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So let’s talk about how Ethereum is the closest thing to a quantum computer that humanity has so far.

Another point I wanted to bring up: all the other companies (google, IBM, etc.) claiming to have quantum computers are not being entirely genuine. They have pseudo-quantum processors that mimic the coherence of quantum systems but are not actually physically conducting quantum computations.

It is my understanding that they never will achieve quantum computation the way that they are thinking now.

The reason why I say that ethereum is the closest thing we currently have to a true quantum computer has to do with the consensus algorithm. When Ari Juels developed the “proof of work” consensus algorithm in 1999 with the Cornell team I don’t think that even they fully appreciated what was happening.

It is precisely this consensus algorithm which makes the crypto currency networks that use these algorithms quantum machines.

This is also the reason why the other “classical” isolated quantum machines built by private companies will never achieve what they set out to do.

It is my firm understanding that we will recognize DLTs (distributed ledger technologies) with specific types of consensus algorithms as the true quantum networks in the future.

People just haven’t fully figured it out yet, but they will. And once they do then we will really start to understand what’s happening. Mark my words.

>> No.17011078

>>17011036
I'm starting to believe more and more that some scriptfag has started to use some AI to post random generations to biz.

Why would anyone come to biz to talk about quantum computers? And why would he think he has a better understanding of cryptography than Ari Juels? WTF does Ethereum have to do with quantum computing? All of this is so nonsensical it has to be the work of an AI...

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>>17011036

>> No.17011292

>>17011169
I think OP actually is very smart, he's just using an AI for his posts that is slowly improving. Unironically it is using these post responses to learn.

>> No.17011339

>>17011292
it's mathematically impossible for biz to have higher than 70 mean iq you fucking brainlet

>> No.17011364

>>17011339
And you're proving that you're below that average

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>>17011078
>Why would anyone come to biz to talk about quantum computers?
Dumb question
We talk about cryptography here
What do you think the bleeding edge of quantum computing is?
>hint: cryptography

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>>17011292
>he's just using an AI for his posts that is slowly improving
There is no such thing as AI
The problem with modern scientists is that they make the mistake of thinking that “computation” is the end all be all, so to speak.
They can’t fathom that it’s a bigger problem than just how much or how fast you can compute.

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>>17011490
Bonus question for the smart anons in this thread:
Why do you think currency and cryptography are so inter-related? Particularly in the context of the rise of “cryptocurrencies” aka DLTs, why are DLTs such a revolution when it comes to the concept of currency?

Bonus boner question:
Why are DLTs such a better alternative to traditional currencies (fiat or otherwise)? And do you think it will lead to a separation of state and the issuance of currency in the same way that the church and state were separated in the west?

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>>17011036
>So let’s talk about how Ethereum is the closest thing to a quantum computer that humanity has so far.
everyone is so focused on the financial aspect of things and while that is definitely important, the underlying physical basis of these networks is the reason why they are so valuable

The ethereum network is a distributed global computer, with the network using the "proof of work" consensus algorithm to mint new tokens. Keep in mind that consensus in the network is arrived at by many different nodes operating all over the globe in a "simultaneous" manner.

Keep in mind time-zones and latencies when conceptualizing this network in your mind.

This is why these kinds of networks are valuable.

This is also why there is so much misinformation in this industry (particularly with nomenclature). It is my understanding that due to the financial focus of this new DLT technology that we are missing the forest for the trees, so to speak.

Because of the confusion in language, terminology, and nomenclature, we fail to understand that these networks are the true quantum computers that we've all been talking about.

The private corporations that are trying to build a black box quantum computer in their labs are unable to achieve true quantum processing. This is because they fail to appreciate the subtlety involved in having continuous quantum coherence without de-coherence talking place when you "read" and "write" to the computer.

What the US government has done with the invention of DLT is a stroke of genius. They purposefully don't call these things "quantum networks" and instead label them "cryptocurrency" so that most people will brush it off as a gimmick and nothing more than gambling. Meanwhile, this technology is how the US and their allies will ensure world supremacy for this next century.

Chainlink of course is the next step in the evolution of quantum networks. And of course /ourguy/ Ari is involved.

