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>> No.18829508
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Reminder that this is the only thing you be hodling right now.

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nah, these


>> No.18829567
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I like SAND. Whoever recommended that has made me a reasonably large sum of money, and I'd like to thank him if he's still here.

>> No.18829579

Biggest RIP for stock markets in monday.

Berkshire will start the chain reaction for the ultimate dump

>> No.18829601

holy shit can anybody listen to this dribbling old fuck?
makes no more sense and has no more apparent lucidity than the average truck driver

>> No.18829629

Thinkgen of shorting Manulife
t. leaf

>> No.18829673
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For anyone who missed the SJW proposal:

>> No.18829681

>"the aerospace industry is a large part of the aerospace industry"
holy shit, really some insides views here, lol

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>> No.18829840
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>Michigan Department of treasury bought 4.3 million shares of MVIS

Uhmmmmmm... what does that mean? This thing looks like it will be UAVS 2.0 on steroids. Stock twits boomers going crazy over this shit.

>> No.18830253

Wait, Vanguard Group bought almost 4 million shares? That's a good sign.

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Vanguard and blackrock HAVE to buy nearly every stock because they run the ETFs. Don’t forget that brokers also have to own stocks so they can let their clients short them.

>> No.18830684

wtf warren is still talking? I took a nap and went to the store and it's still on.

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Is he still talking?

>> No.18830882
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I only respect cunny, bro.

>> No.18830896

it would appear to be the case
doing the Lord's work

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>> No.18830909

but why local government?

>> No.18830912

What’s that

>> No.18830933
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>tankers mooning to 200x levels
we're going to lambo town

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Why would you though? Its essentially a SPY, but performing worse.
Not factoring in the -5% tank we will see on monday after Buffoon just announced a 50 billion dollar net loss.

Also I feel for the /biz/tards holding airline stocks, BA or anything resembling a flying object below 70km. Because they will die tomorrow.

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>> No.18830990
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You do you fren

>> No.18830992

They overwhelmingly voted it down? There’s some hope for us yet.

>> No.18831007

The vote is performed by shareholders. There were >400k 'no' votes and ~65k 'yes' votes. This suggests all the board said 'no' because they're the majority shareholders.

>> No.18831030
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>have like 10k in BA, DAL, and LUV
oh well. i always considered them long term holds.

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>> No.18831040

>these garbage-tier stocks
>any kind of hold, let alone long-hold

>> No.18831044

In case you don't pay attention to proxy votes, both diversity proposals and green proposals are spammed at every share holder meeting and they are all voted down.

>> No.18831048

But when is the moon happening?

>> No.18831050

How did they get to wear clothes???
Is it real?

>> No.18831056

He said if he had a money printer like the fed he would print infinite buffet bucks.

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My Discount Sushi was bad.

>> No.18831077

This is actually pretty based.

>> No.18831082

State worker pension funding. The stock skyrockets. They sell. The state workers retirement accounts increase. Win win. (unless the stock tanks). The tax payer hates state workers cause meh benefits. So for the state to increase taxes (or add other revenue sources) just for pensions is a sure fire way to get the boot from state legislative office. But they have to provide some perks otherwise no one would bother working for the state. So investing in stocks is a win win deal for everyone.

>> No.18831085

Vanity. I simply want the most expensive stock on the market, lol.

>> No.18831097
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I have 100 SPCE shares.
Might drag them down as well.
Meh. Another round of covered calls and getting 100$ a week.

Why not Lufthansa, Air France or some other national Airline that literally cant go bust?

Im thinking of getting some actually. If they have problems the gouvernments will help them.

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Very based.

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I can understand Boeing at least, but why would you want to long airlines? They dont even pay dividends?

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>> No.18831126

the main reason i liked those three is i considered them guaranteed bailouts.

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If my XOM shares go even further down on monday im gonna kms on stream

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based berk shareholders:
>For (affirmative action garbage): 65,925
>Against (affirmative action garbage): 485,824
>Abstain: 3,766

>> No.18831150

>national Airline that literally cant go bust?
Doesn't exist. I think AF is relatively safe, anecdotally, because it's cheaper and faster than the train for local travel so all the French prefer it when they have to move day-to-day (which is a lot of them). They're also opening back up soon.
However there's no real requirement for the government to bail them out and the French government already paid out the ass (see the gdp-relative stats) for covid so far. Historically, "national" airlines haven't been bailed out even 50% of the time in many countries.

>> No.18831155

Good call, robinhood millennials have made selling options too easy, the liquidity has skyrocketed and premiums are all great

Just by correctly following the trend you can double your account sometimes.

t. very old man

>> No.18831160

Puts on AAL as fast as you can put the order in on Monday. They're the worst positioned. Some analyst at Evercore put them at a $1 price point the other day as well.

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>> No.18831185

They are guaranteed to go further down monday.

>> No.18831192

Based and premium pilled. My pay pigs are coming round again on Monday to drop off their lunch money.

