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>> No.18727600

>another +2% day
It’s all so tiresome

>> No.18727604

Usually I see a correlation between Bitcoin and the market especially on weekends. If Bitcoin is up on Sunday, market eill be green on Monday.

>> No.18727612

>>18727576
Buy ubt, very gute coin. Buy now

>> No.18727616

we are back to november 2019 levels

>> No.18727627
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18727627

BREAKOUT

>> No.18727634

>>18727616
No. We are way higher than that, taken the massive GDP drop into account. Nevertheless, i am done. Sold my puts and good luck to you all.

Hopefully the next generations are getting utterly destroyed and live in poverty thanks to their boomer daddy.

>> No.18727635

BE READY FOR THE GREAT SHORT SQUEEZE

>> No.18727644
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18727644

>actually going short

>> No.18727650

>>18727634
Fuck you god damn subversive kike shills. Seriously I wish suffering upon your family.

>> No.18727654

MMM earnings soon, my loves

>>18727635
What short squeeze

>> No.18727656

Long USO

>> No.18727659

AIR bros, we‘re all gonna make it.

>> No.18727666
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18727666

>>18727656

>> No.18727681
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>>18727600
>>18727616
We gained back an entire YEAR in a MONTH.
>Healthy, natural growth

>> No.18727682

>>18727666
Check em

>> No.18727691

>>18727654

if we breakout how many stop losses do you think there are right above the 290?

>> No.18727708

>>18727635
Who is shorting?

>> No.18727719
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18727719

Fucking around with paper trading. I picked out what I consider solid buys with good dividends that I would buy every month for decades. This amount average out to 6% yield and $1000. Any advice on what I could add/subtract to/from this list?

>> No.18727725
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>>18727576
GILEAD

It's good out of China so who knows if it's legit, but it was just published. Any clinical trial PhDs here who can interpret the research paper attached? Conclusion is on page 9, but the extreme number of sources is strange. Is this normal?

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.063859v1

>> No.18727731

Once WTI breaches 10, does it waterfall to -40 again? That would be tits

>> No.18727733

>>18727725
Didn't Gilead state that remvasir or whatever actually had no results so it was just a quick pump and dump?

>> No.18727734

>>18727719
If you have <25k you should focus on investing in yourself so you can make actual money rather than trying to trade. I fucking love cunny btw. Also unironically SPX 2400 by Friday.

Best of luck to you all.

>> No.18727737

>>18727731
its too early for that, but you never know

>> No.18727744

>>18727650
Cope harder you obvious leftypol faggot

>> No.18727745

>>18727650
>>18727634
Samefag kill yourself
>>18727708
Bobos are shorting. They pave the path to ATHs with their corpses as always.
>>18727733
That’s a strange way of interpreting their statement.

>> No.18727749

>>18727576
anyone else have a boomer father that drives you insane? I told my dad I was thinking of dumping my chevron and putting it all into Aytu on Friday morning when it was 1.28, he talked me out of it and told it was a stupid idea and a rash decision.

On friday it closed at 1.40.

On Monday at noon my dad texted me telling me he bought 500 shares at 1.84 and would split it with me since I gave him the tip...it closed at 2 bucks. I should've just bought on friday and not told him, fucking boomers

maybe he's starting to realize I'm not totally a retard though, that's nice

>> No.18727752

>>18727733
No that was the trial run by the CCP that was stopped early ~1 month ago, which was reported then too.

>> No.18727753

>>18727731
It probably won't go negative any time soon, but it will probably hover close to zero until we near the expiration.

>> No.18727754

>>18727734
I’m not going to be trading these I’m going to be working and stashing about 1k a month into the market with these stocks at the ratio I posted so I can hopefully be a multimillionaire

>> No.18727757

OH NO NO NO NO
BULLBROS
WE GOT TOO COCKY

>> No.18727765

>>18727749
AYTU will be back to 50 cents before June 1st guaranteed kek

>> No.18727766
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18727766

Buy?

>> No.18727768

>>18727725
Plz pharmacy bros tell me if this is legit I have a ton of calls

>> No.18727769

>>18727757
>today will only be +1% instead of 2%
Cocky indeed

>> No.18727775

>>18727768
I would close them out sooner rather than later.

>> No.18727780

LMAO RETARDED BULLNIGGERS BTFO YET AGAIN

>> No.18727785

>>18727775
Why?

>> No.18727791
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18727791

Bullchads... are we gonna be okay?

>> No.18727792

>>18727681
Yeah, but crashing an entire year in a week isn't any more natural or healthy.

>> No.18727794

>>18727765
yeah that's my worry as well, it seems like last week when I spotted it was the time to buy, and time to sell is probably now, unless their treatment really does revolutionize medicine

>> No.18727797

>>18727780
Are you high on cum or something

>> No.18727802

>>18727792
Yes, nether are good, its a sign of a poisoned market that needs to burn down.

>> No.18727809

oh no no no
MUMU
MUMUUUUUU
ARE YOU OK MUMU?????
AHAHAHAHAAAAAA

>> No.18727820

>>18727794
Riddle me this, how can their tx protocol differentiate between the "bad" stuff and the "good" stuff? It's legit PND.

>> No.18727832

I have a couple NAT 5/15 calls. Am I gonna make it or end up roof leaping?

>> No.18727838

>>18727745
Hahahah you scared kike shills are TERRIFIED. PREPARE TO LOSE IT ALL FAGGOTS

>> No.18727840

>>18727809
I feel pretty good, thanks for asking

>> No.18727843

>>18727792
The crash was the healthiest possible thing. The market is propped up on pathologically low interest rates, stock buybacks and the promise that failure can't happen. This isn't new, we've been like this since the 2008 recovery. The US is no longer capitalistic.

>> No.18727844

>>18727820
tx protocol? I thought they were developing technology to fight diseases with UV light. And I figured it pumped because Trump mentioned that during his press conference last thursday. I didn't really think there was anything more to it than that

>> No.18727847

Have the bobos snapped?

>> No.18727852

>>18727797
Only a kike or homosexual would think of being high on cum. You absolute degenerate being.

