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[Anonymous No.16620633]

Fuck capitalism. Fuck capitalists. Fuck billionaires. Fuck CEOs. Fuck cops. Fuck reactionaries.

You think this bullshit thing where you can trade imaginary digital points in exchange for the means of production will continue much longer? Think again you fascist FUCK, we WILL seize the means of production

Reason:
>Through free associative production we will be much more productive
Think about it, how much more productive are you made by the fact that your boss and their boss and their boss and the CEO lord over you and control your actions? You are clearly made LESS productive and merely a better profit extractor for the company. We all know it

The communist revolution is coming so it's time to start planning for it. This thread is for post-capitalist business discussion. Yes, business WILL exists after capitalism dies, it will just be in a different form, a form of free associative production where anyone can do whatever work they want with whoever they want, and once our culture is transformed into a gift culture rather than a transactionary money based culture, into a culture with universal basic services provided to all regardless of beliefs, race, nationality, religion, or country of origin, humanity will finally reach its apex

[Anonymous No.16620646]

>>16620633
>we WILL seize the means of production
*OP hits bong*
"ahhh maybe tomorrow"

[Anonymous No.16620675]

[Anonymous No.16621039]

>>16620633
There’s a limited amount of food, oil, resources in the world. So how do we decide who gets what then?

[Anonymous No.16621047]

>>16620633
And most importantly
FUCK COMMIES AND THEIR WHORE MOTHERS

[Anonymous No.16621054]

Tl;Dr OP IS A FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.16621055]

>>16620633
>gift culture rather than a transactionary money based culture, into a culture with universal basic services provided to all regardless of beliefs, race, nationality, religion, or country of origin, humanity will finally reach its apex

But anon, I'm not a cuckhold like you.

[Anonymous No.16621061]

>>16621047
>Fuck Commies.

No, No, No, fuck commies results in more welfare babies. Fuck latinas.

[Anonymous No.16621063]

>>16620633
Capitalism and communism are both freemason concepts to play of the population againt one another. And even if you don't believe that, you're fucking retarded if you think communism has any merit. Unironically kys if you fall this hard for capitalism v communism memes. I can't stress it enough. Just KYS and do everyone a favor. You lack critical thinking skills necessary to form a political opinion. Only inbred brainwashed mongrels fall for this shit.

[Anonymous No.16621065]

>>16620633
And fuck jannies

[Anonymous No.16621070]

>>16620633

I can't wait for post revolution society. Working for the sole purpose to better my community and owning those means of production. It's going to be glorious.

[Anonymous No.16621096]

Aw yes the glorious wonders of communistic wealth redistribution

[Anonymous No.16621100]

>>16621070
>owning those means of production

you mean the government forces you to work a job the designate to you lmfao

[Anonymous No.16621111]

Don't you pajeets realize that communist countries have billionairs and completely unchecked police power lol?

[Anonymous No.16621122]

The future of western civilization isn't a nice white version of communism. Your country is going to be either like China Korea or india

[Anonymous No.16621140]

>>16621039
>limited amount of food

Not really, more than enough for everyone, even if production decreased by a lot. Just ban red meat and nationalize the farms in its production chain to produce a onions paste which is served for free at conveniently placed government dispensaries. Supply is such that it would not be possible for even the most corpulent Amerifats to exhaust it.

[Anonymous No.16621158]

>>16621140
Populations are skyrocketing at an insane pace. Even with there being plenty of food now it will be a huge problem in the next few decades probably.

[Anonymous No.16621167]

>>16621158
>Populations are skyrocketing at an insane pace.
No theyre not

[Anonymous No.16621190]

>>16621140
>ban red meat

If more of you ate good red meat and ingested less s0i there would be less commies in the world desu. Marxism is a mental disease and it can be cured either through education, activities that increase testosterone, and when all else fails little lead pills desu

[Anonymous No.16621193]

>>16620633

[Anonymous No.16621206]

>>16620633
ok thanks for the post tranny now you have to go back

[Anonymous No.16621215]

>>16620633
Unironically this, except capitalists will create communism for themselves.

[Anonymous No.16621240]

>>16620633
>Lazy NEET talking about communism

>>16621140
>Not really, more than enough for everyone, even if production decreased by a lot.

If production decreases, then food would be sourced from warehouses/silos. Did you even think before you typed out your idiotic post?

[Anonymous No.16621250]

>>16621167
Yes they are don't be a retard

[Anonymous No.16621256]

>>16620633
cringe

[Anonymous No.16621268]

>>16621240
You do understand this is a NEET board, right wagie?

[Anonymous No.16621275]

>>16621096
No wonder they all drink.

[Anonymous No.16621289]

>>16620633
Let me check it real fast
>Through free associative production we will be more productive
You mean like if you're free to choose where you work, where you live, what causes you give your money to, and if you're free to choose who you do business with? Sounds like capitalism m8

[Anonymous No.16621350]

>>16621289
No, under capitalism you have to work jobs that earn money. Under communism you can spend your life studying abstract concepts and contributing to human knowledge

[Anonymous No.16621361]

>>16621350
Who feeds the abstract thinkers? Who clothes them and builds their houses? How dow you know you will be a thinker and not a worker? Who decides this?

