seriously, what is mentally wrong with this guy? Watching his fireside chat he is clearly in need of some help badly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L_1LmdXVbw

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Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:38:12 2019 No.15942688 [Reply] [Original]

seriously, what is mentally wrong with this guy? Watching his fireside chat he is clearly in need of some help badly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L_1LmdXVbw

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:46:17 2019 No.15942735 >>15942688 This is actually normal behavior for Australians.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:47:39 2019 No.15942742 >>15942735 No it's not

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:50:44 2019 No.15942766 >>15942688 Imagine having an IQ of 180 and having to debate with 120 IQ plebs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:50:53 2019 No.15942768 >>15942688 He's an alcoholic boomer trying desperately to keep up in the modern world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:51:34 2019 No.15942775 >>15942766 Checked. Frustrating clown world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:52:49 2019 No.15942784 File: 91 KB, 1500x1000, https___d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net_production_67a1428d-634d-459b-8daf-1b11b7b07d10_FINAL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15942766 Is that why he is aging at such a rapid rate?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:53:34 2019 No.15942790 he can't even debate. all he goes is scream and yell saying 'i don't care' and goes to ramble on with things that have nothing to do with the debate. The guy is a lunatic

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:53:53 2019 No.15942791 >>15942688 because he's highly autistic and a fraud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 01:59:37 2019 No.15942829 >>15942688 HAHA >"Craig your just talking and repeating things" >interrupts him constantly and won't answer simple questions >Craig: "You don't have to like me, I don't care" >Can't explain what BSV does or how it differs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:01:41 2019 No.15942842 >>15942735 haha le based shitposters xDDD

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:03:33 2019 No.15942853 >>15942688 CSW absolutely crushed it. This is what hyper-competence in a specialized field looks like.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:07:02 2019 No.15942889

>>15942688
His opponent was completely reasonable; he was saying asking what could affect the value is not the same as saying you (craig) care what the value is, then craig just kept saying I don't care about the value. lmao he knows you don't care craig he wasn't asking that.

He seems to have excellent communication skills when he's calm, it's just when he thinks he's being attacked. I unironically think Craig's shit communication skills is what forced him to invent proof of work.
You ever been in a group project where one guy is heaps disagreeable but no one really understands what his objections are, then that guy ends up doing the whole project in a week rather than try to make people understand. You can't argue with proof of work, you can't deny Craig's work.
he seems to make it harder than it needs to be though

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:08:21 2019 No.15942896 >>15942784 He’s not that young. Also anon, why are you so obsessed with a man’s physical body? Are you a discord tranny?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:11:42 2019 No.15942919 >>15942896 That dude is definitely gonna die of alcoholism. You can see death in his eyes. Must be tough trying live a lie

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:14:48 2019 No.15942940 >>15942688 dealing with haters all day gets tiring. CSW is ironically doing gods work now

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:16:02 2019 No.15942950 >>15942688 christ this shit is like watching wwe. how did they manage to cram so many nutcases into one conference hall. lost it at capital sniper investments though ngl.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:16:48 2019 No.15942954 >>15942940 This CSW and Trump are unironically emissaries from god

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:19:50 2019 No.15942976 >>15942688 dunning-kruger effect

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:24:38 2019 No.15943010 File: 261 KB, 721x419, 146D68EB-9375-44D0-A348-8CEF9E6B8FBE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >CSW and Trump are unironically emissaries from god

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:45:35 2019 No.15943124 >>15943010 It's true. And you'll burn in hell for doubting them

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 02:48:38 2019 No.15943149 >>15943124 I thought all liars like craig would have a place in the lake of fire?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:02:59 2019 No.15943224 Let's face it, Craig is Satoshi. If you disagree that's ok, you are wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:06:08 2019 No.15943235 >>15943224 No. He's presented zero proof showing himself to be Satoshi. He's lost all of his court cases and fail to deliver on every promise he's made.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:07:03 2019 No.15943239 File: 326 KB, 767x925, download(4).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what did creg's sister mean by this? https://twitter.com/CryptoScamHub/status/1181867958974332929

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:08:34 2019 No.15943244 >>15942688 alcoholic & serial liar/fraud/scam who just decided to "fuck it all" couple years ago and shit on everything & everyone. he's slowly to start to pay the price for that.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:12:14 2019 No.15943254

>>15942889
of course your communication skills are impaired when you have to keep up a vast amount of lies and a facade.

he belongs 100% in prison so he doesn't scam any more 'normal' people out of their money. if not prison, than mental asylum for the criminally insane.

he's not a genius you idiots. you have been fucked by someone who simply went "all-in" into criminal energy. >>15942889
of course your communication skills are impaired when you have to keep up a vast amount of lies and a facade.

he belongs 100% in prison so he doesn't scam any more 'normal' people out of their money. if not prison, than mental asylum for the criminally insane.

he's not a genius you idiots. you have been fucked by someone who simply went "all-in" into using criminal energy.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:12:53 2019 No.15943256
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>>15943235
Absolutely zero

https://github.com/StackmyBCHup/SatoshiTimeLine
https://youtu.be/ATapuAYgEeI
https://ohmysatoshi.com/
https://ohmysatoshi.com/blacknet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdJexAYjrDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSikhu1X49M&t=5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZyRMG2CjA&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVWVP1WXmA&t=2s
https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/188871/aussie_achieves_world_first_audit_certification/
https://medium.com/@jonmatonis/how-i-met-satoshi-96e85727dc5a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXdkczX5mR0
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=2682943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t
https://www.reddit.com/r/CraigIsSatoshi/top/?t=all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EQDiJ92VaI
https://youtu.be/QaafKXd9uK0

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:14:03 2019 No.15943267 >>15943254 Immutable evidence trail https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/feds-bust-worlds-largest-dark-web-child-porn-marketplace-following-bitcoin-trail

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:14:44 2019 No.15943270 >>15943256 That's not proof. All of that has been debunked.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:15:45 2019 No.15943274 >>15943270 Please show where any of that has been debunked

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:16:07 2019 No.15943277 >>15943256 twatter posts aren’t proof

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:19:03 2019 No.15943291 >>15943274 You retards are wasting your time. Craig made many promises and has not delivered on a single promise. They are reduced to claiming rusty staples as being proof that craig is Satoshi.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:20:30 2019 No.15943297 >>15943270 >dude it's all fake lol blah blah blah ??????????? fucking braindead faggot

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:20:56 2019 No.15943301

>>15943277
so you deny gavin andresen and jon matonis believe craig signed satoshi keys for them and is satoshi
and you deny josephvaugh-perling and ian grigg believe craig wright is satoshi nakamoto

what about george gilder at 14min 18sec? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvX191cYin0

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:23:49 2019 No.15943322
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>>15943256
https://craigwright.net/about/#academic-degrees
https://craigwright.net/about/#professional-certifications
https://craigwright.net/about/#copyright-certification

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:23:52 2019 No.15943323 >>15943301 > so you deny le authority man Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:24:19 2019 No.15943325 >>15943256 debunked + fake & gay he's very good at fabricating all this fairy tale bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:24:42 2019 No.15943328 File: 186 KB, 702x486, 1512450904415.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15942950 >this shit is like watching wwe. I watched it only because you described it this way and was not disappointed. >lost it at capital sniper investments Timestamp?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:25:07 2019 No.15943330 >>15943322 > law of fraud kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:26:06 2019 No.15943332 >>15943297 Craig has lied so much that nothing you tards post is going to be taken seriously.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:29:18 2019 No.15943351

https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/04/17/the-roadmap-to-genesis-part-1/
https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/07/13/quasar-upgrade-24th-july-recommendations-roadmap-to-genesis-part-2/
https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/07/26/utxo-height-based-activation-roadmap-to-genesis-part-3/
https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/07/27/the-return-of-op_return-roadmap-to-genesis-part-4/

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:29:26 2019 No.15943352

>>15943325
what confuses people the most is that he has some truthful achievements like the giacs mixed into it. doen't change a thing that all the important things are forged/faked.