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>>17011644
>The private corporations that are trying to build a black box quantum computer in their labs are unable to achieve true quantum processing. This is because they fail to appreciate the subtlety involved in having continuous quantum coherence without de-coherence taking place when you "read" and "write" to the computer.

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>>17011036
>ethereum is the closest thing we currently have to a true quantum computer
OP is absolutely retarded. See picrelated.

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>>17011078
>And why would he think he has a better understanding of cryptography than Ari Juels?
not a "better" understanding
rather a "different" understanding
I come from a background in semiconductors, nanotechnology, optics, nuclear, and high voltage/high frequency electricity

Ari of course has another skillset; my skillset doesn't diminish his, and his skillset doesn't diminish mine

These kinds of general purpose technologies (DLT) require a multi-disciplinary approach.

>> No.17011723

>>17011686
So you believe staking LINK is the path to becoming a financial elite?

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>>17011680
>ethereum is the closest thing we currently have to a true quantum computer
>OP is absolutely retarded
ruminate on what I've written here instead of opening your mouth
you're embarrassing yourself

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>>17011723
>So you believe staking LINK is the path to becoming a financial elite?
of course
we have or will have each been tested, specific to the individual, and vetted during our initiations

don't believe me?
watch this:
https://youtu.be/ZRcpnM26nJM

K: Yes, sir.
Interrogator: Recite your baseline.
K: "And blood-black nothingness began to spin... A system of cells interlinked within cells interlinked within cells interlinked within one stem... And dreadfully distinct against the dark, a tall white fountain played."
Interrogator: Cells.
K: Cells.
Interrogator: Have you ever been in an institution? Cells.
K: Cells.
Interrogator: Do they keep you in a cell? Cells.
K: Cells.
Interrogator: When you're not performing your duties do they keep you in a little box? Cells.
K: Cells.
Interrogator: Interlinked.
K: Interlinked.
Interrogator: What's it like to hold the hand of someone you love? Interlinked.
K: Interlinked.
Interrogator: Did they teach you how to feel finger to finger? Interlinked.
K: Interlinked.
Interrogator: Do you long for having your heart interlinked? Interlinked.
K: Interlinked.
Interrogator: Do you dream about being interlinked... ?
K: Interlinked.
Interrogator: What's it like to hold your child in your arms? Interlinked.
K: Interlinked.
Interrogator: Do you feel that there's a part of you that's missing? Interlinked.
K: Interlinked.
Interrogator: Within cells interlinked.
K: Within cells interlinked.
Interrogator: Why don't you say that three times: Within cells interlinked.
K: Within cells interlinked. Within cells interlinked. Within cells interlinked.
Interrogator: We're done. "Constant K"... you can pick up your bonus.
K: Thank you, sir.

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>>17011980
It should already be 'Constant K', if you know what i mean.

>> No.17012023

Sorry, I didn’t notice the 42 in your post ID, otherwise I would have disregarded this thread for the schizophrenic nonsense it is.

Good luck with your mental illness. Have you tried any medications? Or don’t like that they take away your mania?

>> No.17012053

>>17011644
What is the relation to quantum computing then? I had a theory the hashing power being built with bitcoins network would be the brainpower for an advanced AI

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>>17011980
>Interrogator: Recite your baseline.
you think those android boxes and smart TVs in your home can't scan you for emotional responses like that device in the Bladerunner clip?
>hint: they can

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>>17012053
>What is the relation to quantum computing then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_work
specifically the consensus algorithm

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>>17012023
>Sorry, I didn’t notice the 42 in your post ID
I forgive you
>>17012023
>otherwise I would have disregarded this thread for the schizophrenic nonsense it is
nevermind

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>>17011980
>we have or will have each been tested, specific to the individual, and vetted during our initiations
it ain't easy, but nothing worth doing is ever easy

>> No.17012222

>>17012071
I’m not a techy, but quantum computers is to process multiple states right? How does PoW do this?