>> No.18727866

HAHAHAH LOOK THE KIKES STOP POSTING WHEN THEY GET CALLED OUT

>> No.18727867

>>18727791
just close your eyes fren

>> No.18727868

>>18727768
gilead is fucked, competitive big phama jews from rival companies suppressed the price for years on end to keep the price lower for possible acquisitions, don't play the big pharma game unless you are an insider, there are plenty of development stage buyouts with less risk and more upside, do your own due dilligence

>> No.18727876

>>18727847
The real boobs don’t shitpost constantly they open shorts when the market reaches a tipping point and rake in profit

>> No.18727878

>>18727866
Are you ok bobo

>> No.18727879
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18727879

>>18727627
BORGAR

>> No.18727880

>>18727843
Ok shortfag. I'm guessing USA getting nuked or an extinction level disaster would be healthy too.
The entire world crashed. Not just the US. Just because your puts keep failing isn't a sign of "cheating", it's the actual free market doing what it does best.

>> No.18727882

What's the next AYTU? I'm keeping them tankers too until after the summer.

>> No.18727887

>>18727880
>free market

>> No.18727893

Lmao @ bullfags rn

>> No.18727901

>>18727880
>Massive government intervention
>Central Bank printing money to overtly manipulate the market
>"muh Free market"
Capitalism doesn't really exist. Change my mind.

>> No.18727906

BULLNIGGERS FINNA BOUT TO GET DABBED ON

>> No.18727918
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18727918

>WTI -20%
weeeeeee

>> No.18727924

>>18727880
US has been a corporate welfare state since TARP

>> No.18727930
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18727930

>>18727918
Nice, more USO cheapies

>> No.18727940
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18727940

>>18727924
>not 1913

>> No.18727944

>>18727906
AY AY, DID WITEBOY JUST SAY NIGGA?

>> No.18727945

>>18727880
Covid isn't actually the problem. The US has been stagnant for decades yet the price keeps outpacing inflation. How is that? Dinosaur companies play number games while they produce less value than they did before, and the price rises higher and higher.
A market built on fundamentals would move up and down gradually based on actual productivity. Flash crashes are not healthy, but they're a symptom of a larger problem. They wouldn't happen if everyone wasn't always on a hair trigger, knowing it's all hot air.

>> No.18727951

kek at boeing needing $4 billion a month to stay barely afloat

>> No.18727956

>>18727840
>DAX looks like a Benis
Bullish.

>> No.18727966

I refuse to acknowledge the movements of the fraudulent market right now. I will stay in cash until whoever is controlling this shit pretends to follow reality again.

>> No.18727975

>>18727866
>freaks out about likes
>is also retarded, betting against America, and probably very poor
Every.
Damn.
Time.

>> No.18727980

>>18727966
So your going to wait 4 years?

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>>18727966
Good luck

>> No.18728010

Hello I possess 5k€, how do i turn those into 0€ as fast as possible ?

>> No.18728019

>>18728010
Buy oil/USO

>> No.18728027

>>18728010
Give it to me

>> No.18728038

>>18728010
Buy USO

wait no, long USO with leverage

>> No.18728039

if sp500 hits 2950 my short warrant knockout is reached and i lose $125k
it was $195k a few days ago but i was kinda asleep and forgot about it so i didn't take it out
still not taking it out, this rally is retarded and i won't buy back in

>> No.18728047

>>18728010
Buy the newest hot shitcoin on the market - oil

>> No.18728059

>>18728039
Pics or didnt happen

>> No.18728061

>>18727876
>The real boobs [...] rake in profit
Holy Fuck hahahahahahahaHAHAHAHHAHAHhahahahaha
>this nigga uses "bobo" and "profit" in the same sentence
BHAHAwanhahahahaha

>> No.18728072

>>18727940
pic would be even funnier if all but one of the hands were black

>> No.18728076
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18728076

Is it too late to play tankers?

>> No.18728078

>>18727876
Bears have eaten shit daily for weeks now.

>> No.18728081

>>18728061
are you implying shorting oil this week wouldnt have made a big profit?

>> No.18728084

>>18728059
pic of what? it's just a number on the screen on my broker website

>> No.18728085

>>18728081
Plenty of profit in shorting but /smg/ bobos are too timid and cucked. They'd never have the balls to pull the trigger

>> No.18728089

Rate my portfolio:

USO
SQQQ
SNSS
BA
IAS
ONTX
GALT
AMC

>> No.18728113

Just bought 100k worth of USO. Did I do good?

>> No.18728127

>>18728113
We just don't know
Anything can happen in this clown market

>> No.18728133

>>18728089
based. Can't wait for the loss porn
>nb4 go back

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18728135

>>18728084
take a screenshot of that number on the screen

>> No.18728136

>>18728113
Yes, the reverse split will increase the value of your shares greatly. Buy 100 shares and did covered calls.

>> No.18728143

>>18728133
kek
>>18728127
no

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>>18728133
we don't post losses here. we just go quiet until we get a green line and then pretend we were green the whole time.
feels good

>> No.18728146

>>18728135
>wanting to see screenshots of a sim account

>> No.18728149

LMT is dipping for anyone that wants to watch and grab some.

>> No.18728160

>>18728135
you know i can just press f12 and edit that number in a few seconds
why does it matter

>> No.18728170

>>18727951
Taxpayers love to pay them. Very good company, very nice stuff.

>> No.18728173

>>18728136
Also forgot, you can do calls on USOI for max gains.

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18728175

>>18727966
why stay cash tho? Cash is kinda trash, buy bonds and gold

>> No.18728184

>>18728160
okay so you're lying.
got it

>> No.18728190

>>18728175
>buy bonds
I don't think bonds have ever been more trash than they are now. Basically the digital equivalent of putting your money in a mattress.

>> No.18728197

>>18728190
I posted a pic literally proving the opposite

>> No.18728205

1 minute oil chart starts looking good

time to buy guys, you still have maybe 20 minutes left at this cheap price: chance of a lifetime

>> No.18728211

>>18728205
why?

>> No.18728212
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18728212

>>18727945
>muh everything bubble
>muh imaginary pure fundamentals market

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>>18728205
USOldiers go go go

>> No.18728217

>>18728205
:^)

>> No.18728220

>>18728211
He's being sarcastic, I hope, if oil drops 50 more cents it will be negative minutes later.

>> No.18728223

>>18728010
How much is a Tesla put right now?

>> No.18728228

>>18728205
ur tgt?
>>18728220
I dont see catalyst for negative today but man that would be fun after USO r/s

>> No.18728233

>>18728133
go back

>> No.18728242

>>18727945
Here's the real redpill:
Ever since QE jew magic started in the 90s, the market has been increasingly decoupled from any underlying economic signals. GDP? Nope. Unemployment? Nope. Predictive? Nope.
You know what tracks the major indices VERY well? Inflation. The entire "crash" was temporary deflation before Jerome dumped infinite inflation to counteract any deflation. And they will do this every time form this point forward.
Stocks are the only asset that tracks and beats inflation now.

