Minimum Basic Income (Not UBI)

[Anonymous No.16643551]

A universal minimum income would force employers to pay fair wages for voluntary labor.

The global capitalist system, as is, uses the coercive economics to subsidize companies by allowing them to pay less than the fair wage for free labor.

Because people HAVE to work, companies can reduce wages to near-poverty levels. Their incentive is to exploit this property of wageslavery in an economy of coercion, hence they support immigration, union-busting, gerrymandering, lobbying, etc.

Because work is essentially coercion and not free labor, the economy steadily creates jobs (your countrymen) don't want to do, at wages below the cost of free labor.

Imagine an economy where no one had to work a job if they didn't want to- getting a small subsidy sufficient for basic life-support. In this economy no one would work a job they didn't want. A programmer could work on his passion project. Moms could stay at home with their kids. Etc....

Meanwhile companies would have to compete for free labor. People would still work at McDonalds and other jobs just because they would want more than an absolute minimum.

Instead, opponents of MBI (minimum basic income) will tell you it won't work. That the economy would collapse. Etc, etc., as the economy chugs along, destroying human creative capital and debasing civic ethics as well as the environment. In reality the MBI will be far less capital intensive and close the rich subsidy loophole.

Not to be confused with UBI, the MBI is not a subsidy to the already wealthy. It is a true social safety net and transformative device for leaving behind the economic amorality of the 2nd millennium.

[Anonymous No.16643589]

>the government can just print more money, guys

[Anonymous No.16643600]

>>16643551
I didn’t read your semantic hair-splitting bullshit. Neck yourself commie.

[Anonymous No.16643618]

>>16643551
>other people should be forced to provide goods and services for me so that I can live without working like a parasite

[Anonymous No.16643629]

>>16643600
Kek agrees. Commies must neck.

[Anonymous No.16643652]

>>16643551
>coercive economics
Otherwise known as reality. No one is obligated to feed you, worthless deadweight leftist.

[Anonymous No.16643668]

>>16643551
How about just necking the government. This way there would be no one to bribe or lobby.

[Anonymous No.16643908]

>>16643589
>>16643600
>>16643618
>>16643629
>>16643652
>>16643668

You're all junior-level intellects, manning the gun-towers and barricades of a dying way of life that was able, for a number of decades, to ride humanity like a work-mule.

The result of all this was not a flowering of human consciousness and potential but the destruction of the environment and crushing the human spirit.

Even if you morons were intelligent enough to perform the simple mathematics and research necessary to understand that a MBI would pay for itself in cash balance against the existing array of social subsidy benefits, it wouldn't matter. You're completely captured by your belief systems and unable to recognize that you are a product of the culture of coercion.You are, in effect, subsidizing wage slavery.

Spitting on your fellow citizens, forcing them into debt penury and bondage, to receive products which, under a MBI would still be cheap and widely available, makes no sense. You wallow in the self-debasement of your own immorality and immaturity.

Yang's plan is flawed and will not succeed this round, but MBI will eventually be adopted as the successor to wage-slave coersive capitalism. The first nations to make this transition will reap incredible advantages. Nations that don't will see their industrial base destroyed. For too long we have been held back and held down by misguided, ignorant folks such as yourselves.

[Anonymous No.16644041]

>>16643908
>schizophrenic ramblings intensify

[Anonymous No.16644051]

>>16643551
Nobody appreciates this advantage that corporate entities have over human beings which is that they can expand, contract, halt operations, or cease to exist as economic necessity dictates. They don't have feelings or basic needs the way humans do. Thus when you pit employer against employee, the employer inherently begins with a massive advantage which cannot be neutralized without eithet removing or satiating that suite of material needs that workers are subject to having to fulfill at any cost.

It really is fascinating to see the extent to which wageslaves will defend the inherently uneven playing field upon which laborers and employers come to negotiate terms on. Self-sabotaging in crabpot fashion to ensure nobody else gets 'free gibs' undeservingly.

I still don't gather what is substantively different between UBI and your MBI though. Any tax-funded UBI would hit the hyperwealthy hard enough that the $1k check they receive would be essentially negated anyhow.

