/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.17802564]

>capitalists standing in long lines to acquire basic necessities

apologize.

[Anonymous No.17802629]

>>17802564
>the supplies are actually on the shelves

I think you should be apologizing to millions of Ukrainians, Chinese, Venezuelans, and Cambodians.

We'll wait.

[Anonymous No.17802669]

>>17802564
Stores in socialist countries are getting sold out too you stupid nigger

[Anonymous No.17802674]

>>17802629
>npc slave defending his capitalist slavemaster

[Anonymous No.17802686]

>>17802564
hoarding is essentially a big fuck you to everyone else and i only care about myself

fuck all of you

[Anonymous No.17802688]

>>17802629
cuckboy cuckboy silly little cuckboy.

[Anonymous No.17802702]

>>17802564
does communism eliminate lines and just teleport goods into our homes?

[Anonymous No.17802703]

>capitalism during a national emergency is like regular socialism

[Anonymous No.17802705]

>>17802564
>Panic buying temporary shortage vs systematic long-term shortage caused by central planning
the sub-80 IQ /leftypol/ strikes again

[Anonymous No.17802722]

>no communists waiting in lines because they're dead

[Anonymous No.17802750]

>>17802722
That shelf seller looks well stocked to me.

[Anonymous No.17802768]

>>17802564
>a situation happening once a decade in capitalizt country is a daily occurence in marxist countries

[Anonymous No.17802772]

>>17802564
>write 1000 page book criticizing capitalism
>0 pages with any actual solution

No wonder he is the idol of the left

[Anonymous No.17802821]

>>17802564
>THEORINO LABORINO

[Anonymous No.17802886]

>>17802564
It's funny...

I forgot I hated communists until you guys recently started raising here again. If you ever crossed my mind, is dismiss you and your ideology with, "lol, losers".

But! I'm learning to actually want to hurt you again. Can't wait for November.

>if this is actually an anti-commie psyop, the planners are truly gifted and brilliant

[Anonymous No.17802940]

>>17802564
>Standing in long lines to acquire basic necessities
You're right, a communist system would have reached this state much faster. Have you never read any accounts of what life was like in the Red Guard, or for that matter as someone who wasn't working for the party?
"Oh boy, another ration of rice, with maybe a teaspoon of oil. Oh how I love the revolution"

[Anonymous No.17802946]

>>17802886
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.17803015]

>>17802564
Not standing in lines, not hoarding. Just laughing at poor fags who are.

[Anonymous No.17803032]

>>17802629
Kek they can’t reply to you seriously

[Anonymous No.17803049]

>>17802946
Green meme arrows can also be used for implying, or at least they could for the last 11 years anyways (maybe that's changed). I'm implying this thread is actually a /pol/ false flag. It's ok tho, I still hate commie transexuals.

[Anonymous No.17803053]

>>17802629
This closes the thread top lel

[Anonymous No.17803089]

>>17802940
if you don't think we could BIG think a way to solve the worlds problems and give freely to everyone with our technology and biggest brains cooming together you're a dumb pleb who beep beep touch coompewter key but don't know why work? heheheh duuuurrr hurppp !!! hehe11 I'M A SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR AND I AM ASS BLASTED BY YOUR IGNORANCE AND RETARDATION

[Anonymous No.17803127]

Anti "price gouging" laws increase scarcity and make it harder to purchase goods.

[Anonymous No.17803136]

>>17802750
A cunning trap for economic criminals. Anyone who buys a shelf, with the obvious intent of commiting anti-revolutionary retail commerce, will be reported to the police.

[Anonymous No.17803156]

>line go down
>now gibs me dat for free

[Anonymous No.17803157]

>>17803089
>I'M A SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR AND I AM ASS BLASTED
You should try carbon monoxide as a way to exiting this horrible reality.

[Anonymous No.17803179]

>>17802564
>every single "civilized" nation state has a central bank
>central bank literally one of the planks of the communist manifesto
>"capitalism"

[Anonymous No.17803184]

>>17803089
Kek

[Anonymous No.17803207]

>>17802821

[Anonymous No.17803241]

>>17802564
this is the exception
under you its the norm
apologize

[Anonymous No.17803750]

>>17802564
> be capitalism
> every day supermarket shelves are full
> so full that a lot of people are obese
> so obese that a lot of people can't even walk
> in a crisis situation everyone can still go home with 200 rolls of toilet paper

> be communism
> on a normal day shelves are empty
> so empty that food and other basic necessities have to be rationed
> in a crisis situation you either eat from the garbage or die of hunger

Yeah, I'll pick capitalism.
But thank you for stoping by.

