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17663959 No.17663959[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

honestly how fucking stupid are Americans to buy because of Trump's obvious manipulation tweets?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1237027356314869761

>> No.17664009

>>17663959
honestly feels like betting against trump is a retard choice at this point tb h.

>> No.17664027

>>17663959
How exactly is he wrong? Regular flu kills kills almost as much as coronavirus. Yet a mass pandemic is being generated by the media.

>> No.17664036

>>17663959
But he's right.

>> No.17664045

>>17664027
because corona doesn't have a cure

>> No.17664069

>>17663959
hes 100% right based orange man is the best POTUS we could wish for

>> No.17664083

>>17664045
*vaccine
No cure for flu either but vaccine helps build your immune system against it.
I hope Corona-Chan ends all those fucking retarded antivaxxers once and for all

>> No.17664092

>>17664027
Because SARS nukes your lungs

>> No.17664100

>>17663959
>orange man bad

>> No.17664110

Comparing it to flu is delusional cope.

>> No.17664130

Trump and his cult are a group of idiots. If you're still comparing this to the flu you have zero clue what you're talking about and deserve to lose all your money. Literally the idiotic rich people from Parasite.

>> No.17664131

>>17664027
does regular flu have a 10% hospitalisation rate?

>> No.17664145

>>17664130
cry some more

>> No.17664153

>>17664027
Because he's advocating for people to go to work, and claiming the scientific data from the CDC is wrong because "he has a hunch".

I'm glad this is happening to him. It's all fun and games when he's being socially retarded, but him and Fox News are going to get 30% of their Boomer voter base killed

>> No.17664156

>>17664045
>doesn't have a cure
lmao, if you're not over 60-70 99+% simply get better.

Also, multiple vaccines are in the pipeline dummy.

>> No.17664163

>>17664131
20%*

>> No.17664172

>>17664083
You're retarded. You just said CV has not vaccine, and in the next breath you suggest anti-vaxxers will be hurt more by it.
Lmao talk about a brainlet.

>> No.17664174

OH NO NO NO NOT CORONA-CHAN AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
SELL
SELL
SELL

Explain to me how the market isn't a meme

>> No.17664181

>>17663959
i trust Trump more than anyone else in this earth, Qanon a close second.

>> No.17664187

>>17664131
Does Corona?
Keep in mind that vast amounts of people were never tested.

>> No.17664205

>>17664027
A. The CDC counts heart attack victims as flu deaths if they happened to have a fever
B. Coronavirus is highly under reported because there aren't enough tests, each test costs 3000$, and there were countless dead bodies in China that were simply counted as "pneumonia victims"
C. Almost everyone is going to catch coronavirus, there's no way of avoiding it now

>> No.17664226

>>17664187
Yes? I actually gave you the conservative value, "they" are saying it's 10-20%. Italian doctors just sent out a memo (or whatever you want to call it) to the rest of Europe saying to expect a hospitalisation rate of at least 10%.

>> No.17664230

>>17664205
>Coronavirus is highly under reported because there aren't enough tests
This means that Corona's kill rate is a lot lower than reported.

>> No.17664242

>>17664156
This. Can't believe you fucking cowards just buying into obvious media manipulation just because your precious internet shekels are threatened for a couple weeks.

Mass graves were invented for the likes of you.

>> No.17664251

>>17664226
Italy notoriously isn't testing a lot of people.

>> No.17664264

>>17664045
Influenza doesn't have a cure either.

Your body just fights these viruses off within 7 days.

>> No.17664274

>>17664226
Lmao it's overreported though, because testing isn't nearly widespread enough to get an accurate figure. Probably something more like 1% when you account for all those people who don't even know they have the disease.

>> No.17664283

>>17664045
>because corona doesn't have a cure

Its a flu strain bud. A severe one, yes, but still just a flu strain in the end. Unless you're already near dead with a shot immune system, Corona cures itself.

Also its not like vaccines won't be developed in the near future.

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17664291

Retards and idiots, what Trump is doing is extremely dangrous and foolish but that's who he is I guess

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/can-a-face-mask-stop-coronavirus-covid-19-facts-checked
>Claim: ‘It is no more dangerous than winter flu’

Many individuals who get coronavirus will experience nothing worse than seasonal flu symptoms, but the overall profile of the disease, including its mortality rate, looks more serious. At the start of an outbreak the apparent mortality rate can be an overestimate if a lot of mild cases are being missed. But this week, a WHO expert suggested that this has not been the case with Covid-19. Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and the country’s response, said the evidence did not suggest that we were only seeing the tip of the iceberg. If borne out by further testing, this could mean that current estimates of a roughly 1% fatality rate are accurate. This would make Covid-19 about 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.
>This would make Covid-19 about 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-worse-than-flu
https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-is-bad-comparing-it-to-the-flu-is-worse/
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-05/flu-killed-more-people-coronavirus-covid-19

>> No.17664300

>50-70% of world population will be infected
>~2% mortality rate, WITH functioning hospitals
>20% of cases require hospitalization
>Healthcare system will collapse with the sheer number of cases
>Death rate increases drastically
>Chronic supply chain failures lead to more death

>> No.17664313

WuFlu is a big deal because it spreads asymptomatically. It is also very contagious. Quarentine makes sense to stretch out the pandemic and avoid hospital overload. This is bad for global markets.

