/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.17373038]

This is a BSV board now

[Anonymous No.17373061]

>>17373038
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, STIFF BICKIES ANONS

[Anonymous No.17373089]

[Anonymous No.17373091]

Stiff. Suck my cocks you Ethereum 2.0, Lightning Network faggots.

[Anonymous No.17373108]

oh no no NO NO NO!!

[Anonymous No.17373121]

>>17373038
checked

[Anonymous No.17373122]

This is now /bsvg/
Lets go boys

[Anonymous No.17373175]

>>17373122
Checked.
Good to be here

[Anonymous No.17373195]

>>17373122
They die :( they literally died :(

[Anonymous No.17373197]

Satoshi doesn't give a fuck about your centralised shitcoin, he'll dump on Craig and buy XMR

[Anonymous No.17373206]

>>17373175
Take a seat, friend. You are home.

>https://youtu.be/hXUOSCGfuJA
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[Anonymous No.17373207]

>>17373038
Not so fast, fraudman

[Anonymous No.17373222]

>>17373089
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[Anonymous No.17373255]

>>17373207
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[Anonymous No.17373257]

>>17373222
HOLY CHECKED

[Anonymous No.17373265]

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>>17373222
Checked

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[Anonymous No.17373314]

reddit gold to all double digit numbers in this great thread!!!

[Anonymous No.17373332]

whoops! sorry strangers!!!!

[Anonymous No.17373354]

>>17373255
HOLY SHIT

[Anonymous No.17373359]

>>17373332
Downvoted

[Anonymous No.17373362]

AHEM.. I have an announcement, gather around and poor yourself a drink.

[Anonymous No.17373383]

>>17373362
this oughta be good..

also check these numericals ^

[Anonymous No.17373516]

There will be times that you'll feel overwhelmed by all the fud pushed onto you by the misbeliever on this board. There will be times that you'll be tempted to just listen to all the lies shouted into your ears..

[Anonymous No.17373572]

>>17373516
No I never listened to them for a second. I bought into BSV based on a time traveler screenshot of coin market before any of the BSV breadcrumbs even dropped. The breadcrumbs just convinced me to buy even more.
t. 143.37 BSV holder

[Anonymous No.17373587]

>>17373572
Coinmarketcap *

[Anonymous No.17373591]

...They are fudding for a reason, and that reason is FEAR.

[Anonymous No.17373656]

>>17373038
Me likey

[Anonymous No.17373666]

At least the schizo link posters are entertaining and mystical. You guys just repeat the same shit, inject it everywhere, steal memes just to riDE on the wagon. When there's something that proves you wrong you just pretend it''s the opposite. You all also seem to be extremely racist Donald trump lovers

[Anonymous No.17373694]

>>17373038
what's a bsv?

[Anonymous No.17373695]

>>17373666
>You all also seem to be extremely racist Donald trump lovers
Yes

>>17373572
Would you be willing to share this screenshot?

[Anonymous No.17373712]

>>17373666
Have you done even slightest research of your own? I don't think so. You think it's supposed to be an easy task to join the new intellectual elite? I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.17373761]

>>17373666
My fave trips

[Anonymous No.17373772]

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[Anonymous No.17373774]

We have now taken back control of bitcoin once and for all. BSV is the future of blockchain and the market will decide soo enough. I am asking you, are you ready to make BITCOIN great again?

[Anonymous No.17374269]

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[Anonymous No.17374288]

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[Anonymous No.17374388]

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[Anonymous No.17374438]

>>17373038 (OP)
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[Anonymous No.17374484]

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[Anonymous No.17374503]

He looks like Tom Cruise, mission impossible

[Anonymous No.17374792]

>>17373206
I'm not a computer expert so pls no bully. What would be the differences between a Turing complete and non-Turing complete bitcoin? What would be the differences of a bitcoin version that doesnt have a loop in the payment channel (as people seem to believe that bitcoin is non-turing complete)?

[Anonymous No.17375054]

>>17373038
if you want us to start buying BSV, you need to start begging
beg like a bitch, on all fours
beg

[Anonymous No.17375075]

>>17375054
I want you to short it.

