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16863064 No.16863064 [Reply] [Original]

How many anons signed up for the CT?

>> No.16863077

>>16863064
Not retarded so not me

>> No.16863084

>>16863064
I reserved a tri-motor for $70k
It was only $100 and I except a bull market before it gets released late 2022

>> No.16863140
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>>16863064
>Slanted bed frame
It's for show-off suburb cucks, right? No way actual trucking people would like this overengineered SUV tank.

>> No.16863192

>>16863140
>suburb cucks
If that is what you call people who throw some skis and luggage in the back, sure.
But it will still dominate the f150 on the road by size, weight, torsional stiffness, handling, acceleration, efficiency and emissions.
At least you have the electric f150 to look forwards to.

>> No.16863201

One of the earliest resverations. Dual motor for me. $1 PNK and I’ll tell Elon to make it Tri Motor.

>> No.16863205

>>16863140
“Trucking people”

No...just no one would show up to a construction site in something that looked this retarded and whose windows break if something bumps into them.

Stick with ford, Chevy, or Toyota if you want a truck to use for actual work.

>> No.16863222

>>16863201
Why not put the long range with Dual Motor?
The extra weight of the tri motor seems to work against the extra battery size.

>> No.16863229

>>16863222
Idk I’m not an engineer. Just a PNK investor.

>> No.16863234

>>16863140
It needs it because the truck has no frame

>> No.16863242

>>16863192
What's with tesla fanboys and electricity boner? Fuck electric.

>> No.16863261

>>16863205
If that thing had a FLAT side bed. It would be a good truck. But it does not..so into the trash it goes

>> No.16863277

>>16863242
You hear all that noise and feel all that heat and see all that stuff that comes out of the exhaust on an internal combustion engine vehicle?
That's wasted energy.

Give me electric any day. It beats that fossil shit any day.

>> No.16863311

>>16863064
too poor and I don't need a truck.
If I was a millionaire, then I could justify the price-tag of a tesla. I would love to have one

>> No.16863335

>>16863277
Yeah just wait several hours every time you run out of juice. Or pour some more gas and drive. Tough choice I see.

>> No.16863338

>>16863242
>electricity boner
Whatever the tech, when you make something that weighs the same as the F250 and takes a second off the 0-60 time its pretty obvious which is the superior vehicle.

>> No.16863364

>>16863064
Illegal in Europe thanks to the glorious European Union and their shilling for EU-only cars.

>> No.16863371

Imagine trying to reach over the side of the bed to grab tools/groceries/etc.

>> No.16863387

>>16863277
Lemme guess, you like getting pegged?

>> No.16863388

>>16863335
>Yeah just wait several hours every time you run out of juice.
I used to think like this too till I did a 600 mile drive to France.
If you drive long enough to empty a petrol tank, you will want a rest.

Longest stop I took was around 30 minutes though so if you hit up a supercharger which were at most service stations I stopped at, you will get back up to 80% by the time you're done resting.

>> No.16863397
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I'm autistic and whatnot, but I don't understand the symbolism of masculinity that comes with car culture. How gas vs. electric comes to symbolize maleness vs. beta-maleness, a notion which both sides readily play into.

>> No.16863403

>>16863242
>Pays (((them))) for gasoline
Never gonna make it

>> No.16863418

>>16863192
I bet your nut sacks get cook up from the emfs

>> No.16863422

>>16863064
The demographic this is targeting just completely fails when you account who trucks are catered towards. Trucks are used by middle to lower middle class Americans making 40-70K USD either in construction or they live somewhere where the roads are rough like in Alaska or the mountains of Colorado. People who tow heavy things are going to be doing it in places like farms and backroads far from the city where electric charging stations will not be available like little gas stations will be. The tesla car makes sense, it's a better and more efficient way to drive around the city and is way better in terms of efficiency, The truck is absolutely ridiculous.

>> No.16863428

>>16863222
Checked. How many miles do you reckon the dual motor + long range will get you?

>> No.16863435

>>16863277
You do realize that electric is FAR worse on energy usage than gasoline right? The energy density of even the best batteries is like...5% of the density of an equal amount of gasoline.