>> No.17664315

>>17664027
>what is exponential growth
He hasn't built a wall, sucks up to jews, and doesn't use his powers at all; Why the fuck do you still support him? (Assuming you are not a boomer from /pol/ in which case have fun with the "flu")

>> No.17664330

>>17663959
>this just in Trump is retarded
Wow, shocking.

>>17664027
Goofy. Death rate is one thing, but if its 10x more contagious everyone will get it, and theres cases of people regretting it, and there is potential mutations.

>> No.17664376

>>17663959
Reeks of desperation. What is he thinking?

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>>17664315
>He hasn't built a wall, sucks up to jews, and doesn't use his powers at all;

Yeah man, look at how willing congress was to work with him on the wall. Even the glowniggers in fbi and cia are helping Trump, and not putting his friends and allies in jail.

>> No.17664410

>>17664300
>~2% mortality rate
No.

Tons of people are/were never tested, pretty much only the ones that made it to hospital ever get tested. (this was true in China, and it is certainly true in Europe now)

The mortality rate is FAR lower.

>> No.17664411

>>17664130
>Falling for the a commie meme flick
Never gonna make it

>> No.17664478

>>17664274
the exact figure for hosp rate while important, doesn't matter when you consider that the virus brought wuhan's healthcare system to its knees and appears to be doing the same to the italians in their infected regions.

wuhan literally built hospitals and locked the city down and italy has imposed social distancing and a lock down to prevent complete havoc.

i don't know what flu season's like in your neck of the woods, but i can't remember the last time that happened here

>> No.17664561

>>17664410
Ok then what is it then?

>> No.17664573

>>17664478
Italy has a little over 500 "severe" cases, their hospital system is perfectly fine.

Regular flu right now is causing MANY more severe cases in Italy right now.

>> No.17664592

>>17664291
>290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally
Not enough desu

>> No.17664669

>>17664027
the health care system is literally collapsing
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/07/china/china-coronavirus-hotel-collapse/index.html

the flu doesnt do this
this is insane what is going on

>> No.17664722

Can someone tell me if this thing is airborne?

>> No.17664746

>>17664403
He didn't need Congress, the president can do it on his own.

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17664748

oh no no no no

*wheezes with laughter*

>> No.17664750

>>17664561
The best way to look at it is through the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

>locked down for 3 weeks
>nearly 4k passengers
>elderly people are overrepresented because muh cruise
>cruise ship is a perfect incubator for disease
>constant testing

The outcome:
>only 1/5th are infected (unchanged for over a week)
>only 7 people dead (all very elderly)

So the exaggerated mortality rate among the infected on this ship is 1%, all of whom very elderly.

That means that in the outside world, the mortality rate is far below 1%.

>> No.17664778

>>17664669
>chink engineering fails
>"corona did this"

You are the perfect useful idiot.

>> No.17664788

>>17663959

Trump was a mistake, 4chan never should have helped get him elected. He killed America's chance at survival by sabotaging America's abilities to fight viral outbreaks.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump-united-states-public-health-emergency-response/

>> No.17664865

>>17664746
He did need congress.
Congress said no to the will of the people, so Trump turned to the Pentagon for military funding for the wall, which was granted.
Truly based.

>> No.17664914

>>17664748
Lmao, the world just laughs at this jewish cuck president.

>>17664788
haha he actually fired the epidemic response team, simply because they were obama era, and never replaced them.
You cant make this level of incompetence up.

>> No.17664944

>>17664788
You can't fight something like the common cold or the flu. Nor should you try to, really.

>> No.17664952

>>17664045
So? Most people recover from it, especially those under 50. And a vaccine is being developed now for the next outbreak

>> No.17664975

>>17664788
(((foreignpolicy.com)))

lol

>> No.17664986

>>17664750
That is just false, looking at 4k people on a cruise ship to determine mortality rate of a disease is dumb as fuck. Even with your bullshit number, even with the best case scenarios, we're looking at 10s of millions dead

>> No.17664987

>>17664788
Oh fuck off you retarted manlet
I hope and pray is going to be reelected

>> No.17664991

>>17664944
>You can't fight something like the common cold or the flu. Nor should you try to, really.