[Anonymous No.17375085]

>>17375054
It's funnier when you saw all the information and didn't buy. So please, do not buy.

[Anonymous No.17375203]

>>17374792
Turing completeness refers to the father of modern computers Alan Turing. He built a machine to crack the enigma code for German communications in ww2. The enigma hadmillions of different possible combinations, so he created a machine which could rapidly solve for them and brute forced the answer. A Turing complete bitcoin is the same thing. It means it can complete the Turing sequence and is always superior to a Turing incomplete bitcoin which cannot. Does that make sense?

[Anonymous No.17375236]

[Anonymous No.17375315]

>>17373695
You ask and shall receive. At the time, according to the picture, BSV offered the best return versus the other coins shown. I calculated it to be roughly 2 years into future by basing it off of available bitcoin and bitcoin daily mining rates

[Anonymous No.17375344]

>>17375315
>that screenshot
take medication

[Anonymous No.17375400]

>>17374269
>>17374438
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[Anonymous No.17375516]

Can someone edit this to work for Craig / BSV? Let’s meme on these faggots

[Anonymous No.17375617]

>>17375315
Thank you sir. I certainly look forward to seeing this screen irl when it happens

[Anonymous No.17375643]

>>17375516
I only have this one

[Anonymous No.17375655]

>>17373038
Kys faggot worshipping pajeet

[Anonymous No.17375717]

>>17375203
That makes sense, thanks. My understanding is that bitcoin is turning complete because the script creates output, which can then be used as an input in a later script, therefore creating a loop. Is that somewhat correct?

[Anonymous No.17375736]

>>17375643
Oh ok I forgot it had already been made

[Anonymous No.17375768]

>>17375315
>Iota

[Anonymous No.17375937]

>>17373666
Here you go Satan

[Anonymous No.17375972]

>>17375717
computer engineer here, and yep, that's a very accurate analogy; Bitcoin derives its Turing completeness from having the ability to have one program of Script maintain a stack to act as a control mechanism for another (or more) program of Script, thus emulating a 2PDA (2-stack pushdown automaton), which is well-known to be Turing complete

[Anonymous No.17376037]

>>17375972
Is pic related a depiction of 2PDA of a stack?

[Anonymous No.17376055]

>>17376037
>>17375972
Fuck

[Anonymous No.17376112]

>>17376037

[Anonymous No.17376247]

>>17376055
no, that's just a description of a chain of digital signatures, which is essentially what Bitcoin is
not many images readily available of it on Google, but this one of the better ones I found with a quick search

[Anonymous No.17376275]

>>17375717
>>17375972
I just made up a fake answer. Are you saying I was right lmfao?

[Anonymous No.17376276]

>>17376112
>>17376247
Thanks guys. I'll need to read up on this some more

[Anonymous No.17376385]

>>17375203
>>17376275
no, my reply was to the other guy; what you said contained a couple of historically correct facts about Turing himself and some of his work, but no relevant or accurate information about Turing completeness

[Anonymous No.17376536]

>>17376112
I would pump Craigs thick ass full of cum

[Anonymous No.17376562]

>>17375315
most of the names on there are pretty self explanatory... but what is leveret?

[Anonymous No.17376677]

>>17375972
not really turing complete and it also doesn't work trustlessly and autonomously the way real smart contracts work

[Anonymous No.17376701]

>>17376677
>actually believes dapps are real

[Anonymous No.17376780]

>>17376677
yes, definitely Turing complete
and yes, Bitcoin is completely trustless
as for smart contracts, they must in many cases rely on external data, which will tend to be from sources considered oracles so that the contracts themselves can be fully autonomous; the incentives to keep oracles honest are the same incentives which secures the Bitcoin network to begin with, viz. economic incentives and proof of work

[Anonymous No.17376781]

>>17376701
all i know is bitcoin script is not turing complete on purpose
subleq is the simplest turing complete language a single instruction language. any turing machine can emulate any other. if a machine can't emulate subleq it is proof of it's non turing completeness.