[Anonymous No.17803776]

>>17802702
Marx dictates 1 roll per person per day. No man deserves 8 rolls of quilted northern.

[The Devil !!y9pM1O7kKh0 No.17803790]

>>17802946
Sam hyde.

[Anonymous No.17803824]

Speaking of which, what the hell is Venezuela going to do now that corona is hitting their country? They were already at 0, what's lower than 0?

[Anonymous No.17803828]

>>17803089
5/10 I laughed, but you lost me at BIG think

[Anonymous No.17803831]

>>17803750
>be capitalism
>die from disease because you can't afford medical care
>become homeless because you can't afford rent
>become fat because you can't afford healthy food
>become psychopathic because you must sacrifice others to get ahead
>work multiple jobs because the wages are too low

[Anonymous No.17803836]

None of these people are capitalists, they're what capitalists feed on.

[Anonymous No.17803859]

>>17802564
Except that's not because of capitalism, it's because of the government interfering in capitalism. The lines are because of anti-price gouging laws preventing the price from being raised high enough to meet demand, causing hoarding and lines, rather than people only buying as much as they needed as they would if their increased valuation of the product matched the increased price. If you value something ten times as much but the government prevents businesses from selling it at ten times the price, of course you'll take ten times as much off the shelf, and people will be rushing to the stores to get their fill before the store runs out. It has been proven that price controls and anti-gouging laws are the worst thing you can do in a disaster for the exact reason we are seeing play out before our eyes, and in fact the lines in communist countries were caused by fundamentally the same thing: the lack of a pricing mechanism that allowed prices to match true supply and demand. Socialism, whether in the form of communism or emergency market controls in a disaster, will never work because it can never find an efficient price, only a free market can. Read Hayek.

[Anonymous No.17803870]

>>17802564
commies coofing already

[Anonymous No.17804142]

>>17803831

You're talking about America, I presume. Capitalism exists in many other countries where virtually none of the things you listed happen.

In any case, not one of the things you listed is alleviated by communism. Many of them are made worse, if not in the same direction.
>Can't get medical care because there isn't enough of it and, if you can, it's 2nd world tier
>not homeless but you're crammed in a commie block with 1 bathroom per floor and the building falls down on your head after 30 miserable years
>become skinny because there isn't enough food and, every now and then, some locale suffers a mass starvation event due to brain-dead political ideology (google Lysenkoism)
>"sacrificing for others to get ahead" is literally the fundamental premise behind your shitty 100% failure rate framework
>make the same no matter what you do so why even try

You don't fool anyone. You will never be mentally or physically healthy. You will never be fit. You will never have real friends. You will never mend the broken relationships in your family. You will never have real power. Your dreams will never come true. You will never convince anyone here or anywhere or exert any influence. You will never find fulfilling work. You will never get off drugs.

I can go on.

[Anonymous No.17804162]

>>17802564
>People have demands to acquire basic necessities to live.

[Anonymous No.17804199]

>>17802564
HAHAHA IF YOU LOVE COMMUNISM SO MUCH GO TO VENEZUELA, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TOILET PAP...
wait.

[Anonymous No.17804223]

i hate communism but Marxposting is based and always make me lol

[Anonymous No.17804244]

>>17802564

Its actually because its not capitalist enough

> increase price of items
> increase production through labour in short term, reallocation of CAPITAL in the medium to long depending on the timeframe

Instead you have peoples bigoted assumptions about the price of these items when demand is 10x the production BUT BUT TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE **SHOULD** ONLY COST $X.XX PER ROLL

[Anonymous No.17804247]

>>17803207
I never thought I'd see such a beautifully pithy refutation of the labor theory of value. SMBC is truly le gem

[Anonymous No.17804259]

>>17802564
Keynesianism is not capitalism.

What in the fuck is free market about Central Banking?!?