Someone gets it.

>> No.17665046

>>17664788
All philo-semitic politicians are a mistake

>> No.17665111

>>17664251
>>17664274
Does it matter? The point is that Italy is already running out of beds for people and they're going to begin rationing it based on "survivability" aka age.

>> No.17665126

>>17664986
Locking 4k people in a disease incubator is probably the best way to actually determine mortality rate.
The disease gets every opportunity to spread, and it is possible to easily keep testing everyone.

So long as you take into account that the number is highly exaggerated because it was obtained in an incubator.
Doubly exaggerated because the elderly are overrepresented (muh cruise).

>> No.17665127

Are people seriously buying into the whole "world ending pandemic" thing the media has been trying to sell? Bet you fucking idiots thought WW3 was really about to start as well

>> No.17665167

>>17665111
>The point is that Italy is already running out of beds
No they're not.
A total of 600 or so people are tagged as "severe cases" of Corona in all of Italy. Italy's hospitals are more than capable of handling that.

>> No.17665233

>>17665127
I mean obviously. Of course what the big man on TV is saying HAS to be true, right?

>> No.17665287

>>17664750
still 32 people in critical condition
mortality rate in the real world will be more like 5%-10%

>> No.17665328

>>17665287
>still 32 people in critical condition
Not all of those are "critical".

>mortality rate in the real world will be more like 5%-10%
You're saying mortality rate in the real world will be 5x-10x higher than in an incubator with an overrepresentation of elderly people.
You have brain issues, mentally.

>> No.17665341

>>17665287
>mortality rate in the real world will be more like 5%-10%

Lol no

>> No.17665348

>>17664027
>it's just the flu bro

>> No.17665377

>>17665348
It is.

>> No.17665399

>>17664027
Coronavirus has a mortality rate like 10 or 20 times higher than flu. Google it, because im too lazy to source you(Flu kills 0.1%-0.3% Coronavirus is between 2%-3% at the moment). Coronavirus is also far more contagious than regular flu.
Him saying this is like saying bows and arrows are more deadly weapons than nuclear bombs because more people have died to bows and arrows.

>> No.17665457

>>17665399
>Coronavirus has a mortality rate like 10 or 20 times higher than flu.
No it doesn't.

Tons of people are not tested for Corona, pretty much only the severe cases.
This was true in China, and it's certainly true in Europe right now.

The actual mortality rate is probably about the same as the regular flu.

See >>17664750
Even in an incubator with an overrepresentation of elderly people, the mortality rate is 1%.

>> No.17665466

>>17665399
People who believe corona < flu are genetic dead ends. Let them first get broke for not understanding that they havent seen the other side of the distribution and then die out because of the virus

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17665482

>>17663959
>>17664027
>>17664036
>>17664069
Why are amerifats too retarded to grasp the concept of exponential growth? Why are mutts in general such useless brainlets?
It says a lot that a lebanese (Nassim Taleb) is by far the most reasonable man in the USA, the """white""" americans are useless trash.

>> No.17665508

We're entering crab market mode now. Put big money on options both ways and you'll come out good when it rebounds or when it crashes.

>> No.17665529

>>17665466
>under 60
>die out from Corona
lololol

>>17665482
We have an incubator, you dillweed: the Diamond Princess.
For over a week now, the infection rate has remained stable at 20%, and the mortality rate at 1%.

And this is with a ship full of oldfags on a cruise.

>> No.17665541

>>17665328
>>17665341
most people live in shitholes, once this spreads in aids ridden Africa and India people will die en mass
mortality rate in first world countries won't be as high but the overall mortality is much much higher than you can imagine
and even people in first world countries will drop like flies once the hospitals are overrun and supply chains collapse
italy will run out of icu beds in 2 weeks or something, keep an eye on the situation there

>> No.17665545

>>17665457
Tons of people never go to the doctor for flu as well. I am one of them. What is your point?

>> No.17665557

>>17665541
>most people live in shitholes, once this spreads in aids ridden Africa and India people will die en mass
It's been in Africa and India for weeks.

>> No.17665580

>>17665557
it has been in china for weeks, before they started to release fake numbers too

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17665589

>>17665482
a strong flu strain will infect the world via *****exponential growth***** that means people will cough harder for some time before returning to normal... WOW STOP THE WORLD! SELL ALL YOUR HOLDINGS AND LIVE IN THE WOODS!!

USA is, and always will be. Numero Uno. Remember that boy.

>> No.17665604

>>17665545
The numbers on the flu span many many decades, we have a much clearer outlook on it.
And here in Europe, most people (even young) do have a doctor come over for the flu.