>> No.18831194

I sold my poots for a 400€ loss a month ago. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

>> No.18831208

I'm cashing out my 401k, taking out a loan, maxing out my CC's, and taking out all of the money in my checkings and savings account, going all in on Airlines monday, who's with me? Lets see if I'm right...

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>> No.18831228

>buffett literally shitting on airline stocks
What will happen to 11 polo shirt investors?

>> No.18831230

Rooiner posting has gotten pretty advanced

>> No.18831241

"how much lower can it go?"
-t. airline gamblers

>> No.18831246

He’ll be down to 4 polos

>> No.18831250

I’m comfy buying and selling back my puts intraday for 30-100% ROI in this stupid clown market.
>t. TSLA 0DTE puts and calls took my account from 40k -> 1.3m over the last 6 months. :)

>> No.18831256

Thinking bear credit spreads on AAL

>> No.18831257

or they've got a friend involved and want to keep the company in the market

>> No.18831258
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How low? Zero.

>> No.18831264

It's true though, how much lower can it go? Answer: Not much lower.

>> No.18831270

You didn't learn anything from WTI did you?

>> No.18831284

How can a stock go negative unless you are facing jail time simply for holding that stock?

>> No.18831298
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Fair enough
>Doesn't exist.
Sure. Technically LMT can go bankrupt. Realistically the gouvernment will never allow that.

Lufthansa is a sure bailout. Employee wise its the biggest airline in the world and the gouvernment was already talking about some state aid.
There is no way its going bankrupt.

I also think RyanAir and Wizz are in good shape btw.
Even MSFT or BRK give me like 400/contract for weekly ATM Calls. Its ridiculous for an essentially no-risk play.
I stay away. I fear trump tweeting some "Money on the way. AAL saved!" or something.
Quick run down?

>> No.18831315

Way way way lower

You airliners are kidding yourself. No one is flying. There are no international flights. Everyone is teleconferencing. There are no sports or places to even fly to.

>> No.18831322

>Realistically the gouvernment will never allow that.
You haven't done your didly dildos at all senpai. Go to it or you are in for some burns you're not prepared for.

>> No.18831328

I have literally never seen the inside of an airplane.

>> No.18831330

S&P/Gold is down to around 1.6-1.7 so stocks are overvalued but not by that much

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>> No.18831341

What's a relatively cheap stock with high premiums right now?

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>> No.18831379

Fuck that took forever, I'm going to get food now

>> No.18831382

what a waste of quads

>> No.18831388

Ticker is CUN/E

>> No.18831407

Upset because airlines got BTFO by quads and Buffett?

>> No.18831432

It's true. I picked some one up at the airport the other day beside the 2 cop cars I was the only car in the entire arrivals zone. There were 14 people on the flight and a dozen of them were airline employees.

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I never buy a stock banking on a bail out.
But there are industries that are too valuable and cant be replaced by others. Defense is one of the prime examples.

The US will not start importing rockets from Italy and have research labs in Sweden contracted to design a plane.

After that there are big companies that decide an election. If Ford or GE die they will vote against the guy who let this happen. It can happen but the officials in charge would have to literally stop caring about getting reelected. Theyd rather do a long, slow run down of the company before they let the shell go bankrupt.

IV is 200+
I think I saw 400+ at one point.

That being said, only buy in with one contract and let it fund your weekly food budget. Its not AAPL. It might crash tomorrow and go to 3$.

>> No.18831445

You can just say you picked up your ugly gook wife been your lung disease appointments.

>> No.18831453

Its so funny that you said SPCE. That was the one stock I was thinking of dumping into for options writing.

>> No.18831455

>The US will not start importing rockets from Italy and have research labs in Sweden contracted to design a plane.
But other countries would, and last I checked air france isn't an american national airline.

>> No.18831461

one or two airlines may be near their bottom but the other ones are going to go bankrupt and nobody will buy them

>> No.18831464

No I was actually samefagging

My only position on airlines was 40 shares of United 21$

>> No.18831478

Buffet doesn't know shit people will still need to travel. Worst case scenario everyone gets corona and none of this matters in 2 years. But the government will lie and say they are outbreaks so they can lock us up and take our freedom

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>> No.18831534

The damage is already done and it will take years by all estimates for it to be recouped. Learn to read between the lines. Trump said he'd buy 4-5 years worth of airline tickets. Why would he want to do that? Because the airlines have received damage that would take 4-5 years to recoup.

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I mean they have zero corona problems because they have no profits but huge amounts of money.
>But other countries would
Whats your point? Im not saying that obscure Belgian companies are safe, I argue that some companies are too big, too important and too connected to the state too fail.
In the US that would be LMT and some others.
In Europe Airbus or BA.

These companies will only fail when the countries backing them fail.
> and last I checked air france isn't an american national airline.
The ability to have a company too big to fail is not exactly an American one.
KLM-AF, Lufthansa are so connected to their countries and Europe that they can not be allowed to fail.

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I'd like to buy in to airlines but it seems a hair early days for that just yet. One bad news release suggesting grim outlook is a minimum -20% gap down and probably more. I'd like to wait until the narrative changes from 'should survive?' to 'will probably survive'. But that might be a late entry. Maybe i'll just do it via TA and not make the position too big.

