/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.18740755]

What's the point in creating anything? Everyone is creating things at every moment of every day. What for? So we can consume and then create more? At what point have we not created enough to last everyone a lifetime? All we really need is food, shelter and power. We have all the books we could ever want to read. We have all the films we could ever want to see. We have heard every possible subject be spoken about, at length, with enough hours recorded in archives to last a life time of research. Everything else is worthless fluff, just being made for the sake of making something, so it feels like we're making good use of our time. Every single business is the same: either selling useless trinkets or pointless entertainment to fill time with. Surely there's something else we can do now? And no, I'm not interested in whatever retarded religious zealot wants to appear out of the woodwork and tell me to convert. It's just more useless product, like the rest.

[Anonymous No.18740778]

Supply and demand would disagree. People wouldn't make all that shit unless there was a market for it

[Anonymous No.18740793]

>>18740755
>low iq zoomer turned 22
>life is hard
>cheap, “deep” thoughts ensue

[Anonymous No.18740795]

>>18740755
the government will take it from you when the time is right

[Anonymous No.18740846]

>>18740778
There's only a market for it because people are retards who want whatever is "new". We don't actually need anything new, especially since there is nothing that is intrinsically new that can be made at this point, anyway.

>>18740793
Wrong

>>18740795
Schizo

[Anonymous No.18741105]

>>18740793
maximum projection.

[Anonymous No.18741163]

>>18740778
There’s a market for it because people fall for marketing

[Anonymous No.18741179]

>>18740755
The secret /biz/ server link is discord gg 2hc3gS6
We will interview John McAfee this week. Join.
lel

[Anonymous No.18741379]

>>18740846
>anything i don't agree with is schizo

[Anonymous No.18741396]

What do you propose we create instead? Are you just talking about entertainment?

[Anonymous No.18741454]

>>18740755
I'm not thinking about it at a level as deep as you are, but I think I totally get what you're saying.

I used to play Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag 1 with several other really good players back in 2000 and felt like we could play that all day. We actually did, for over a decade. I'd still be playing it they didn't come out with Tekken 4, 5, 5DR, 6, 6BR, Tag 2, 7 etc.

I eventually fell out of the series because I couldn't afford to buy a PS3, a PSP, and then a PS4, and everyone else moved on to the newer games. I never understood why they had to keep making new ones (other than a cash grab), when classic games like chess or basketball don't have a new version every 3-4 years and people still love playing it.

Also all the anime I have yet to watch would probably take decades. Like right now I'm doing a Naruto marathon, took me several weeks to get to pic related. And gonna watch One Piece next.

Even now, I'm still having fun occasionally playing good old Warcraft III custom games with my girlfriend and friends over LAN, like several hours a week. Maps like Hero sieges and Hero Line Wars we've played hundreds of times, we still enjoy thoroughly.

Everything new is basically just a cash grab.

[Anonymous No.18741524]

>>18740755
the deliberate act of not creating anything anymore would probably get labelled as an omnipresent (scope limit, earth) postmodern art installation so suck it up buddy the machine cannot be stopped

unless you are able to shoot absolutely everybody and then yourself

[Anonymous No.18741564]

>>18740793
and how much are we gonna bet he's taken at least his first hit of acid or more

hehehhehe

[Anonymous No.18741681]

>>18740755
The secret /biz/ server link is discord gg UrGjFsg
We will interview John McAfee this week. Join.
lel

[Anonymous No.18741775]

>>18741524
Yeah, that's the thing. The machine cannot be stopped. And the consequences are entirely boring.

[Anonymous No.18741907]

I have conflicting morals here. OTOH freedom is good and so therefore that implies that the free market is good. OTOH certain things are just objectively bad for us like cigarettes or consoomerism, and yet humanity encourages all kinds of bad behaviors like drugs, alcohol, cigs, fast food, overconsumption of media, porn, etc... now some of these may be ok in moderation and some aren’t good at all, regardless our society encourages overconsumption of things, and if you point out all these bad things to npcs you always get the answer like “I like capitalism hmph” now I ain’t no commie, if anything free handouts encourage more useless and overconsumption.

[Anonymous No.18741961]

>>18741907
Freedom is just an antiquated meme, if you scrutinise the situation nobody is actually 'free' in any sense. Agreed that pro-capitalistireenos are generally NPC twats, but not leftist either. Just think we need to think of something new, and fast. Not even necessarily a new politics, but a new reason for living. What is the intention of our civilisation, exactly? Freedom? From what? Ourselves?