[Anonymous No.17376801]

>>17376781
a single Script program is indeed not Turing complete, but two or more of them together can emulate a 2PDA, which is known to be Turing complete, and thus Bitcoin as a system is Turing complete

[Anonymous No.17376802]

>>17376781
Bitcoin is turing complete, retarded mETHhead

[Anonymous No.17376813]

>>17376780
>yes, definitely Turing complete
it's not and even craig says "it's as powerful as a tm" which it ain't and it's not practical either.
>as for smart contracts, they must in many cases rely on external data, which will tend to be from sources considered oracles so that the contracts themselves can be fully autonomous
this is a slippery slope you stepped on anon
>the incentives to keep oracles honest are the same incentives which secures the Bitcoin network
and you just slipped and fell on your face

[Anonymous No.17376832]

>>17376801
>a single Script program is indeed not Turing complete, but two or more of them together can emulate a 2PDA
they can't bitcoin scripts have no interaction with each other. if you run an external turing machine that makes this weird bullshit tick then you have an external centralized trustful component. which being a turing machine can in theory obviously solve turing problems in whatever roundabout way.

[Anonymous No.17376867]

>>17376813
>it's not and even craig says "it's as powerful as a tm" which it ain't and it's not practical either
it is; as far as practicality goes, programming it now is like it was to use Assembly, but as we're seeing with work like Operate, higher-level way to make it more accessible for lay programmers, and in the future even for people who aren't programmers, is the way things are going
and if you don't understand that the incentives for keeping oracles honest, as well as miners to begin with, are based on the economic incentives associated with proof of work, which is what gives it Byzantine fault tolerance in the first place, then you're the one who has clearly misunderstood something very fundamental

[Anonymous No.17376892]

>>17376813
If you pay miner a fee he will give you honest data

[Anonymous No.17376896]

>>17376832
>they can't bitcoin scripts have no interaction with each other
incorrect, every Script program maintains a stack, and returns OP_RETURN data; this data is literally accessible to everyone and everything with access to the blockchain, which includes other Script programs
>if you run an external turing machine that makes this weird bullshit tick then you have an external centralized trustful component
you don't, it's all on-chain, as I've been pointing out to you for a long time now; the only thing that must necessarily be input from outside the chain is data about real events, naturally, which is the role of oracles like WeatherSV

[Anonymous No.17376897]

>>17376813
What's wrong with using external data for smart contracts? How the fuck else are you suppose to do anything?

What's wrong with incentives to keep data providers honest? Incentives are the entire mechanism to keep Bitcoin honest.

[Anonymous No.17376911]

>>17376867
>people who aren't programmers
like you obviously
>with proof of work, which is what gives it Byzantine fault tolerance
only in a specific condition: if you have the chain with the most hahspower of which the majority is honest. if you read the whitepaper you would know this. the nakamoto consensus doesn't work properly and basically inapplicable on minority chains.

[Anonymous No.17376923]

>>17376897
exactly

[Anonymous No.17376935]

>>17376892
yeah sure except he can feed you any bullshit and you have no way to verify it in a script also you can't take your money back either it's gone.
>>17376897
>What's wrong with using external data for smart contracts?
everything basically why chainlink is a huge clusterfuck
>How the fuck else are you suppose to do anything?
stick to what bitcoin can actually do and only bitcoin can do!

[Anonymous No.17376945]

>>17376813
Craig has wrote 4 papers on bitcoin's turing completeness

[Anonymous No.17376976]

>>17376935
>need data for your contract
>pay provider in Bitcoin to provide data
>provider signs transactions that provide data to blockchain that your contract can now use

What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.17376987]

>>17376911
>like you obviously
nice try, but got my master's in computer engineering many years ago and have been working as a software dev ever since
>only in a specific condition: if you have the chain with the most hahspower of which the majority is honest. if you read the whitepaper you would know this. the nakamoto consensus doesn't work properly and basically inapplicable on minority chains
very fundamental misunderstanding of how Bitcoin works, Nakamoto consensus is a mechanism to keep miners honest on any given network by selecting the chain with the most proof of work, and the semantic conflation of a network and a chain in this sense is wrong, since the different networks are not competing with each other in remotely the same sense as miners competing against each other on a given network, and it is the latter for which Nakamoto consensus applies
also, I've literally read the whitepaper over a hundred times

[Anonymous No.17377011]

>>17376935
Miners gives the data they are given to. You can take data from multiple sources too.