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>>17011644
>The ethereum network is a distributed global computer, with the network using the "proof of work" consensus algorithm to mint new tokens. Keep in mind that consensus in the network is arrived at by many different nodes operating all over the globe in a "simultaneous" manner.
>Keep in mind time-zones and latencies when conceptualizing this network in your mind.
>pic related
Bonus point:
I always find it funny when people argue about the shape of the earth but never mention timezones when it comes to the earths geometry.
Goes to show how little people know about the nature of reality

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>>17012222
Nice digits
PoW consensus algorithm mirrors the way in which quantum states decohere
Many “observers” come to a consensus via “observation operators” on the superposition of a quantum state
I’ll give you a good example:
“What’s the block that were hashing now”
“They call this block “2020”

In much the same way, only one viable block (aka one reality) collapses out of many possibilities (superpositions) during the process of mining

>> No.17012582

Thanks 42, I always enjoy your posts. Don't listen to all the haters

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>>17012013
>'Constant K'

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>>17012558
>>17012222
>“What’s the block that were hashing now”
>“They call this block “2020”
Nevin has a good tutorial on exactly how PoW works
https://youtu.be/63_mn5LUo74

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>>17011036
JESUS
FUCK
YOU
ARE
STUPID

>> No.17012654
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>>17012623
>FUCK
>YOU
>ARE
>STUPID
anon...i...i'm sorry...the brain tumour...it's terminal...

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>>17012582
>>17012596

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>>17012582
>Thanks 42, I always enjoy your posts. Don't listen to all the haters
based

>> No.17013011

>>17012682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Q3cp3cp88
>Strange video&lyrics.

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>>17013011
>he's a man on a mission
>got a serious mind

>> No.17013228

>>17013213
>He said, "Stop what you're doin', get down upon your knees.

>> No.17013272
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>>17013228
>"Stop what you're doin', get down upon your knees.
https://youtu.be/36np176rqnE

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>>17012523
>I always find it funny when people argue about the shape of the earth but never mention timezones when it comes to the earths geometry.
>pic related

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>>17013445
*tick*
*tock*
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mVWd1aLiYZQU8VvYFBnW8kxodeYim3bYDIFfh-w42eU/pub

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>>17013445
>people argue about the shape of the earth but never mention timezones when it comes to the earths geometry

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>>17013462

>> No.17013538

>>17011036
>When Ari Juels developed the “proof of work” consensus algorithm in 1999 with the Cornell team
Stopped reading right there. What the actual fuck are you talking about? Fucking hell, I got lured into something that sounded interesting then you shoehorned that faggot kike into it.

>”The concept was invented by Cynthia Dwork and Moni Naor as presented in a 1993 journal article.[1] The term "proof of work" was first coined and formalized in a 1999 paper by Markus Jakobsson and Ari Juels.[2]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_work

Do you know how to read, linkoid? As you can see, you’re a fucking liar and a shit one at that to lie about something so well known verifiable. That paper wasn’t even spearheaded by him, he just piggy backed off Markus. Ari Juels doesn’t even have a Wikipedia entry but Markus does. When will you fags learn that your rebbitor lies just don’t fly around here? Stop shilling your goblin charlatan kike.

>> No.17013583

>>17013538
I replied before even opening the thread. I have stepped into shit a digital turd unfortunately, a 42 thread. Yeah like I said, giving something a marketing name that already existed is not ‘inventing’ it. Take your fucking meds you literal schitzo, even the other linkoids don’t like you. Imagine being that low.

>> No.17013628
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>>17013538
>Ari Juels doesn’t even have a Wikipedia entry but Markus does.
Everyone who matters has to be on wikipedia. There is no chance whatsoever that someone important with connections doesn't have a wikipedia. I am a totally free thinker.
t. you

p.s. you're a fucking faggot and you should rope yourself.

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>>17013538
>Ari Juels doesn’t even have a Wikipedia entry
and that's exactly why he's important
you know that he was head of the RSA Security Labs and their chief scientists right?
he worked on Pokemon Go and a multitude of others things
learn how to connect the dots and read between the lines

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>>17013583
>I have stepped into shit a digital turd unfortunately, a 42 thread
you keep stepping into these threads and then putting your foot in your mouth
do you like the taste?

