Minimum Wage Should Be $24/hr

[Anonymous No.16943196]

If worker pay had kept pace with productivity gains since 1968, today's minimum wage would be $24 an hour.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/21/if-worker-pay-had-kept-pace-productivity-gains-1968-todays-minimum-wage-would-be-24

[Anonymous No.16943207]

look at the cost of living in Australia. you don't want high minimum wages

[Anonymous No.16943212]

whole economy is rigged

[Anonymous No.16943232]

>>16943196
Minimum wage does three things:

1) Increase unemployment among the lower classes
2)Causes greater inflation
3) Incentivizes companies to hire illegals under-the-table for less than minumum

Notice how none of those things are "increase standard of living for the worker?"

[Anonymous No.16943241]

>>16943232

if a job doesn't provide a living wage, the government shouldn't subsidize that business owner maintaining his exploitative business.

jobs should benefit society, not exploit it. if you can't live on the wages of that job, that job shouldn't exist

[Anonymous No.16943246]

minimum wage should be $100/hr
you can't prove me wrong if you disagree i'll call you a bootlicker and i will win the argument

[Anonymous No.16943253]

>>16943246
Neoliberal retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOqtl53V3JI

[Anonymous No.16943256]

>>16943246

marx advocates for the abolition of wage labor not raising the minimum wage

[Anonymous No.16943266]

>>16943256
>>16943253
lmao bootlickers

[Anonymous No.16943287]

>>16943241
>gov't shouldn't
>jobs should
>job shouldn't
Quite a bit of useless unsubstantiated assertion of imperatives based upon nothing but your feelings here. No surprise. Commies are emotionally driven creatures.

[Anonymous No.16943296]

Reminder that Yale estimates between 11 and 33 million illegals are just hanging out, sucking up all the low skill/low wage work.

And nobody, not even Trump, has done fuck all to reduce that number.

[Anonymous No.16943298]

Why is New Hampshire so based in that sea of progressive retardation

[Anonymous No.16943305]

If an employer can afford to operate on fewer workers wouldn't they have already reduced staff? It's sloppy buisness to have more people than you need and corporate America has already made minimum wage jobs very lean. It's really medium wage jobs where they can cut the most fat. I don't think a wage increase would lose many mcjobs

[Anonymous No.16943311]

We are going to be replaced by robots. It is essentially a system, so we get to design it. Part of that is a guaranteed income, a reverse income tax if you will. Crypto is ready to be a part of it. Its coming, they are preparing. So don't believe the cunts that say it can't/won't work. It is going to happen, adoption is a matter of timing.

The first nation-state to adopt bitcoin will push the price to astronomical levels

[Anonymous No.16943316]

>>16943298
Their state motto is literally Live Free or Die.

Their license plate has a dude with a gun, if I remember right.

[Anonymous No.16943322]

>>16943287

all corporations and businesses exist with the consent of the government, idiot

we live a democracy. therefore we have a say in what the government should or shouldn't allow

[Anonymous No.16943327]

>>16943296
And Obama did anything? He was allowing refugees to come here and giving money to the Saudis. Let's face it: It doesn't matter who is president both the GOP and the Dems fuck the whole country over. It's the banks and the kikes that we have to worry about.

[Anonymous No.16943342]

The benefits to the economy of everyone having enough money to spend far outweigh your bullshit inflation arguments, rich people just say that shit because they are greedy kikes who delight in watching everyone else suffer. go fuck yourselves

[Anonymous No.16943446]

>>16943296
He's trying to stop the flow of them first is what it looks like and I'm not a Magatard. The wall is being built and he actually got Mexico to secure their own borders to from people from other dirt poor countries. Makes sense, if you just deport them with no strong barriers, they will just come back easily.

[Anonymous No.16943464]

>>16943327
>It doesn't matter who is president

Nah, the right president could change this. Trump is just not the right goy for the job.

[Anonymous No.16943479]

>>16943446
Too late, we bought this economy and with it, millions upon millions of illegals. This one, with the 7-11s and roads all over and shit. This is the economy. Now, the corporations own you because you have no guaranteed income. The right goy could in fact fix this.

[Anonymous No.16943787]

>>16943327
obama deported more immigrants annually than trump

[Anonymous No.16943801]

>>16943232
can explain point #1 please?