>> No.16863450

>>16863387
Love it actually

>> No.16863474
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>>16863335
You know the new Superchargers take 15 minutes for a full charge on something like a Model 3, right? Or 5 minutes for around 75 miles.

And that's only for when you're doing long road trips when you would be stopping for food and piss breaks which would take that long anyway.

Most of the time it takes 5 seconds to recharge. The time it takes to plug in when you get home. Then you forget about it.

>> No.16863483

>>16863064
Tesla stuff sure looks like the future, but I doubt it really is. Its like that retarded hyperloop thing where they put your car in a little tube.

Just build a fucking subway system you dumb asshole. A billion little tubes with everyone's individual cars is infinitely more expensive, difficult and dangerous than just a fucking train.

>> No.16863486

>>16863403
Imagine being white and supporting trendy toys made to increase the sex appeal of ((( global warming ))) climate change agenda. Hope you enjoy your onions burgers and 80% tax rates to save the planet.

>> No.16863502

>>16863474
piss breaks normally take me less than 2 minutes, and on fill-up my range increases by ~300 miles. they will have to do better than that

>> No.16863523

>not buying a rivian t1 instead
ngmi

>> No.16863524

>>16863422
The demographics is seattle, san francisco and los angeles

>> No.16863527

>>16863064
>No instrumentation, its all on some fucking Ipad glued to the dash.
>Solid metal body that will be fucking expensive to replace if damaged at all
>All these super specific parts like the mono-headlight which will literally only be available from tesla, for a premium price, and then never again once they lose interest.


This car is dumb. And once it starts to fail, its gonna fail catastrophically. No slow decline where it remains mostly functional and thus usable. Nah, its gonna fucking die. That screen is gonna go out and you'll just be fucked.

>> No.16863533

>>16863435
You realize that to refine gasoline you need electricity that would be more efficiently used just charging EV batteries, right? Sounds like you're pwned by oil companies and all the war and inherent corruption that goes along with them or something. EVs are a no-brainer at this stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpX-9OyEr4

>> No.16863534

>>16863474
Yea the superchargers do charge really fast. Tesla cars are great for city driving. No oil, timing belts, coolant, alternators.

>> No.16863544

>>16863502
Look at Tesla's recent patents. ;) Ever wonder why their Roadster that comes out in a year or two has a range of 610 miles?

>> No.16863549

>>16863422
Name is misleading, it's not a truck for the group of people that you mentioned that traditionally use those because they just make sense in their line of work/ in their particular area. They're not the target market. It's a cyberSUV that screams status symbol.

>> No.16863557

>>16863524
I don't think that many commies will buy a truck, Even for loading lumber and things for construction I can see this being extremely inefficient. I like tesla cars because they make sense and work well, Probably the best innovation to the car market in a long time. It wouldn't even be that bad if it wasn't for the design, It actually hurts my eyes.

>> No.16863564

>>16863474
>BUT BUT BUT IF YOU USE THIS ONE SPECIAL CHARGE STATION, IT WILL ONLY TAKE HALF AN HOUR!!!!

Yeah great, I can reroute my roadtrip 100 miles so I can hit one of these things. Cool.

>> No.16863589

>>16863397
the chad "does whatever he wants" retarded alpha male vs the overly concerned beta male

also gas cars are loud which i think have a lot to do with it

>> No.16863603

>>16863557
I can see techies picking up a fleet for the sole purpose of mogging construction trucks

>> No.16863630

>>16863486
Supporting the fossil fuel industry is a good thing? I think we found a Texas oil tycoon here.

>> No.16863631

>>16863486
Tesla, basedbois, and politics aside using electric power when available is obviously better than using gasoline because there are far more sources available which makes it cheaper. Everybody is getting fucked from both angles because no matter what we do we all lose. Either we pay out the nose for (((gas))) or they claim lower gas usage is hurting companies and jobs so we have to pay more (((taxes))). The ONLY option is to gas the fucking kikes once and for all, but that will never happen at this point.