Remember, Keynes wrote in the foreword to his General Theory: “[T]he theory of output as a whole, which is what the following book purports to provide, is much more easily adapted to the conditions of a totalitarian state, than is the theory of production and distribution of a given output produced under the conditions of free competition and a large measure of laissez-faire.”

Government controls the money supply. That's socialism. Socialism is causing another fucking crisis. Praise Marx.

[Anonymous No.17804283]

>be USSR
>have similar or better caloric intake through the 60-80s
> Capitalist suffer natural disasters and downturns like the USSR did
>shortages occur they occur communism or capitalism
...

>well us capitalist did way better can't even handle a virus!

[Anonymous No.17804304]

>>17804259
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.17804317]

>>17804259
>government controls money supply
>socialism

[Anonymous No.17804360]

>>17804259
based

[Anonymous No.17804532]

>>17803831
literally everything you said, with the exception of the "be fat" one, can be attributed to communism.

[Anonymous No.17804584]

>>17803859
Based

[Anonymous No.17804646]

>>17802629
fpbp, commies btfo yet again and always

[Anonymous No.17804647]

>>17803859
>stores suddenly raise price of toilet paper 10000%
>you can't afford toilet paper now and must wipe your ass with your hands

[Anonymous No.17804737]

>>17804259
>Keynesianism is not capitalism.
"bro capitalism is the lack of a state"

[Anonymous No.17804756]

>>17803859
this based

[Anonymous No.17804776]

>>17802564
Isnt that what happened for the entire duration of the soviet union?

[Anonymous No.17804793]

>>17803831
All of this except for getting fat is a lived reality, not an autistic basedcunt larp, in communist countries.

>be communist
>die from disease because the healthcare you were taxed for is reserved for persons favoured by the party
>become homeless because government bulldozed your village to build another gulag
>become skeletoid because you can't afford food.
>become psychotic because everyone is looking for any reason to sell you out as a traitor to the cause for party favour.
>work multiple administrative jobs measuring the hight of crops grown by the one local farmer because great nation needs your help, paid in stale bread if farmer is successfully punished for slacking.

[Anonymous No.17804823]

>>17802564
the money policy of the fed and ecb was indeed rather socialistic than capitalistic. we should have seen greece and italy leaving the euro temporarly, more businesses close instead of turning them into zombies, higher interest rates so banks and economies can operate in a environment that isn't toxic. the current interest rates make it nearly impossible to operate a bank without accumulating hilarious amounts of risk.

[Anonymous No.17804837]

Daily reminder: Angry online NEET Communists will always be losers and failures at life.

As they believe the markets are "rigged" against the people, they do not participate in the economy; they do not try to open a business or get a job because they believe "capitalism is rigged" so it's not worth trying. They are poor when the economy is good and they are destitute when the economy is bad. They are quietly seething when people are profiting in the market, but when the market recesses they rejoice believing that it’s somehow a proof that Communism is better.

Every morning they fall asleep in their damp mother's basement mattress, they dream that their SKY DADDY COMMUNISM will miraculously drop from the sky and perform miracles on their poor life decisions.

[Anonymous No.17804839]

>>17802564
"sometimes in a crisis, your economic model faces the scarcity ours does all the time" isn't the devastating own you think it is

[Anonymous No.17804845]

>>17804737

Capitalism refers to a system of organic emergent order. A scarce resource acting as money can, in a state of free competition, generate price information which efficiently guides a people's decision-making. Literally the original definition of economy. That which economises.

[Anonymous No.17804848]

>>17803790

[Anonymous No.17804852]

>>17803859
the reality is that the total supply and rate of production for TP actually exceeds the demand, given that even with this extreme buy pressure all of the stores are able to restock without issue. Capitalism is so successful in producing excess
toilet paper that an entire society can panic buy and there will still be more churned out at a constant rate. The real problem is the transfer medium, i.e. the store, has limited capacity.
>>17804259
>maximizing the liquidity of capital to facilitate maximal exchange is not capitalism
this is the most brainlet take

[Anonymous No.17804860]

>>17804647
so someone will always end up profiting from a situation like this.
why do you prefer that someone to be big corporations instead of normal people?
I thought you were all about helping the working average people.

[Anonymous No.17804871]

>>17802564
This crisis is good for capitalism

[Anonymous No.17804881]

>>17803831
All of this except for getting fat is a lived reality, not an autistic s o y lent larp, in communist countries.