[Anonymous No.16943815]

>>16943241
FEEL THE BERN

[Anonymous No.16943836]

>>16943241
Good thing I will be able to replace all my stupid workers with robots and if they complain I have waiting my whole life to get a chance to exterminate filthy normies, commies, parasites and shitskins.

[Anonymous No.16943865]

>>16943801

Say minimum wage is $10/hr, and you are a low IQ retard only able to deliver $8/hour of value to a business after all costs are accounted for. In this case you simply wont be hired, because no private business entity is going to hire a worker that is going to lose them $2/hour. Somewhere on the order of 30-40 million americans have IQ's below 83, which the US military considers too low to do ANY productive job (yes, even though its illegal for private industry to use IQ, the military has been using it for 120 years to great effect in hiring and sorting incoming soldiers)

[Anonymous No.16943902]

>>16943196
The people earning min wage will be pushed to a higher tax bracket, negating any gains from the wage increase.

The real winner is the government. They will get more money for doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.16943924]

>>16943256
Non-monetary compensation is still the same as wages.

[Anonymous No.16943926]

>>16943241
A great man believed very similarly many years ago. He galvanized the people with his words, outlawing businesses which exploited rather than benefited society, but the usurers & usurpers of international banking financially manipulated foreign politicians into raising arms against this great man and burning the prosperous nation of his people to the ground.

That great man's name was Adolph Hitler.

[Anonymous No.16943944]

>>16943865
What about 83 IQ retards who are running McDonald's grills and getting paid $15/hour? Or any shit job like that for matter? I live in MA and have found that as the min. wage goes up, entitlement goes up while work ethic drops. It's good for no one in the end.

[Anonymous No.16943994]

Minimum wage only affects small businesses negatively. Leftists that actually believe Amazon will truly get owned by a minimum wage increase are delusional. Realistically they will just start outsourcing and automating shit. Meanwhile the small businesses will all continue to take the hit. But let's be real that's kind of the goal of the marxists anyways so I don't think they care

[Anonymous No.16944004]

>>16943944
The only reason Massachusetts work ethic is dropping is because the retail workforce is entirely made up of Puerto Ricans and Dominicans rather than white teenagers with IQs above 95

[Anonymous No.16944014]

>>16943316
Nah, it's a mountain shaped like a dudes head but that mountain doesn't even exist anymore because the head fell off in real life. Sort of like how New Hampshire is essentially slated to stop being based by the year 2025 when the entire electorate is massholes and Hispanics

[Anonymous No.16944020]

I work my ass off to get pay increases and faggots keep getting the minimum wage increased completely offsetting everything I've worked for.

[Anonymous No.16944091]

>>16944020
Sounds like you need to get out of a minimum wage job then.

[Anonymous No.16944108]

>>16943232
Bootlicker edgelord repeating Koch brother propaganda

[Anonymous No.16944156]

Big Corporations LOVE minimum wage increases because:

1. They can afford to lose a bit of money while their small/middle size business competitors can't. Minimum wage hikes are in fact an excellent way to get rid of competition and form a monopoly.

2. Corporations don't even have to pay the price of higher minimum wages because they have the money and resources to install AI/Computer/Robots in place of workers (see: Mcdonalds installing computer Kiosks for orders) while a small restaurant can't and will close down.

[Anonymous No.16944158]

>>16943944

That just means that Mcdonalds is still getting more than $15/h of benefit from those workers. Larger, heavily systematized organizations have an easier time squeezing value out of work hours, and automatizing when wages are too high for profit. Also, these people are probably in the 85-100 range of IQ, as you still need basic math and reading skills to work at a McDonalds.

[Anonymous No.16944208]

>>16944156
Big Government LOVES minimum wage increases because:

1. Creating a small business is one of the strongest and most timeless methods of going up the economic ladder. Small businesses brought countless families up from the low ---> Middle ---> Upper class. It is what makes or breaks the middle class. *****Ease of starting/running small business is the indicator of a HEALTHY MIDDLE-CLASS DOMINANT ECONOMY. Small businesses are important because it is independent and compete with megacorporations, preventing monopolies. Increasing the minimum wage to ludicrous amounts only kills the small businesses while giving large corporate chain competitors a clear edge.