[Anonymous No.18742125]

>>18741961
For me, it’s freedom from physical labor. Freedom from illness. Freedom from interacting with people I don’t like.

[Anonymous No.18742202]

>>18742125
Good point. But I don't see why we need a free market, consumerism and all that shit to have these things. All capitalism does is loosely veil the slave underclass that is necessary for rich people to be free in this sense. Meanwhile, they have to be placated with consumerism garbage, constantly, and so everything has become just that. Our entire economy is now there to serve the slave class itself. Noble pursuits are no longer valuable. Society's only intention is to ensure slave satisfaction.

[Anonymous No.18742325]

>>18740755
I can't find a single emerging tech idea that isn't "increasing productivity" of what? of whatever trinkets they were making or insuring.
>>18740778
people are thoroughly impulsive, their desire came after the item was pushed at them. 95% of products are lifestyle products not used as anyone intended, it's all hoarded or paraded.

[Anonymous No.18742342]

>>18742202
I think you are confusing “free market” with “capitalism or consumerism”, free market just means voluntary interaction. You and me agree on a deal with a handshake and there is no government regulator to say otherwise. The real trick the devil has pulled is hypontized people into voluntary interactions that are against their own self interests

[Anonymous No.18742378]

>>18742202
There’s also attracting mates. People generally use money or status to attract mates. And women are highly consumerist more then men.

[Anonymous No.18742394]

>>18741961
freedom is the medium civilisation provides to become our best selves however we so choose, i.e. virtue.
>You request my presence at the Olympic Games, and for that reason you have sent envoys. For myself, I would come for the spectacle of physical struggle, except that I would be abandoning the greater struggle for virtue.
-Apollonius

[Anonymous No.18742455]

>>18742378
Oh, yeah. I already did that shit, and have a beautiful family, so I forget we live in a simp economy, designed by simps, built for simps, to satisfy the need of simp slaves worldwide who only think about how to attract girls they can simp for.

>>18742342
Not confused, just being lazy in my writing, but anyhow, you're right.

>>18742394
Bored of this 'freedom' propaganda

[Anonymous No.18742528]

>>18742455
>oh yeah I already did that shit

Well aren’t you superior

[Anonymous No.18742542]

Only losers care about what they need.

[Anonymous No.18742554]

>>18742528
I just forget how pathetic most men out there are. But it's the answer to the problem at hand, here. So thanks for reminding me.

[Anonymous No.18742567]

>>18741907
That's why moral guidance is important. Freedom with no direction or purpose just produces hedonism

[Anonymous No.18742573]

>>18740755

Create things that you enjoy creating . Dont do it just for money.

[Anonymous No.18742594]

>>18742573
I'm not worrying about money at all. I'm asking: what is there worth creating at this point?

How many shitty video games and action movies do slaves need? Don't they have enough? Do we just keep going round and round so the economy has a reason to move? The ultimate intention of our society is trash.

[Anonymous No.18742597]

If you hold your semen for some weeks you will get an insane drive to create something meaningful, and if you indulge you will quickly notice it should be art, because art is the higherst form of vitality that there is out there, however the jews made art insanely sexually depleted by releasing constantly so now art is dead and soulless

[Anonymous No.18742608]

>>18741163
It’s often because they’re either chasing the dopamine rush of buying shit or to fill a deeper psychological void. Humans are some fucked up monkeys bro

[Anonymous No.18742625]

>>18742597
Point to one work of art made in the last five years that is worth my time, then.

And don't tell me about any conspiracy, since there is an entire movement of guys who don't release semen known as 'nofap'. Where is the renaissance of great art?

[Anonymous No.18742642]

>>18742594
Lets suppose you had enough resources to support everyone with a basic income. What the hell are they suppose to do then if you took away their struggle for survival?

[Anonymous No.18742655]

>>18742625
Somebody taped a banana to a wall

[Anonymous No.18742701]

>>18742625
>>18742655

Wait a hundred years and some autistic faggots will rediscover them, there is still too much jewish money laundering and sexual subversion on art nowadays, and it won't stop for at least 10 years

[Anonymous No.18742713]

>>18742642
We practically already have this. Most people don't do any meaningful or necessary work. We have a facade economy of people clocking in to read Facebook and Twitter all day, while a fraction of the population does any actual work.