>> No.18728244

>>18728228
There isn't an analyst alive right now worth their salt not calling for negative prices once $10 breaks.

>> No.18728245

>>18728220
>>18728228
one trump tweet and this thing goes ballistic again,

>> No.18728254
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>>18727880
Free market. Fucking lol.

>> No.18728255

>HSBC’s first-quarter profits drop by nearly half as coronavirus hits
>The bank, Europe’s largest by assets, said its pre-tax profit fell 48% year-over-year to $3.23 billion in the first quarter of 2020, below an average analyst forecast of $3.67 billion.

LuL

>> No.18728256

>>18728205
lol he was right aktschually

>> No.18728257

>>18728228

I'm in LOIL.MI + 100 contracts CFD

>> No.18728266

>tfw only invested 40% during the bottom and it's up 20% but I'm still sitting on the remaining 60% getting eaten by inflation
what do I do

>> No.18728270

>>18728266
If you're too scared to buy anything just sell puts at the price points you actually would buy at. If it goes up you get free premium, if it goes down you get paid to buy the dip

>> No.18728271

>>18728205
what the fuck how

>> No.18728272

>>18728266
Which inflation? We are in a deflational phase right now. Are you dumb?

>> No.18728279

>WTI plunged 25% on Monday, slumped another 20% overnight to $10/bbl, and there is still 20 days to go until the June settlement date.

RIP margin degenerates

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>>18728244
analysts also told me SP will go to 3500 not 2800. They also told me US GDP will be about 3%
>>18728245
Remember, it's not Trump tweet that caused ballistic move, its picrel. The amount of jewery in market nowadays is astonishing
This thing actually wiped my pos

>> No.18728282

>>18728242
And this is why no one is stupid to sell rn.

>> No.18728285

>>18728270
>options
lol no thanks
>>18728272
lol

>> No.18728287

>>18728255
People buying into banks now are the biggest gamblers. All of them are doing extremely bad and have been doing so since the last crisis. With "banks" I mean European systemic banks in this case.

>> No.18728298

>>18728285
>>options
>lol no thanks
You're not buying you're selling. The odds are by far in your favor and since you want to buy anyway even if you get assigned you win.
But you do you

>> No.18728300

>>18728242
>Stocks are the only asset that tracks and beats inflation now.
not only wrong and factually incorrect but also retarded

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>>18727576

For the baboon complaining about the market going up, "it makes no fuckin sense", do you realize how much they actually injected in few weeks?

>> No.18728322
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18728322

HELL IS COMING

>> No.18728326
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18728326

why are future pumping so hard right now ?

>> No.18728330
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18728330

>tfw NIO chad
comfy

>> No.18728339

>>18728270
Would you buy a call

>> No.18728342

>>18728326
Why not? Back to normal. Unemployment at 0. All business reopening. Earnings will be good and social distancing is cancelled. Airports open tomorrow and tourism is kicking in a few days.

>> No.18728345

>>18728326
last pump day before 20% of the S&P 500 post up Draymond without the good players numbers this week

>> No.18728347

It's a crab day

>> No.18728363
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18728363

ALL IN APPLE PUTS YOLO :DDDDD

>> No.18728365

>>18728300
Treasury bonds are literally worse than bank deposit rates. High yields have been bought out by Jerome. Banks are tightening money lending requirements for residential and commerical real estate. Small businesses are bleeding dry. Gold has literally never paid off for someone hedging against their own currency.

>> No.18728367

>>18728322
I am creaming for AMD I LOVE THIS STOCK I WISH THEY GAVE DIVS!! FUCK INTEL

>> No.18728373

>>18728339
Well sure I would in my situation if I were really bullish on something or wanted to do some kind of spread but the situation articulated by the guy I responded to is different from my own so I wouldn't suggest he buy calls

>> No.18728380

>>18728367
AMD WILL have good earnings. I feel it.

>> No.18728382

Oil is literally dead until 2021. May as well put it all on lean hog.

>> No.18728384

>>18728322
Add Shell to the 30th
>On Thursday April 30, 2020 at 07:00 BST (08:00 CEST and 02:00 EDT) Royal Dutch Shell plc will release its first quarter results and first interim dividend announcement for 2020.

>> No.18728386

-90% in my may puts for fucks sake
why is the market pumping so hard on all this terrible news

>> No.18728390

>>18728386
See
>>18728242

>> No.18728392

Saudi's sovereign wealth fund bought stakes in cruise lines, european oil companies, and Live Nation. Do they get their investment ideas from /biz/?

>> No.18728396

>>18728384
>BP’s net profit slides 67% in the first quarter following a historic fall in oil prices

>> No.18728402

>>18728365
>Treasury bonds are literally worse than bank deposit rates.
Yet TLT made me more money than SPY. How come?
>High yields have been bought out by Jerome. Banks are tightening money lending requirements for residential and commerical real estate. Small businesses are bleeding dry.
And that's relevant to stocks outperforming rest of assets in your mind? Charts still say you're full of shit
>Gold has literally never paid off for someone hedging against their own currency.
Now please explain why did Gold made me more in 2020 than SPX then

If you want to argue your nonsense bring some numbers pls thx

>> No.18728403

>>18728367
You’re gonna get some cheapies soon

>> No.18728404

>>18728392
There is some Saudi prince who is a giant fucking weeb so it's actually possible

>> No.18728405

>>18728392
They're a bunch of idiots. They're the ones that bought Uber@40+ and sold Tesla last year.

>> No.18728406

>>18728373
I mean if he wants to grab something that slowly rises, he could grab itm call and get money and if it sinks he can grab them at that price. I guess it all depends on the company.

>> No.18728414

Alright recession cancelled I guess

>> No.18728416

What are your thoughts on the automanufacturing company tesla?

>> No.18728422

>>18728416
I would say ask r/wsb

>> No.18728430

>>18728404
The same dude that ordered the journalist be bonesawed. MbS.

>> No.18728433

>>18728392
>>18728405
idk cruises are cheap if they can weather they would be good gains.

>> No.18728437

>>18728433
You can do better. Not worth the time or risk imo.