Just because lefties want something doesn't mean it's bad, it just means they (being retards) will go to stupid lengths to make sure it's implemented

>> No.16863641

>>16863533
The post I'm replying to talks about wasted energy. I'm specifically talking about the energy densities of a battery vs the energy density of gasoline. That is to say, the amount of energy stored within both. Gasoline has a far higher energy density than an electric battery. This is a fact, a pure and simple fact of physics. Allow me to quote.

>"Stored energy in fuel is considerable: gasoline is the champion at 47.5 MJ/kg and 34.6 MJ/liter; the gasoline in a fully fueled car has the same energy content as a thousand sticks of dynamite. A lithium-ion battery pack has about 0.3 MJ/kg and about 0.4 MJ/liter (Chevy VOLT). Gasoline thus has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery. This difference in energy density is partially mitigated by the very high efficiency of an electric motor in converting energy stored in the battery to making the car move: it is typically 60-80 percent efficient. The efficiency of an internal combustion engine in converting the energy stored in gasoline to making the car move is typically 15 percent (EPA 2012). With the ratio about 5, a battery with an energy storage density 1/5 of that of gasoline would have the same range as a gasoline-powered car. We are not even close to this at present."

So at the moment, Gasoline, despite being hugely inefficient in its conversion to mechanical power, is still more efficient as a fuel, pound for pound. That was all I was saying.

>> No.16863711

>>16863631
>or they claim lower gas usage is hurting companies and jobs so we have to pay more (((taxes))).
That’s like saying we should stop Smart contract development because it will take out jobs and industries and we as a society will have to pay more in taxes.

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>>16863589
Same goes for drivers shitting on cyclists as unmasculine (pic related).

>> No.16863811

>>16863641
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but it's kind of irrelevant to most people.

It's got to the point for the vast majority of people that EV batteries are capable of holding enough energy for the vast majority of their journeys. And storing that energy in batteries gives those people the opportunity to become independent from energy distribution companies completely (by charging their EV from their own solar panels on their own roof). Most people who actually own EVs report that the range anxiety that they perceived before purchasing the vehicle turns out not to materialise at all.

If you're some red neck who drives 500 miles every single day of his life then, sure stick with gasoline for a few more years.

I'm talking mass markets. Average users. Battery densities are increasing by between 5-8% year on year, and that doesn't include some innovation expected this year - see Tesla's Investor battery and drive train day in the next month or two for details.

And for regular long range drivers, I think we're about to see a jump from around 250Wh/kg to >400Wh/kg energy density in the next year or two. That's the point at which electric aircraft become viable too! ;)

>> No.16863845

>>16863811
I mean, here's the issue with that: If you want to appeal to the mass market who is just traveling around in cities...why not argue for mass transit? Surely an electric subway or bus system is more ecologically and financially reasonable than everyone buying an individual car?

>> No.16863858

>Imagine indirectly supporting wars in the middle east that tie the western world into a perpetual state of war that costs thousands of western lives, just so you can pay the drilling merchant instead of charging your car up for free at home from energy gathered from your land
I know there are drawbacks to being an early adopter, but the sooner we reduce our reliance off Oil the better

>> No.16863866

>>16863631
Im pretty sure all the eletricity comes from from gas and coal power plants etc, no way theres enough solar panels to cover the grid. Its just a loophole to virtual signal status cuckry, oil will continue to drip regardless but now you get double taxed.

>> No.16863868

>>16863140
I'm not much of a truck guy but I want one because it looks fucking crazy. We're in the year 2020 for fucks sake, we could and should be full on sci fi mode, but instead you faggots are on twitter.

>> No.16863877

>>16863866
>Im pretty sure all the eletricity comes from from gas and coal power plants etc
Yeah, the majority does, though there are people who have sunk like 10k into solar power that are charging their cars at home.