Said people need to feel as though they belong to a moving culture, however, which is why we create this constant cycle of 'new' events happening. Their minds are then entertained by the entertainment, so they remain docile, because nobody has a clue what else to do anymore. Our society has no ultimate intention, as I say. No point other than base experience of 'events'. I guess the religious/new age/spiritual nuts are trying to change that, but it's just another mode of utter retardation I can't abide.

[Anonymous No.18742723]

>>18742701
It’ll never stop, just cycle. There’s nothing new under the sun

[Anonymous No.18742757]

>>18740755
Only humans create, that makes it a noble goal that can easily atrophy if we stop. A byproduct of that approach is that it grants us the skill of discerning knowledge from falsities. The alternative is we lapse into hedonistic consumption like wild animals because we were shaped by our nihilistic opinions and habits.

You should reread Adam Smith again, both books. He really does care about the human condition and offers some hope.

[Anonymous No.18742786]

>>18742713
It seems like an alien civilization discovered humans 2000 years ago and having been guiding them towards a single goal. A borg, AI mind, where everyone’s brain is connected to a mind control grid for some nefarious purpose I know not. It’s what all the ancients said, it’s what all the religions said, it’s what all the conspiracy theorists said, even some top technocrats have said this

[Anonymous No.18742810]

>>18742757
Our modern creations are ignoble, lacking purpose or direction. Adam Smith is antiquated, pin factory philosophy bears no relevance to this ridiculous world we live in today.

Maybe the creation of a pin was a noble idea to meditate on 250 years ago, with the promise of the future, but what future are we working towards now? Where are we going? Why?

[Anonymous No.18742832]

>>18742757
All manner of creatures create: bees build hives, crows fashion tools. Humans are perhaps the only species to create things purely for aesthetic or cultural value, but it’s just an extension of an already innate tendency. To call it noble sounds like hubris.

[Anonymous No.18742950]

>>18742625
We clearly exist in a degenerate time for art, post-modernists have a pyramid scheme of selective entertainment, their idea of entertainment is convincing others to see value where there is none and coerce people to say "everything has been done before, thus nothing is art unless a lens is applied to it that contrasts against other lenses that have been applied to art".

You are kind of buying into that lazy artist demotivational scam. We await a Juvenal or Tacitus to come along to satirize it once and for all.

[Anonymous No.18742962]

>>18740755
>What's the point in creating anything?
The betterment of humanity?

[Anonymous No.18742979]

>>18740755
I like to create art that is nice to look at, makes me feel good and to keep trying to get better and that eventually it will be good enough to inspire and uplift others.

[Anonymous No.18743040]

>>18742950
Sorry bro, but re-hashing Jordan Peterson's trite and uneducated talking points about post-modernism isn't of interest to me. My view of art is much more nuanced than this.

But I asked the poster to show me a work of art worth looking at in the past five years, from the 'nofap' movement specifically, as he claimed retaining semen creates a foundation for stellar artwork.

>>18742979
This attitude is what I find so boring. You should have no place creating art of any sort.

>>18742962
Define 'betterment' here, in the modern context, relative to what I have said in the OP

[Anonymous No.18743046]

>>18742810
Antiquated? perhaps if you put the blinders on and don't find the universal within texts that apply to your time.

You might be right about now though. Theoretically the household appliance automation craze should have spawned the best recipe and nutrition boom ever, it freed up enough time for such a moment, but there was no appetite for that because the culture was busy trying on different philosophies. Somebody convinced women that homely kitchen work was evil and serving two masters was more admirable (or at least more ripe with gossip and sexual options) and being served as an individual of status was more ideal than serving your children best.

[Anonymous No.18743102]

>>18743040
>My view of art is much more nuanced than this.
let's have it, Mr. pessimism.

[Anonymous No.18743144]

>>18743102
He likes what he likes and everything else is r*ddit

[Anonymous No.18743153]

>>18743102
Well, this thread is the most transcendent work of art created on this day in history, I would posit. It's been an absolute pleasure. To explain why would take me the length of an entire book, however.

[Anonymous No.18743177]

op is a faggot

[Anonymous No.18743181]

>>18743144
True, although I don't like anything. Everything is just various gradients of Reddit.

[Anonymous No.18743202]

>>18743177
You still haven't shown me the nofap renaissance era art. Where is it?

[Anonymous No.18743208]

>>18743181
Fair, but by the same token isn’t everything then shades of this thread?

