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eyes forward wagie, don't make me get the cagie

>> No.15845443

why are so many companies hell bent on making the office experience as miserable and dehumanizing as possible? why don't more companies allow working from home? are we being experimented on?

>> No.15845531

>>15845443
Some companies do this, they're trying to dissolve offices entirely and instead have general meeting rooms/cafe's where you can meet clients or co-workers. You'd expect this is where things should head in general, completely online businesses. In the future you could simply meet in VR, no need for a office space, corporate car, fuel charges and so on. employers and employees would save lots of resources.

>> No.15845554

>>15845443

I don't know if they're trying to do it. Maybe they are. But, certainly, there's an overall decline in competence in our society at large. Stupid people have bad ideas.

>> No.15845556

>>15845531
I can't do this in my line of work since I handle physical product. Due to the nature of the product (precious metal) the workplace is also basically a prison. I hate my job.

>> No.15845577

>>15845556
Do you pack Boomer rocks for a place like APMEX?

>> No.15845579

>>15845556
I guess you chose the wrong business.

>> No.15845601

>>15845554
>overall decline in competence in our society

explain

>> No.15845619

>>15845443
A wise man once told me anything that reduces the amount of human contact in our daily lives will be a success. Long panasonic.

>> No.15845638

>>15845577
No, we do precious metal fab for industrial applications

>> No.15845641

>>15845554
I don't know, there's also a lot more people calling in sick who aren't really sick but simply don't want to work that day and it's trendy to do so among their agegroup (30-40). So now you have insurance corporations selling products so employers can deal with this issue without solving the root problem that is lying employees and a lack of work ethic.

But what I want to say is that a product like this horse blinder for people is just treating a sympton of a bigger issue which is people being generally childish with eachother. Such as woman and their sexual harrasment claims because someone they find ugly looked at them or their butt or w/e. Even though it's in the man's nature to do so. Or someone stopping by an office cubicle to have a chat, that's just being social. Childish nonsense like that. So you get really childish and strange solutions because corporations are treating it as if it is a real problem, even though it isn't and everyone should stop being so overly sensitive.

Not sure if that makes sense but that's kind of what I'm getting from this all.

>> No.15845673

>>15845531
This. It seems like some companies are moving forward while others are moving back.

>> No.15845677

>>15845443
social mobility is low. So rich people were smart, built up an empire, then their kids are entitled moronic brats who like to make everyone miserable, if not through malice, through sheer incompetence.
Then the middle managers are usually there by seniority. The smart ones retired early, and the remaining ones are bitter they are still broke. They turn into masochists, hoping to bring others down with them.
To oversimplify it.
They hear a stupid idea and think it will make them twice as rich overnight, so they order the wagies to do it. They rarely have to deal with the negative impacts, because they're either in a big company that can't fail, or if they're risking on dumb startups they've probably got so much money they don't care if its the 90% that fail.

>> No.15845679

>>15845380
Where can I get one of those? I hate when other people distract me.

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>>15845443
Front line wage marine here. They are trying to turn us into fucking worms. It is excruciating. If I don’t make it in 3 years it’s lights out for me bros.

>> No.15845799

>>15845601

It's not just the meme about average IQ declining (which it is but there's a not so simple explanation for that). It's a combination of that fact that not only are we in the end-of-empire days where degeneracy is high and skill acquisition is low but that we're reaching a point of complexity where the layers are getting too think. By that I mean, for example, people are now learning programming who have no idea how a computer actually works. There are many people acting as cogs in a great machine who have no understanding of the underlying structure, how it functions, how to repair it, how to create it, etc.

tl;dr Society is like Microsoft Windows. Each release is built on top of the previous one. They couldn't build a new OS from scratch if they *wanted* to. And we will shamble along, for however long, until we can't anymore. And then, we won't.

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15845813

What are they supposed to do with their farts?

>> No.15845823

>>15845641

I also think that this sort of thing isn't necessarily as wide-spread as it's made out to be, based on the articles written about it.

As for modern work ethic, I do agree but I also see the opposite. Younger people do have more demanded of them now than was previously the case. We used to talk about what we'll do when the work week reach 20 hours, then 10, then 5, etc. Now, it's going in the other direction. It's getting worse, not better. I know of offices that have moved to 30 minute lunches. The people who work there, their parents go an hour. The meme is real. Boomers have it better than their parents... and their kids.

>> No.15845844

>>15845698

Lmao, I said this every year for the past 7 years. In reality, we must be strong, so that things can change one day. If not for us, then for our kids. A real country, instead of a bugopolis shopping mall.

No matter how hard it rains, withstand the pain.

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>> No.15845998

>>15845981
biz appreciates you coming through anon

>> No.15846016

>>15845799
This is the most retarded shit I've ever heard

>> No.15846313

>>15846016
That anon's just restating Tainter.

Except the amount of complexity itself isn't bad and isn't a guarantee of collapse. What matters is the inflection point when additional complexity has a negative rate of return.

Taking Microsoft's H1b's and having them build off ENIAC instead of Windows 10 (or, taken to an extreme, rebreeding all agricultural crops from wild strains) is absolutely possible but that fact is absolutely irrelevant.

Conversely if you get complex enough rockets to make asteroid mining feasible, that investment pays off greatly. You should weigh that against the kind of investments where we have teams of MDs figure out how to squeeze out an extra 3 months of life for a 40 BMI welfare case.

>> No.15846366

>>15846016
>This is the most retarded shit I've ever heard

Interesting argument.

>> No.15846434

>>15846016
he's right and you're gay

>> No.15846442

>>15845443
I don't know enough about working psychology, but I'm pretty sure the just do it because they can boost efficiency at the cost of humanism. They try to push legal limits and what people are ready to accept.

generally there will always be people ready to accept miserable conditions, because for some even worse await if they don't take a job like that.

>> No.15846472

>>15845799
desu senpai you might wanna avoid consuming politics. That shit fucks up your worldview and puts a negative spin on everything.
It's never been better to be alive than the modern age. Ofcourse every time has it's drawbacks. I think the main difference is you no longer have communities supporting you, and instead you're attempting to do the right thing purely based off your own ability to get the right information (i.e how to make money work for you).

>> No.15846518

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ge-to-freeze-pensions-for-about-20000-employees-stock-surges-2019-10-07

>wageslave for years
>company exit scams on you

LMAO how do wagies cope?

>> No.15846630

>>15845443
Because what are you going to do about it? Quit? Then corporate will find someone to do it for less or grab a poo who will do it for almost nothing.
As for working remotely, I think more companies are moving in that direction but the boomers have trust issues. If they don't "see" you, you're not really working to them.

>> No.15846664

>>15845641
>given pto
>DONT US IT HOW WILL MR SHEKELBERG REACH HIS QUOTA

>> No.15846695

>>15846518
Reminds me of United Airlines cutting the pensions of their mechanics basically entirely

Gotta love America

>> No.15846706

>>15845799
>professionals should essentially reinvent the wheel to begin working or building from something
Not so.
>the modern world is degenerate
In some very minor ways that are not important.
>IQ looks as if it's declined
The majority of population's, but was always the case.

>> No.15846712

Thank god I have my 10K link stack so I can escape this shitshow sometime before 30

>> No.15846725

>>15845554
and keynesian economics gives manipulative people with bad ideas money that they didn't earn so that they can actualize twisted and dehumanizing scenarios that last forever

>> No.15846881

>>15845981
I think we wagies should kill ourselves at this point in time.

Life is a fucking scam where you are made to lose.