>> No.16863879

>>16863868
Wrong timeline fren

>> No.16863895

>>16863422
Most of the trucks on the road are not driven by construction workers, our country dwellers. They're driven by American retards who want a big car because they're retarded. At least here in Texas, I would say 1/10 of the trucks I see is driven by an individual who is obviously using it for work, most of the time it is basic bitches who suck at driving and are leasing a "muh big truck :DD" FOR $300/mo like a good goy

>> No.16863900

>>16863858
The United States has no reliance on Mideast oil, we became oil independent in 2016

We are oil exporters now

>> No.16863911

>>16863502
The end game is to have your battery be something you don't even own, you'll pull up take out your battery, put it on charge, take fully charged battery and go.

>> No.16863957

>>16863900
Those guys over there know they can act up and fund Hezbolla, Daeysh and all types of fuckery because of the Oil money. as long as they are drowing in oil and oil money, they will start shit. And the Israelis will forever pull you guys back in.

>> No.16863977

>>16863895
You kind of skipped his point though. its not that people don't really need the trucks, its that in the remote areas petrol is more available.

Though when you realise that you can literally charge your car anywhere you can find an electrical plug, then you realise that there are way more sources to charge an electric car than petrol stations.

>> No.16864025

>>16863977
ideally I hope we will have efficient electric cars in the next 10 years. Even then, I would still want a reliable petrol car in my garage.

>> No.16864054

>>16863858
Lmao not realising that the whole world is basically addicted to petrochemicals which are used in every way and in almost any product imaginable. Go ahead. Delete gasoline from that equation. It doesn't change the fact that there are thousands of products that require special chemicals that are produced from oil and are used in countless applications everywhere. In fact the applications are so many and so vast and so widespread it's hard to find a comprehensive list. Even in your room there will be hundreds of elements or the whole objects that are made of them. You can turn 100% electric and you'll still be petrochemical addict like everyone else and maybe not even realising how big one at that. Research what kind of products that you use do NOT require petrochemicals. Your mind will blow.

>> No.16864086

>>16863064
Yeah, seemingly the only option currently. Will use it for camping, bicycle tours and to trigger baby boomer and normalfags. Since I have like 3 completely separated 400V sockets available, I can care less about charging time at home. Since it got a big enough bed, I will just load up a small emergency generator for very long journeys, but who knows it is not even out.

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>>16863911
>Removable batteries

You realize electric car battery packs are fucking massive right? They're a huge part of the car. How the hell are you gonna switch that out? Are you assuming the batteries are just gonna get a fuck ton smaller? Because there are physics issues with that.

>> No.16864137

>>16863711
Yes that was my point

>>16863866
There is also hydroelectric, solar, steam, etc. If the entire point is to convert various forms of matter into pure energy why would you want to limit yourself to one or two sources? For vehicles that need mechanical movement gasoline might make more sense but for everything else it's retarded to just rely on only gas and coal

>> No.16864168

>>16864054
>research Petrochemical in our everyday lives
Spoonfeed. Now

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>> No.16864244

>>16864168
Plastics are the big one everyone knows, but rubber, paint, cosmetics, fertilizer, fabrics, adhesives, carpeting, etc. Chances are you're wearing clothing that is at least some part synthetic fabric made of petrochemicals. Your food is transported and stored in them, your appliances are made of them, your house is filled with wires and pipes and fittings and such all made out of or coated in them.

Turns out naturally occurring long chain polymers are useful.

>> No.16864265

>>16863077
fpbp

>> No.16864271

>>16864192
Kill yourself.

>> No.16864286

>>16863868
fucking normie boomer you must go back

>> No.16864309

>>16864244
>Even the tires on the Cybertruck need oil to work good.
Fuuuuck I've been redpilled on dino juice and I don't like it.

>> No.16864320

>>16863527
>implying richfags care about any of that

LOL dumbfuck tard go cry on /o/

>> No.16864363

>>16864137
Its bad when they create an artifical crisis to force everyone to pay massive premiums to fit thier green agenda. Germany had massive black outs because they shut down all the coal plants to meet cuck paris accord agenda.

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>>16864168
https://www.ranken-energy.com/index.php/products-made-from-petroleum/

Fossil fuels are in everything.