>>17665580
And?

>> No.17665644

>>17665545
And I'm saying even people with corona who DO see a doctor, often do not get tested for Corona until their case becomes severe.
That's how it goes here in Europe, and that's how it went in China.

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17665678

>>17664130
Go Back to your home

>> No.17665693

>>17665604
>And here in Europe, most people (even young) do have a doctor come over for the flu.
What the fuck are you talking about? No they dont. I lived in the UK for 8 years. You guys just stay home and drink tea. The doctor cant do shit for a virus anyway, its a waste of your time to potentially infect another person.

>> No.17665707

>>17664251
>>17664274
Nice denial

>> No.17665716

>>17665604
even first world countries like the us can't properly test people en mass
the virus is already spreading in India and Africa and in the opposite to count the positive tests of people, we will be counting bodies once shtf there as well

>> No.17665734

>>17664009
The cosmic pattern has flipped.

>> No.17665744

>>17665693
>What the fuck are you talking about? No they dont. I lived in the UK for 8 years.
I'm talking about Europe.
And see >>17665644

>>17665716
Even in an incubator filled with old people, the virus only manages to kill 1% (all of whom elderly).
Stick your body bags up your quivering buttcheecks, doomer.

>> No.17665762

>>17665644
You are making an awful lot of assumptions in all of your arguments. You are claiming Coronavirus is “just the flu bro” but you are claiming that somehow the infected persons are able to distinguish between the two and more go to the doctor to get tested when they have the flu, than those who have Coronavirus. Do you hear yourself?

>> No.17665906

A hell of a lot people here infected with contrarianism. I used to be like that.

>> No.17665923

>>17665744
you are either coping hard or you are shilling for the CCP
the fucking ship is not a real world scenario and is irrelevant
>>17665762
ignore this motherfucker, he clearly never was in the eu and is just repeating the same shit over and over again

>> No.17665971

>>17664274
Doesn’t that analysis also hold true for the calculation of the fatality rate for the common flu, against which you are comparing the Wuhan Coronavirus?

The 0.1% fatality rate for the flu is calculated with a firm numerator (number of dead) and a squishy denominator (number of infected - which may be underreported due to some of the infected not knowing they’re carriers, not being sick enough to seek treatment or get tested, etc.)

>> No.17665972

>>17664027
Don’t be stupid anon.
Multiply 1,000,000 by 0.001
Multiply 1,000,000 by 0.02

Tell me which calculation produces more numbers. FYI flu has a 0.01% mortality rate and corona has a 2% mortality rate.

>> No.17665986

>>17665906
And then you became NPC

>> No.17665999

>>17665762
>You are making an awful lot of assumptions in all of your arguments.
Name one assumption.

>You are claiming Coronavirus is “just the flu bro”
Never said this.

>you are claiming that somehow the infected persons are able to distinguish between the two
What?

>more go to the doctor to get tested when they have the flu
People with corona who go to the doctor are LIKELY not to actually get tested for corona unless their case becomes "severe".
This means corona infections are HUGELY underreported, while at the same time corona deaths are (relatively) accurately reported.

One place where infections are accurately reported, is the Diamond Princess incubator ship.
And it shows that (even under ideal infectious conditions, and among a highly aged group), the mortality rate is 1%.
Meaning the actual real-world mortality rate is far lower than that.

>> No.17666021

corona only kills 80+ year old boomers
insiders are buying the dip

>> No.17666066

>>17664027
You faggots keep using estimated deaths and not confirmed for the flu.

>> No.17666090

>>17666021
Kek, this. All those who missed out on initial Trump boom to 30k are buying now.

DOW already recovered most of what it lost this morning.

>> No.17666108

>>17666090
>has recovered
Let’s just ignore the fact it was at 29,000 a few weeks ago

>> No.17666138

>>17665971
low-severity flu: you are counted as a flu infection purely based on your symptoms (no actual testing)

low-severity corona: you are NOT counted as corona infection (no actual testing)

This is because corona test kit reagents are running low.

>> No.17666189

>>17665999
>Name one assumption
I did already. Reread the post.
> People with corona who go to the doctor are LIKELY not to actually get tested for corona unless their case becomes "severe".
>This means corona infections are HUGELY underreported, while at the same time corona deaths are (relatively) accurately reported.
Why does this not apply to the flu in the exact same magnitude?
>One place where infections are accurately reported, is the Diamond Princess incubator ship.
>And it shows that (even under ideal infectious conditions, and among a highly aged group), the mortality rate is 1%.
You are basing your calculations on a tiny sample size. Why wouldnt the World Health Organization have more accurate data than your nig rigged armchair virologist “case study”?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html