Based Murata. I own one of his art books.

>> No.18831554

Please go all in on these companies then. Let's put our money where our mouths are and see who reaches for a soup kitchen first.

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>Some companies are too big to fail long term
>Means you need to go all in immediately short term
Id rather just continue fleecing /smg/ and /wsb/ tards for precious theta.
But ok
I mean we should wait till flights actually start going again. I know first hand how no flight is going anywhere right now.

>> No.18831659

What is the best investment market news source that's straightforward, not sensational?
Which one do you use?

>> No.18831679

For Americans, I forgot to say.

>> No.18831699

I went all in on air Canada when it was $12 I'm up alot of money so far

>> No.18831706

Balance sheets and earnings calls. Everything else is FUD from some hedge fund.

>> No.18831709

damn buffet looking old af today

>> No.18831724

... In Hong Kong they are now condemning citizens who hand out flyers on the street and sing songs as radical extremists, then acted out a bomb threat by themselves, and claim they're thinking about increasing the risk level of terrorism in Hong Kong to High, claim that the international law which allow them to confiscate property of suspected terrorist will going to present as a useful tool to educate the public.
How can I protect my properties against such law?

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Where to find a qt anal masturbator wife and mother of my children bro?
>I never buy a stock banking on a bail out.
But a bond?

I’m getting real excited about corporate debt, bros... fingers crossed for a big down day. Even if it annihilates my asshole in the semis I bought last week and my huge brkb stack.

>market news
Not exactly... but I follow some analysts. Check out mike Wilson’s most recent piece:

>> No.18831784

When the flights actually restart wouldn't it be more like the "sell the news" phase
Also, of we look at the 2001 experience, companies might still fail a bit of time after the crisis is over

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Hong Kong anon, are you back?
Or are you a different hong konger?

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Listen. I'm shredded, very well off, handsome even though I started the typical western world balding process and I just want to go to Japan to fuck jap chicks. Is it too much to ask for? OPEN UP THE WORLD ! FREEDOM!

>> No.18831801

Id rather miss the first pump and not catch a falling knive desu

>> No.18831806

make sure the property is not in hong kong

>> No.18831837

I am still in the thread from time to time

>> No.18831851
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Fellow options writers, how worried are you about accidentaly adding another number to the amount of contracts and getting horribly btfo and margin called? Scares me, desu. There's no risk of this when you're just buying stuff.

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>> No.18831869

>wanting to ruin qt, pure nip girls like you've ruined white roasties, with rampant promiscuity

>> No.18831876

If you accidentally write extra options, if you're fast enough, you can buy it back and not lose much, if any money.

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>> No.18831901

b-but /cvg/ told me it was airborne aids with a 30% fatality rate

>> No.18831920

If I bought these on monday, would it hurt?

>> No.18831934

I'm pretty new to this. What does that mean? Buying call options with the same strike price and expiration date? You can't reasonably get in touch with the buyer of what you've written.

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>How can I protect my properties against such law?
That’s a tough one. Continue to not engage in any activities that draw attention to you. Maybe if you have any relatives overseas you could reach out to them and see if you can transfer funds to them?

Do you have maybe a foreign account to transfer funds too? Or are you more worried about physical assets?

Reminder that /pol/ is always wrong, but still worth paying attention to from time to time.

>> No.18831939

Wait are there people here writing on margin? I thought it was just people selling covered calls/puts. Naked options writing is retarded

>> No.18831956

I'm not sure if the broker would stop the trade if I don't have it covered. That's why I'm asking.

>> No.18831965

I can tell from your post that you'll hold onto it for dear life as it spirals all the way to $0 even long after bankruptcy talks begin.

>> No.18831969

>Balance sheets

Lmao, don't waste your time. Anything that can be found in a 10k is unironically priced in.

>> No.18831979

It would be extremely painful (for you)

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>0 aged 0-20 die of covid n Ontario
>7 aged 20-39 die of covid (probably with some underlying condition) in Ontario
>shut everything down

>> No.18831982

They will unless you applied for writing naked options and the let you
I'm guessing that isn't the case

>> No.18831986

>new to this
Yeah I can see. When you write options, you do a "sell to open". When you want to "buy them back", you do a "buy to close". This closes the position by buying back options at the current value. The net credit (money you gain) is the difference between the premium when you sold it, and the premium when you bought it back. You can also (and this is often done) wait until expiry if the options are still out of the money. Then they expire worthless and you keep the full amount.
So if you "sell to open" too many options, then you can put in a "buy to close" right afterward and not lose much, if any money. Though you will lose some money in commissions to the broker.

>> No.18832005


It's clearly a controlled demolition of the economy.

>> No.18832026

economy was going to go bust due to many other factors, and the 2008 recession showed us that people will not tolerate a bailout due to failing businesses, so they shut down everything to justify giving expensive bailouts

>> No.18832036


This. Getting bored of kids on here living with their parents pretending this is not going to be a worse than Great Depression tier event.