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>>17011292
>he's just using an AI for his posts that is slowly improving
So little faith

>> No.17014530

>>17013628
>>17013762
>>17013783
How are you coping with the fact that Ari Juels didn’t have any hand in the development of PoW though? Entertain me please, your responses will go in my collection. Go on.

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>>17014530
>Entertain me please
Spoken like the true zoomer filth you are
The mantra of your life is that of the slaves:
“Everyone should pay for my existence, I shouldn’t have to pay for my sins.”

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>>17014530
>Ari Juels didn’t have any hand in the development of PoW
Patently false:
“The concept was invented by Cynthia Dwork and Moni Naor as presented in a 1993 journal article.[1] The term "proof of work" was first coined and formalized in a 1999 paper by Markus Jakobsson and Ari Juels.[2]“

>> No.17014676

>>17014530
You're a retarded fucking nigger. Shut the fuck up. His name was on the paper. Ipso facto he had a hand in the development.

Stop wasting everyone's precious fucking bandwidth with your retarded drivel of an argument and attack the central thesis.

>> No.17014742

A few questions

Is the time distributed consensus is the basis for what you are calling quantum computing?

Wouldn't atomic clocks predate this by a longshot?

Why would this distributed ledger have anything to do with what gets dicks hard about quantum computing? There's no way for them to solve qbit algorithms, so wouldn't that make them de facto not quantum computers?

What do you mean by 'understand what's happening'? This is a statement so vague there is basically no meaning. Happening in regards to what? What is the significance?

>> No.17014773 [DELETED] 

Big brained discussion up in this biyaatch.

>> No.17014829
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>>17011556
>Why do you think currency and cryptography are so inter-related? Particularly in the context of the rise of “cryptocurrencies” aka DLTs, why are DLTs such a revolution when it comes to the concept of currency?
Lack of a central authority.

>do you think it will lead to a separation of state and the issuance of currency in the same way that the church and state were separated in the west?
Yes. Read "The Sovereign Individual". Predicted all of this shit.

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>>17014742
>Is the time distributed consensus is the basis for what you are calling quantum computing?
time is one variable
the method by which proof of work miners come to a consensus on what is the true block is a direct parallel with the way in which a superposition of potential quantum states collapses (decoheres) when an observer operates on the quantum superposition by interacting and measuring it in some way

>>17014742
>Wouldn't atomic clocks predate this by a longshot?
atomic clocks track time via radioactive (nuclear) dynamics, which have quantum features in and of themselves

>>17014742
>There's no way for them to solve qbit algorithms
they're coming to a probabilistic consensus via a globally distributed computing grid comprised of nodes and the features of DLTs', namely immutability and encryption, are what the aims of quantum computers are (cryptography being the biggest application)

>>17014742
>What do you mean by 'understand what's happening'?
I'm referring to the fact that cryptocurrency is the sequel to the manhattan project in the sense that they mislead the public by labelling it "cryptocurrency" instead of the actual technical term of "quantum network/computer" which is what ethereum already is

What I'm saying is that this whole thing is a government/military project and MMORPG games were the first roll out of these kinds of tests/trials
I'm not joking. Steve Bannon was running Chinese gold mining farms in the early days of WoW.

All of those games, especially WoW, were used as data mining and statistics goldmines where entire treasure troves of human/social models could be simulated and played out in real time and then applied later in real life.

Don't believe me?
Imagine this scenario:
>We have a new "quest" for you
>Take your GF to the movie theatre and watch a movie
>Bonus side quest: buy popcorn, drinks, and candy
>Win social credit score points and be awarded for being a model citizen
don't go out or be anti-social and they punish you

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>>17014995
>Imagine this scenario:
>We have a new "quest" for you
>Take your GF to the movie theatre and watch a movie
>Bonus side quest: buy popcorn, drinks, and candy
>Win social credit score points and be awarded for being a model citizen
>don't go out or be anti-social and they punish you

>> No.17015011

>>17012558
Wasn't it enough to say that more states get calculated and then only one emerges as the solution? You're overcomplicating

>> No.17015016

>>17014829
>Lack of a central authority.
precisely
no one can double dip in the honey pot and game the system to their advantage since, by its very nature, no single entity is in control of the network and therefore cannot manipulate