did anyone inspect his "degrees"?
he has turbo shit marks, most of them C's and D's. His Thesis is an uncomprehensible makeshift BS probably no one really read.
He's more of a social science person and you notice that. Copy/Paste sloppy plagiarist. He cant code, he cant math. He cannot even fake his proofs properly and kill off the timestamps in binary. This guy is in no way Satoshi. It's just too much that screams out loud that this guy is a complete and corrupted fraud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:30:36 2019 No.15943360 >>15943352 >he can't code https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVWVP1WXmA&t=2s

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:33:42 2019 No.15943375 File: 199 KB, 1080x1431, 6439D1D4-341A-4FDF-ACFD-7D48252535EA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15943328 >Timestamp? 9:50 if anyone's interested. Shit's hillarious.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:45:36 2019 No.15943437

>>15943360
its complete BS. sloppy as always.
a "can code" is like 5+ years of coding with solid experience and not some sloppy 2h crash course and holding an adhoc lecture then. craig's so bad at coding experience wise, he couldnt even distinguish int from uint.

you know - craig tries to sell you that he's a turbo genius everywhere. just by the laws of this world, this is not possible.

you simply have not enough time. you can get to 70-80% very quickly in an area, but champions league requires you to have 95%+. the higher you go after 80% the more time exponentionly you have to invest for any further progress. and you only win a competiton when you're in the top 1-2%.

craigs trying to sell you that he's 90%+ in xxxl many areas. its just not possible.

the only 95%+ skill he has is bullshitting people and luring him into his lies. everyone with a minimum in life experience and not too shy to see how things really are notices this guy is nothing but a liar and a fraud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:50:32 2019 No.15943461 >>15943437 craig was literally one of the single most qualified it professionals on he planet at one stage https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/188871/aussie_achieves_world_first_audit_certification/ pic related >>15943322

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:53:26 2019 No.15943482 >>15943461 All that and he still has to resort to lying and fraud. God damn shame.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:57:23 2019 No.15943504 Can someone make a CSW compilation?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:15:22 2019 No.15943574 >>15943504 https://youtu.be/i95kSYVUJIo

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:22:01 2019 No.15943597 >>15943482 this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:31:02 2019 No.15943645 >>15942688 Holy shit LOL Craig is on warpath, totally and utterly destroying these brainlets. The entire room was sent back to school. Satoshi is fucking LEGENDARY

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:31:54 2019 No.15943648 >>15942735 this watch their shark tank amerifags

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:32:13 2019 No.15943651 >>15942853 Exactly. He is so far ahead of the game, that these people are like ants to him. It's kind of cool to see what supreme competence looks like.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:33:17 2019 No.15943659 >>15942950 Dude lol watch until the end, it gets better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:34:29 2019 No.15943667 Word is he knows as soon as he steps back on US soil he will be arrested by the FBI for a plethora of charges Shortly after the Australian government will feel like idiots and also try and extradite

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:37:14 2019 No.15943678 >>15943291 he proves BitCoin can fucking scale On-CHAIN

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:38:53 2019 No.15943685 File: 987 KB, 716x1158, CSW_businesscard_nsa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15943667 LOL Craig works with the FBI/NSA/Interpol and other enforcement agencies you dunce.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:39:58 2019 No.15943691 >>15943651 wtf, he was completely BTFO by Peter Rizun in his own field, despite similar views on the tech

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:40:30 2019 No.15943695 File: 91 KB, 768x1024, D9HnP8hUwAASf8u.jpg large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15943667 >>15943685

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:41:11 2019 No.15943703 >>15942889 >You can't argue with proof of work, you can't deny Craig's work. But you CAN deny Craig's work if it's plagiarism, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:42:14 2019 No.15943707 >>15943678 >he proves what if I told you that Craig just stole his entire arguments from someone else.. what if I name that man

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:42:29 2019 No.15943708

BSV fags are cancer and cringe. BSV can't meme just like the left can't meme. Actually Craig's cult follows the leftish 'Dear Leader' dogmatism.

Anti-Craig memes are at least funny and relevant. Craig the Pajeet, Craig in diapers, "this is the correct thread" pasta. This is golden.

Pro-Craig memes are just like Craig's works, mostly stale plagiarism from linkies (oh irony, linkies debated the fuck out of it, BSV jeets can't stand a single conversation), autistic gregging, spastic shopped crap without any relevance and endless homosexual fantasies about Creg's bulge (I mean wtf, is Jimmy Nguyen recruiting shitposters now?). Enough of this forced shit.

If you're a BSV fag, you should unironically KYC.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:42:32 2019 No.15943709
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>>15943691
LOL Rizun is a retarded brainlet who never accomplished anything in the space.

What is he doing now? Fingering his own butthole in the daily. He has no accomplishments to his name, while Satoshi is racking up patents and building technology at break neck speeds.

COPE.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:43:36 2019 No.15943715 >>15942688 >what is mentally wrong with this guy? compulsive liar and narcissistic sociopath

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:45:10 2019 No.15943728 File: 8 KB, 196x250, 1571092057279.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15943708 Go back to the leddit fag. If anyone was in doubt, the same butthurt leftist kikes screaming at Trump are the same ones screaming at Craig. 100% Winner signal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:46:44 2019 No.15943736 >>15943709 >LOL Rizun is a retarded brainlet who never accomplished anything in the space. is this what curry cashies actually believe or just one random retard?

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:48:45 2019 No.15943753
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>>15943709
Don't seethe, friendo, Peter Rizun is probably the most prolific, competent bitcoin expert in the field. The fact that CSW reacts like a spoiled crying girl to his wise, objective criticism is PATHETIC:

>“nChain informed BU – after I tweeted about [Craig Wright’s (CSW’s)] errors with respect to 0-conf security – that they would be winding down their funding of the Gigablock Testnet over the next three months.

>Shortly after I tweeted proof of Craig Wright’s plagiarism, nChain informed us that they would be terminating the Gigablock agreement effective immediately. BU agreed to the termination and forgave the small (~$10k) balance owed to BU by nChain.”

It's so sad that Craig has been steeling his ideas.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 04:53:53 2019 No.15943791 >>15943736 Prove me wrong.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:07:17 2019 No.15943841

>>15943753
not to mention the patent mill is not run personally by craig they got an academic team on the payroll that work on patents 24/7. peter rizun on the other hand actually works on bitcoin on a theoretical level. don't think unlimited has any interest in patents so that's one fucked up metric to compare them on. i like to compare them on the quality of the work and presentations.
craig is one sad clown. it feels wrong to mention them on the same page.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:07:53 2019 No.15943844 >>15943791 Craig's whole "segwit flaw" is stolen from Peter Rizun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:10:01 2019 No.15943854 >>15943844 peter rizun actually had a decent enough argument (and presentation) why segwit is problematic all i heard from the rest of the morons is parroting "fatal flaw fatal flaw".

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:11:56 2019 No.15943864

>>15943854
oh and that presentation was not actually saying segwit as an idea is flawed it was bashing the soft fork implementation as introducing twisted incentives that can be used against the bitcoin network in a minority attack.

and that's an important distinction, because it can be fixed while keeping segwit all they have to do is go through with segwit 2x.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:12:56 2019 No.15943869 >>15943728 Anti Semitic remarks from Craig’s camp, figures you nazi incels would resort to that you bottom of the barrel subhuman

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:13:36 2019 No.15943871

>>15943844
Rizun is the cuck hurling butthurt insults from the sidelines while Craig aka Satoshi Nakamoto builds out an entire industry from SCRATCH.

Rizun is literally a nobody. Fun to see core cucks get behind him as if that wasn't a signal that he is value is less than 0.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:14:29 2019 No.15943878 >>15943871 nobody thinks craig is satoshi except a very few dunning kruger retards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:14:49 2019 No.15943880 >>15943869 Thanks for your input Moshe.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:17:36 2019 No.15943892
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>>15943878
Craig is Satoshi, it is an obvious fact. The only people still denying it are people, like you, who are paid to do it because it threatens your employers political and financial interests.

