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What is going to prevent pic related from happening and therefore ruining your ass in court due to a bunch of NEETs/bots manipulating the majority vote because TLDR?

There is a reason why the court system exists, and why we need PROFESSIONALs to represent not some autists judging "subjective" cases on the internet / LARPing as insurance/business/transport experts, then hoping your ass that game theory will make them choose the most rational decision.

If you get the majority vote wrong, you lose your "streak" and PNK you stake. Trusting simple yes/no decisions on subjective cases that require multiple viewpoints from expert analysis is retarded as well as when one party REEEEs and pay extra arbitration fees for more jurors to rejudge the case in their favor.

Again there is a reason why the real court system gives pay equally and does not incentivize jurors / coerce them to make the majority vote for the "best judgement" when cases can be adjourned or if both parties can be at fault in the court system. The reason the judge is there is to cut the bullshit between both parties and review each side in detail and make proper judgement with their extensive knowledge of the law. If you lose the judge you'll have either party lying their ass off on the contract and internet larpers/bots using their "best judgement" of the pile of horseshit.

Also
>future work does not mention its weight as a valid judgement over the modern court system except "muh there are too many cases/its too expensive and complicated!" and what they will do to address them.
>no roadmap
>90% of problems in transportation/insurance/ecommerce can be easily solved with Chainlink smart contracts. I have no idea why they label such issues as "subjective" as you can track packages with real world data and such big ecommerce/insurance/transport companies will obviously refund you due to their inherent policies, keeping customer satisfaction, and profit margins.
>spanish ceo and ¿literally who team?

>> No.17307922

We are judge jajaja get fuck

>> No.17307939

>>17307906
I lost twice by voting wrong. It's not that bad, you don't lose your whole stake. I staked 20,000 and just lost 100 PNK for each case.

>> No.17307942

Seriously kleros makes no sense. And anons will just call us fudders and not answer anything

>> No.17307960

>>17307939
which court did you stake in?

>> No.17308020
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>>17307939
Yeah sure, but you lost your "streak" for more rewards and the whitepaper doesn't explain the tokenomics of a 100 PNK value. That could have been 100 dollars or some shit since they didn't specify how they would adjust the valuation in case this shit coin pumps.

>> No.17308051

The concept is retarded.
I wouldnt leave important desicions to the equivalent if reddit upvotes.
no wonder this shitcoin is still 300ish rank after +1 year.
Chainlink was never worth less than ~32 m mc.

>> No.17308143

>>17308051
Exactly.
I'm tired of seeing anons talk about this shitcoin going to 1 dollar when they never read the whitepaper and just latched on to hype without any forethought. Nufags/pajeets really shit this board.

If it can't address these core issues then it's just a PnD but I'm glad to ride it and let normies/clueless bizfags pump it so I can dump.

>> No.17308153

>>17307906
The money is held in escrow before the trial ever begins so that would prevent from what your 2 min stick figure fud describes from happening. Its obvious you want to accumulate more.

If you vote against the majority the court will vote again and bring in 2x as many jurors +1 so each round the fees go up and it becomes exponentially harder to game the system.

>no multiple choice

Adressed in the kleros blog:
https://blog.kleros.io/kleros-and-social-choice-theory-voting/

*yawn* next

>> No.17308165

>>17308153
Also this isnt meant to replace court but meant to replace customer support, a job that doesnt require you to be a legal professional.

>> No.17308169

Try harder

>> No.17308247
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17308247

I own 20,000,000 PNK.

>> No.17308270

>>17308165
Exactly, people don’t understand how big of a market this is. Companies like amazon pay people hundreds of millions a year for bullshit customer support jobs when they could just get kleros to do it

>> No.17308272

>>17308247
ngmi

>> No.17308290

>>17307906
Little do you know NEETS *ARE* professionals.

The market is waking up to this fact.

>> No.17308312

LET THE BLOCKCHAIN DECIDE SERVE YOUR JEWISH MASTERS

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>>17307906
>Tfw my platform doesn't even have PNK listed so I can't impulse buy on this shitty scam

>> No.17308359

So how much PNK do you lose doing this court stuff or staking whatever if PNK is worth 1 dollar at some point?
Woops, there goes 100 bucks.

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>>17307906
PAID FUDDERS GETTING DESPERATE LMAO.

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>> No.17308375

>>17307942
I stopped asking and just bought. Was better that way.

>> No.17308377

>>17308359
Definitely can be adjusted lol

>> No.17308381

>>17308051
>The concept is retarded.
>I wouldnt leave important desicions to the equivalent if reddit upvotes.
You could say the same about reddit itself (the upvote system is retarded, who would ever want to post on a forum where you can be downvoted for disagreeing) yet it's one of the most popular websites in the world

>> No.17308398

>>17308336
use uniswap you dumb retarded piece of shit goku fuck

>> No.17308415

>>17308153
>If you vote against the majority the court will vote again and bring in 2x as many jurors +1 so each round the fees go up and it becomes exponentially harder to game the system.

This doesnt talk about bots or unqualifieds that can pollute the court system and how to oust them. There is a reason why in jury duty they kick most of those with biases and are selective. They don't bring exponential amount of people every fucking time a case is reopened. There is a limit of jurors for a reason. This is like bringing 2x as many people all with potential biases and no screening and there is no hard cap stated.

>restricting judgement and law to multiple choice
lol. There's no "multiple choice" in the court system. Who is the one that makes such choices? Right, the article doesn't explain lmao.

>>17308165
Uhhh this is why customer support follows POLICIES made by the company and implement them. You either agree to those policies as a customer or not. There is no need for Kleros court.

also
>this solution is not discussed in the whitepaper nor is it implemented in the system they've made yet
>takes 2 years to make article and answer this problem with their system
>still doesn't bother to update the whitepaper to include this important question, anon has to dig for it
>probably due to spanish ceo

>> No.17308438

>>17307906
Here's the way I see it.
kleros doesn't need to replace some sort of real-world, 12 Angry Men type scenario.
What it Can do is bring a "soft"ness to the decentralized world. Right now, there are about a billion ways in which "smart" contracts act buttfucking stupid while handling the most simplistic of tasks, and kleros could lend a guiding hand without anyone having to rely on a central authority.

however, an all-powerful cabal of NEET philosopher kings making decisions about things they know nothing about would also be hilarious, so I support that vision as well.

>> No.17308560

>>17308438
>Right now, there are about a billion ways in which "smart" contracts act buttfucking stupid while handling the most simplistic of tasks

List them please? LINK already addresses these problems with multiple node operators to verify information. You can't bullshit data with hundreds of decentralized nodes and an oracle to delegate which ones are consistently reliable lol.

It's most likely the programmer's fault for not reviewing or putting it on testnet before implementing a million dollar insurance smartcontract live.

>> No.17308845

>>17308415
tits or gtfo

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>>17307942
I posted this earlier. I was actually fudding, kek

>> No.17309017

>>17308845
no u

>> No.17309451

>>17308415
If a person were to use bots, it would cost increasingly more each round. It doesnt make sense to vote against the majority.

There a couple ways of organizing multiple choice answers which the article does explain.

If the customer is owed a refund or whatever they are claiming, and it is covered by policy, kleros streamlines that. Voting with the policy would be the choice if the court were to determine if they are owed within the policy.

>> No.17309532

>>17308560
What if there is a dispute over what a 'reliable' node is reporting. Shit can happen.

>> No.17310520

Nice try OP. Not selling.