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See you on Monday lads

>> No.18832082

>just traumatize a couple of generations by making them watch their parents and grandparents die from kung flu because stonk line must go up
Nothingburgerers are bad at pricing things in.

>> No.18832087

Picking up JETS6p, GLD170c, and SPY140p on monday. Maybe TVIX too

>> No.18832103

I see.
>buy to close
So purchase of the same option would cancel out the first writing? With call options, I wouldn't need to hold cash to be able to buy shares to be able to execute my options in case the other guy wanted to execute his?

>> No.18832115

Why would it go to zero over a fucking flu. Car accidents injure millions every year we dont ban cars

>> No.18832116

>>How can I protect my properties against such law?
>That’s a tough one. Continue to not engage in any activities that draw attention to you.
Well yeah it can indeed help reduce the risk
>Maybe if you have any relatives overseas you could reach out to them and see if you can transfer funds to them?
humm I don't have any close enough overseas relatives that I could entrust my funds to...
>Do you have maybe a foreign account to transfer funds too?
Probably it is time to actually doing the paperwork to make such account as people have been talking about... but then another question is that wouldn't those oversea banks be asked to compile with the same international law against terrorism?

>> No.18832121

I rest my case.

>> No.18832137

I think its possible to determine a lower bound from the actual asset holdings these airlines have. That becomes the "make it or die" point for the stock.

>> No.18832163

*I wouldn't need to hold cash to be able to buy shares and execute my options in case the other guy wanted to execute his
I need to go to sleep. It's 4 am over here in euroland.

>> No.18832177

So basically everyone who bought TVIX is going to make a shitload this week

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Also 45 minutes to movie night, tonite's feature will be Howl's Moving Castle (2004).

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yes brother

>> No.18832230

>margin call
How about don't open a margin account unless you know what the fuck you are doing first? Use a cash account.

>> No.18832231

What case? You think airlines are going to go away over a flu? People arent scared of flying they are being forced not fly by the government

>> No.18832240

Case in point.

>> No.18832247

>car accidents are contagious

>> No.18832250

I had a 30k margin call in my first month. Some people only learn by getting fucked

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>how worried are you about accidentaly adding another number to the amount of contracts and getting horribly btfo and margin called?
I always check twice and then panick after the ding and check again.
Never failed... so far
>With call options, I wouldn't need to hold cash to be able to buy shares to be able to execute my options in case the other guy wanted to execute his?
If you sell call options you usually know what you are doing or have them covered. As in "Buy the stock, write the call" or Buy-Write for short. Or write them whenever.

You can write call options naked but my advice would be "dont"
There is a reason why your broker cant give you a loss potential, as it is infinite.
I see

>> No.18832264

>I had a 30k margin call in my first month
Unfathomably based

>> No.18832267

>dude just wait 2 days for your stocks to show up
>and if they dont just kill yourself

>> No.18832279

Congrats on being clinically retarded. I'm sure this extra chromosome will serve you well.

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>> No.18832295

they literally are have you ever seen how scared a cop gets when theres a pileup in the left lane during rush hour

>> No.18832302

I've lost more than that but it was all my money because I don't go into debt over dumb shit. I bet you don't pay off your credit cards and student loans too?

You are fucking dumb. Do you know how anything works? Obviously you don't when you say stupid shit like that.

>> No.18832303


Win win win

Now go back to looting CALPERS bitch

>> No.18832308

>Bought both UAL and SAVE last week for a total of 8 grand

RIP in peace my money for like a year

>> No.18832320

Buffet says 3-4 years :)

>> No.18832327

Why not sell for like a $500 loss and reinvest that money elsewhere?

>> No.18832328

I need some proofs

>> No.18832331

Trump says 3-4 years, buffet says forever.

>> No.18832337

It’ll go back up. It’s just gonna take ....awhile.

>> No.18832339

Big if true
What's the R0 of car accidents

>> No.18832342

I’m sorry, I don’t have photos of my polo shirt or sports memorabilia collections handy

>> No.18832346

I meant that if you've written call options and want to buy them back to have zero net exposure to the underlying instrument, you'd still need to hold cash to be able to buy stock with your options in case the other guy wants to execute his, right? Even if you've bought the same options at the market, you're still obliged to hold the terms of the contract you've written, I'd assume. The other guy made it seem like the buying part was the end of it.

>> No.18832353

Based TVIX chad bros.

>> No.18832374
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Why is zerohedge so cruel ;_;

>> No.18832375

Yeah but if the loss is negligible, why not just sell and put your money into something that will allow you to regain your small loss and obtain a small profit?

>> No.18832377

Do not fall for the meme. If its going down, sell it. You don't just lose the money for a few years, you lose the potential gains for those years. Instead of sitting it in an asset thats losing value you should put it in something that will gain value.

>> No.18832386

when are we selling?

>> No.18832398

Maybe, I'm glad I decided to hold over the weekend.

>> No.18832400


Looks like a pure PnD

this penny stock has been going straight down for years.