2. Closure of small/medium size businesses eradicates the middle class, creating a larger low income low class population dependent of big government welfare and minimum wage increases. Leftists promising welfare and government public service jobs will always win the elections and never lose. The nation will end up becoming a leftist run welfare plantation with happy slaves asking for more welfare while working at McDonalds.

[Anonymous No.16944226]

>>16943207
This. Ausfag here, i get $24hr but choose to live in a shit apartment and eat store pasta and tuna to fully dump savings in to investments

[Anonymous No.16944273]

>>16944156
>>16944208

In conclusion: Big corporations and Politicians pretend to be opponents but in reality they are allies working to erase the middle class and enslave the lower class.

1. "Liberal" politicians make all these labor laws that appear to be attacking the huge corporations and helping the common people, but in reality corporations with their cabinet of lawyers manage to get away with not following the laws and these corporations can afford to follow the law anyways. Meanwhile small businesses are killed by stronger labor laws and big corporations gain from the loss of competition.

2. "Conservative" politicians straight up just help corporations and the rich by massive tax and regulation cuts that barely help the middle and low class.

They are both on the same side.

[Anonymous No.16944285]

>>16943241
What hourly wage do you think is the cutoff for being unliveable?
How do you define unliveable?
How do you define a job that benefits society?
Do jobs exist primarily to provide for the employee, employer, or people purchasing a good/service?

Finally: If someone homeless is living on the street and can only find a job for $.10 under the "living wage" (seriously who tf determines what that even is?), do you beleive he shouldn't be allowed to enter a mutually accepted agreement and work for some business owner? Note: This wage will be enough to afford a room somewhere (i.e. $200 a month) and enough cheap food to survive.

[Anonymous No.16944325]

>>16943322
>people are too stupid/selfish to be allowed to decide what they agree to do amongst eachother.
>Also, they should be able to tell the government what they agree to do amongst eachother.

Also:
>we live a democracy.
Actually, we live in a representative republic. Almost zero true democracies exist. But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just speaking conversationally.

[Anonymous No.16944542]

>>16943865
How would you even be able to quantify someone's value like that based of an interview? Not to mention min wage jobs are literally sub 80 IQ jobs with no complexity and a static work routine.

Your idea about the US military using IQ is true. But people constantly rank higher and ace the IQ test for the military because you are allowed to study for it. Seriously, Google it. So this claim that the US sorts people by IQ is just completely inapplicable evidence because the results are skewed.

Go clean your room like a good boy Jordan Peterson fan.

[Anonymous No.16944662]

>>16944542
Iq Is the largest factor in determining outcome. People who are unintelligent, poor workers, do not usually produce high value in their jobs; they are easily replaceable and cannot advance further.

When you create a high minimum wage, you make it extremely difficult to make these idiots employable, because it's more efficient to automate than to figure out how to pay some dipshit $15 an hour to flip burgers

[Anonymous No.16944793]

>>16943836
don't get too emotional, don't be like commies

[Anonymous No.16944799]

>>16944325
it's democratic enough to be causing loads of utter horseshit (exactly due to reasons in your greentext)
I don't crave for more democracy and so should not you

[Anonymous No.16944804]

>>16944662
yep, those people should be put out of work, but what do you give them to spend time on then? probably the hardest nut to crack for commernism

[Anonymous No.16944909]

>>16944799
I'm assuming your the person I was replying to. Good job not replying to first reply.
Also, your ESL is really bad. I don't understand what your saying. Please rephrase.

[Anonymous No.16944931]

>>16943196
Can't wait to quit my rigorous regulation job to shoot the shit as a cashier in bumfuck nowhere

[Anonymous No.16944934]

>>16944273
One fights for the ideal, one is in the pocket of the companies. I never understood the “We shouldn’t do it because they’ll dodge it” argument. I needs to be done and then government needs to find ways to prevent them circumventing the law.

[Anonymous No.16944960]

>>16943241
>The world should be the way I say!!
Based commie

[Anonymous No.16945023]

>>16943232
Sounds like capitalism is flawed. Its simple, make every business non profit. Any excess profits go to the workers equally.

[Anonymous No.16945034]

>>16945023
wtf is excess profit, you dolt? How in the hell do you define that? Like, I want a percentage.