[Anonymous No.18743216]

>>18743208
Yes

[Anonymous No.18743217]

>>18743202

in ur ass every night when you get pounded by your nihilistic ass worldview

[Anonymous No.18743232]

>>18743216
>>18743217
Deep

[Anonymous No.18743244]

>>18743217
Maybe, instead of holding in your semen and hoping to become the next Michelangelo, you should read more and learn what 'nihilistic' means. Fucking schizo.

[Anonymous No.18743257]

>>18743181
>I don't like anything
What better reason to create something better do you need? dissatisfaction is the greatest motivation force, you won't hear it from creatives though, they don't want their secret inspiration out - that they hate most of what came before them. Instead they will only say their inspiration is a "mysterious" force that builds upon proven ideals.

[Anonymous No.18743314]

>>18743257
I created this thread.

[Anonymous No.18743334]

>>18743314
That seems more like initiating a discussion than creating a great work, but ok. Toasting in an autistic bread

[Anonymous No.18743343]

>>18743334
Cheers to that.

[Anonymous No.18743344]

>>18742125
Unfortunately, it seems the only way to achieve this is being rich. So yeah, go all in on the next BTC dip.

[Anonymous No.18743487]

>>18743244
>i have the impression that everything new has no value to me
>i dont want to seek new things with value
>so it must be that everything new has no value and won't ever have

[Anonymous No.18743636]

>>18740755
>>18743181
There's your answer. Maybe you just need to sit back on a Friday night and enjoy the ART of playing candy crush on a tablet while wheel of fortune is playing. Appreciate the colors and how the candy glistens. Light a yankee candle and enjoy the amazingly realistic scent of a yankee. Watch COPS on TV while eating Stouffers.
>inb4 calling this mindless/pointless consumerism.
Deeply appreciate what's around you before criticising and you might find your meaning.

[Anonymous No.18743778]

>>18740755
I'm not here to give your life meaning.

[Anonymous No.18743964]

>>18743344
>next dip

[Anonymous No.18744297]

>>18741907

>what is the third position

[Anonymous No.18744325]

>op took the tedpill

[Anonymous No.18744356]

>>18740755
To create goods and services for your masters to consume and enjoy. Back to work, slave.

[Anonymous No.18744400]

>>18740755
You have this all backwards. Creating is the only valuable thing. What you're talking about is mindless consumption.

[Anonymous No.18744518]

>>18742962
cringe

[Anonymous No.18744551]

>>18740755
Anarcho-primitivist masterrace

Agriculture was a mistake

[Anonymous No.18744622]

>>18744551
Imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.18744635]

>>18740755
Have you considered that the inspiration for creation of non consumable goods comes from people wanting to express their own personal experiences and realizations or people simply coming up with a new idea of something that could be fun and beneficial, and that the drive for creation is not consumption based at all?
You say there has to be something else besides consooming but you reject spirituality, so OP what do YOU spend your time and life doing?

[Anonymous No.18744658]

>>18744622
You keep jacking off to anime. I'll walk around naked in the woods

[Anonymous No.18744690]

>>18741907
I have literally never heard anyone in real life support capitalism, they think that's what we currently have and shit on it.
Free market also doesnt mean you *should* buy or do literally anything

[Anonymous No.18744711]

>>18740755
>What's the point in creating anything?
im still waitin on some anime seasons

[Anonymous No.18744718]

>>18742594
>what is worth creating
Whatever gives you joy to make

[Anonymous No.18744733]

>>18744658
maximum projection

[Anonymous No.18744735]

>>18742625
No Man's Sky, definitely art, definitely a fun way to spend your time especially since you seem to be in a place where youre finding it hard to let go and just enjoy what being alive is freely

[Anonymous No.18744791]

I like scuba diving

[Anonymous No.18744821]

>>18740755
Consuming and making things brings us joy. There's nothing more to it than that, all deeper meanings are illusory. We can rebel against the absurd but let's not kid ourselves about the truth

[Anonymous No.18744892]

>>18743040
You sound depressed, anything anyone says to you will just fall on deaf ears since you seem to have it all figured out. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.18744952]

>>18742625
There isn’t one. Nofap is pushed by the right because “Muh degeneracy” and sexually frustrated people are easier to manipulate to anger. Then they do it on websites like this pretending to be a regular user and before you know it you’re just a tool of the alt right and you even believe it was your idea.

[Anonymous No.18745028]

>>18740755
you're headed down a dangerous path Anon. I suggest you stop asking questions and focus on competing for status with your family, friends, and neighbors. otherwise you might turn into a big loser without nice stuff and an important job