>> No.18832405


>> No.18832409

That is pretty mean desu

>> No.18832419

Just give me one reason why I shouldn't pull out a $100,000 margin to go all in on $DFEN at open on Monday.

>> No.18832420

I know it is, thats why I only bought 60 shares

>> No.18832421
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Fucking savage

>> No.18832426

>Buffett waits until people buy the airline dip
>Unloads his bags
>Tells everyone they're shit a month later
>Going to trigger another selloff monday
lmao this nigga is savage

>> No.18832432

Buying it back IS the end of it. You hold no responsibility afterward. That's why its "buy to close". You will literally see four choices when handling options: Buy to open, buy to close, sell to open, sell to close.
If you have written options, you have selected "sell to open". This opens your position and some other fucker buys the options (likely a market maker or brokerage). When you "buy to close", you buy the options back off the market and your position closes. You hold no responsibility after that.
When you sell to open, you want to have the stock on hand. This is called writing a covered call. If you don't have the stock on hand, it makes your exposure even worse because if the option you wrote suddenly goes ITM and gets executed early, then you're on the hook to buy the stock at current prices. If you had bought the stock first then wrote options, then you can never not make money from it because if your option gets executed and your stock called away, it'll be higher than the price you paid for it.

>> No.18832433

I'll just raid you and take your meme bricks.

>> No.18832443

Enjoy bankruptcy

>> No.18832445

I write covered calls on stock I bought with margin.

>> No.18832463

if you're such a degenerate gambler, it wont matter what you win. youll piss it away again.
for the record, do it. post screenshots

>> No.18832465


>> No.18832468

I was thinking of trying this. What stocks did you get? What percent on margin? What kind of strike/expiry? Hows the performance?

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>I meant that if you've written call options and want to buy them back to have zero net exposure to the underlying instrument
So to basically close the position with no strings attached.
>you'd still need to hold cash to be able to buy stock with your options in case the other guy wants to execute his, right?
Early assignment risk is very small. I was never assigned before basically market close on friday. Its just more profitable to sell an option, even for the buyer.

But now lets say you sold a call, it is ITM and the person exercised.
Do you need money if you hold the stocks? No. The stocks get sold for that price.
Do you need money if you have no stocks?Yeah, but: With a margin account you are allowed to go into debt or the broker will probably automatically close the position for you.

So lets say the 11$ option got exercised and the stock is worth 10$. You do not have enough money to cover the position.
Two things might happen:
-The broker asks you to sell stocks or transfer money into the account.
-The broker will, probably, immediately resell the stock and ask for the remaining money. In this case 100$

Depending on the account and broker you have

>Even if you've bought the same options at the market, you're still obliged to hold the terms of the contract you've written, I'd assume. The other guy made it seem like the buying part was the end of it.
Oh shit. I should have read this as well.
No no. You buy back the call.

1. You write the option
2. You owe sombody 100 shares at a 10$ strike on May 8th
3. You buy the same option
4. Somebody would now owe you 100 shares at 10$ on May 8th
You owe sombody 100 apples at first and somebody now owes you 100 apples.
The thing is over.

Its also 5am here, so sorry for bad writing

>> No.18832485

The meme died dude

>> No.18832498

What the fuck is Warren Buffett's problem?

>> No.18832510

Go over to /tv/ and tell them that

>> No.18832535
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You should also look at the metric "open interest".
You can probably see it in your broker. It is all the open options.
If you write a call that goes up by +1, once you buy back that option ("close the position") that interest decreases.

Watch this from 3:30

You see how one guy opens a position and sets an order to close it. Closing it is just the reversal.

>> No.18832593

/tv/ likes cunny a little TOO much.

>> No.18832611
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They shouldve never given you niggers money!

>> No.18832629
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Rolly Royce to cut up to 8000 jobs
German airports ask for government assistance
French state railway SNCF sees €2b hole
German automakers join forces in push for car-buying subsidies
Saudi Arabia looks at painful measures and deep spending cuts
Fewer small workshops and bakeries in Germany
Frozen foods become sales powerhouse during pandemic
Lufthansa mulls bankruptcy amid stalling bailout talks
Swiss Confederation to provide Swiss aviation with liquidity
Andritz Group Q1 net income down and revenue inline

>> No.18832638

??? North Korea just shotted South Korea guard post???

>> No.18832639
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It's all aligning perfectly right now
Look at gold price and bitcoin price

>> No.18832648


>> No.18832656

The collapse of the Soviet Union was a great depression event. This is not the collapse of the Soviet Union

>> No.18832672


British Airways = 14,000 jobs

>> No.18832673


>> No.18832676

I don't go there. It's dead here, b, and pol

>> No.18832682

b-b-b-but I thought airlines were a great investment right now and they totally won't go bankrupt?

>> No.18832684

So I'm thinking of buying a put on AAL. Is that a good idea? Also what other calls and puts would be good. Thinking of putting a put on anything mall related, and calls on gold

>> No.18832700

SA brought the budget deficit on themselves given that their state funding is oil. Europe probably going to feel the pain longer than the US will.