[Anonymous No.16621363]

>>16620633
>fuck natural selection, the weakest genes should be passed on
>that’s totally what’s best for our species and not just like my biased opinion because my genes are weak man
Smoke more weed faglord

[Anonymous No.16621370]

>>16621363
But you have weak genes.

[Anonymous No.16621371]

>>16621361
You decide it for yourself

If there isn't enough food for you you can go to the fields and help farm more, or grow your own garden

If you don't want to sit in a library all day reading books, you can enjoy working the machines in the field with your friends or building houses :)

[Anonymous No.16621375]

>>16621350
>t. factory worker who will enable thinkers to think

[Anonymous No.16621377]

>>16621363
Define weak genes. I'm physically not that strong, but I'm an engineer and I've contributed to complex machine learning systems which provide lots of value to capitalism, they would provide more value in post-capitalism though.

[Anonymous No.16621383]

>>16621370
I don’t have kids and I don’t depend on others to provide for me. If I’m unfit to provide for myself and my wife then I deserve to have my genes die off.

tips fedora

[Anonymous No.16621388]

>>16621383
Being unfit under capitalism does not mean being unfit under all relations of production comrade :)

[Anonymous No.16621397]

>>16621377
Obviously in our current environment intelligence is the most desirable trait. We need more intelligent people to solve our future problems and ensure our survival. Physical strength will not stop the sun from evaporating all water on earth.

[Anonymous No.16621399]

>>16621383
Don't worry, your genes will stay basemented here on 4chan for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous No.16621406]

>>16621388
It’s the closest we can come. All of you faggots know deep down that we’re not ready for communism yet and if you’re being honest with yourself you wouldn’t make the most of communism. You would indulge in as much hedonism as your limited government allowance could provide instead of focusing on improvement of our species

[Anonymous No.16621407]

>>16621397
Then how do you rectify common tropes that socialists, communists, anarchists, and left leaning people in general, are lazy couch potato NEETs, when in reality they're often highly educated, albeit sometimes in topics which don't directly relate to profitability (the enablement of surplus value extraction) under capitalism? Like philosophy or gender theory. These need to be studied by smart people but they make no money, and in fact they contradict capitalism

[Anonymous No.16621415]

>>16621399
What’s your name? I wanna see if Netflix has your stand up special

[Anonymous No.16621432]

>>16621406
This hits home and I know you're right, we aren't ready for full communism, but by "we" I mean "humanity as a whole"

Our consciousness has not transcended our current state of being in a way that would enable the common person to rethink their place in the dominant relations of production and find a way to contribute to humanity in a deeper and more valuable way than through non-associative labor

I say though that under full communism, even if we all worked exactly as much as we work now, things would be better. Think of all the intellectual property locked behind closed doors, and the wasted food thrown into dumpsters which could instead be stolen by homeless people. I can elaborate on this point but I think it's clear

[Anonymous No.16621450]

>>16621407
I have had lengthy conversations with these intelligent elite because I was also baffled by this. Their reasoning was they simply wanted the unintelligent out of their way i.e. less crime, less meetings that could be a few emails to everyone, etc. They are all people who have never accomplished anything of value. They are basing their potential outcomes off of simulations in their head instead of viewing real data. How has communism worked? In before China stoner bullshit argument

[Anonymous No.16621475]

>>16621432
You are right and this is no individual failing, I too would settle into a life of mediocrity under communism. We need to compete in our current stage of evolution. I doubt that we would be better off under any form of communism, but capitalism is undeniably not the long term answer.

[Anonymous No.16621501]

>>16621450
Communism hasn't worked and China is a horrible authoritarian state. Why are you assuming however that in order for communism to work in the future, it has to have worked in the past and on the first attempts? How many capitalist states stopped working or are currently not working? Plenty quite clearly. The failures of capitalism, and in addition the death toll of capitalism are always ignored because it's the status quo position, whereas communism is critiqued to the extreme because it's new, radical, and futiristic

I know for a fact that at some point in the future communism will work, because I know for a fact that the production means of subsistence can be almost entirely automated if we put enough effort into doing so, in the spirit of the pursuit of collective intellectual enlightenment rather than individual wealth extraction

Want to know how I know this? Because I've worked on large complexly engineered system, and through engineering methodologies like abstraction and encapsulation, arbitrarily complex control systems can be built, either computational or physical. Thus we can build a nearly fully automated farming and shelter production system, as well as automate healthcare, if we actually put effort into it. We aren't because it's not profitable for the status quo, who, due to their capitalistic nature, think in terms of short term quarterly profits rather than longterm human enlightenment

Don't sit here and tell me humanity can't implement communism, don't sit here and bullshit me on that point, because anyone intelligent and in fact all visionaries throughout history have known it can be done, yet throughout all human endeavors thus far the goal has been thwarted by reactionaries ego obsessed wealth seekers. No more, a communist revolution is coming, and this may sound scary, but it's important for humanity to base its new society upon ethical foundations

[Anonymous No.16621546]

>>16621501
>Communism will work because communism will work!

Good reasoning, genius.