>> No.18728442

>>18728402
>Now please explain why did Gold made me more in 2020 than SPX then
Gold is rock bitcoin. You are welcome to find any point in history when a person could use gold to weather their currency becoming useless.
It still remains a bet that your currency will be worthless, that the country will be able to fix what caused that, and then be able to hop back in with your boomer rocks. Maybe during the great depression but the governments there literally just devalued the gold by fiat anyway.
>Yet TLT made me more money than SPY. How come?
Zoom out

>> No.18728443

>>18728076
You can still buy and get what is likely to be a big fat dividend, but the upside beyond that will be limited.

>> No.18728447

so whos shorting USO after this reverse split? all these retail investors saying this is the bottom
KEK

>> No.18728454

Oil is fucking insane, dumping and pumping nothing short of +10% nearly everyday

its already near green lmao

>> No.18728460

O-oil bros?

>> No.18728462

>>18728447
USO to 0

>> No.18728472

>>18728214
>>18728205
>USO
Imagine paying someone else to trade futures contracts for you. Buy actual oil stocks you tards.

>> No.18728478

>>18728460
WHY YES I AM AN OIL TANKER BRO. WHY THE FUCK IS FRO SO SLOW I WANT MORE GAINS LIKE NAT

>> No.18728486

>>18728478
are you very upset?

>> No.18728493

>>18728486
not really, just sad it is slow and my gain from nate are keeping fro slows afloat

>> No.18728507

>>18728493
well, you see how weird the market is behaving these months. It might be a longer investment than you might want it to be

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>>18728396
Still up 1.7% today

>> No.18728512

What the actual fuck is this Clown market!? is S&P unironically gonna hit 3000? My shorts are down 25% today... FUCK

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>>18728442
>ooga booga rock
NUMBERS PLEASE!
I'll give you mine. Gold has been pure bull for me, since mid 2018 it made roughly 38% return.
>It still remains a bet that your currency will be worthless,
You are assuming it is not yet, and frankly I dont care if it is becasue gold price is saying something.
>Zoom out
I did : >>18728175
I'd made 50% more not holding any stonks
And finally, again, after you provided no stats to back your statement, here is mine:
>You are welcome to find any point in history when a person could use gold to weather their currency becoming useless.
If you were to buy Gold in 2006 before shitshow began just like I did in 2018 before shishow we're experiencing began.
In 12 years (thats more than 10), you are outperforming SPX by 100% (thats a big number) and hedging currency by 200% (thats another big number)

>> No.18728518

>>18728478
Relax FRO has the better divvy

>> No.18728519

>>18728443
I have dividend withholding tax but dividends dont add to my income tax

>> No.18728527
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What a time to be alive.

>> No.18728532
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Oil cow pattern confirmed

>> No.18728538

>>18728532
Classic 4 nipple udder pattern. We all know what that means.

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Lean hogs are such a comfy investment

>> No.18728543

>short
RIP
>puts
RIP
>bobo
RIP
Accept defeat bobo

>> No.18728555
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come back cheapies........

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>>18728512
>he didn't sell the top at 29k
>he didn't buy the dip at 18k
Y I K E S

>> No.18728579
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Why are bulls so fucking delusional? Macy's

>> No.18728583

https://twitter.com/lizsly/status/1254889038869409793?s=21

bullish

>> No.18728587

>>18728539
I can finally invest in something I believe in.

>> No.18728605

>>18728579
I work for Macy's we're absolutely fucked.

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>>18728583
those people are white.

>> No.18728610

>>18728583
Good for the economy. You can rebuild, profit from new business etc. Very bullish. Maybe even intervene with war.

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Eagle stance

>> No.18728623

>>18728579
if you read this and think there isnt gonna be a second wave, youre delusional, people are so stupid you wouldnt believe

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>>18727880
You sound like a safe-space liberal. Yes markets crashing harder than 1930s is good and desirable. People going out of business is natural and necessary. Creditors losing their entire principal happens, and when it happens the creditor is supposed to just shoulder the loss not go crying to the closest politician to bail him out with taxpayers money.

Not that any of the current circus is funded by taxpayers money, it is all 100% being printed. the US managed to increase the national debt by more than 1 trillion in a single month. The US national debt didnt even hit 1 trillion until Reagan!

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Now even if I were to be as blind as our nostats nonumbers bull over here and I'd say "ye but what about 20Y returns" (which is a dumb statent in ever changing market). I would be better off buying fucking oil instead of stonks. theres only so little places where I can lose more than stocks IF I dont cover 400% gain pre 08 on changing economic conditions, then dont cover 300% gain in 2014.
>>18728579
It's good to be bull where it actually makes sense
Honestly I have big shortage of longs rn... Like I want to go long something spicy something new. But theres literally nothign good except maybe euro banks

>> No.18728657

>>18728623
Everybody’s already had this weak ass flu.

Paid shills working overtime trying to keep us afraid and locked down for no reason whatsoever.

It is common knowledge at this point that we never should have been locked down in the first place.

>> No.18728659

>>18728657
>Everybody
sure thing buddy

>> No.18728663

how do I short the market?

>> No.18728669

How hard is it to beat SPY?

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>>18728663
You don't

>> No.18728677

>>18728657
I live in NYC, the epicenter of all this, and I think that this disease has been here since at least Thanksgiving. It's real and dangerous, but definitely being overstated.

>> No.18728679

>>18728657
>It is common knowledge at this point that we never should have been locked down in the first place.
whole globe is proving the opposite but ok

>> No.18728696

>>18728386
Your stop loss on puts should be 10% or less. It is literally impossible for you to get that money back unless the market flash crashes down to the march low, which is pure fantasy.

>> No.18728699

>>18728386
>all this terrible news
What terrible news?

Work from home boosting productivity. Less polution, no cummintg time wasted, useless services terminated, useless traveling too.

This is peak productivity. Bullish.

>> No.18728702

Fuck this bear bullshit I was long and finally bought a $SPY 286 5/8 put yesterday never doing that shit again sell at open. All the bears are being influenced by reddit fags and the MSM thinking the market should be crashing when in fact you see the best market returns during what seems like bad times on main street

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>>18728669
this hard

>> No.18728718

>>18728380
>AMD WILL have good earnings. I feel it.
Yeah, but their forecasts will be vage so price will drop on after-hours.

>> No.18728725

i want to short deutsche post
tell me how do I

>> No.18728726

NAT has jumped up 86% in the past 3 months, is it too late to board the rocketship?