>> No.18832702


No that was the collapse of the political system. This is the real time collapse of the economy in all countries with the exception of a small handful.

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Movie night movie night! Get in here!
Tonite's feature is Howl's Moving Castle (2004), a cozy children's film to brace us in these trying times

>> No.18832713

If you have to ask if doing a put is a good idea, chances are you have no clue what you are doing. This is how you make loss porn that gets posted on reddit by fags for fags

>> No.18832714

We've been close to Balkanization for a while now though

>> No.18832721

Nigga the entire economic system of the Eastern bloc collapsed.

>> No.18832728

;_;. Just asking for advice but you're right anon :(

>> No.18832734
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>not Kikis Delivery Service

>> No.18832738

Could be argued that when the USSR fell that's when modern terrorism took hold. All the former small USSR countries kinda turned into shit holes ripe for terrorist to thrive. Hell kids today have no clue. Things were a lot uh calmer back then.

>> No.18832739

Just invest the old school way. Oil companies like FANG are good. So are REITS like mfa or mitt long term

>> No.18832748

Do not buy AAL. Literally consider any other airline right now.

>> No.18832758

soooooo monday is about to be an absolute bloodbath right

>> No.18832762

Oh fuck, that's not a normal occurrence is it?

>> No.18832766
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Gold mining stocks, gold bullion etfs. But there is also Clorox to invest in.

>> No.18832768

End of the dead cat bounce, liquidate everything except gold

>> No.18832773


>> No.18832774
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Why are you fixated on airlines? You posted so much against them in this thread that I can recognize your ID just from that.

>> No.18832777


Jesus Christ stop being contrarian for the fucking sake of it. The collapse of the Soviet Union barely registered with anyone in the west save fleeting tuts at news items about McDonalds opening and the Berlin Wall coming down. In the space of 8 weeks this had already completely changed the life of almost everyone in the western world.

>> No.18832787


It's a very low tier Brit paper, ignore.

>> No.18832788

KO and WM. I’ve only been doing it since the March dip, I didn’t have enough cash for all the cheapies I wanted to buy. Just using the Robinhood gold margin which is %5. Haven’t gotten assigned yet but I’ve been selling way OTM calls.

>> No.18832794

unironically will keep going up even in an apocalypse

>> No.18832800

A day ending in y

>> No.18832803


Way too many kids on here full stop. They have no experience or context with which to draw from.

>> No.18832823

>It's true though, how much lower can it go? Answer: Not much lower.
Airlines resuned flying doesn't automatically people will immediately start flying like they used to.
International borders are still being shut
Economy have been a lot worse
People are now getting used to meeting online
Public are still worried about the virus
Also, they're now losing more money than they would usually gain, which take much more time than the period of travel closure to recover

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what a boring detail it must be to have to stand there all day

>> No.18832840

KO seems good. I was doing a screening for stocks and comparing lower priced stocks vs high price stocks and it seemed to be better to buy the more expensive stock to sell covered calls at about +4-5% above current price. One that seemed good was Taiwan semi conductors, also GlaxoSmithKline. They have good dividends and decent weekly call premiums. I don't remember the other ones but it can change quickly. I was thinking of doing this for my ROTH IRA, just selling OTM covered calls.

>> No.18832844

Absolutely autistic response and a god damned waste of trips. I never meant this was a global depression but a localized version of it. Faggot, you know what? You're right. Everything you said is correct, you have never been wrong in anything in your life, both your friends love associating with you because how much you have to be right about everything.
>stop being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian
I have never met a person who says shit like that who isn't offended that someone on God's green earth may just in fact know things that they don't

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i posted a picture for ants

>> No.18832850

I liked Buffett until today. Fuck that guy, he's going cause a massive selloff on already fucked airlines stocks. Fucking piece of shit.

>> No.18832862

Retest of lows fucking when?

>> No.18832863

suck a dick, buffet brings cheapies

>> No.18832865

>Fuck that guy, he's going cause a massive selloff on already fucked airlines stocks
I mean if you attempt any level of FA to airline stocks you come to the same conclusion. Airline bags will probably have to be held even longer than oil bags.

>> No.18832868

Literally this week

>> No.18832871

Fug, it's starting.

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I disliked him till today. My puts are gonna PRINT!

>> No.18832881

Not common, last time oy t happened was a few years ago when a North Korea border solider escaped tp the South
The news itself is from authentic Korean source. That only low quality English source have reported it by now is only the problem of Anglosphere

>> No.18832884

I hope BA tanks too

>elon and fucking warren buffet somehow save my puts

What a wild ride. I think I'm going to have a heart attack.

>> No.18832889

BA has already secured whale funding in addition to "low interest" GIBBS
>aerospace company that will literally not be processing new aerospace orders for 4+ years
This fucking company

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And then he posted again! Everyone laugh at this retard!

>> No.18832901

I know about their bind offering, but the company is literally under criminal investigation and their stock already dropped 5% on friday. Also its forming a descending triangle for what its worth.