In private, everyone admits that Craig is Satoshi.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:17:49 2019 No.15943895 >>15943871 Craig is just a drunk fuck who is most likely on the verge of liver failure. Rizun is actually a genius. If craig didn't have calvin backing him he'd be living on the streets right now

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:18:41 2019 No.15943901 >>15943871 This is ridiculous. Do you even understand the nature of his objections?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:19:46 2019 No.15943906 >>15943892 I don't trust that if there aren't coffee stains and rusty staples

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:21:48 2019 No.15943916 >>15943892 Why are you clinging to the past? I thought it's proof-of-work, not proof-of-past

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:26:46 2019 No.15943932 >>15943892 >Craig is Satoshi, it is an obvious fact. to you

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:29:01 2019 No.15943938 >>15943916 i love these old quotes about craig trying to cling to his privacy and not trying to take over he is the most obnoxious flamboyant faggot that tries to take control over bitcoin for 5 years now

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:30:58 2019 No.15943945
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>>15943895
>>15943901
>>15943906
>>15943916
>>15943878

Btw is it part of your job description to blend in here? Because everyone can tell that you paid blockstream shills.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:33:01 2019 No.15943952 >>15943945 Now call us all greg maxwell then abandon this thread so you can make an "aussie man bad thread". Hahhahahaha

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:33:08 2019 No.15943953 >>15943906 It's real, go look on /r/btc

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:35:51 2019 No.15943966 >>15943945 Imagine being a squirming cuck desperately trying to defend his husbandoo after he got unequivocally btfo by based Peter Rizun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:36:17 2019 No.15943967 >>15943945 based adam doing satoshis work

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:37:57 2019 No.15943972 >>15943952 yup that's the next line in the script these bots are running. okay, i am greg maxwell and all my 26 personalities are in this thread. now let's move on with our discussion!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:56:57 2019 No.15944023 File: 278 KB, 900x900, 1534283970270.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Craig's low energy cucks got BTFO in the thread again. Why did Vishnu allow this?

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:58:00 2019 No.15944025

Craig is not satoshi, he never was and never will be. Satoshi is Nick Szabo and maybe a couple other cypherpunks. the writings on the wall. Look at the David Chaum interview at korea blockchain week (link below), he clearly implies he knew the whitepaper was coming and/or had some involvement. Remember all these cypherpunk guys were good friends and had aligned interests back then, Szabo ever worked for Chaums Digicash company in the 90s. Satoshi was a collection of these elite cypherpunks that put the code and whitepaper out, then Szabo acted as the front man on the forums etc

https://youtu.be/UBzcdM8S4mk?t=2141

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 05:59:20 2019 No.15944031 >>15943707 name it>>15943707

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:04:05 2019 No.15944044 File: 52 KB, 608x499, Peter Rizun on CSW - 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15944031 Peter Rizun. You can look up how CSW lost a bet to him or how CSW got butthurt that his plagiarism was exposed.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:08:59 2019 No.15944066
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anyone remember elizabeth holmes? she scammed $700 million out of investors, was hailed as a female prodigy billionaire CEO, the press was jerking off over her accomplishments. turns out it was all a big fat scam. we see the exact same thing with craig wright playing out. what you gotta realize is that big ceos and billionaires are just human too and they can be bamboozled just as well. jimmy, calvin, all these people backing craig fell victim to a massive, elaborately planned scam. even gavin andresen admitted that craig could just be a masterful scammer and this is the most likely option. has any of you faggots actually listend to craig talk? he never answers any questions he always goes on his weird tangents "back in the 90s we had 50 people workin on this patent blablabla". he dazzles people with bullshit like a high level politician the guy is a msterful scammer and faggots who fell for the BSV scam will regret it. like doesnt it ring alarm bells in your head that his entire family is out there shilling his shitcoin as well? its the textbook example of a longterm scam and his entire clan is in on it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:12:19 2019 No.15944082 >>15944066 No, jimmy, calvin, gavin and matonis were in on it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:13:22 2019 No.15944086 >>15944066 You are a moron who has only paid as much as 15% of the attention you should have

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:27:30 2019 No.15944147 >>15944025 greg maxwell is satoshi easy to prove 1) we are all satoshi except craig wright 2) greg maxwell is satoshi because he is not craig wright 3) we are all greg maxwell because we are not craig wright hail hydra!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:34:36 2019 No.15944180 Value is in use Chainlink 1000 eoy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:38:53 2019 No.15944204 >>15944180 toilet paper is widely used around the globe. not to mention the value of used condoms.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:44:57 2019 No.15944240 >>15942889 go shit in a street

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:46:34 2019 No.15944252 >>15943325 if he was even half good at his forgery he wouldn’t be called out for it every dogleg day

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:49:25 2019 No.15944270 >>15942688 PUMPKING FARMER

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:54:52 2019 No.15944293 >>15943967 >based Adam Yikes. You kikes really out yourselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 07:32:36 2019 No.15944505 >>15942688 How can anyone see this and not instantly understand that Craig is a scammer?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 07:35:34 2019 No.15944513 >>15943239 >Proof Craig be must Satoshi. Found the pajeet

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 07:36:50 2019 No.15944522 File: 28 KB, 639x449, external-content.duckduckgo.com.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15944505 Pumpkin farmer craig bad! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 07:37:39 2019 No.15944530 >>15944522 Put your savings into BSV now Ranjesh.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 07:47:48 2019 No.15944587 >>15944505 and who isnt scammer in crypto?? CZ? McAfee? Ver? Vitalik? Blockstream? JustinSun?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 07:51:27 2019 No.15944608 >>15944587 Yep, the whole industry is a scam, and Craig is desperate to prove to be the Scammer King

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 07:52:59 2019 No.15944620 >>15944587 At least they're not pretending to be someone they are not and aren't pretending to have created something they didn't create. They are also talented enough not to be caught lying and forging documents all the fucking time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 09:12:10 2019 No.15945093 >>15943437 craig is first class in brazen bullshitting

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:12:37 2019 No.15945501 >>15944608 but he is just a puppet of the scammer emperor calvin the first

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:16:35 2019 No.15945527 File: 24 KB, 347x139, 1565813249104.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] STIFF

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:37:07 2019 No.15945695 coingeek released a new HQ stream of the fireside chat. the debate should be coming up soon. grab it now so you dont have to rape your ears with bsvlounges crapstream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSXk_xFBJPU

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:38:10 2019 No.15945706 >>15945695 btw why do they keep calling this autistic conversation fireside chats? theres no fire.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:49:10 2019 No.15945796
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>>15942766
Exactly. Lord Varys seemed like a nice enough guy, but he just came into the debate with all sorts of assumptions that Craig rejected out of hand. Imagine trying to describe what a blockchain is to a 70 year old retarded nigger if you want to understand how the good doctor feels getting on that stage.
>>15942790
>t. brainlet

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:52:20 2019 No.15945820

>>15945796
>creg is so smaht
why does he keep losing court cases then? why did he get btfo by peter rizun? why cant he even explain to his own sister how halvings work? why all the lies and unfulfilled promises like his bitcoin bank from 2016? questions and more questions...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:56:16 2019 No.15945854 File: 84 KB, 854x414, snapshot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15945695 The audience, kek. There were more people in this thread than there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:56:31 2019 No.15945857 File: 37 KB, 511x671, 1559161598521.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15945820 >Leading questions with false premises Fuck off, moron. Nobody who understands what's going on cares about convincing people like you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 10:59:38 2019 No.15945873 the sole thing that convinces everyone who fell for craig to leave that fucker is: 1)he promises a lot 2)and delivers never he delivers some fake fucking forgeries and irrelevant BS to keep you in the cult but he never gives you the real deal.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:04:27 2019 No.15945898
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>>15945695
How can one man be so based??

Cuck: "It's the bit that worries me a little bit is forcing YOUR way. You want us to all be your way..."

Craig: "It's my invention! - Invent something else."

And then everyone clapped .