[Anonymous No.16644059]

>>16643600
Based

[Anonymous No.16644066]

>>16643551
>>16643908
Take your commie blog posting elsewhere idiot

[Anonymous No.16644076]

>>16643908
>t. Pseudo-intellectual leftist academic who never worked a day in his life beyond canvassing for a local politican. Please tell us more about how the world works in your imaginary fairytale utopia

[Anonymous No.16644335]

>>16643551
>less than the fair wage
Let me guess, you know some really good guys who would, fairly of course, set the rate. In fact, perhaps these guys should get recompensed, fairly of course, for their efforts on behalf of the working class. Also, all who stand in the way of what is, of course, only fair, should be reeducated until they see the error of their ways.

>Because work is essentially coercion
hahaha, nice. Life is coercion. Ducunt volentem fata, nolentem trahunt.

[Anonymous No.16644660]

>>16643908
Holy fuck kys.

[Anonymous No.16644686]

>>16643600
How can one man be so based

[Anonymous No.16644723]

I agree with you, OP, but you're preaching to the wrong crowd.

[Anonymous No.16644762]

>>16644051
>I still don't gather what is substantively different between UBI and your MBI though. Any tax-funded UBI would hit the hyperwealthy hard enough that the $1k check they receive would be essentially negated anyhow.

The math works out differently than you suppose. Much differently. Not going to go into it here, but resenting, we are OVERpaying for public assistance. There is a veritable Galaxy of subsidies and aid programs, and the results are abysmal. A straightforward cost analysis between existing social security, Medicaid, and foodstamps, for example, is absolutely BTFOed by a simple cash payment.

Universal, and minimum are the key factors. Yang's plan gives people who already earning living wages a cash subsidy. Yang is using "basic income" language to sell a sort of reverse incone tax... I don't know what his strategy is exactly, but it sucks because multiplying the full population by the benefit creates a huge figure he can't justify financially or ethically. He's kind of a joke in this regard.

The number of people for whom the UMI serves would only be a fraction of that population number. Yang never addresses the coercion argument. I understand simplifying a concept to make it understandable, or expanding the benefit class to make it more popular, but he's losing because no one can understand justifying paying an engineer making $100k/yr an extra 12k. He might be good at "math" but this is terrible common sense.

The real benefit class size for a minimum income would come in somewhere between 40-80 million. Again, the cost savings in efficiency and bureaucratic consolidation will equal the can subsidy payment. The "real return" comes as unquantifiable future quality of life increase, and I believe, massive real value creation, minus the stigma, waste of public money and human capital destruction.

[Anonymous No.16644777]

>>16644762
I’m not reading this horse shit either

[https://curvy.ai/intro No.16645022]

>>16643551
>business and finances

Do the tutorial btw:
https://curvy.ai/intro

[Anonymous No.16645673]

Shills btfo, keep going OP

[Anonymous No.16645696]

>>16643908
>>16644051
Nothing but word salad and no argument as usual.

[Anonymous No.16645784]

>>16643908

[Anonymous No.16645794]

>>16643551
Pair it with sterilisation (preferably reversible) and I'd be down with it. If a few generations hopefully we'll have selected away the need for MBI.

[Anonymous No.16645902]

>>16645696

Basically, it amounts to a right to quit your job and not worry about losing housing/food/wifi.

Combined with free school and university you'd have to be a brainlet not to take that deal.

[Anonymous No.16645910]

>>16645902
>free shit

[Anonymous No.16645973]

>>16645902
where would the money come from for MBI?

[Anonymous No.16646023]

>>16643551
> A programmer could work on his passion project
Nah nigger it doesn't work. Just look at those fags doing home office. They dindu nuffin for the entire day. Coercion with a fair reward is the way. Maybe you could just call it incentive

[Anonymous No.16646031]

>>16643551
Make it so, number one.

[Anonymous No.16646053]

>>16645973
Look at the federal budget expenditures for Medicare / medicare, food stamps, social security, section 8, and sundry other benefit systems.

Divide by expected benefit pool on an annual basis. The quotient is less than one.

After ten years, coast savings are enormous, but the real transformation of society will create incredible surge in quality of life.

>>16645910
I'd recommend Ray Dalio's principles on youtube to anyone brainlet enough to question these economics based on their own self-interest or theory of zero-sum capitalism

[Anonymous No.16646069]

>>16645973
Look at the federal budget expenditures for Medicare / medicare, food stamps, social security, section 8, & other benefit systems.

After ten years, cost savings are enormous, but the real transformation of society will create incredible surge in quality of life.

>>16645910
I'd recommend Ray Dalio's principles on youtube to anyone brainlet enough to question these economics based on their own self-interest or theory of zero-sum capitalism

[Anonymous No.16646881]

>>16643668
Imagine actually believing this.