>> No.18728728

>>18728652
Europe is on the verge of a debt crisis which will make 2008 and 2015 look like a cakewalk. The banks are going to need a baillout again and its going to be a spectacular shitshow. I wouldn't invest in European banks now, their stock has been valued far beneath intrinsic value for a decade now because of all the shit they have hidden on their balances.

>> No.18728732

>>18728713
Based leveraged ETF bro

>> No.18728742

>>18728726
I don't think so but I am getting very worried because I see on twitter people are hopping on $NAT, I have some $10 June calls I might unload soon...seems to be becoming too popular of a position

>> No.18728743
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ello frens. SOXL is the answer. Face it. Semiconductors are crack in all but name. The desire for newer, faster, more is insatiable. Computers, GPUs, self-driving electric cars, AI enhanced smartphones, medical devices, microcontrollers, networking gear, machine learning, surveillance, infrastructure, military, the list is endless. No matter how many cores, how fast or efficient, demand requires bigger, faster, cheaper, better. The clamor for fresh silicon gives nary shit for national identity, creed, hue, gender or other vain conceit; the multitude speaks in singular. The plea: semiconductor.
SOXL couples a single ETF entry point with the the best companies the space has to offer then pushes these already stellar returns to the limit with 3x leverage. With SOXL your economic interests are aligned with hardware powerhouses TSM, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Intel, Broadcom, AMD, Micron, Texas Instruments, Applied Materials, et al. Real tech companies with innovative products people want, not """tech""" """companies""" pushing shitty ads. And like all leveraged ETFs, SOXL is rebalanced daily, deftly mitigating margin risks.
In the last 7 years, barring the coronavirus interruption, SOXL has exploded over 55x yet still we are early. Semiconductor growth will proceed exponentially until every viable space is saturated with it. This is a fait accompli; the sheer number of interested parties and compelling outcomes make it so. The injection of increasingly compact and efficient sensors, microcontrollers, information processing and storage into everywhere and everything will be this era's seminal revolution, an economic revolution with SOXL holders planted firmly at the receiving end.
Stop waiting for more "pullback". The crash was a gift and fretting over the exact bottom is meaningless. Deliberation is over; waiting.. is a failure mode. Now. Buy it now.

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>>18727576
anons I feel like regardless of if I keep USD, buy shitcoins, buy big coins, or buy stocks that everything is fucked either way so it hardly matters

>> No.18728768
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credit spreads between corp and tbills still significantly above baseline

anyone worried the fed have only served to give institutions time to slowly unwind risk so they don't flatten everything on the way out? There's clearly worry

whats wrong with my assumptions here?

>> No.18728770

>>18728728
>The banks are going to need a baillout again and its going to be a spectacular shitshow.
thats exactly why EU banks is only speculative long I can think of rn. It's not an "everything will be good" play, it's "everything will be so shit CB will be heavily involved play". Have you seen the charts? theyre already pretty fucking dead iuam.

>> No.18728772

>>18728743
Yeah I’m thinking based

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AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

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>>18728743
henlo
Ya. No thanks.

>> No.18728796

just woke up, what the fuck happened?
why did oil jump suddenly with SPY?

>> No.18728799

>>18728322
This is going to be nothing. But the Q2 earnings will be a real bloodbath.

>> No.18728804

>>18728796
We’re going to war

>> No.18728806

>>18728779
Fuck Wirescam

>> No.18728808

>>18728770
They might clean up the balances this time meaning the banks finally have a fresh start. But I doubt they will have the mandate for this. Especially since the banks are going to fall over after Corona.

I really don't know what to invest in either. I am sitting on 4k euro cash now and don't feel comfortable getting in now. One of my normie friends started buying SP500 ETF's since 2 months and is making steady gains in this clownmarket. I keep warning him that the first is yet to come but in the meantime I am sitting here on a useless pile of cash. Can't short because of the clown market and can't go long safely (my strategy involves going long on cheap boomer stocks and sit it out getting divvy and steady gains) because the dump is about to happen (I say for the third week now).

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>>18728795
>I hate money

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I've took my 20k to 0$ but I'll recover!

>> No.18728825

>>18728808
Sold shell friday against a small profit but they have been gaining steadily today. Goddammit could have walked away with a nice profit if I sold today.

Go down fuckers!

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>>18728799
Priced in

>> No.18728827

>>18728609
Phoenicians are master race.

>> No.18728830

>>18728825
No, you need to learn to hold

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>>18728825
>he sold when oil was on its arse

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>>18728812
dumb question but is SPXL safe to go nearly all in on? Never heard of a ETF with 3x shares

>> No.18728854

>>18728841
Expecting it to go harder on its ass this week.

>> No.18728867

>>18728808
yeah, as I said here
>>18728300
>>18728365
>>18728402
>>18728442
>>18728517
bonds and gold are boring but only good play so far.
With regards to banks we shall see, to me it's just obvious we need banks, theyre veins of our econ pumping money through system and I am of the believe we will be protecting them at any cost. I mean if DB can still somehow be alive then idk what must happen to break some other EU bros

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Is this worth anything? Line supposed to down.

>> No.18728878

>>18727725
you can Google it I'm not going to look up the article but Japan PM Abe just today said that they were going to approve it for treatment.

>> No.18728884

>>18728806
Cheapies

>> No.18728891

>>18728875
What kind of asshole dipshit retard would have their charts setup like this

>> No.18728907

People on WSB are buying AMD calls, huge sell indicator, time for puts

>> No.18728914
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Who else all in on TSX?

>> No.18728916

>>18728907
whats their opinion on oil, do they still buy USO

>> No.18728927

>>18728914
The weatherman. This dude lives hundreds of miles away and does the weather for my hometown.

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>>18728891
Better?

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Explain the tanker meme to me like I'm a brainlet.