>> No.16864375

>>16863084
Based

>> No.16864383

>>16864320
Here's the thing: if you're rich and you want to sink 100k into some gimmicky piece of tech for the RL reddit upvotes it gives you, fine. That doesn't somehow make the tech actually good or valuable or reasonable or even likely to succeed. I remember people making this exact "Argument" about shit like google glass.

>> No.16864422

>>16863064
>talking to roommate
>he’s a huge Tesla fanboy
>I don’t think they’re a bad, I’m just always skeptical over any hype
>”bro the CT is gonna be the most sold vehicle ever”
>what makes you say that? It doesn’t really focus on the truck culture demographic or the usual Tesla demographic
>”bro it already has 100s of thousands of preorders”
>yeah but the preorders are $100 and fully refundable
>”you don’t get it man, you’ll see”
Why are Teslites like this? It’s like Rick and Mitty. I WANT to like the product, but the fan base kills me

>> No.16864471

>>16864244
>>16864367
Thank you for the Petropill frens

>> No.16864535

>>16864383
Apples to oranges, man.

>> No.16864538

>>16864471
I'm actually amazed you didn't know. If you deleted petroleum based anything from your home you'll be left naked in an empty cave. You wear this stuff, you eat in this stuff, it's in your medicine, you wash yourself with it, you walk on it, you sit on it, you can't even take a flu shot without it because disposable syringes....you get the idea.

>> No.16864635

>>16863845
Mass transit is much harder to do well. Nobody actually likes public transport unless they use it because of no parking where they are going. In Tallinn Estonia where I live, we have public transport that's free. I still take the car, although I gotta say it's very convenient when you dont have a car. But in a country like America where you have spics, niggers and what not, taking the public transport is so pleb tier. Of course we have russians here, but they usually stick to their shitty parts of the city.

>> No.16864697

>>16864422
Because they bought into the hype, but have little to actually show for it. Its much the same as how there are hard core Apple adherents who will pay any price for the newest apple product because they've been convinced apple is the "future". Tesla markets itself as futuristic and special and cutting edge and smarter than the others, and people want that image for themselves. It's essentially the yuppie techie west coast version of those beer ads that show bikini models. And since they've invested themselves in that brand image, taking it as their own, any attack or skepticism of the brand is equated to an attack or skepticism of themselves.

Here's some facts: Tesla sells far FAR less cars than literally any major manufacturer. Tesla's total sales since 2012 are 891,000 units. Compare that to Ford (2,284,425 in 2019), Toyota (2,085,206 in 2019), Honda (1,450,985 in 2019) Nissan (1,227,973 in 2019) or even another small, high end brand like Mercedes-Benz (352,129 in 2019 alone). They have sold less units in 7 years than these others have sold in one. Its a luxury brand of niche cars and it will probably never be anything but that because that is the branding they want. Its never gonna be a ford or toyota or Kia that some shlub shuttles around his kids or lumber with. That would ruin the image, the exclusivity of it.

>> No.16864765

>>16864635
Here's the thing though: Thats only the image of mass transit because of how terrible mass transit is right now. Its so bad that the only people who use it are people who don't have a car. But in places like New York or Montreal its so ubiquitous and widely used that people don't have that aversion to it.

I'm not saying its an easy sell, I'm saying if you actually care about the good of the planet or the reduction on the use of fossil fuels or whatever, thats the option you should be pushing. Everyone having their own little electric car is still a lot worse for the planet than a good system of mass transport.

Then again, you can make the exact same argument about the mass transport of goods across the country. Clearly a good network of trains is far more efficient than paying hundreds of drivers to shuttle individual boxcars worth of goods across the country. But changing that would mean changing a lot of the infrastructure of the country.

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>>16864697
lol they absolutely rape their competitors sales wise, you're just comparing econoboxes available world wide to luxury cars which until recently could only be purchased in the US. This is just as bad as saying "apple is dying" when the reality is all the android sales are simply people (usually third worlders) who can't afford iphones.

