
>hyper nationalism
>dwindling birth rates
>socially inept youth

[Anonymous No.18836951]

>>18836859
low interest rates
but how does it work?
low interest causes missallocation of capital which means nothing else than safrificing future growth for the status quo.
but what does this mean?
here is an example from germany, if you want to make money in germany you look for a job in the car industries, everything else is not well paid in comparison. they do well until there is a disruption (self driving electric cars). but since all good and motivated people are working for the car industry instead of doing their own thing or improve other industries, future growth is killed off.
this is true for all parts of the economy and they affect each other.

capitalism only works if there is creative destruction

[Anonymous No.18836958]

>>18836930
Thanks for the heeb take.

[Anonymous No.18836959]

It's bogged down by inefficient, corrupt big businesses. They still use fax machines instead of email, FFS. The whole system is propped up by corporate welfare from the government. It's our future.

[Anonymous No.18837071]

>>18836859
Demographics - the declining population don't help. The economy was based on real estate bubble, mostly commercial, but residential as well.

In lot of areas outside prime tokyo, even the property prices hasnt recovered after decades.

Still pretty damn impressive that they're #3

[Anonymous No.18837094]

>>18837071
>declining population
Japan is No. 25 by population density, with the biggest metropolis on earth.
It can do with a little decline.

Stop drinking the heeb kool-aid.

[Anonymous No.18837125]

>>18836859
gdp/debt ratio of over 150%. We'll be right up there with them before long. Just keep buying those f35s with deficit spending, it's a great fucking plan!

[Anonymous No.18837139]

>>18837094
Calm down. Use that brain of yours. If population keeps declining, what's going to support the property prices? Especially after the mother of all bubbles popped?

Not everything is DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZ.

[Anonymous No.18837141]

>>18837125
It's around 250%

[Anonymous No.18837143]

>>18837094
um

2019 was their worst year for population growth ever - do you even research?

>>18836951
Great thread - and this is the correct answer

So the USA is certain to become Japan now - unless we get the Fed creating legal tender and then we will immediately get hyperinflation.

So - how do we get rich during Japanificiation? Basically, the economy will grind to a slow halt. Politicians will constantly do "stimulus" which will actually act as a sedative to growth

They can create temporary financial bubbles - so what do we do as investors to absolutely kill it?

[Anonymous No.18837148]

>>18837139
>If population keeps declining, what's going to support the property prices?
Classic pyramid scheme thinking.

>>18837143
>2019 was their worst year for population growth ever - do you even research?
You're an idiot who doesn't know how to read lmao.

[Anonymous No.18837155]

>>18837125
It's over 200% yo

[Anonymous No.18837705]

>>18836859
They tried the money printing trick, their central bank basically bought the entire market. Didn't work of course, it never does. The difference is, the US rules the world & can just point guns at people to make them accept their toilet paper as being "valuable", or demand they finance the debt (and never repay it), that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.18837787]

>>18837071
imagine being this fucking dumb.
central banking policy and social engineers determine demographics.
you absolute,
motherfucking,
piece of,
retarded,
dog shit.

[Anonymous No.18837802]

>>18837787
that's true

but how do we fucking make money over the next 10-20 years now that we are 100% guaranteed to Japnify our economy?

[Anonymous No.18837830]

>>18837787
>central banking policy and social engineers determine demographics.

Imagine being this retarded. they dont know jack shit, just like everyone else. We're all throwing poo on the wall to see what sticks.

[Anonymous No.18837931]

>18837802
Take out loans, all the loans possible & buy assets. Despite the crash that's coming, things will keep going up, especially as the government keeps printing more money. Plus, as inflation runs away, the debt will be worth less & less (and that's even before the chance that the government hits the big reset button on everyone's credit cards). Basically, money will be worthless, but since the government will keep pumping bubbles, the trick will be to ride every ponzi possible (preferably using borrowed money as leverage).

[Anonymous No.18837946]

>>18837802
like this
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-25/mystery-man-moving-japan-made-more-than-1-million-trades
when everything is okay, and market timin, ie prepare for the next -30% by lots of cheap puts, then lots of cheap calls when it goes back up.

it is too late to profit from corona, so you have to wait 5 or 10 years for the big return by shorting. all you can do now is like the japanese trader

[Anonymous No.18837973]

>>18837802
Where else is all the money going to go? China?