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>> No.18832935
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>b-b-but my leveraged etf decay

>> No.18832947

Stuff like this happens a lot. It's common enough that it doesn't even make news in SK

>> No.18832964

Decay only matters in crab markets. If course leverage pays off in a high volatility setting. Now go long TVIX on margin :^)

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is this bullish https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/02/us/asian-giant-hornet-washington.html

>> No.18832982

Will we hit a breaker on monday? The BVLL SVRGE posters have gotten awfully quiet.

>> No.18832987

are you using robinhood and if so, have you been able to withdraw any of those gainz?

>> No.18832990

Reddit told me not to sell my airline stocks on Monday.

>> No.18832999

Airlines will dump and then algorithms will take over and we will see some blood monday

>> No.18833003

I'm super new, take this question with a grain of salt

Isn't something like TVIX meant to be traded very short term?

>> No.18833012

they're goyna find some fake&gay reason to poomp it on monday and the brrr will result in overall +0.8%, then the dump resumes tues-thurs.

>> No.18833013

>everyone on /smg/ predicting Monday crash
I've seen this story before, load up on calls

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>> No.18833019

airlines moon on Monday just to spite you guys

>> No.18833030

This. Everyone expects them to crash, which is why they will moon hard.

>> No.18833036

Europe was on holiday on Friday and couldn't sell. They will be doubling down and we will follow. With how wacky this market has been though I wouldn't be surprised at a Tuesday reversal.

>> No.18833038

OK retard

>> No.18833045

thats not what they track you tard

open its chart and look at it for more than 2 seconds

>> No.18833048

yes, when markets are trending up you get rekt unless you trade tvix in and out intraday or hold for just 1 day and quickly get out as you gain. if markets are in a fucking death spiral though, one tvix share can go from $40 to $1000...............just look at the chart my fren. it's possible and it could happen again. except now it's already above $200 so it might top out at around $500-$700. i am getting tvix on any green days, don't give a fuck anymore. already missed too many moves. also have SPXS. i was in SQQQ last week but chickened out and only made 4% like a little weak bitch.

>> No.18833054

Airline puts Monday lads

>> No.18833057

im holding until tuesday or wednesday. unironically believe the robinhood zoomers will start a bull run on them that will push them higher than friday's close.

>> No.18833069
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We predicted a green day on friday. I think we are in for more crabbing. Nothing will really happen.

>Rude posters in my /smg/

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most kids itt have no idea how tvix works. its not a normal stock. its performance is not based on people buying or selling. rather its the contracts to vix futures. do not be fooled by the lines on the graph go real high. tvix will be down $30 dollars per share monday. screen shot this

>> No.18833080

I've been retarded and have been holding SPXS at 11.50 for like a week and a half
I bought the top and I'm too dumb to just sell it

>> No.18833093

I’m going full retard Monday and buying more UAL and SAVE. Fuck everyone here telling me to sell.

>> No.18833094
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How many reverse splits do you need to hit "billion" on a chart?

>> No.18833099

>why would a stock that went bankrupt twice go bankrupt again during the worst ever crisis for the airline industry?

>> No.18833103

>anime tranny with organized image folder logs into a vpn to say a mean thing

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We are many and we come to hang the 3D roasties from lamp posts.

>> No.18833137

The bobos were out in full force Thursday

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ITT:anime and plebbit bears.

Smells about right for the weekend.

>> No.18833145

honestly wouldnt be a bit surprised if this actually happened

>> No.18833158

this, always do the opposite of what the retards on here do

>> No.18833189

Did buffet just kill RTX, RTX chads?

>> No.18833190

Never bet against America.

>> No.18833206

Is that why he sold all his airplanes and is holding cash lmao? I don't see a scenario in which Monday is green besides "people here think it's red so it'll be green!!!1!1"

>> No.18833218

But sell all your American airline stocks and btw we don't see anything attractive to buy right now even with the 30% drawdown lol :-)

>> No.18833224

well berkshire is only holding like 10% more than they normally do.

>> No.18833227

>Is that why he sold all his airplanes and is holding cash lmao?

First the comment was made in context of a history lesson. Second, he is heavily invested in America and for good reason

>> No.18833270

I’m selling all my XOM Monday, waiting for the dip. Then putting that into EURN when it’s low.

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He literally can't get uninvested because he would trigger an even bigger sell-off and people would be pissed. He is stuck and prepped his investors to trust the plan.

That's still pretty telling at these prices.

I just see firms and big money looking at this and probably wanting to get into cash.

>> No.18833284

There's still one more day of news left to go.

>> No.18833289

I’ll bet against the old man on the airlines

>> No.18833292


Blackpill me on this stock, anon? And why is its yield so shiite?

>> No.18833297

That's because it's going down another 35%

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Yeah that's why I'm not posting bobo images yet. Today is super bearish but who knows. Guess I gotta go to sleep and find out.

>> No.18833312

Is it time for a twelve POLO SHIRT?

>> No.18833314


>> No.18833316


leveraged ETF decay hurts the short ones not really the long ones

>> No.18833358

They have one of the biggest fleets on earth currently and are posed well to take advantage of spot charters with their VLCCs.