[Anonymous No.16945177]

>>16944226
We all do too you idiot. That is typical and expected in usa except usually making 12$

[Anonymous No.16945187]

>>16944285
It's clearly defined that you any individual shouldn't be spending more than 30% of ones paycheck on rent. But minimum wage means a minimum of spending 60-70% on rent. Because that's the cheapest price available.

[Anonymous No.16945690]

>>16944091
I make $25 an hour. I started at $12.50 an hour 5 years ago which is now less than minimum wage in my city. Now faggots like OP want to make my wage baseline for every nigger working in KFC.

[Anonymous No.16945737]

>>16943232
>1) Increase unemployment among the lower classes
This has been disproven.
>2)Causes greater inflation
This has been disproven.
>3) Incentivizes companies to hire illegals under-the-table for less than minumum
This doesn't even make sense, since they have to report payroll taxes and will get audited if they try anything stupid.

[Anonymous No.16945964]

>>16943196
There's a huge flaw in that claim: the productivity gains have not been uniform.
In some businesses, productivity gains have been enormous. But productivity gains in most businesses have been much lower than average.

[Anonymous No.16947012]

>>16943196
Fuck a minimum wage. Let the market dictate your wage you fucking worthless cucking incel

[Anonymous No.16947022]

>>16945690
You are getting fucked too, you just don't realize it.
You don't mind being paid less than you're worth, because those below you are suffering more.

[Anonymous No.16947337]

>>16945737
most retarded shit I've ever read

where's the proof this has been disproven? most people who are habitually poor are so because their labor is not worth very much. if you raise the minimum wage, all you're doing is erasing the labor worth less than that.

Greater inflation is a problem. show me where it's been disproven retard. last I checked, every economy theory from Keynsian to Austrian suggests that if you give lots of people lots of money the value of that money's gonna fucking drop retard

As a senior accounting major with a focus on taxation, it's very difficult to report under-the-table workers. if 25-50% of the workforce is under the table, it'll be really hard to find. If they're audited they can just fire the workers dude, they're disposable like that. most people who hire illegal immigrants as workers don't get audited straight away and don't face repercussions.

[Anonymous No.16947352]

>>16943196
Okay, then let’s emulate the conditions that made that possible back in the day.

[Anonymous No.16947392]

>>16947022
If you're making $20/hr then you've agreed your worth $20/hr. If someone offers you $25, then that's what your worth. You literally can't be getting paid "less than what your worth" in a free market. If you were you'd just switch employers and magically get what you are worth from someone else. Can't find a place that pays more? Then your labor isn't worth more. It's very simple.

[Anonymous No.16947416]

>>16947392
>know you're worth more
>wont get hired for desired amount because it's cheaper to train up a newbie or immigrant for 5 bucks less an hour
>if they cause problems they get canned and hire someone else
That's how it actually works

[Anonymous No.16947467]

>>16947416
I'm actually 100% with you on the immigrant part, that needs to be addressed.

[Anonymous No.16947531]

>>16947467
Yep, not to mention my dad is doing as you said, but he is about 47 and has no retirement fund because he had to move jobs so much just to barely make shit work.

[Anonymous No.16947562]

I really need to jump to another job now that min wage is creeping up. I make 50\hr currently and do financial analysis. I will seek 65\hr

[Anonymous No.16947599]

>>16947562
Analyze THIS
>*farts*

[Anonymous No.16947654]

>>16943196
Welcome to global trade. If you want $.50 tshirts, someone has to work for $7.25.

[Anonymous No.16947703]

>>16945690
>waaaaa I wouldn't feel special anymore waaa my retarded wagecuck job makes me feel waaaa waaaaa

Wake the FUCK up retard, so easily manipulated.

[Anonymous No.16947732]

>>16947654
I dont want 50c tshirts, they only last like a week before they get holes and shit in them. Besides, nobody is making them by hand, it's all automated.

[Anonymous No.16947742]

>>16943196
$200/hr

[Anonymous No.16947803]

>>16947337
>zoomer faggot thinks his incomplete college education gives him the ability to speak on anything with authority
Neck yourself

[Anonymous No.16947836]

>>16944934
My argument is that the Liberal politicians do this in purpose knowing that the labor laws will kill small businesses and help the big corporations. They are in the same bed

[Anonymous No.16948255]

>>16945737
>they have to report payroll taxes
>"Gosh gee Mr. Cohen, but we cant be dishonest!"