Cucks on suicide watch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:09:23 2019 No.15945932 >>15943256 of course craig would post links to fake websites.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:10:32 2019 No.15945937

>>15942688
>let's discuss the valuation of cryptocurrencies
>Cryptocurrencies are irrelevant, all that matters is my patent trolling company that will make me so much money everyone here will have to suck my dick.
How can one man be so retarded on every level?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:12:34 2019 No.15945950 >>15945898 This is entry-level sophistry, I guess it still impressed brainlets

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:20:56 2019 No.15946017 >>15945898 Oh SHIT people CLAPPED??? WELL THATS ALL THE MCFUCKING PROOF I NEEDED

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:24:31 2019 No.15946053

>>15945854
>more people in this thread than there.
kekus maximus
>>15945857
so youre saying he didnt get BTFO in court by kleiman AND ver? youre saying he didnt have to redact a bitcoin paper after getting his ass whooped by Peter Rizun? you saying he didnt make big promises about a bitcoin bank that he never delivered on? his sister is not making retarded statements about bitcoin halvings in public? sounds like you got no argument anon and are just trying to lull in more gullible bagholders with your fake show of confidence

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:32:09 2019 No.15946127 i really advocate that someone employs merciless violence on his face sometime in the near future.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:33:37 2019 No.15946143 File: 101 KB, 1276x690, EHAbnXUU4AAOmqX.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15945950 >>15946017 Stay mad incels. Craig is stealing the show and you are ASS mad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:46:39 2019 No.15946258 >>15942688 someone needs to assasinate him, It would be so bullish

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:48:33 2019 No.15946280 >>15946258 I get that it is fun to make Faketoshi and Aussie Man Bad memes, but this is going too far. Reported

>>	BSV will win Thu Oct 17 11:48:57 2019 No.15946285 File: 37 KB, 310x400, paper.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15943010 Trump was brought to us by God. https://youtu.be/Xro-xsDAF6s?t=722 12:02

>>	BSV will win Thu Oct 17 11:51:02 2019 No.15946299 >>15946285 i see 4chan now supports jumping to timestamps on clicking embed, long overdue

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 11:54:23 2019 No.15946325
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>>15946285
>>15946299
Do you know much about christcuckery? Everything is placed where it is because of Yahweh. Go read the jew bible to understand. Also trump himself is an atheist.

>>	BSV will win Thu Oct 17 11:59:55 2019 No.15946368 >>15946325 I don't even know what Yahweh is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:00:56 2019 No.15946381 >>15946143 This won't age well

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:03:17 2019 No.15946396 >>15945796 blockchain is not a very complicated construct, it's somewhere between a unidirectional chained list and an indexed list in complexity. first year fledgling programmers in elementary can come up with more complicated structures.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:06:13 2019 No.15946415 >>15946053 >just trying to lull in more gullible bagholders with your fake show of confidence that's 80% what sv cucks do non-stop. the rest is gregposting and stiffposting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:08:55 2019 No.15946438 File: 64 KB, 483x573, 1561071257406.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15946381 Screenshot it faggot. I haven't seen you blockstream shills this butthurt since Craig copyrighted the white paper LMAO

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:15:15 2019 No.15946495 >>15946438 You get over-defensive over nothingburgers. It will only get worse from here.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:28:17 2019 No.15946597

>>15946396
>blockchain is not a very complicated construct
This. Most people fail to understand that the genious of bitcoin is the protocol which places economic incentives for people to be honest. The software implementing this economic system is not that complicated in itself. I think peoples failure to understand this is a big part of why BTC and other altcoins are having the problems they have. It is kind of sad to think about how much time has been wasted. I'm glad Satoshi came back to make right what core devs did wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:36:11 2019 No.15946670 >>15942688 I unironically think he is Satoshi yet I refuse to invest in a man with such hubris

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:39:34 2019 No.15946705
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>>15946597
Don't get it twisted. They never failed to understand it. They understand it VERY well. They are saboteurs - their goal from the beginning was to prevent mass adoption and scaling of Bitcoin. And they succeeded to a great extent, except they didn't anticipate that the original Bitcoin protocol would survive through forks and Satoshi would come back take over with the help of US military intelligence. Bitcoin is now a literal national security project to free us from the criminal central banking cartel.

They lost control of Bitcoin with BSV, which is now going to finally scale and fulfill the original vision and boy are they mad about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:44:25 2019 No.15946742 >>15944066 lurk moar

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 12:45:28 2019 No.15946750 >>15944204 >toilet paper >21 million limit

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:06:00 2019 No.15946911 >>15946495 >>15946705 like i said gregposting and stiffposting

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:07:59 2019 No.15946926 >>15946750 so the value is a function of supply versus demand? who would have thought... this might get you a nobel prize in econ.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:10:22 2019 No.15946943 >>15946705 How does a currency work with a hard cap of 21 million?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:10:53 2019 No.15946952 He’s an alcoholic

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:11:16 2019 No.15946953

>>15946742
>lurk moar
not an argument
>>15946750
>21 million limit
anon I can take a shit right now and theres only one of it in the world, but with zero demand that doesnt mean anything. are all you BSVers literally retarded? you fell for the dumbest stupidest memes and some fast talking conman. all you morons got is stiff / gregposting and coping with your shitty memes. what about this?
>>15946053
everytime some real arguments get brought up you just ignore them

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:12:38 2019 No.15946969 >>15946943 >How does a currency work with a hard cap of 21 million? What do you mean? If you are afraid it will not be enough for everyone then there is something called fraction

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:19:57 2019 No.15947016 >>15946953 you need to do your homework

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:20:50 2019 No.15947024 >>15946969 This may sound like a brainlet question but who wants to deal with fractions of a whole? >One thousand two hundred and seven satoshis for your coffee fren. versus three dollarydoos- far more user friendly

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:26:28 2019 No.15947070

>>15947024
You can create fiat tokens and other stablecoins on top of BitCoin. This means you get the technological utility of the protocol without having to use it as the currency. You will still be using USD, Euro, Yen, etc but the transactions will happen on the blockchain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:30:05 2019 No.15947096 >>15947070 Custodial second-layer tokens, you meant.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:35:00 2019 No.15947129 >>15947016 >you need to do your homework why is that you BSVers never bring any argument and resort to fake shows of confidence instead? that and stiff / gregposting. I have done my homework anon how about you >>15947116

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:35:33 2019 No.15947134

>>15947070
Right, this suggestion is mind blowing.
An immutable record of every electronic transaction of every global currency.

Firstly, how can you create a token representing eg USD? One would have to be taken taken out of circulation I assume. How could it then be onboarded?

Secondly, why issue BSV coins at all if the technology is what is valuable? I'm not stating BSV is worthless or can't have value- but you get my point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:43:48 2019 No.15947198 >>15944066 >we see the exact same thing with craig wright Especially how mainstream crypto media loves him amirite?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:48:08 2019 No.15947239 >>15947070 And thank me later pastebin com/ivZtfmyT

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:49:01 2019 No.15947249 File: 58 KB, 528x498, 1494267309568.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Capitol Sniper Investments

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 13:54:24 2019 No.15947295 >>15943256 Kill yourself

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:00:40 2019 No.15947348

>>15943256
>>15943274
>>15943267
>>15943301
>>15943322
>>15943351
>>15943360
>>15943461

I will prove now that I am in possession of the private key from address
1HZawBJnSbz6RKJSHSUSwcaaKQrCNVivU7

message will be:
901p4lfz is a faggot

signature:
H0/yjXZGitIUs24fRWu/l16o6QGL4a/o2xRvdmRzaVepEq2Gm6VSlNosyTiogm9myVL+LHq/PgmPG4CFD86VnkM=

verify at
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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:02:43 2019 No.15947366 >PUMPKIN MAN CREG!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:04:36 2019 No.15947390 Is it kino? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WORkYsg2I4

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:04:38 2019 No.15947391 >>15946258 The fucked up thing is he's already put a huge price on his head. Just long BTC and short BSV first. Honestly though, don't fucking kill anyone dudes.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:16:25 2019 No.15947485

>>15947134
>Secondly, why issue BSV coins at all if the technology is what is valuable? I'm not stating BSV is worthless or can't have value- but you get my point.