>> No.18728934

>>18728907
This one time I bet it's gonna moon like hell because there is no god

>> No.18728937
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>>18728850
>is SPXL safe to go nearly all in on?
Not a dumb question at all and yes there are some risks to consider. There's the issue of volatility decay which means in a highly volatile environment the leveraged ETF will tend to perform under expectations. It's less of an issue with index and sector based stuff but leveraged commodity based ETFs should never be held long term. SPXL shouldn't be a problem though. The second issue is should SPY drop more than 33% in a day there is the risk of SPXL being liquidated however note that since the NYSE started this has never happened where the broad index dropped that much and now we have circuit breakers so it's even less likely.
My suggestion is to go half in SPXL and half in TMF the leveraged treasury ETF that way if stocks take a shit you have a chance of still making money on bonds and vice versa. Just rebalance periodically.
Also, here's some pasta I wrote a while back on the subject, the numbers have changed but the point stands:
SSO is a 2x leveraged ETF based on the S&P 500 and it is one of the few leveraged ETFs that existed before the Great Financial Crisis of 2008. Had you bought SSO at the literal top of the market before the recession in October 2007, as of this moment, you would have gains of 176%. Had you bought the underlying SPY on the same day you would have gains of 98%. So had you bought the leveraged ETF, even at the worst possible time, you still would have ended up with almost double the gains.
Remember this the next time somebody throws shade on leveraged ETFs because of volatility decay. Buy the index based leveraged ETFs and win. Simple as that. And start buying now. Coronavirus could be as bad as the GFC and if you start buying in now with a little money and buy in more later as the prices drop you will still come out much better in the long run than buying SPY or worse doing nothing at all. I'm buying and I'll be here when this thing is over to brag about my gains.

>> No.18728941

>>18728850
It goes down 3x too. Other cool 3x ETFs are SOXL and LABU for 3x semis and biotech.

>> No.18728942

>>18728916
They’re selling their USO and buying SPY 300calls

>> No.18728946

>>18728916
The smart ones never bought USO, only faggots who like losing money. USO is dead.

It doesn't even track month futures anymore.

If you want make money off oil but MRO, XOM, and RDS/b. Might not hurt to wait until after earnings.

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>>18728702
its an army of literal retards who are propping the market up

>> No.18728956

>>18728946
i know, i was looking to inverse whatever they are doing

>> No.18728958

>>18728937
thank you so much for this post. appreciate it and will put a good amount in

>> No.18728961

>>18728933
lot of oil , too much oil, no storage, tankers can be used as storage. tankers are used to move oil to storage that is full, tanked get payed per day by contract, tankers are used to move oil when super cheap. not enough tankers, demand for tankers for oil up.

>> No.18728963

>>18728946
if you want to make money off oil, just buy fucking oil. if you arent buying barrels of oil directly on futures trading you arent betting on oil.

>> No.18728976

>>18728937
so why not leverage 10x?

>> No.18728982

>>18728039
How are you still alive anon and not comitting suicide already

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>>18728947
>retards
t. genius who shorted the retards and lost all his money

>> No.18728993

>>18728963
Yep and then enjoy paying $40 to whoever takes the contract off your hand when your dumb ass runs out of time.

You should kill yourself.

>> No.18728998

>>18728976
I read an article a while back that made a mathematical case that there's a curve kind of like the Laffer curve when it comes to finding the sweet spot for leveraged ETFs in the long term. I think the upshot was 2.5x is the best place to be then 3x second best and 2x third best. After 3x the gains drop off due to the increased need to rebalance and below 2x it drops off due to too little leverage. 10x would probably underperform 1x

>> No.18729010

I wonder how many anons ITT are just LARPing paper traders.......

>> No.18729013

>>18728991
He got greedy. As he said...he was 450k at one point, take out your initial investment and gamble with the rest.

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>>18729010
Look at them digits b**** boy

>> No.18729024

>>18728961
any decent tanker companies worth investing in?

>> No.18729033

>>18728991
>>18729013
>you always asleep when the market opens.

>> No.18729041

>>18728322
Priced the fuck in. Earnings are just companies reporting what we already expect.

>> No.18729043

>>18728998
I buy that, reminds me of kelly criterion. if stock prices are a random walk with drift its a bit like plugging a coin flip into it and your optimal bet sizing comes out about an 8th of your stack surprsingly

>> No.18729055

>>18728961
Also penalty fees and rates.

>> No.18729056

>Caterpillar says first-quarter sales decline 21%, does not give 2020 outlook because of pandemic
They are right. They will somehow sell 21% more in the other quarters. Q2 will be another decline of 30%, but they will sell 30% and 21% in Q3 and Q4. Oh wait Q3 and Q4 might be a seasonal drop and client confidence isn't back yet. Maybe in 2021 then.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/caterpillar-cat-earnings-q1-2020.html

>> No.18729063

>>18729023
I'm curious, what did you invest in?

>> No.18729077

>>18728076
Judging by the dozen or so oil tankers I can see floating out in the bay here. I'd say that companies specializing in oil storage are going to have a busy year. I can see prices still increasing.

>> No.18729079

>>18729056
fuck my dad works for a cat sub.

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>>18728937
>It's less of an issue with index and sector based stuff but leveraged commodity based ETFs should never be held long term
That's not true. The only advantage the index etf has to commodity etfs in term of vol decay is that the index is probably not quite as volatile. Commodity etfs look fugly because the underlying is mostly in contango.
Had you bought my reverse engineered 3x spy etf(without fees) at the 2007 top you would have only broken even in 2017 and would have been red on the last dip, compared to vanilla spy's breakeven in 2013 and still massively green in the last dip.
Buying 3x for a long term hold in the current situation is quite stupid when you're just a noob.

>> No.18729090

>>18728699
>no cummintg time wasted
coomers can jack off all day now though?

>> No.18729100

>>18729056
Bullish AF. Stock is already up by 1.5% in premarket.

>> No.18729103

>>18729090
Peak productivity

>> No.18729104

>>18729079
All good. Worst that could happen to Caterpillar is a bail out. So nothing to worry about.

>> No.18729112

>>18729104
This is such a fucked up mentality.

>> No.18729115

>>18729100
Yeah. Stock holders are looking in the future. They are smart and clever.

>> No.18729124

>>18728947
the entire army of retards does not even have enough cash to match 1 institutional

instis have nowehere else to go, cause everythings shit, so they are in this market

>> No.18729125

>>18728812
yes they hate money and will tell you why the market should be down at 4pm EST time today like every day for the past month.

>> No.18729130

>>18729063
It's all in oil this is just a meme portfolio I bought on the dip XOM, MRO, RDS/b, and for whatever reason one share of six flags.

Hopefully it will skyrocket in a couple quarters.

My actual money is dumped into REITs that dipped, and ETFs based on total market Fidelity.

>> No.18729144

Should I just say fuck it and sell my shares of OXY while it's not at too much of a net loss?

>> No.18729149
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>tfw sold shorts on oil before the pump

I would literally be fucking dead right now holy fuck. Close call.