[Anonymous No.16621553]

>>16621501
Communism will never work if non-whites are allowed in the country where it's implemented, because they have no self-control, over-breed, and tax resources no matter how much aid is given to them.

[Anonymous No.16621564]

>>16621553
You're just racist and haven't spent enough time living around non-white people. Mexicans for instance are really great people by and large, very hard workers, I respect them immensely and love my Mexican comrades. Black people are wholesome, fun, and hard workers. When they don't get the shit kicked out of their family line, they end up successful and strong contributors

Don't confuse a group of people's current economic conditions for the permanent conditions of their race, this is unjustified racism and it's entirely anti-intellectual.

[Anonymous No.16621720]

>>16621501
Communism will never work because you have to grant ultimate power to a group elites.

[Anonymous No.16621737]

>>16620633
>being allowed to make your own labors is the dictatorship

[Anonymous No.16621741]

>>16621564
If what you're saying was at all true, Africa and Mexico would be a good place to live. Instead they're so bad that lefties are saying they are REFUGEES not fleeing a war or natural disaster but REFUGEES fleeing the everyday life of living around each other.

[Anonymous No.16621750]

>>16621501
Lmao stopped reading after you claimed I assumed communism wouldn’t work in the future after I already said capitalism is not a long term solution and communism is.

[Anonymous No.16621756]

>>16621720
Not under anarchist communism where nobody has to do anything for anyone who they don't want to do it for, under any circumstances, and that means no money to artificially influence people into behavior patterns.

[Anonymous No.16621769]

>>16621737
UNDER CAPITALISM NOT ALL ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE THEIR OWN LABOR!

Don't you get it! Economic coercion through money, this entire idea of incentivizing through economic panipulation, results in people doing things they don't want to do

Nobody wants to fucking mow their neighbor's lawn, but they'd be happy to contribute to the success, strength, and knowledge, of the local lawn mowing (or ideally garden-keeping since grass lawns are an inefficient allocation of resources) club they freely take part in, because lawn mowing is legitimately fun when you do it when you want to, but not when you are made to do it. The same can be said of ALL labor

[Anonymous No.16621798]

>>16620633
Is this some amusing copy pasta or is a real pot head posting on biz right now?

[Anonymous No.16622071]

>>16620646

kek

[Anonymous No.16622154]

>>16620646
why is it that communists are always unemployed losers?

[Anonymous No.16622202]

>>16621158
Food production is not a problem. The problem is food distribution and waste. At all levels production, retails, and consumer, probably millions of tons of food is wasted.

[Anonymous No.16622293]

>>16621564
Mexicans and blacks being retarded is verifiable back to like 2000 years. Gheto niggers isn't a new thing

[Anonymous No.16622386]

>>16621769
Don't you get it!!!!1111
>Having to survive makes people do things they dont wanna do
Apparently you don't get it. If you make work optional, the vast majority of people choose not to work. This is the inherent flaw of communism.

[Anonymous No.16622397]

>>16622386
Then they fucking starve unless people give them free food or they grow their own. It's no worse than them living alone, except they have the option to contribute in other ways and still eat, so it's better

[Anonymous No.16622402]

>>16621769
>Nobody wants to mow their neighbor's lawn
>If you say its for the common good suddenly everyone wants to do it
That's gonna be a no from me. Doesn't work like that at all
>Results in people doing things they don't want to do
Like caring for someone not related to me by blood or friendship? Telling someone they must care for someone else's welfare at risk of violence from the state results in a lot of people doing things they don't want to do.

[Anonymous No.16622417]

>not realizing that communism is merely a vessel for the illegal drug monopolies
smfh

[Anonymous No.16622419]

>>16622397
Now compare it to Capitalism.
>Want to organize into a commune under Capitalism? You are free to do what you want on your own property
>Want to organize into anarcho capitalism under Communism? You are not allowed by the state to keep the product of your own labor.
The difference is in one situation, someone is forcing your cooperation under risk of violence.

[Anonymous No.16622425]

>>16622419
Not true, you can do that under communism fine, you can't do it under capitalism though because it requires taxes which you need the money of the state to pay, and you can't pay those taxes unless you play capitalism and make money

[Anonymous No.16622455]

>>16621070
You don't own anything, the nomenklatura does (who idiots like OP think they will be part of).

[Anonymous No.16622464]

>>16622425
>Comrade its time to help the old ladies by sharing your potatos
>I don't want to, this is an anarcho commune.
*Gets gulag'd
>Can't do it under taxes with Capitalism
Maybe because taxes are redistribution of wealth, like communism. I advocate for 0 taxes at all.
>I want to start a commune with all my lazy fuck communist friends
>As long as its on your land and you aren't hurting anyone or taking their things, 0 government interference.

[Anonymous No.16622494]

>>16622464
>>Comrade its time to help the old ladies by sharing your potatos
>>I don't want to, this is an anarcho commune.
If you want your own potatoes feel free to grow them YOURSELF without tools made from iron miners

[Anonymous No.16622495]

>>16620646
Lost! First post is truly the best one.

[Anonymous No.16622506]

>>16622495
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Consciousness expansion is essential to communism (: