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Long story short, I listened to /biz/ and decided to buy gold, and ended up buying like $12k worth of gold bars from someone on an online forum. I live in Pennsylvania and he lives in Oregon. All the info I have on him is his name and address. Is there anything I can do or am I fucked? Will the cops even give a shit?

>> No.16963592

>he fell for the real gold not paper gold meme
should've trusted the jew enterprise with years of experience instead of some innawoods nazi scammer

>> No.16963598

>buying from some shyster on an online forum
>not buying from a reputable dealer like apmex or jmbulion
You deserve this

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>>16963598
He has fucking receipts he sent me that looked legit

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16963675

Please /biz/ do you have any advice?

>> No.16963677

>>16963608
Bitch gold is easy as fuck to fake. It's different from buying silver secondhand because that isn't profitable to fake unless you buy shit like 100 oz bars.

>> No.16963700

how'd you pay? where'd you meet them? cops won't do shit.

>> No.16963703
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>>16963677
So what the fuck do I do now?

>> No.16963715

Keep on booming on Boomer.

>> No.16963718

>>16963583
just tell him you will sue and talk to the police you've got lawyers ready

he'll probably get scared and giveu the money back

>> No.16963721

>>16963703
Either payback or take the L

>> No.16963723

rekt

>> No.16963733
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>>16963700
I paid using PayPal gift. He shipped them to me

>> No.16963741

>>16963733
where are the bars now?

>> No.16963748

>>16963733
all you can do is contact paypal and tell them he scammed you and report him that way so they might be able to refund you

but im pretty sure, since you gifted the money, you're fucked.

take this as a 12k lesson, dumbass.

>> No.16963754

>>16963733
>I paid using PayPal gift.

I got scammed buying a video card doing this.. was the money in your Paypal balance? Paypal won't help. If it was a transfer from your bank or a CC you can call them and they'll reverse it.

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>>16963741
In my possession. I've actually had them for like a year and a half, but I just found out they were fake because I sold two and the dude contacted me and told me they're fake

>> No.16963788

>>16963767
yea ur fucked dude

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>>16963788
How so? What if I report him to the police and FBI? I have his name and address

>> No.16963805

>>16963796
Then do that, fuck you doing on here? Report him, especially if ur in the US.

>> No.16963814

>>16963767
a fool and his money will soon be parted

>> No.16963817

>>16963796
imagine believing the scammer gave you his real name and address. kek

>> No.16963824

>>16963592
Oy Vey. Nazis are the ones scamming Heritage Americans out of money!

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>>16963754
Do you think they can do a reversal if it's over a year later?

>> No.16963835

>>16963583
>from someone on an online forum.
Imagine trusting ebaumsworld

>> No.16963841

>>16963826
You need to take more initiative, man. Start contacting authorities and the involved financial institutions. Nothing will get done if you don't demand it.

>> No.16963849

You guys dont really believe this, right?

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16963855

Realistically, what are the cops or the FBI does anything? I feel like $12k would make it a big case for them


>>16963835
It was a gold and silver forum and the guy had good feedback

>> No.16963859

>>16963855
*chances

>> No.16963875

This seems like a larp but still contains a valuable lesson for the rookies out there new to the rock scene. Be sure to buy from reputable dealers. Cash and carry is the way to go. If you buy online, buy from apmex or jmb or the like.

>> No.16963882

>>16963855
>I feel like $12k would make it a big case for them
You're trying too hard
>>16963733
>I paid using PayPal gift.
Another dead giveaway of a shite LARP.

>> No.16963923

>>16963817
That's what I was thinking. This is prob a larp anyways. But why would he think that's this person's real name or address?

>> No.16963953
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>>16963824
muh white brotherhood

>> No.16963955

learn how he did it and scam someone else to get your money back

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>>16963875
>>16963882
Fuck you, it's not a larp. I don't know how I'm going to pay rent next month. I planned on selling one

>> No.16964048

>>16964030
Did you buy this shit from Asia?

Dude you're fucked beyond salvation, go get some knee pads

>> No.16964062

>>16963817
>>16963923
Even if the dude straight up gave him his real name and address, there isn't shit this dumbass can do. How the fuck would he even prove that the guy sold him the gold, if it was online? Not to mention they're on opposite sides of the country. The cops will probably laugh at in OP's face

>> No.16964063

>>16963767
Just sell the rest.

>> No.16964086

>>16964030
This is absolutely a LARP. No one drops 12k to some stranger on a forum

>> No.16964109

>>16964086
The forum has a feedback system and he had like 40 positive trades

>> No.16964121

>>16964109
Damn your LARP is weak, 40 isnt even shit

>> No.16964180

>>16964086
>>16964121
So you're telling me a fucking scammer sold legit goods to people for years, then decided to scam me?

>> No.16964212

>>16963955
Kek. Just become the scammer, OP

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>>16963841
be honest OP, were you the type of smug retard that talked bad about crypto and thought buying physical metal was a better investment?
youre not the only retard i met who buys physical gold instead of etf's

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>>16964272
This is literally the first gold I've purchased. I bought some because I kept seeing threads on here, and the prices of metal kept going up.

Realistically, will law enforcement care at all about $12k, or is that not worth their time?

>> No.16964309

>>16964180
yes dickhead. its called burner accounts to pump his own reviews. he basically bought shit from himself waiting for a guillible fuck like you to waltz in and fall for it. Why didnt you just be a normal consoomer and buy from an actual establishment in the real world? you deserved it desu. people like you dont deserve money.

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>>16964306
>I kept seeing threads on here, and the prices of metal kept going up.
yeah, and i used to spam those threads saying you fuckers were morons for not just buying Gold ETFs in the stock market, and you all laughed at me saying im a moron, that physical is so much better. ANd i even would shill doing crypto instead

whose laughing now?

>> No.16964347

You could sue him.

>> No.16964415

>>16964309
to add on this. How many accounts do you think he has that he's done this for over the years. to a scammer like him its worth the time and money considering he scammed you for 12k on one account.

>> No.16964429

>>16963675
call the fucking police, retard

>> No.16964438

>>16963733
>I paid using PayPal gift. He shipped them to me
lmao what a retard

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>> No.16964456

>>16963796
This is a larping faggot.

>> No.16964494

>>16964030
does it have chocolate inside? i bet its delicious.

>> No.16964573

>>16964456
>>16964494
Whatever. Fuck you guys

>> No.16964616

>>16964573
try scamming some other sucker for $12k with your "gold"

>> No.16964647

>>16964573
Break the bar in half with some pliers and post pics, I don't believe you.

>> No.16964729

>>16964647
I tried to cut it and break it in half, but I couldn't, so I gave up. It's extremely hard

>> No.16965385

>>16963767
You're a fucking brainlet lmao

>> No.16965611

>>16964729
how do you know it's fake

>> No.16965617

>>16963767
oh, lol.

did you contact the guy who sold them to you?

>> No.16965624

>>16963583
Dude only buy from reputable dealers like APMEX and JMBullion. Stay away from Ebay and all other shit.

>> No.16965658

Link to the forum or larp

>> No.16965729

>>16963583
Fucking retard, why didn't you buy it in a shop, but from A STRANGER ON THE INTERNET? You are fucked by your own retardation

>> No.16965953

>>16965617
Yes. No response. I have his name, address, and cell

>>16965729
Like mentioned earlier, it was on a forum and he had good feedback

>> No.16966229

>>16965953
have you considered the possibility that the gold is real and your buyer is trying to scam you?

no, never crossed your mind?
you're not smart enough to own property, my friend. You need other people to own it for you.

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>>16966229
What the fuck do I do? The dude I sold it to said he's going to get the feds involved. If it's word against word, how the fuck do I prove I'm innocent?

>> No.16966258

>>16966247
cooperate with the feds would be my guess. You won't go to prison but if it turns out to be fake you're going to lose your moneys.

in the meantime I'd take that shit to a pawn shop, coin store, or jeweler and have them look at it. Just ask them to test it, don't be a moron and try to sell it to them. Tell them it might be fake.