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>>18728976
10x

>> No.18729160

>>18729149
lol me too

gotta thank that anon and his hindsight

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>>18729010
Did a couple grand on that futures pump last night. Not sim
>>18729087
>Had you bought my reverse engineered 3x spy etf(without fees) at the 2007 top you would have only broken even in 2017 and would have been red on the last dip, compared to vanilla spy's breakeven in 2013 and still massively green in the last dip.
>Buying 3x for a long term hold in the current situation is quite stupid when you're just a noob.
There were no 3x index ETFs at the 2007 top and even there had been what kind of "noob" is going to just go all in at once rather than DCAing over a long period of time like 99% of long term investors do. Rerun your simulation a little more realistically. As far as simulations go, triple leveraged index ETFs have been simulated over the last 150 years through the depression, black monday, the dot crash, the GFC, etc. taking into account volatility, fees, slippage, the whole bit and have delivered gains orders of magnitude greater than SPY.
>>18729125
It's beautiful

>> No.18729164

I got 3k to gamble, what’s a good move boys ?

>> No.18729167

>>18729149
What pump?

>> No.18729177

>>18729164
By MRO uninstall your trading app and then in 6 months go take a look at it.

>> No.18729179

>>18729149
How leveraged are you that a $2 swing would wipe you out? How much are you trading with? Which contracts?

>> No.18729180

>>18728850
>SPXL safe
see >>18728713

keep it for very shot duration or very long and be careful of reverse splits

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>not going for chinese tankers instead
china has so much more to gain for the oil glut

>> No.18729194

>>18729164
give it a bit, wait for oil to drop again (it's going to, supply isn't up yet) and invest on that, iirc Italy should be coming out of lockdown next week or so

>> No.18729207

>>18729179
it was like 12% move so yeah im short with x8

>> No.18729219

>>18729194
*demand
my b

>> No.18729221

>>18728961
B-but we were going to run out by 2030

>> No.18729228

>>18729112
>id: pays

>> No.18729244

$NAT putting up some nice candles

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Still trying to figure this options shit out so I just went ahead and bought some for cheap to I can see how it shakes out.

>http://opcalc.com/6Zj

If I'm reading this chart correctly, I should be able to have a return of $65 if CCL hits $14 today, right?

>> No.18729297

>>18728512
you're the clown

>> No.18729318

>>18729263
You need to study up on the greeks. At a minimum know that for every dollar the underlying (CCL) goes up the option will go up by delta. So look at the delta for your option and look at the current price of CCL and do the math of where CCL's price needs to be for your option to give you that 65 gain. Once you study delta check gamma which is how much delta increases by. Then vega and theta both very important and rho to a much lesser extent. Delta will give you the quickest answer to your question though

>> No.18729336

>>18729163
>There were no 3x index ETFs at the 2007 top
Irrelevant. There are now. I just made one to see how it performs.
>what kind of "noob" is going to just go all in
The anons that read your pasta.
>Rerun your simulation a little more realistically
It's two lines in tradingview. Mine is even without fees and slippage. In reality it will perform even worse.
>triple leveraged index ETFs have been simulated over the last 150 years through the depression, black monday, the dot crash, the GFC, etc. taking into account volatility, fees, slippage, the whole bit and have delivered gains orders of magnitude greater than SPY.
Yeah, from time of inception not from market or near market highs. You also don't know how spy will perform in the future. Your strategy wouldn't work on Nikkei at all. The gains also don't mean anything without volatility to set the gains in relation to. The gain/volatility ratio is really fugly
for 3x etfs. I'm not trying to shit talk 3x etfs here. I'm just saying that they aren't free money especially not in that way in which you shill them here.

>> No.18729356
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So I have some USO, pic related
not puts or calls, actual USO
these numbers mean $150 loss, should I just close it now?

ye I was retarded

>> No.18729365

>>18729318
Is the main advantage to reading greeks being able to quickly compare options without going through the actual calculation?

Higher Delta = higher return per dollar regardless of the actual dollars involved

Is it not sufficient to just plug stuff in to the calculator? I guess it would be faster to be able to just glance at the greeks right

>> No.18729375

>>18729356
Yes, you fell for a meme. It's probably going to go to zero.

>> No.18729379

>>18729356
cut losses and try again
imo, wait a little bit for oil to start going up and USO will follow

>> No.18729392

>>18729379
devilish

>> No.18729400

>>18729356
It's not a loss until you sell bro

>> No.18729408

>>18729356
na, buy the dip bro, literally cannot go tits up

>> No.18729411
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>a virus that kills niggers, fat people and the elderly

Why haven't you gone all in anon (and shorted niggers, fat people and elderly)?

>> No.18729412

Oh well just sitting back sipping my coffee just not caring about much of nothing. Enjoying my "time off" while I can cause its a good bet come sometime in may or first of june I'll have to go back in full time.

>> No.18729413

>>18729392
I already burnt myself on buying USO way too early so I'm gonna follow my own advice for a change

>>18729400
checked and based

>> No.18729417

>>18729318
>>18729365
Even easier there is https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com/calculator/long-put.html
>>18729336
>It's two lines in tradingview. Mine is even without fees and slippage. In reality it will perform even worse.
The reality is nobody is going to dump their life savings into the ETF at the exact top, never add another dime, then pull it all out at the exact worst time. That's what you're not getting. Of course you can contrive hypothetical scenarios where you go into an investment at the worst time and lose money. Pro tip: don't do that. As simple as that. If you wanna throw down on SPXL then be smart about it. Put in a bit at a time so your entry is averaged out and like I said above put some into TMF so you have a healthy bond exposure. Alternatively, guess what, I can take any investment or stock you can come up with and give a scenario where you will lose money it doesn't mean shit.
And if you're that scared of a little risk then rerun your simulation with SSO which actually did exist at the top in 2007 and see how much more money you would have at this very moment vs. SPY. Hint: a lot despite this most recent dump.
>Your strategy wouldn't work on Nikkei at all
Japan has a lot of problems unique to themselves that has no bearing on this conversation.
>The gains also don't mean anything without volatility to set the gains in relation to. The gain/volatility ratio is really fugly
Oh, I get it. This is about """Modern""" """Portfolio""" """Theory""". The theory that posits a good blue chip stock like Coca Cola if it's trading at $100 today and suddenly dips to $80 is now more "risk". So the stock is on sale and it is more of a risk to buy it at $80 than it was at $100 yesterday even though the fundamentals haven't changed. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm done arguing about this cuz I see where you're coming from. Go back to class kid you're not ready to make money

>> No.18729418

i wonder how many of AMRNbros still holding from the november buyout mania

>> No.18729435

>>18729417
That's the calculator I was referring to. Thank you.
Now I just need to meme CCL up to like $16 today.