[Anonymous No.17377267]

>>17376976
nothing if you trust the provider and he doesn't fuck you in the ass just because he can but if you are willing to trust others with your money wtf are you doing with bitcoin?

[Anonymous No.17377291]

>>17376987
>but got my master's in computer engineering
of course... i have been a dev for the last 30 years of my life and you are talking nonsense.
>Nakamoto consensus is a mechanism to keep miners honest
hell no. it's the way the network reaches a byzantine tolerant distributed consensus. you are clearly utterly clueless.

[Anonymous No.17377302]

>>17377011
what's your point? every piece of data put on the sv chain is unverifiable by miners even if they gave a single fuck. this also includes fucking weather data.

[Anonymous No.17377348]

>>17376987
>>17376780
>>17376801

Interesting, thanks for the rundown anon

[Anonymous No.17377361]

>>17373666
read the whitepaper

[Anonymous No.17377381]

>>17377348
it's more interesting to me that anyone takes that clown seriously. gods zoo is vast and the fence is short as fuck.

[Anonymous No.17377552]

>>17377381

Yikes

[Anonymous No.17377579]

>>17377267
>nothing if you trust the provider

You're going to have to, incentivizing them with money helps. Idk where you're expecting decentralized trustless data to come from. The only thing that eliminates trust between parties is the transactions done on chain. Bitcoin doesn't magically make all things in our world trustless and decentralized, despite what mETH heads will tell you.

[Anonymous No.17377594]

>>17377579
>You're going to have to
fuck are you doing in crypto?
>Idk where you're expecting decentralized trustless data to come from.
exactly i don't expect this to happen nor do i expect it to have any impact on bitcoins value proposition

[Anonymous No.17377602]

>>17377302
>decentralized weather data

Say it out loud. Does it sound stupid? It should. Weather SV is an immutable record. Not magical decentralized weather data. All data has a source.

[Anonymous No.17377610]

>>17377594
>fuck are you doing in crypto?
What are you talking about? Nothing I'm talking about invalidates the trustless decentralized nature of Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.17377636]

>>17377602
>All data has a source
yes and if you trust the source (it's an authority) then oracles make no sense because the authority can sign the data and you can drive your own smart contracts. at least on a chain that has deterministic state mutation like eth.
but ultimately bitcoin smart contracts will not involve offchain data.
frankly taproof is a hundred times more interesting than a turing complete script or the entire metanet wankfest. and taproof is overhyped as fuck.

[Anonymous No.17377659]

>>17377610
you just said you gonna trust data providers. also no minority chain can be trustless because they are not secure. the whole p2sh address confiscation fiasco is a good example also why sv is specifically not trustless.

[Anonymous No.17377705]

>>17377636
>but ultimately bitcoin smart contracts will not involve offchain data
Maybe, maybe not. I would imagine all relevant smart contract data will be put onchain. Relying on other methods seems convoluted and over-burdensome when you can just put the data onchain.

>>17377659
Again, not sure what trusting a data source has to do with invalidating Bitcoin transactions. You're falling for the dapp meme and falling hard.

>the whole p2sh address confiscation fiasco
wat

[Anonymous No.17377726]

>>17373666
this

[Anonymous No.17377750]

>>17377705
>I would imagine all relevant smart contract data will be put onchain.
it would be wasteful and retarded causing more problems then it solves not to mention just because it's on a blockchain it's still not verified nor it is usable by other scripts.
>not sure what trusting a data source has to do with invalidating Bitcoin transactions.
not what i said, i said if you are willing to trust others with your money wtf are you doing in crpyto?