>be communist
>die from disease because the healthcare you were taxed for is reserved for persons favoured by the party
>become homeless because government bulldozed your village to build another gulag
>become skeletoid because you can't afford food.
>become psychotic because everyone is looking for any reason to sell you out as a traitor to the cause for party favour.
>work multiple administrative jobs measuring the hight of crops grown by the one local farmer because great nation needs your help, paid in stale bread if farmer is successfully punished for slacking.

[Anonymous No.17804912]

>>17804860
>travel many miles to the hoarder's house to buy toilet paper instead of a local store
>local stores, which employs many workers, lose business
>hoarder makes all the money
>"helping the working average people"

[Anonymous No.17804918]

>>17804647
I’ll just point out that if they jack up prices, if the volume of sales drops such that they make less money than they would have by selling lower, then they end up hurting themselves instead. This is where competition is important, since the market is totally saturated with toilet paper and everyone wants to sell while the getting’s good

[Anonymous No.17804922]

Under capitalism the businesses owners at the top twist the government's arm to interfere in the market and make them interfere in other countries that are even going only mildly left-wing. Then proceed to blame socialism for the result of the blockade. Under socialism you're at the mercy of the ones who are planning the economy. Some countries did it better than others, there is no universal end result for socialism, it all depends on the planners. Under distributism (the best system) employees themselves own the companies which operate in a market economy.

[Anonymous No.17804937]

>>17804852

"There is one good thing about Marx: he was not a Keynesian" - Murray Rothbard.

Fuck off with your aggregate demand consoomerism, central banking is dictatorial establishment welfare.

[Anonymous No.17804943]

>>17804848
kek namefagging has no place here.

[Anonymous No.17804967]

>>17804937
get outcompeted son, if rothbard was correct his ideals would emerge on top, but no one can defeat inflationary policy. I don’t make the rules

[Anonymous No.17804984]

>>17804918
Another example

>Firefighters fighting massive wild fires
>Frequent communication causing data limit to be reached and service is shutdown
>Telecommunications company jacks up price on the spot if the fire department wants continued service

[Anonymous No.17805001]

>>17802564
I'll be the first one to say that 100% capitalism without some social policies is extremely flawed, but 100% communism is fucking retarded.

Grocery store in the USSR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LtQhIQ2AE

[Anonymous No.17805026]

>>17804984
People on here are retarded as fuck man, just stop taking the bait. We all know that capitalism without regulations is fucked.

[Anonymous No.17805048]

>>17804837
Under capitalism though the wealthiest business owners in the country become the ones that twist the government's arm into sabatoging left-wing countries. Such as what Nixon did to Chile to "make the economy scream". Companies (such as ITT) funded operation Condor to ruin left-wing countries. Then proceeded to blame socialism as the cause. Then gullible people bought into it. I'm saying this as someone who isn't even a socialist, I'm a distributist.

[Anonymous No.17805078]

>>17804984
telecommunications sadly is monopolized and has successfully achieved bureaucratic capture to prevent competition. only mass boycotts and social shaming could do anything to stop that, either by lowering the company’s longterm profit or ousting their bribed political puppets. But in a correctly operating system you’d just see an upstart telecom competitor move in and take the firefighters’ business

[Anonymous No.17805154]

>>17804848
Based

[Anonymous No.17805156]

>>17803750
This already happens in Venezuela, except the fat part.

[Anonymous No.17805172]

>>17804912
>>travel many miles to the hoarder's house to buy toilet paper instead of a local store
Things are being sold online.
Seriously, you have to do better than that.
> >local stores, which employs many workers, lose business
They are busy filling the shelves again.
> >hoarder makes all the money
Yes. And that's bad because? Because he'll eventually make money and won't be dependant on you for gibs, right? You guys really hate people making money. You love povery and misery.
> >"helping the working average people"
No, hoarders aren't average people. They are billionaires. It's the billionaires that are buying all the toilet paper.

[Anonymous No.17805177]

>>17804259
>Its not REAL capitalism, real capitalism was never been tried before.

[Anonymous No.17805197]

>>17805048
>I'm a distributist
you're a thief.