Unironically, I think US is in the best situation compared to other market over next 10-20 years.

[Anonymous No.18838007]

The whole civilised world is suffering from population decline. The West decided to prop up their economies with third world immigration. Japan didn't. All else is fluff.

[Anonymous No.18838054]

>>18836859
>recover
>10x quality of life compared to whatever shithole you live in.
im so exhausted by this faggotry. guess what triple nigger, im feeding a family of 4 and looking at buying a new house in one year on a single income as a labourer. oh no my fucking economy how does that ever compare to making cosmopolitan kikes rich at the expense of everyone else. go fuck yourself with a bayonet gdp worshipper

[Anonymous No.18838099]

>>18836930
You are a fucking retarded piece of shit
Non of that has to do with it
Go and learn basic economics

[Anonymous No.18838246]

Because of political and corporate greed. They didn't want the economy to go through a proper recession and debt consolidation period so they drop rates to the negatives and engaged in QE infinity to prop up asset prices only to end up with stagflation and a market that only moves with the the BOJ does. Make no mistake as the U.S is most likely headed in this direction.

[Anonymous No.18838269]

Japan outside of japan does fine. I'm convinced japan inside japan is just crippled by the same shit our retarded central bank is doing now. Endless QE, bailouts and soon taking on common stocks and shit onto balance sheets. It's all fake bullshit.

[Anonymous No.18838270]

>>18837094
>Demographics = Population growth

Retard

[Anonymous No.18838275]

>>18836859
- - - -

[Anonymous No.18838290]

>>18838270
"Declining population" is related to population growth, yes.

Based literal retard.

[Anonymous No.18838868]

>>18836930

You are Jewish either in fact or spirit.

[Anonymous No.18839093]

>>18836958
>>18837094
>>18837148
>>18838290

t.brainlet

[Anonymous No.18839102]

>>18839093
Another idiot with the reading comprehension of a grape.

[Anonymous No.18839147]

>>18839102

[Anonymous No.18839166]

>>18839147
me:
>Japan can do with a little population decline

you/
>Japan's population is declining you idiot

Congrats, you played yourself by having inferior intellect.

[Anonymous No.18839188]

>>18836859
They will. Their olds just aren't done dying off.

[Anonymous No.18839192]

>>18836930
Such a kike answer. Yea they need more African and Muslim engineers. That’ll fix it.

[Anonymous No.18839213]

>>18839102
It’s a kike. He just has alterier motives.

[Anonymous No.18839319]

>>18836859
https://youtu.be/xdHsX-KJRG4

[Anonymous No.18839356]

>>18839166
>>18839213
>millions of people permanently exit workforce each year
>35% of the population well above 60 years old
>life expectancy: 84 years old

Hmm...yes a little population decline should be fine

[Anonymous No.18839385]

>>18839356
>Hmm...yes a little population decline should be fine
Literally yes.
Populations can't keep growing forever, you know.

[Anonymous No.18839408]

>>18839192
>calling on the dwindling birth rates is the same as calling to import niggers
how about you encourage people have sex instead? that would be easier now won't it?

[Anonymous No.18839462]

>>18839385
>arrr yes totally the same trend

[Anonymous No.18839513]

>>18839408
>>calling on the dwindling birth rates is the same as calling to import niggers
That's the tactic, yes.
See pic.

>>18839462
Literally what?

[Anonymous No.18839526]

>>18839513
realistically speaking, why don't they adopt the hungarian model? where people who get married and have children will support and get tax cuts and such?

[Anonymous No.18839551]

The truth is Japan has evolved to the maximum a modern society can achieve all this bullshit about growth and stagnation is kike nonsense

[Anonymous No.18839621]

>>18836930
>not working 80 hours a week for women who literally demand to take 90% of your own earnings and give you an allowance for beer, while sleeping in separate beds to avoid sex much as possible, is being socially inept.

[Anonymous No.18839640]

>>18836930
Like most of China

[Anonymous No.18839819]

>>18839551
This.

[Anonymous No.18839855]

>>18839551
Why do you retarded faggots even post on a board about markets? You people clearly have no clue how they work or any understanding of literally anything.

[Anonymous No.18840691]

ubp

[Anonymous No.18840805]

>>18838099
>Go and learn basic economics
>I do
>They say immigration is good
>"No, silly Anon. That economics is bad, try this economics instead!"