Because there is an immutable audit trail, and it can basically eliminate fraud completely. As well as costs, fees and so forth.

It's basically just digitizing fiat money onto a stable, secure and fast infrastructure, where everything is working and in order already - An accountant/auditors wet dream I can assure you. And extremely low maintenance, bureaucratic, security, IT and and transfer costs. You don't have to create your own government digital system from the ground up, you just use the utility network that is already built and working. It's efficient as hell.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:20:38 2019 No.15947523 >>15947134 >>15947485 Oh btw some further explanation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwwNTKjt4bo&feature=youtu.be&t=969 Also a little easter egg from this video.. nChain is already in talks with several central banks to onboard them to BSV...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:22:27 2019 No.15947541 >muh pay-for-blatantly-inorganic-meme

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:24:22 2019 No.15947559 >>15943301 everyone knows bitcoin is all about trust after all

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:30:32 2019 No.15947612 >>15947523 It's not trustless. "BSV tokens" require a third-party server to run them instead of the blockchain alone. Clearly an inferior solution compared to specialized chains.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:32:17 2019 No.15947631 >>15947523 >nChain is already in talks with several central banks to onboard them to BSV source: nchain. not a single central bank has confirmed this. reminds me of the good old days when omisego was "in talks" with mcdonalds

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:36:33 2019 No.15947667 >>15942742 you're must be fun at parties

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:39:08 2019 No.15947705

From the Tokenized whitepaper
>Another risk to the system is the vulnerability of smart contracts to hijacking by a bad actor. If a black hat hacker is able to penetrate the security of the server that is hosting the smart contract and get control of the smart contract then bitcoin and/or tokens can be stolen by manipulating the request/response transaction structure and bypassing validation algorithms.

"the server that is hosting the smart contract"...
This is amateurish. BSV can't compete.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:40:50 2019 No.15947721 >>15947612 >"BSV tokens" require a third-party server to run them instead of the blockchain alone False

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:42:35 2019 No.15947737 >>15947721 It's true, read the WP. People calling BSV a shitcoin are not too far from the truth, it's not just memes and FUD.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:46:59 2019 No.15947784 >>15947348 >https://tools.qz.sg/ >singapore have no reason to exist

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:48:13 2019 No.15947795 >>15947631 As if central banks would tell plebs like you who they are conducting business with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:49:20 2019 No.15947806 File: 18 KB, 1289x153, Capture-.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15947129

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:49:22 2019 No.15947807 >>15947795 yes all central banks are conducting business with my but they wouldn't tell that to plebs like you. indeed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:50:07 2019 No.15947812 >>15947737 You have no idea what you are talking about. Why are you even posting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:51:20 2019 No.15947825 >>15947348 and there it is kids that' show you do it... 2 minutes tops

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:53:31 2019 No.15947844 >>15947485 this

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:54:38 2019 No.15947857 He is nuts, it makes me really look at other coins like ALGO, its faster and more secure. Not to mention they have sane employees at the helm rather than this loser.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:55:02 2019 No.15947863
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>>15947631
Oh and there is this....

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2018/11/13/sp111418-winds-of-change-the-case-for-new-digital-currency

The writing is on the wall. The only blockchain central banks can use is one that actually scales...

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:56:50 2019 No.15947880

>>15947485
>immutable audit trail
on sv? who are you kidding? any amall-medium sized bitcoin pool could reorg it 100 deep if they wanted without breaking a sweat.
or just start mining blocks 2gig full of random crap (for free) until everyone gives the fuck up to store that blockchain anywhere.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:57:10 2019 No.15947887

>>15947812
I literally quoted the whitepaper >>15947705. "BSV tokens" rely on trusted 3d-party nodes. This is backwards. What other "innovations" does BSV have? Moneybutton, a third party web site that you have to be always logged in to and that can't even withstand the server load?

You're being humiliated badly ITT.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:01:24 2019 No.15947927 >>15947857 >ALGO > unfair distribution

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:02:26 2019 No.15947935 File: 35 KB, 408x450, 1510014602312.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15947880 >its easy to go back 100 blocks >saving data onchain is free

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:02:37 2019 No.15947940 >>15947857 Kys pajeet shill

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:04:04 2019 No.15947952 >>15947935 it costs nothing for a miner to fill the entire block with garbage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:05:37 2019 No.15947969 File: 109 KB, 1200x677, 1558821100435.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15947887 >(((19)))

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:05:44 2019 No.15947971 >>15947880 >feeling generous https://twitter.com/MeanHash/status/1184202438619873281

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:06:19 2019 No.15947975

>>15947863
>The only blockchain central banks can use is one that actually scales...
They can and will use their own federated chains which solves the scaling issue since real decentralization isn't needed or wanted at all when dealing with government issued currency. The people that understand what's happening are focusing on chain interoperability. Blockstream has a product that's exactly this, a federated sidechain to Bitcoin that you have full control over.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:06:53 2019 No.15947980 >>15947952 So miners can just magically add things to the blockchain without doing a transaction? Going to need a QRD on that one, fampai.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:07:13 2019 No.15947984 >>15947887 >streamanity

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:07:39 2019 No.15947987 >>15947969 You're btfo

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:08:29 2019 No.15947998 >>15947935 do you even realize how shadow mining and hostile reorgs work? it's enough if you have 51% of the hashrate which is in sv's case is like way less than a single ph/s. only like 10 btc pools could do it without any effort.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:08:36 2019 No.15947999

>>15947887
Are pulling my leg or what? They are talking about the server used to access the smart contract. The contract itself is hosted on the blockchain, that is after all the whole point. You need a server however that interacts with the contract to push information to it, updating states etc. That server can of course be hacked. Don't go hard out like that if you are not certain you know what you are talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:08:42 2019 No.15948000 >>15947975 >The people that understand stop reading

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:09:31 2019 No.15948007

>>15947980
>So miners can just magically add things to the blockchain without doing a transaction?
what retard they will include a transaction alright (don't even have to broadcast it) but who do you think they would pay any fees for you utter brainlet?
jesus christ!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:09:45 2019 No.15948012 >>15947998 javascript:quote('15947971');

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:11:12 2019 No.15948033 File: 24 KB, 558x614, 1509816764933.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15948007 >miners do a magic transaction that doesn't broadcast that also doesn't cost a fee

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:12:41 2019 No.15948059 >>15948012 who is that fucktard literal nobody that thinks miners are itching to switch to bsv rofl?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:13:43 2019 No.15948072 >>15948033 dude... a miner could in theory pay for himself for a tx but come on... that would be some weird kink. any fee would be his to spend anyhow. are you literally retarded sub 60 iq moron?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:14:56 2019 No.15948086 >>15947999 Wrong. The whitepaper explicitly says that the user wallet has to connect to a "smart contract server".

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:15:19 2019 No.15948092 >>15943461 If he is so smart why did he need all that education?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:19:18 2019 No.15948137 >>15948072 You still haven't explained how a miner can do a transaction that doesn't broadcast and is free. I wasn't aware that miners had magic powers that worked outside the protocol when using the blockchain, so this is news to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:19:37 2019 No.15948140 >>15948033 >miners do a magic transaction that doesn't broadcast that also doesn't cost a fee is this peak dunning kruger btw? i'm gonna screencap this idiotic post and keep it as prime example of sv cuck intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:21:38 2019 No.15948155 >>15948137 he includes it in the block he mines. come on dude!! seriously this is like bitcoin 101 for kindergarten! a miner freely decides what transactions he includes if any.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:25:17 2019 No.15948195 >>15948140 >>15948155 Might want to screencap yourself, guy. How is a miner adding transactions to blocks without broadcasting them?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:27:06 2019 No.15948217 >>15948195 he broadcasts only the block obviously. nobody asks stupid questions like how a tx got to a miner.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:30:44 2019 No.15948252
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>>15948217
Okay, so a miner creates a transaction, but doesn't broadcast it, mines a block and then adds the transaction into the block (assuming he got the block of course) and this is totally fine? All the other miners are going to be completely cool with this guy just adding transactions into blocks? Could you show me where the protocol allows for this because I'm quite sure Bitcoin was designed specifically to prevent shit like this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:31:48 2019 No.15948265 >>15948252 >and this is totally fine? YES