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>>17015011
>You're overcomplicating
figures are more helpful
https://youtu.be/KKr91v7yLcM

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>>17015010
https://youtu.be/WTbbSZg4A3k

>here's a bonus video just for you
https://youtu.be/V5QHzdVEdCA

>> No.17015052

Itt: idiots who think they are clever using words they don't understand to convince themselves and others that bagholding Ethereum isnt a massive blunder

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>>17015052
>think they are clever
>think

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>>17015039
what did they mean by this?
>pic related

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>>17015039
good 2nd video too
picked up this book recently

>> No.17015145

>>17014995
Why are MMOs and social experiments related to distributed consensus networks -- beyond arbitrary stuff like 'MMOs are distributed'?

How could you utilize these things as a method of societal control if they are decentralized and controller-less by their very design?

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>>17015145
>Why are MMOs and social experiments related to distributed consensus networks -- beyond arbitrary stuff like 'MMOs are distributed'?
pokemon go was another extension of this type of system
I'm not saying that MMOs or pokemon go are quantum networks but rather that those were applications developed in collaboration with the military (look at the show "Person of Interest") or read Ari Juels' book Tetraktys where they talk specifically about MMORPGs

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mfw detectiveanon shows up again
>>17013538
>>17013583
>>17014530

>> No.17015239
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>>17015190
The military is run by incompetent retards

https://www.military.com/off-duty/2019/10/11/why-think-tank-puts-teen-girls-command-military-operations.html

You expect me to believe they're behind this? With your largest source of evidence

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>>17015239
>You expect me to believe they're behind this?
all technology is first military use then commercial/enterprise/retail use afterwards
that's always how it goes

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>>17015062
"You ever just wanna fuck an Anime Bitch?"
https://youtu.be/na9EWgqhb5w

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>>17012059
>>17011980
>Interrogator: Recite your baseline.
>you think those android boxes and smart TVs in your home can't scan you for emotional responses like that device in the Bladerunner clip?
>hint: they can

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>>17012523
>>17013445
>>17013462

>> No.17015593

>30 posts by this id
Do schizoposters know they are schizoposting?

>> No.17015742

>>17011036
I see DLTs or Blockchain as a foundation for future AI or neural networks.

Not so sure about your quantum computer theory.
On a lower scale quantum computers are defined by quantum mechanics and not by binary computation like Eth.
I also think there is a key component missing at the moment.
More efficient algorithms and advancement in physics may be also needed.

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>>17015742
>I also think there is a key component missing at the moment.
same

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>>17014664
>>17014676
>>"Patently false"
>>>"“The concept was invented by Cynthia Dwork and Moni Naor as presented in a 1993 journal article."
>crtl+f Ari: 0

Are you actually this fucking retarded? Did you just get BTFO by, yourself?

>> No.17015885

>>17015100
Name and author? I'm reading Lectures on Ancient Philosophy by Manly P. Hall. Highly recommend. Sheds light on a lot of occultism and the esotericism of exoteric religions like Christianity for example.

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>>17015885
>Name and author?
https://theionpublishing.com/shop/underworld/
>>17015885
>I'm reading Lectures on Ancient Philosophy by Manly P. Hall
a lot of people are telling me to read that

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>>17015880

>> No.17015961

interesting ideas, man. i think that quantum computation and blockchain technology will one day be connected, most definitely if blockchain tech is to be secure. it's interesting to speculate the future of these things and the way they may be working together. it's extremely important that we do contemplate and express our ideas or the technological application may never be explored. an interesting time to be alive indeed

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>>17015928
I've mentioned it to you before..

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>>17016076
https://youtu.be/ypJHCm0Omao

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BTC was almost a quantum computer BUT BLOCKSTREAM KILLED TULIP THE AI THAT LIVED IN THE BLOCKCHAIN. THEY KILLED IT WITH SEGWIT!!!!!! ETH is our only hope now, the AI will be more active after ETH 2.0

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>>17011036
42 what do you think of Kleros?

>> No.17016755

>>17011339
nah

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