[Anonymous No.18840881]

>>18836859

Peak Prosperity

Japanese people cost to much to hire

[Anonymous No.18840927]

Sub-replacement birth rates like in the US and Europe but without the immigration. Their economy is shrinking and no amount of accounting tricks can make up for it. They put all their eggs in the automation basket but it didn't work out. They need to open their borders if they want to make it.

[Anonymous No.18841014]

>>18840927
The west 8s already doing enough of this, no? Why isn't diversity in attempts good but everyone has to echo the West, anon? Diversity anon.

[Anonymous No.18841036]

>>18841014
They don't have to do anything, they can fall into economic irrelevancy if they want to.

[Anonymous No.18841037]

>>18841014
>>18840927
the question is why do they not have children and the asnwer is pretty simple, they are scared too lose their job and/or to raise them probably

[Anonymous No.18841038]

>>18836859
Too much anime and video games, not enough fucking. The population continues to age and decline and the economy simply cannot grow like it did. Also, artificial bubbles created by the Japanese central bank who continue to buy the dips and not allowing the real economy to recover properly. Its just a case of manipulation against the free market factors in place.

[Anonymous No.18841079]

Their culture has gotten progressively more work obsessed that they're squeezing blood from a stone at this point. Healthy growing economies are based around a good diversified blend of industries and the time to pursue creative endeavors, as well as start families.

China's rise really hit their niche. Now they're the Asian country that exclusively makes the good stuff, but that's a restricted market.

[Anonymous No.18841130]

>>18838246
only good answer in this thread

it was just politically unacceptable (for whatever reason) to see people lose. it's the same attitude we have in the US now. everyone is getting a bailout, nothing is allowed to fail. it's nice in the short run, but in the long term it can only lead to stagnation.
kind of like a junkie refusing to face sober reality and just slowly injecting himself over time. eventually, it catches up.

[Anonymous No.18841318]

>>18839513
why is it always jews who say this when israel is the most racist country in the world. you literally require a DNA test proving you're jewish to become a citizen.

[Anonymous No.18841364]

>>18841318
>you literally require a DNA test proving you're jewish to become a citizen.
No you don't.

[Anonymous No.18841461]

>>18839526
Jesus fucking christ they will when they need to, there is still 100 million of them and they're still getting richer, not to mention almost no crime compared to our shitholes!

[Anonymous No.18841501]

>>18839855
>You people
What do you mean, 'you people' ?

[Anonymous No.18841527]

>>18841364
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/dna-testing-to-prove-jewishness-is-spine-chilling-1.7772897

[Anonymous No.18841539]

>>18841318

Because that's how game theory works. It's unabashedly selfish, use the emotional handicaps of others as a tool for your own gain.

[Anonymous No.18841544]

>>18839513
Immigration and diversity would benefit Japan's struggling Capitalist economy. Based Jews once again with their innate financial expertise.

[Anonymous No.18841619]

>>18841544
Their economy isn't struggling though.

[Anonymous No.18842465]

>>18841527
https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/State/Acquisition+of+Israeli+Nationality.htm

[Anonymous No.18843073]

>>18841037

they dont have children BECASE of the stagnation. its basically a catch 22 because having more kids would help the situation but to have more kids the situation must improve.

[Anonymous No.18843311]

Individualism is a cancer that will kill any country. When you say to yourself "wow I don't want children because it's easier to just be a degenerate retard", you are effectively a dead end and should be removed. No amount of work you do will ever be more beneficial than supporting your country and having multiple children. You aren't that important. The chinese understand this, and it is why they will prevail while the west falls into irrelevance. You can even see this cancer killing countries that are simply influenced by the west. Incels/degenerates will seethe and call me a kike, but it's the truth. If you can't see the writing on the wall for western countries at this point, you are delusional and blinded by self importance.
>hurrrrr your population dying off and getting older with no children to replace them is good

[Anonymous No.18843368]

>>18843311

chinks are the most self interested screw everyone else over to benefit myself or my immediate family kind of people in the world. what the fuck are you talking about.

I think you are confusing collectivism with self interest. Chinks are extremely selfish thats why the scam everyone.

[Anonymous No.18843408]

>>18842465
Kys jew

[Anonymous No.18843640]

>>18843408
>nooo stop pointing out that I'm retarded you fucking JOO

[Anonymous No.18843665]

>>18839213
hey /pol/tard the word you're looking for is ulterior. just FYI next time you want to use it!