>> No.18729443
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18729443

>gonna be up another 2% today
>raining
>first cup of coffee
these days are the comfiest

>> No.18729444

anyone saw the Citron report on INO?
>PT $1

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>>18729164
Buy and hold banks with good price/book and p/e. They will moon once this common cold virus hysteria is over.

>> No.18729467

Will oil go negative again?

>> No.18729475

>>18729418
Not me, I sold at a profit before the legal stuff blew up.

>> No.18729479

>>18729467
Yes

>> No.18729484

I think $LUV is a buy here, its a popular take but I think it is... lower than expected cash burn, raising capitol, and they are mainly a domestic airline. People are going to be doing a lot of domestic travel when this is all over, I don't think international flights will return for awhile.

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>> No.18729506

Ok so puts are a way to win money when a stock goes down?

>> No.18729507

>>18729484
Even assuming that's true, what makes you think other carriers won't simply increase domestic routes to meet such demand shift?

>> No.18729513

>Argentina bans all commercial flights until September 1 in response to coronavirus pandemic

I think the 20% GDP drop estimated by some countries will be demolished.

>> No.18729521

>>18729484
margins is everything

>> No.18729543

>NAT
>DHT
BSSED BASED BASED

>> No.18729552

>>18729443
Where morning threads always more serious? Or am I just noticing today walls of text about trading?

>> No.18729559

>>18727576
Are telephone and internet companies a good investment? I mean, people sit at home and have money to spend (for now) to buy frivolities like new phones with expensive plans. I bet a lot of people upped their internet speed leading to new revenue.

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>>18729513
>I think
I wouldn't go long on tourism but airlines are adapting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-poland-lot-idUSKCN22927K

>> No.18729569

>>18729559
Yes but look at P/E. Tech companies are often overpriced so wait for an inevitable dump.

>> No.18729617

So for the past two weeks, barring a few days, most of the market gains have been made by futures. During regular market hours we tend to see a lot of sideways movement with a slight up trend, but that trend is clearly outpaced by the early morning futures trading. Is this an institutional play? Are there any implications?

>> No.18729630

>>18728907
Have fun losing your money while reddit wins, as is tradition, dumb retarded newfag.

>> No.18729639

Russell 2000 is just doing the damn thing. Go small business fags go!

>> No.18729644

>>18729417
>Japan has a lot of problems unique to themselves that has no bearing on this conversation.
Oh I forgot, the usa are invincible. This could never happen, right?
>Oh, I get it. This is about """Modern""" """Portfolio""" """Theory"""
No no. This is about you shills always getting half the stuff wrong about the things you're shilling. I wouldn't even have bothered to reply if it wasn't for your commodity etf fuckup. And despite being btfo every single time you( the shills in general, not only you) post the same unchanged "arguments" again the next time. You're so exhausting.

>> No.18729649

>>18729645
>>18729645
>>18729645

new

>>18729645
>>18729645
>>18729645

>>18729645
>>18729645
>>18729645

>>18729645
>>18729645
>>18729645
thread

>> No.18729657

>>18729569
The one I am eyeballing has an P/E ratio (TTM) of 13.19 and EPS of 0.15. Honestly don't have the experience yet to immediately see if that is good/bad in the long or short term but I'll read into it some more.

>> No.18729664

>>18728804
WE ARE?
Nice, finally return on my war stocks

>> No.18729679

>>18729559
They're fairly stable if that's what you want. They're a utility, they'll never moon, but most pay ok dividends and aren't hit as hard in crashes.

>> No.18729681

>>18729657
>The one I am eyeballing has an P/E ratio (TTM) of 13.19
That seems good.
>Honestly don't have the experience yet to immediately see if that is good/bad in the long or short term but I'll read into it some more.
Yeah keep researching.

>> No.18729705

>>18728175
>>18728517
You're arguing with one of the
>TIME IN THE MARKET BRO
>JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT
types and you're not going to break that mentality. Might as well start a
>Credit_bad.jpg
and just shitpost

>> No.18729709

>>18729681
>>18729679
Thanks guys. i want some stable divvy stocks as the basis of my portfolio and then have some other stocks for more swingtrading. Sitting in cash now and want to get back in but as I am a bobo in my heart and expect the worst the coming weeks.

>> No.18729741

kek, so what if the oil industry is in a short term slump, MRO is still a far better play than some penny stock which can take a massive dump in an eye blink on no news at all. Or startup bio companies who have to navigate the FDA hoops of hell and pass before they can earn profit out the ass.

>> No.18729743

>>18729644
>Oh I forgot, the usa are invincible. This could never happen, right?
You're still making up hypothetical scenarios to fit your narrative. Get it through your head man this isn't Japan and Japanification ain't happening. Again, just making shit up doesn't argue your point cuz when you do that you control the ending and of course it goes the precise way that fits your argument. That doesn't make it real though.
>No no. This is about you shills always getting half the stuff wrong about the things you're shilling. I wouldn't even have bothered to reply if it wasn't for your commodity etf fuckup. And despite being btfo every single time you( the shills in general, not only you) post the same unchanged "arguments" again the next time. You're so exhausting.
You haven't proved your point at all. You did a simulation of a product that didn't exist when in your simulation the hypothetical investor would have bought it at the worst possible time which nobody does and would never have added anything unlike what real investors do every paycheck, and your guy just conveniently pulls his money out at just the wrong time which nobody in their right mind would advice an investor to do. And to top it off, I even said to go half in bonds to the original dude in this thread who was asking about SPXL so your example is flawed fundamentally multiple ways. You're wrong my guy. The only way you can argue your point is by curve fitting your model so precisely it's meaningless to any real world situation. You'll be a great researcher when you graduate

>> No.18729818

>>18728652
Jesus Christ the yeild on the 10 and 20 are shit.

>> No.18729819

>>18729741
I don't get the obsession with MRO on biz. There are other oil companies that deal in unconventional wells who have far better liquidity and have lost more value in the slump.

>> No.18729839

>>18729819
Like? Don't have MRO but do want to get into some oil action during the dips the coming years.

>> No.18729977

>>18729552
I had the pleasure of being up late enough for a night thread. There are a lot of fuck heads during the day.

>> No.18730128

>>18729977
There are no night/day threads, there are American and European threads.

>> No.18730508

>>18729839
COP