[Anonymous No.17805235]

>>17805048
>to ruin left-wing countries. Then proceeded to blame socialism as the cause.
As someone that comes from a socialist shithole, it's disturbing and hilarious to me that you think it the collapse wasn't caused by socialism.
It does not work, sorry bud.

[Anonymous No.17805279]

>>17802564
>mfw when capitalists don't yet realize that even capitalism was a marxist ideology
>mfw they don't realize that they are just a part of the course of history
>mfw they don't realize they will be lost, like tears in rain

[Anonymous No.17805296]

>>17805279
This is based and feudal pilled

[Anonymous No.17805317]

read cockshott faggots

[Anonymous No.17805318]

>>17802564
It's almost like shortages happen because resources are finite and have fuckall to do with an economic or political system

[Anonymous No.17805339]

>>17802674
110 will not be kind to you.

[Anonymous No.17805341]

>>17805177
It was in the 1800s in the US, the period of greatest economic growth and technical progress in human history.
Try again, commie fag

[Anonymous No.17805400]

>>17805341
>government funded expansion programs to steal resources from other souvriegn nations as a part of manifest destiny
>civil war
>literal snake oil sales men
>resulting in the guilded age

yeah, we should have learned from it the first time.

[Anonymous No.17805404]

>>17803207
This is a shitty meme because it misses the point.
Fucking your wife is not part of the market economy and therefore it doesn't have any economic value.
Only commodified sex is in the whorehouse and if you go there they will charge you per hour regardless of how bad the sex was.

[Anonymous No.17805417]

>>17802768
Not having evidence except muh CIA propaganda

[Anonymous No.17805426]

>>17805417
I think you're making progress here comrade! Keep at it!

[Anonymous No.17805428]

>>17802886
Anor less than 35k£ monthly wager praising their slavemaster
Lol

[Anonymous No.17805431]

>>17805404
Look at that fuckin jew.

They try to say he isnt. But fucking look at him.

[Anonymous No.17805480]

>>17803776
The diamat es too hard for your ignorant brain in this capitalist crisis?
Or you are an idiot all the time?

[Anonymous No.17805509]

>>17803859
Read hayek
Hayek it self puts limits in the liberty of the market
Being this poor (at head and at wallet)

[Anonymous No.17805530]

>>17804244
Oh no
Prices too high
No one is buying
They revolt
Or
They crash the markets(lol dis is actually happening)
Blames communis

[Anonymous No.17805556]

>>17805341
>If you disagree with me you are a commie
Imagine being this fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.17805565]

>>17804776
Lol
Kikes propaganda

[Anonymous No.17805582]

>>17805197
So I take it your an ancap then? Cause I can argue if you wanna use that logic taxes themselves can be theft.

[Anonymous No.17805585]

>>17804837
Arr you talking about insibli market hand?

[Anonymous No.17805588]

>>17802629
>actually on the shelves
until they are not, and then they are out for good because capitalism doesn't keep stockpiles

[Anonymous No.17805618]

>>17802629
/thread

[Anonymous No.17805669]

>>17805235
Lol
Niwadays you are in a capitalist country and i bet you dont eatnd more tan 35k£ monthly
Ahh you lumpen didnt deserve the social help
KTL

[Anonymous No.17805695]

>>17805235
Why did they have to purposely sabatoge those countries though? Couldn't they have sat back and waited for them to fail?

[Anonymous No.17805784]

>>17805565
>>17805669
>being an unironic tankie
kys
>>17805695
>Why did they have to purposely sabatoge those countries though? Couldn't they have sat back and waited for them to fail?
No, Cuba was too busy stealing our oil because you know.. comrade shit and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.17805867]

>>17805784
How were they "stealing our oil"? The USA literally funded the Batista regime yet you blame Cuba for starting this?

[Anonymous No.17805877]

>>17802564
I used amazon

[Anonymous No.17805943]

>>17805867
Cuba is still stealing our oil in Vnzl, they do this with all their "comrade" countries.
ie. Country elite give a way oil for free to feed the commie elite in Cuba.
Don't worry, once Maduro falls and Venezuela stop giving them oil you will see how fast Cuba collapses.
Cheers.

[Anonymous No.17806024]

>>17805784
Lol, being an unironic poor wager and defending the slave masters
KTL

Also
Muuuh oil was stolen(has no proves and blame a "poor" country for that)
Try harder less 35K £ earner