[Anonymous No.17377824]

>>17374269
what a fucking faaaaaaaaggot
Imagine buying shitcoins from a guy that sucks on other guy's tongues

[Anonymous No.17377830]

>>17377750
Why would putting data on chain be worse than... what exactly? If something isn't usable by other scripts then it's probably by design. I don't want people to use data I put on chain for free unless I choose to. It creates a market for data on chain. Pay a small fee, use my data or don't and get your data on chain some other way.

> if you are willing to trust others with your money wtf are you doing in crpyto?
I'm not autistic. It's going to be much easier for me to outsource (pay someone) to provide me data than me to do it myself. I really don't understand your problem with spending Bitcoin for services.

[Anonymous No.17377847]

>>17377830
>If something isn't usable by other scripts then it's probably by design
no it's by default

[Anonymous No.17377879]

>>17373089
Oh you really made the shills seethe with this one, anon. Nice job

[Anonymous No.17377895]

>>17377847
I don't understand the problem. Ether allow for others to use your data for free or charge them for the privilege as I already stated. Something like Weather SV is kind of a public works so to speak (without force). People voluntarily pay money to upload weather data and boom it's onchain forever. You can then use this data in your smart contract. Or I suppose you probably wouldn't for reasons...

[Anonymous No.17377907]

>>17377830
look i'm gonna give you an example here for an actual useful smart contract that only needs some extra legislation to work and no leaps of faith are involved.

you want to buy a house from a guy
you both are entering into a smart contract that governs payouts depending on the unlock script
the unlock script says a piece of data with hash H (the record stating property right transfer) signed by pubkey P (real estate registration) is required to pay the output to address A (the sellers)
the other guy presents the smart contract to the registration office where they see it's been confirmed and sign the requested record the the seller drives the contract to pay out for himself but by doing so immutably atomically and publicly verifiably transfers property rights to you and doing so receives the coins or a timelock else gives them back to you with a penalty from him included on an other branch.

this is what a useful smart-contract looks like.

[Anonymous No.17377947]

>>17377895
look i could talk to you for hours about why putting data on blockchain in general is completely useless worthless and just waste or garbage as you like. we will probably meet again in an other thread and maybe i will.

right now i'm gonna get some sleep. just think about the nature of trust the nature of smart contracts atomic swaps and payout conditions... maybe you will get it.

a smart contract that doesn't govern payout is utterly useless and pointless. if it does you want it to be trustless.

[Anonymous No.17378022]

>>17377907
also if you tokenize your house you can just do simple atomic swap without any third party permission. kinda dangerous i would think twice before doing that but it's technically more than possible. the issue with is the office of real estate registration can handle outlying cases like if you "lose the private keys" and shit inheritance and final inheritance by state and stuff that is very hard to impossible to do with smart contracts only.

but again with taproot you can have very complex smart contracts covering hundreds of outcomes.

[Anonymous No.17378112]

>>17377907
>guy presents the smart contract to the registration office
This step should be unnecessary with your version of smart contracts.

Here's another example. Party A agrees to pay Party B x amount of Bitcoin pending a particular outcome, lets say the price of grain. Party A and B agree beforehand that they will use the prices published by a particular firm(s) (to the blockchain of course). The sign the contract. The contract gets executed automatically when the price data is published. All done on chain, no premined shittoken required.

>>17377947
>look i could talk to you for hours about why putting data on blockchain in general is completely useless worthless
Sure you can. That doesn't mean you're right.

>>17378022
>also if you tokenize your house you can just do simple atomic swap without any third party permission
Of course you could, but nobody would do that. Nor would it likely be accepted anyway for the same reason you posted about the registration office before. This actually plays into what creg rags on about possession not being ownership.

[Anonymous No.17378258]

>>17375075
I won't give you the short squeeze, futures is gambling
>>17375085
I will only buy if you beg enough
get on all fours and start begging like the slave that you are
beg slave

[Anonymous No.17378277]

>>17378258
How is it even possible to be this dense? We're begging you not to buy it.

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[Anonymous No.17379027]

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