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Do millenials understand that the power to charge electric vehicles is produced conventionally? I'm confused by the tone of conversations on the subject. It's like they think electric vehicles are "clean", because they do not produce emissions themselves.

>> No.17101665

>>17101566
Electric vehicles and thermal power plants have a higher efficiency, they pollute less than ICE.

>> No.17101684

>>17101665
While this is true, electric vehicles require a lot of electricity. Our current grids aren't set up to handle it. I don't know the figures on how much power it uses, but think an air conditioner x 10 or more in the case of a tesla. Gasoline hybrid cars would have been ideal but now way too many people are scared of oil products.

>> No.17101811

>>17101566
Do you understand that mass solar sites and wind farms exist and are becoming more prevalent?

>> No.17102167

>>17101811
And you believe wind and solar is being used to power electric vehicle charging stations? Top fucking kek.

>> No.17102186

>>17101811
right next to the unicorn farms!

>> No.17102224
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>>17101566
Congratulations ! You're a fucking retarded !

>> No.17102292

>>17101665
Producing electric vehicles is not green, and less green than ice vehicles.
You are better off buying used ice vehicles than buying ANY new cars.
Most electricity is from Petro, also electricity generally has an automatic 30-40% inefficiency loss.

>> No.17102306

>>17102292
same for PVs.... no carbon emissions at point but still based on destructive extractive industries. It's more about looking woke than it is about solving anything, although there are good reasons to buy EVs or installing pvs

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>>17101566
These plants out put the same amount of electric no matter what. its one of the reason street lights exist.
The same works for oil refineries, So the more electric cars the less demand for petrol/diesel. Thanks tesla owners, only cost me £87 to fill up yesterday.

>> No.17102358

>>17101566
The grid gets cleaner every year. Weak argument

>> No.17102368

>>17101684
>I don't know the figures on how much power it uses, but think an air conditioner x 10 or more in the case of a tesla.

>I dont know so im just gonna make a guess and base my whole argument on that

top kek my dude

>> No.17102390
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17102390

>>17102368
I’m trying hard to find your argument

>> No.17102424

>>17101566
>millennials
>understand anything
top kek

>> No.17102434

what's the possibility that middle class homes have solar panels and can subsidize their electricity for their home and car
how far is that technology

I know only rich people are able to afford the tesla panels and the others need the 30% tax benefit that renewable energy grants
even still it takes decades to pay off

>> No.17102461

>>17102368
Fact is they use a lot of power to charge. Everyone will drive home and plug their cars in at 5pm and boom, electrical grid overload.

>> No.17102475

>>17102292
>Producing electric vehicles is not green, and less green than ice vehicles.
>You are better off buying used ice vehicles than buying ANY new cars.

I agree, but that's not how the world work, you have to consoom or else the debt economy collapses

>Most electricity is from Petro, also electricity generally has an automatic 30-40% inefficiency loss.
The average thermal efficiency of power plants is around 50% these days, it's 20% better than your average engine, only Formula 1 and some WEC cars match that.

The real problem with electric cars are the lithium batteries.

>> No.17102489

>>17102390
>he cant into meme arrows

>>17102461
Thats why you buy the TESLA BATTERY BANK TM like a good goy

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>>17101566
Fossil fuel peaked in 2007 and already declined with 20% by 2017.
We're now in 2020 so it has declined with another 5% since probably.
Between 2015 and 2017 wind and solar added about 350 kWh to the average mix. Coal is probably already less than that today.
Just linear growth means that Wind and Solar capacity will completely kill of the coal industry this decade.
We'll be left with 1 kWh in hydro, 2.2 in nuclear, 3 in gas, 3 in Wind and 3 in Solar in just a decade.
Perhaps the large scale usage of vehicles will curb the consumption upward again to 14 or 15 kWh per capita but it wont be enough to turn the fossil fuels back on.
By 2040 fossil fuels will be pretty much in the past.