>> No.18833363

I’m thinking it will be time to sell some $20 DAL puts.

>> No.18833366

It's possible, given how volatile markets are, but we've been seeing lower buying volume and increasing selling volume over the past three weeks. The momentum has been gradually reversing, finally transitioning downward as of the past two days. It seems likely that we're in for more selling before people attempt to "buy the dip" again. The past three weeks have been resistance around the 50% and 61.8% retracements, though I don't really give much value to Fibb. levels.

We're going into a news cycle that's going to have a lot less positive news and a lot more negative news, whereas a lot of the optimism that has been fueling this rally has been on the back of positive developments (re-openings, treatment progress, stimulus measures, etc.). If the optimism that we were seeing wasn't enough to break past a 60% retracement, I don't think it will be enough. For example:

Consumer loan impairment (for online lenders) reached 12% towards the start of April. For borrowers with FICO scores >740, that number is 7.5%. For borrowers with FICO scores <650, it's 20%.

Roughly 7% of mortgage holders are seeking or have sought home loan relief thus far.

Unemployment claims exceeded 30 million, representing slightly more than 18% of the entire US labor force.

Real unemployment estimates post-"reopening" are in the low to mid-teens for the remainder of the year.

The Fed will maintain low (non-negative) interest rates for as long as economic conditions require, hinting at a longer economic rebound. They've been tapering QE since starting.

And regarding small business, as a snapshot of the current conditions, JP Morgan's business banking division saw 300,000 applications from small firms, of which 18,000 were initially funded, rising to 26,500 in total. That's less than 10%.

>> No.18833367

Robinhood ppl have like $80 in their accounts dude theyre not changing shit

>> No.18833375

So, they're basically oil tankers? But why should I go with them over, say, FRO?

>> No.18833391

RTX is too long of a hold to really profit in this crab market. If you can afford to park several grand in a stock, RTX is perfect. But if you are trying to grow your money in a short period of time, RTX is not great for that. In a word, RTX cannot be swing traded.

>> No.18833503

They have VLCCS which are premium for an oil glut like this FRO has a lot small ships if I remember correctly.

>> No.18833511

I just started and threw 2,000 bucks in at 60 bucks a share for 30 shares. I was hoping for a stable stock that would grow but now I am concerned due to UTX's exposure to airlines.

>> No.18833513

FRO has a lot of debt

>> No.18833547
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>RTX is too long of a hold to really profit in this crab market.
You missed the part where it went up 15% and down 10% in two weeks. RTX is a long hold, but the market is so volatile that you can swing trade anything. I bought before merger, sold at $67, and just rebought at $60. The beauty is that even if you fuck up your timing, it'll go up in the long run and you can just wait it out.

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Dubs and monday is a red day

>> No.18833668

>i'm a good goy and i do what the 90 year old Greatest Generation™ goy tells me to do

>> No.18833670

Try these on for size

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>betting against Buffet
>expecting a blood bath on Monday
So airlines down, everything else up, got it.

>> No.18833695

Say what you want but a lot of retards actually believe that and they mainpulaye the stock prices

>> No.18833726
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You two don't know what you're doing
Witness my power

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scrolling through this thread, i now understand. you guys are just pedo retards. lol. stay poor and stay off 0% allocation to bitcoin.

>> No.18833761

Let the ending BEGIN!

>> No.18833766
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It's just pedo retard bulls vs nazi retard bears but isn't that what makes it fun?

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(Teleports behind you and steals your get)
Heh nothing personal kid

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Ha ha, fail!

>> No.18833890 [DELETED] 


Most people are still bullish.


>> No.18833939


Most people are still bullish.


>> No.18833950

What an unpleasant webm

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>> No.18834017

Buy VXX, GOLD, and EURN at the open.

>> No.18834030

> taking finance decision from mob sentiment of robbin'hood out of all places

>> No.18834031

That's insane. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.

>> No.18834081
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did you see the arm?

>> No.18834158

are you saying there's a person inn there?

>> No.18834210

Cute lil fella

>> No.18834222

Someone else will know better, bit I'm guess you'll see last week's losses erased as 1Q earnings are announced. You will then see another, smaller price drop as baggies exit and others take small profits. I think the zenith will come in late June or July. One thing I've learned in two years of newfagging: tankers are some volatile, unpredictable shit. Take a look at TNK in January of '19 and trace it to the present.

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American is in the most danger. Southwest is maybe the most stable. Delta has the most earning potential. Just my worthless opinion.

>> No.18834250

I want NAT to moon to $9 next week, is is asking too much or tankers really are the shitcoins of stock market

>> No.18834331

NAT is a shitcoin compared to EURN and FRO.

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>He literally can't get uninvested because he would trigger an even bigger sell-off and people would be pissed.
Since when is that his problem? Are people freaking at bezos every time he sells?

Buy in low 40’s. Markets not gonna like when they report earnings. I expect “Bank of X initiates coverage as ‘underperform’”

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