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:32:50 2019 No.15948277 >>15948252 and also there is the tiny fact that anyone that got majority hash don't need to concern himself with what the other miners think about his blocks. that's why they call it a 51% attack.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:35:36 2019 No.15948298 >>15948092 Having a high IQ (being smart) and having deep and specific knowledge in a certain field (education) are two separate things. IQ is your raw CPU power, the other is hard drive content plus software integration.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:36:24 2019 No.15948305
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>>15948265
Seriously? So every time miners verify blocks of other miners it's just a dog and pony show and they don't actually care if protocol was followed? The entire lifespan of Bitcoin has really just been miners putting in fraudulent transactions that nobody has noticed or cared about until you. Very interesting, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:39:42 2019 No.15948340 >>15948086 I give up. There is no cure for stupid

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:39:56 2019 No.15948343

>>15948305
>So every time miners verify blocks of other miners it's just a dog and pony show and they don't actually care if protocol was followed?
they have to care, because mining on an invalid block would cost them money. but a majority miner can do whatever the fuck he wants so long his blocks are technically valid. they don't have to make sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:41:29 2019 No.15948361 >>15948343 I'm not talking about 51%. That's a completely different thing. You were saying miners can add transactions to blocks without broadcasting. Just slip them in all willy nilly.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:43:28 2019 No.15948382

>>15948305
also notice an other important factor here, a miner that is not malicious but for profit would never do this. also not a wise thing to fill blocks if you don't have majority hash. because slower propagation puts you at a disadvantage and you lose money. but if you got majority hash (which no one on bitcoin has, but sv is a different story altogether being a minority chain with 1% hashrate overall) you don't need to care much about frivolities and niceties. especially if you are looking to ruin everyones fun.

but i can see you are maybe slowly getting it. shit is bad. never go full retard and start a proof of work chain that is minority hash! especially don't remove your only dos protection!

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:45:51 2019 No.15948402

>>15948361
>You were saying miners can add transactions to blocks without broadcasting.
yes
>Just slip them in all willy nilly.
whenever they feel like, but unless you are attacking a chain this makes no economic sense. it's like graffiti and if it takes space away from paying transactions you are losing money.

so no this is not a common practice on btc chain alto i'm sure it has happened. you wouldn't know miners are free to and did include tx-es with 0 fee.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:52:48 2019 No.15948474
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>>15948086
>>15948265
I didn't really read any of these posts, I just want to get your attention. Everyone keeps asking WHY and HOW is he still relevant? BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING NSA & DHS. Like, holy shit, how is it so hard for everyone to see this? The past 10 years have all been PLANNED. None of this is random. Think about these two things: China and the Q Anon conspiracy. It's ALL connected. The trade war w/ China is staged, that will eventually lead to governments agreeing to cooperate and adopt a global currency. Just read the fucking Economist article. 3rd world countries are so fucked. It's actually going to be kind of sad. China, USA, Europe, Japan/Korea, I don't think Q Anon is a larper, but it's the perfect ploy for the world to adopt 100% transparency and people tracking. The financial system is key and has to be changed before the NWO can come it. Everyone thought it would be some huge catastrophic event like WW3. There is only going to be one coin. BitCoin isn't a good thing and if you realized that, everything makes a little more sense. If you think BitCoin is about decentralization and 'freedom'. WAKE THE FUCK UP and make a decision before the one and only BitCoin skyrockets overnight - where it will be impossible for and average person to even buy a fraction of a BitCoin.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:52:53 2019 No.15948478

>>15947612

b@ck to r3ddit dumb@ss.

1.its trustless
2.No third party servers
3.Surprise! its a blockchain
>specialized chains
Do you have specialized internet?
There are use cases where you migh need a server just to improve user experience, i.e. caching solutions , but the user can stll verify on the blockchain

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:53:55 2019 No.15948485 >>15948382 >>15948402 You still haven't explained how they can add transactions to a block without broadcasting it.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:57:47 2019 No.15948520

>>15948485
okay here is what i want you to do:
start reading about bitcoin, what it is, how it works, how mining is done, how blocks are structured, how transactions are included, everything. then go and fucking bother someone else if you still got questions!

this is fucking ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 15:58:53 2019 No.15948529 >>15948474 craig is satoj shut the fuck up incel

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:00:52 2019 No.15948550
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>>15948474
Your analysis is brainlet tier. There are two major factions fighting for control of our world

The marxist/kike NWO cabal ie China, CIA, Democrat party, socialism/communism, Blockstream/Tether, with the crippled BTC ponzi as their coin. Clown world liars.

vs

Capitalist, patriot revolutionaries fighting for liberty and transparency

Trump, Republican Freedom Caucus, NSA, Qanon, Military intelligence, Craig, Law enforcement with BSV (Real Bitcoin) as their coin.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:14:42 2019 No.15948689

>>15948474
>>15948550
Trump is part of the same organization as Xi Jin and you're just butthurt you voted for him. There are no presidents by the people for the people. Only ones installed as puppets. Qanon is a LARPer and everything is controlled opposition.
>NSA is fighting for liberty and transparency
lmfao, how delusional are you?

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:22:22 2019 No.15948768
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>>15948520
>all this REEEE and no explanation of how miners magically add transactions to blocks without broadcasting or why other miners allow it to happen

kys my man

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:28:30 2019 No.15948821 >>15948768 >dude care to explain to me how you drink a glass of water? HOW? JUST FUCKING TELL ME! HOW I ASKED A THOUSAND TIMES YOU CAN'T TELL ME!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:29:45 2019 No.15948834 >>15948821 >still literally has no idea how transactions are done on Bitcoin or why a fraudulent transaction would be immediately rejected by the other miners By all means continue being retarded though.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:29:46 2019 No.15948835

>>15948478
Wrong, dumbass. It's sad that you don't even know the details of the shitcoin you're shilling. "BSV tokens" are based on third-party "settlement nodes", not the blockchain alone. This is not trustless and is actually a pretty strong vulnerability. Significantly inferior to other blockchain solutions.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:33:43 2019 No.15948872

>>15948834
dude i'm saying there is nothing stopping a miner from doing that
you can't prove a negative so if you are saying there is the burden of proof is with you.
by the rules of formal debate and logic, you have to present the mechanism that would prevent this. protip:there is none.

for a miner to include a transaction he made in the block he mines is the most natural thing to do. like fucking drinking a glass of water for you just less effort.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:36:51 2019 No.15948903 >>15948872 No I'm saying the transaction is fraudulent and any miner verifying the block (all of them) would rejected it. What you're proposing doesn't make any fucking sense. If it worked like that Bitcoin would be broken.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:38:00 2019 No.15948916 File: 355 KB, 2432x1358, craig_doesnt_care.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15948872 >29 posts by this ID

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:41:15 2019 No.15948953 >>15947999 "a server however that interacts with the contract to push information to it, updating states etc" is not a trustless solution. It's the same as using pastebin and calling it a smart contracts platform. That's why BSV is a joke.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:54:22 2019 No.15949088

>>15948903
>No I'm saying the transaction is fraudulent
no
>and any miner verifying the block (all of them) would rejected it.
no
you are either trolling or have no clue how bitcoin works. the transaction is valid the block is valid (by sv rules) it will be accepted by any node that don't crash from a 2 gig block.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 16:59:05 2019 No.15949127

>>15948903
>If it worked like that Bitcoin would be broken.
if you read >>15948382 you would understand why bitcoin can't be harmed by this. it has implemented dos protection before it became an issue because satoshi was not a retard. he didn't want to at first but he saw reason.

it's an obvious attack on bitcoin, one that can only be perpetrated by a miner and any miner not having majority hash risks that his blocks are passed up and simply ignored by the rest. so it's a weak attack if you only have minority hash.