>> No.16966267

>>16966247
>how the fuck do I prove I'm innocent?
that's not how it works in the US. You don't have to prove anything, the prosecution does.

>> No.16966276

>>16966247
She is so fucking fat holy shit

>> No.16966298

>>16966247
A quick online search indicates these bars are counterfeited extensively. You need to get them checked.

>https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/counterfeiters-target-1-ounce-gold-pamp-bars.html

>https://coinweek.com/bullion-report/counterfeit-gold-silver-beware-fake-pamp-suisse-gold-bars/

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>>16966247
You can probably tell just by the thickness of the bar.

pic related is a fake next to a real bar.

the fake is much thicker than real gold. Post an edge shot of your bar and /biz/ can argue about whether or not it's real.

>> No.16966336

>>16966330
From the pic, it does appear to be fake

>> No.16966352

>>16966336
I'm sorry to hear that.

the fact that it's not in a blister pack is a bad sign as well.

I would go to the local cops and file a report immediately giving them all the info you have including that you accidentally sold one. I would ask your buyer to return the item for a full refund to avoid that problem. Tell him you've already filed a police report but he can as well if he wants.

if they're fake you learned an extremely expensive lesson. I'm sorry this happened to you.

>> No.16966370

>>16963583
Never buy gold from anyone except a reputable company that has thousands of reviews like apmex or jmbullion, they aren't going to have prices that beat spot price idc how much of a deal they say they offer. You are going to have to contact the police and notify paypal.

>> No.16966405

>>16966336
Be aware at this point you're just covering your ass because the FBI is likely to investigate your motives in selling counterfeit goods.

if the buyer refuses to return the item at least save your email exchange showing you offered the refund.

you need to file a police report not to get your $12k back, but to avoid prison.

The money is probably gone, but you've got bigger problems now. You need to not go to prison for getting ripped off. You need to talk to the cops asap. If you've sold more than one of these you need to contact buyers after you verify that the bars are fake. The loss of investment is now your second biggest problem after selling counterfeit goods as real.

>> No.16966419

>>16966405
>the FBI is likely to investigate

lmao

>> No.16966448

>>16966419
I mean if he refuses to refund the money or can't because he spent it already.

they're not going to kick his door in or anything, they'll just send local LEO's to arrest him and take his phony money and computer/phone/typewriter/whatever.

Knowingly selling a fake at spot prices for one ounce across state lines is federal felony fraud iirc. Of course the feds are going to investigate. Especially since OP isn't going to be hard to find.

>> No.16966463

>>16966405
Dude, the fbi doesn't have time for this shit lmao. Maybe if it was 100k

>> No.16966470

>>16966463
it would take all of 10 minutes of their time because all the ground work will be done by local cops.

>> No.16966500

>>16966470
You think local cops would take the time to follow a dead lead? What evidence do they have to arrest anyone? You either watch too much law and order, or you're underage

>> No.16966510

>>16966500
I'm talking about OP, not the person he bought from.

presumably the feds won't be able to find the person he bought from and even if they did the statute is expired afaik.

>> No.16966516

>>16966510
What is OP guilty of? Selling counterfeits isn't a crime if "you didn't know"

>> No.16966524

>>16966516
>Selling counterfeits isn't a crime if "you didn't know"
exactly, that's why he needs to talk to the cops and let them know what happened. Find out how to fix it.

the courts would have to prove OP knowingly sold a fake, but if he doesn't do anything to reverse the transaction or inform the police it's going to look like fraud.

>> No.16966563

>>16963583
Hey OP, I will buy your fakes. $150 for everything. Email me

>> No.16966591

>>16966563
you can buy as many as you want online, they sell for $35 each.

>> No.16967023

>>16963767
>>16963583
I told 1000 times to brainlets here that PMs are a meme in our industrial era.

Look at this shit

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20200124030813&SearchText=gold+bar

There is a reason why gold is sold in plastic boxes with a certification but even that is not enough in our era.

BTC is the new gold.

>> No.16967120

>>16964429
Snitching faggot. This is a crypto board. Don't give into the glowniggers and local popo.

>> No.16967249

Ive never bought fake bitcoin