>> No.16864941

Huge Tesla fan here. Own a model 3 performance I post about in threads from time to time. After getting rear ended by a nog with no insurance and seeing how the authorized body shops are complete scammers and how Tesla won’t stand up for you as a customer, I caution everyone to think twice about buying a Tesla now. They’re an order of magnitude better engineered than anything else in existence but holy fuck does the company treat its existing customers like worthless pieces of shit. I’m this close to canceling my cybertruck and roadster preorders. They’re turning loyal customers into enemies because they refuse to take ownership of their flaws and inconsistencies and even go as far in assisting body shops in insurance fraud. And Elon jus became a few billion richer off the back of customers who got poorly build vehicles

>> No.16864949

>>16863311
The truck is on the cheaper side, same price as f-150

>> No.16865032

>>16864857
See, this here is another example of manipulating statistics for your own viewpoint.

Tesla sells more of any of its individual models than other brands sell of any of their own individual models. That's true. However, Tesla only has a very small number of models to sell where as other companies have dozens of models they're currently selling. So yes, the tesla model 3 sold more than the BMW model 3. However last year BMW sold 324K units while tesla sold 195K.

Also to put this in even harsher perspective, BMW's Q3 2019 profits were reported as 1.5 billion, which they considered a slow year. Meanwhile tesla reported a Q3 2019 profit of 143 million dollars with record high sales. Which means BMW, which controls a relatively tiny portion of the market, made 10 times what tesla did and considered it mediocre.

So you can brag all you want about unit sales of some specific model but it doesn't change any of the facts.

>> No.16865135

>>16865032
lol cope all you want. Combine all the saloon sales (e.g. 3+4+5+6+7) and the model 3 comes out on top. Sure if you include the suv sales they don't, but there's a "model y" now which will inevitably dominate the suv sales, the truck will dominate the truck sales etc eventually they'll be something cheaper which dominates the econobox sales.

Profit means nothing obviously when they're growing at such an insane rate, think of amazon making a loss until recently. You're probs the sort of person who mocked them for losing money with just the model s when they were expanding production for the 3.

No one cares about whatever irrelevant shit you sprout off, the cars already dominate the cars in their price range/body styles, the cars which come out in different bodystyles e.g. truck and suv will inevitably dominate their price ranges, everyone knows it which is why their stock price is so high. Ask people 5 years ago what the best selling luxury saloon would be and literally no one would have said the model 3.

It's the iphone of the 2020s, cope or accept the truth it doesn't matter.

>> No.16865228

>>16863140
the primary audience isn't truckers. this is basically the rich man's suv.

who the fuck wouldn't wanna show up to their kid's school in this shit? truckers don't need a tank. it's very clear who they are marketing to

>> No.16865234

>>16865135
>No one cares about whatever irrelevant shit you sprout off

Ah so profit is irrelevant, sales numbers are irrelevant, and market share is irrelevant. Alright.

>lol cope all you want
I don't honestly care. I have no loyalty to any car brand. I'm stating facts.

>> No.16865318

>>16865234
Profit is irrelevant cause tesla is expanding incredibly rapidly. It could be making a loss (like amazon did for years) and it wouldn't matter

You're being incredibly misleading. They massively outsell their competitors, even if you combine all the models which might cannibalise each other e.g. all the bmw saloons. Tesla isn't competing with the attainable bmw suvs since it doesn't have a competitor out yet, but there is no reason to expect it won't dominate as hard as the model 3 has.

If the sales were static you'd have a point but they've gone from literally who tier 10 years ago, to niche high end luxury 5 years ago to by far the most popular luxury saloon today. What about 5 years, by far the most popular luxury saloon, luxury suv and truck? 10 years ahead, by far the most popular econobox with everyone else miles behind?

It's the way its going with no one els emaking a viable competitor yet.

>> No.16865448

>>16863335
Boomer detected

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>>16865318
>Profit is irrelevant cause tesla is expanding incredibly rapidly
They're expanding rapidly but you have no idea where they'll end. No company can expand forever.

>They massively outsell their competitors
They don't. They outsell individual models but as a brand, they're far below others. Here is the data.

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>>16865695
And here is a market share graph.