but sv... hahah 1% of bitcoins hash man, it could be obliterated with little to no effort by a serous miner.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:00:09 2019 No.15949137 File: 56 KB, 645x773, 1509817256903.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15949088 >miners have magic powers to slip in transactions to blocks because reasons Stop replying to my posts with two posts, faggot.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:04:49 2019 No.15949186

>>15949137
i'm waiting for your presentation of any mechanism that would prevent this. you got till this thread ends. you dunning kruger retard.

it's not fraudelent it's not forbidden it's not even special. it's a miners right to include any transaction even if he got it in mail or made it. and his right to include zero fee tx but let's say for fucks sake that a fork makes 0 fee illegal. the miner then pay HIMSELF you fucking retarded cunt the fee so he still includes it for free.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:08:57 2019 No.15949219
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>>15949186
>i'm waiting for your presentation of any mechanism that would prevent this

Literally step one, plebnigger

>The steps to run the network are as follows:
>1) New transactions are broadcast to all nodes.

and if that wasn't enough

>5) Nodes accept the block only if all transactions in it are valid and not already spent

>it's a miners right to include any transaction even if he got it in mail
See reaction image

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:14:31 2019 No.15949259
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>>15949219
you truly are retarded beyond saving
step 1 is bullshit nobody checks if a tx was actually broadcast or not
step 5 in this case is not hurt obviously it's a perfectly valid tx under the fork rules (unless you can explain why not) the miner sends a tiny amount to himself and puts 2 gigs junk into the tx with whatever retarded opcode sv cucks like to use. then just includes this tx into the block hashes the block and starts nonceing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:15:50 2019 No.15949272 >>15947523 "It would be for the central bankers to control the money supply in exactly the same way as they do today and for their policy to be unencumbered by any other concerns"

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:18:49 2019 No.15949302
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>>15949259
>nobody checks if a tx was actually broadcast or not

It's not a check, you dumb nigger. It's how transactions are done on the network. Miners don't have a magic ability to circumvent this.

>step 5 in this case is not hurt obviously it's a perfectly valid tx

Failing step one there was no transaction to speak of. Your knuckles must have road rash from all the dragging along they do.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:22:21 2019 No.15949328

>>15949302
>Miners don't have a magic ability to circumvent this.
but they literally do, it's not magic tho, it's the simplest thing in the world.
what if i told you you don't have the magic ability to put a phone number in your contact list on your phone? you would think i'm insane. well i think you are fucking insane m8.

no code no implementation in any bitcoin fork client checks if a tx in a block has been broadcast or even known to the node before. that's primo bullshit.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:35:19 2019 No.15949440

>>15942688
>seriously, what is mentally wrong with this guy?

He is the most deeply closeted man I have ever seen. His is the kind of mincing, overcompensating closeted homosexuality that's kind of gone extinct with the passing of the pre-Stonewall generation. But for all I know, maybe that pattern of behavior still persists among gay Australians.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 17:44:42 2019 No.15949536 Thanks for today's conversation, BSV bros. You showed me that your ecosystem is even more inferior than I thought, and your bravado is wearing thin.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:06:29 2019 No.15949708
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>>15942688
>the Chad Cucurbita Pepo Horticulturist
accepts debates he does not care about
refuses to stand at podium or remain on topic
doesn't even acknowledge opponent, talks to the people
tailored custom suit

vs

>the virgin valuer
can't even check coinmarket cap
holds on to podium for dear life
constantly trying to tame opponent with compromise
bald with conference lanyard

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:07:10 2019 No.15949714 >>15949328 No they don't. Just because you mine blocks doesn't mean you get to break the rules.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:14:27 2019 No.15949763

>>15949714
that's what i'm saying you are not breaking any actual rules. no rule that is enforced by any working implementation is hurt by this attack.

perfectly valid tx or txes as far as everyone else is concerned. and like i said if you implement a tx fee minimum for tx size in the consensus rules which you surely can with a soft fork even the miner only pays himself if he got the majority hash.

now if he doesn't have the majority hash, and a fork forces high tx fees (basically removing the touted advantage of sv) then a miner would risk his transactions by an other miner or a coalition of them.

a majority hash attacker can shadow mine until it becomes near impossible to reorg his blocks and then he can top them with a few empty blocks for good measure and start broadcasting.

consequences of which would be catastrophic to the attacked chain.
something to keep in mind...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:19:13 2019 No.15949795 >>15949763 >that's what i'm saying you are not breaking any actual rules You can't add transactions to a block without broadcasting it first, miners included.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:19:47 2019 No.15949799

>>15949763
we always get back to the simple truth the small blocks and fee market introduced by bitcoin is actually an incredibly strong security feature. however much it sucks for the little guys it helps to secure the network as long as the hashpower is well enough distributed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:22:01 2019 No.15949825 >>15949799 This post gave me cancer.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:22:24 2019 No.15949829

>>15949795
you can there is no rule that will prevent this in any implementation. it's empirically impossible too, since no node could check it in retrospect. how could you check if block 375 had all of it's transactions broadcast when your node first started at block 789 but was offline from block 894 to block 1230 and so on.

al you have to validate is the blockchain and the blockchain is valid so long the actual rules are enforced.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:26:26 2019 No.15949863

>>15949825
well it's too risky to attack bt like this while the effects would be minimal, and incredibly cheap and easy and low risk to attack sv like this and the effects would be devastating. so which one is secure? heh fuckers you still don't get it.
a minority hash pow chain is worthless because it is extremely vulnerable the nakamoto consensus don't work properly. you rely on the benevolence of miners something that is an anathema to bitcoin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:27:25 2019 No.15949869 >>15949829 Even SPVs are capable of verifying whether or not a transaction is legitimate. Show me a SINGLE fucking example of a miner slipping transactions into a block that was accepted by the network.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:27:56 2019 No.15949870 >>15949863 That's related to hashpower, not blocksize. Are you serious?

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:42:56 2019 No.15949989

>>15949869
how would i know which 0 fee tx included in a block is done by the miner himself? that's the point nobody could prove it thus nobody could disallow it. you can't make rules against this shit. would be impossible to enforce.

>>15949870
related to both, since even if a miner starts mining garbage on btc chain he could only do 1 meg blocks. the effect of which is a lot less catastrophic than 2 gig blocks every 10 minute since btc blocks are already full it would only cause a little congestion in the mempool. nothing unusual.

so yes it is related to the blocksize as far as the effects go. but the hash distribution makes it already hard and extremely unlikely on btc chain. while same can not be said about sv it's childs play to do this there if a malicious miner would decide so. for example a miner group decides to short sv while doing an attack like this? they would be able to profit immensely even if they are reorged by a fork in the end. can't even really attempt the same with btc but if they tried it would cost them a lot.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:50:11 2019 No.15950058

>>15949989
>how would i know which 0 fee tx included in a block is done by the miner himself?
That isn't what is being argued. I don't care if a miner makes a transaction. What you are talking about is a miner putting transactions into a block without broadcasting it to the network first.

Massive blocks only incentivize miners on SV it cost more (in fees) to put more data on chain, which means more money for the miner.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:56:20 2019 No.15950111

>>15950058
>What you are talking about is a miner putting transactions into a block without broadcasting it to the network first.
how would you know that? there is no possible way to tell. a miner that is reasonably sure he can mine every 4th 5th block will simply include his tx in the block he prepares without broadcasting. or he can choose to (but not required to) broadcast it. you would never in a billion years able to tell which one he picked unless you have access to the detailed logs of other miners (but even then you can only suspect) because it's not something you can check, prove or enforce.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:57:44 2019 No.15950125

>>15950058
also you are trying to cling to an inconsequential detail i said off hand, because hey fuck it let the malicious miner broadcast his tx for all i care. just for arguments sake. he broadcasts and yes no other miner would pick them but he does. what changed? nothing. you are clinging to air.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:01:49 2019 No.15950166 >>15947391 just buy bsv and do nothing you'll make more money anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:02:52 2019 No.15950177 >>15950111 Just get in and thank me later https://pastebin.com/vimu1j95

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:05:59 2019 No.15950196 >>15950177 thanks dude when i fucked your mother i did not expect you to pay for it.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:07:23 2019 No.15950204

>>15950111
>how would you know that?
What do you think miners are doing when they verify blocks created by other miners? If a transaction isn't broadcast to the network its invalid.

>>15950125
I suppose it's worth a shot. Would be interesting to see someone do it. It wouldn't really matter much in the end though. Miners are free to prune data. It's in the whitepaper. So in the end the attacker is confused and hit itself in confusion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:11:56 2019 No.15950242 File: 177 KB, 320x240, 7ab.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15942688 This man is unironically the real Satoshi Nakamoto

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:14:55 2019 No.15950263

>>15950204
>If a transaction isn't broadcast to the network its invalid.
that's bullshit but go ahead and prove it if you can! no such rule was ever enforced.

>It wouldn't really matter much in the end though.
i'm not so sure about that, it would definitely cause a catastrophic chain split and chaos the price action would be worse than hiroshima aftermath.

as for pruning, sure, but isn't sv all about the immutable blockchain storing data forever? if you start pruning what's the point of putting data there? it's way too expensive for any ambivalence.

but sure it would be very interesting to see what happens i agree. would the honest miners step in like with the segwit replay attacks?

we only expect them to be self interested but they shown benevolence again and again.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:17:50 2019 No.15950284

>>15950263
also consider the following:
there is no way currently on any bitcoin fork to trustlessly sync up with the network from pruning nodes. yup. this shit haven't been solved in 10 fucking years. the problem is the valid utxo set needs to be built from the genesis block and validate the currently longest chain of valid blocks. it's crazy but pruning can only be done if there are still enough non pruning nodes.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:30:12 2019 No.15950369

>>15950284
hmm i wonder if we put a corresponding canonically ordered utxo set deterministic hash in every block header maybe the headers would be enough to validate any intermediate utxo set and subsequent blocks received from peers. the following proof of work that is verifiable would make it extremely improbable the utxo set received from peers was spoofed.

but again this could only safely work on a majority hash chain. so not sure if helpful for sv.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:34:38 2019 No.15950391

>>15950263
>i'm not so sure about that, it would definitely cause a catastrophic chain split
For why? Adding data to the blockchain doesn't cause forks.

>as for pruning, sure, but isn't sv all about the immutable blockchain storing data forever?
The events are stored forever in the blockheader. It's up to the market to decide whether or not data is worth storing. Some miners will prune, some won't. At some point the future I wouldn't be surprised if long term storage of data is more specialized.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:39:11 2019 No.15950419

>>15950391
>Adding data to the blockchain doesn't cause forks.
simply nodes running out of memory and disk at first resulting in temporary measures implemented or options adjusted to ignore unduly large blocks in certain nodes that would carry on an alternative chain.

The events are stored forever in the blockheader.
they are not only the merkle root which gives no information for building up or validating your utxo set. they can only help you select the longest chain. but how that longest chain look like and in validating subsequent blocks you would need to trust someone.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:43:49 2019 No.15950455

>>15950419
fuck this is very interesting to me i have been thinking a lot about how we could hake off the transactions of the past as undue burden and limit the space the blockchain hogs without losing the trustless nature of it all.

this is what i would expect the big brains in bitcoin to work on. but what they do instead? they fuck around with off chain solutions and fucking weather apps and non deterministic contracts and builtin tumblers...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:44:22 2019 No.15950461 >>15950419 >simply nodes running out of memory and disk Pruning. If a miner can't handle a single 10 min block time he needs to upgrade or find a new job. Blockheaders can verify the blockchain without trusting anyone. It's in the whitepaper.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:00:35 2019 No.15950588 >>15950461 miners are not the only ones on the network. the financial nodes the service nodes they all have their limits. i bet your ass not all miner can handle a 2 gig block even on sv. maybe thy think they can but in practice they would crash.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:07:07 2019 No.15950642

>>15950461
not to mention you need to store at least 100 blocks (or a hell of a lot more in case of sv) to gather enough proof of work memory to ward against possible chain-splits due to comm issues or hostile reorgs. if you only store like 10 then the possibility of an unintentional split becomes way too possible.

100 is a good enough number for btc. but btc has 100 times the hash of sv. so maybe sv would need 10000 blocks. that's like 21 terabytes tops. unless all block limit is removed of course because then fuck knows.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:11:26 2019 No.15950668

>>15950642
but pruning miners are a slippery slope that has not been explored sufficiently. after a while it would become impossible to start a new mining pool in a trustless manner. only existing pools could "sire" new ones but then the question would arise are they even truly separate pools? ad for the general public we could never hope to validate what the miners are working with if they are still honest. which is something anyone can do on btc to this date.

this whole shit is not so simple right now. you can't just wave a hand and say pruning. and spv wallets are even worse for sv.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:15:33 2019 No.15950697

>>15950588
>the financial nodes the service nodes they all have their limits
SPV

> i bet your ass not all miner can handle a 2 gig block even on sv
Get a new job.

>>15950642
>not to mention you need to store at least 100 blocks
Only require the blockheaders.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:16:20 2019 No.15950708 >>15950668 scratch that last part i just figured out how you can do spv clients maybe that will not actually be worse than a pruning node.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:17:31 2019 No.15950716

>>15950697
>Only require the blockheaders.
you need all the block headers all of them and need about 100 blocks in full. unless you are ready to give up from the trustless permissionless secure nature of bitcoin. but then fuck you find yourself an other crypto to ruin!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:18:37 2019 No.15950723 >>15950697 service nodes can't do spv, financial nodes maybe, depending on the transaction load they have and spv implementation may not make sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:19:15 2019 No.15950727 >>15950716 >and need about 100 blocks in full sauce

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:24:10 2019 No.15950760

>>15950727
it's an arbitrary number but seems about right if i had to put a number of blocks that can't possibly under any circumstances be reorged on btc chain that would be around 100. btc has to be able to handle deep reorgs to keep the chain unsplit. let's say you (and everyone else) only keep 10 blocks and consider everything past that immutable history. then china splinters off the internet, natural disaster commies going full retard war whatever. so 2 hours china is offline but their net works domestically... that's 12 blocks reorg at china coming online. only it's no longer possible. from then on you got 2 bitcoins chains. any client would pick one and sync with that. too risky. same shit with the bch reorg protection. they are crazy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:27:14 2019 No.15950790 >>15950760 You only need the blockheaders in the event of a reorg. Which is why I asked for sauce, because you're talking out your ass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:42:21 2019 No.15950903 File: 61 KB, 510x680, 1567184796666.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15950760 >54 posts by this ID

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:48:34 2019 No.15950950

>>15950790
no you don't get it... the block headers only help you with picking the longest valid chain in certain circumstances. you need the right utxo set for the last known valid header. and need to be able to build on that to the latest valid block. otherwise you have no idea what's going on. no idea if any transaction you observe is valid.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 20:54:42 2019 No.15950989

>>15950950
which is why i was talking about including the utxo hash into the header remember? because then you could accept an earlier utxo and validate it (and with) to the longest chain with the most proof of work. but this is somewhat how to say unstable towards the end. you certainly need at the very least 6 to 10 blocks in full even when there is no special calamity at hand just to handle normal reorgs and network latencies. it's all probabilistic but when shit hits the fan you may need a hell of a lot more than 6.

and by you i mean miners and everyone else those that only use spv or other lightweight clients don't matter anyhow. the pruning nodes can only safely prune blocks that are history.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 21:02:21 2019 No.15951021 >>15949708 >the virgin emotional conman who flails his extremites as a circus act to distract from his incompetence VS >the chad brainotron 3000 who zeroes in on the virgin with an death ray of comprehension, expertise and logic

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 21:04:32 2019 No.15951037 >>15951021 seriously? we are back to that level of discussion?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 21:09:12 2019 No.15951064 >>15951037 I can't be bothered to engage in a serious discussion on BSV rethorics, anon. Congratulations on your patience thoug.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 21:27:38 2019 No.15951184 >>15951064 kinda lost my patience there >>15949259 but weirdly enough i made a few new realizations and some deeper understanding trying to explain basic shit here.

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