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Fuck. Why can't I be INTJ instead of INTP. I don't fit in with the corporate world. I want to work in bursts when I want and how I want. I like to keep plans to a minimum. No to-do lists. Just give me complete freedom, don't expect anything and then I am insanely productive. But no workplace is like that. Just waiting for Sergey to pull it off so I have money to do my own thing

>> No.15789047

yeah I'm exactly like that. If I wasn't able to make it on my own investing I'd probably be digging holes somewhere

>> No.15789056

>>15789035
being the smartest MBTI type has its drawbacks. you cant have everything in life

>> No.15789065

Any infj? Checking in

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Dude I did IT for a while and quit to become a truck driver. I'm by myself and don't need to talk to anyone unless something goes wrong and I just listen to black metal and audio books all day.

I also do art and trade stonks/crapto in my spare time so maybe one day I can do that for a living.

>> No.15789081

>>15789035
also tested as an intj, but i strongly feel this way

>> No.15789115

>>15789047
>>15789056
>>15789077
>>15789081
>https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/judging-or-perceiving.htm
This explains the whole problem

>> No.15789152

>>15789077
Honestly sounds nice. My family would disown me though

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>>15789115
What if you're an INTP, but just enlightened enough to know that the material world is a short sighted illusion and that the real existence is far beyond this rock in space floating in nowhere.

>> No.15789180

>>15789152
>My family would disown me though

they sound like fags

>> No.15789220

>>15789035
Mfw when waging in an office waiting for link to moon so I can pursue my real life.

>> No.15789227

>>15789035
Tested as INTJ but feeling I'm an INTP. I'm lazy as fuck and don't like giving or receiving orders. Fuck

>> No.15789236

>>15789035
INTJs are the same you're thinking of entj

>> No.15789237

>>15789077
Until long hull routes get automated... I rather build my own SaaS business and make bank why constantly living on the move around the world. That is the real dream.

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>>15789035
I am an INTJ or ENTJ in most tests. I've build my own personal heaven. I am 23 years old and i have my very own bussiness i have a plant nersery. The nursery is on approximately 2 Hectars of land. I am the only worker. I take care of my plants and sell them. I even have an online site for sells. I also live here. I tell you fucking heaven i live in a third world country but i net around 50k$ USD, the margin is around 50% in the sale of plants so after taxes i net around 20k$ USD. But this is actually not the main income i have a weed growing basement where i net around 60k$ USD a year so thath's good aswelll

>> No.15789286

>>15789276
>i have a weed growing basement where i net around 60k$ USD a year so thath's good aswelll


until you get shot.

>> No.15789320

>>15789286
yea god bless i hope it wont happen soon, it's deep in a mountain cave powered by diesel generators. i only have to go there 2 times a week to check up with installments. and do some work. if any1 has questions would love to help. i have phd in botanics

>> No.15789350

>>15789065
Here. If I make it I will start a political counterrevolution and reinstate the monarchy in my country.
Only reason for making it is to be able to manipulate politics.

>> No.15789363

ENTP here. Y'all look like office shooters.

>> No.15789377

>>15789320
which 3rd world do you live in.

What strains do you grow? are you just in it for the commercial.

Do you do hydro or soil grown, I guess there is water accessible nearby too.

Also who turns on the generators, how do you hids the sound of generators running, especially diesels.

If you deal in a cash business with your plant nursery, you can easily wash some money through that.

Also you pay 30% income tax, what the fuck gives..

>> No.15789407

>>15789035
atleast youre not infp. dont fit in corporate environment and very emotional

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>>15789035
Convert to ENTJ masterrace idiot

>> No.15789424
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15789424

ENTP Natural Leader masterrace.

Feels incredible when people flock to you naturally even if they hate or despise you (especially then.)

Boner levels its impossible to describe.

>> No.15789449

>>15789363

Based.

ENTP Smart enough to be above the gaggle, charismatic to be among them and seen as one. Greatest leaders in history were ENTP, you know Trump is.

>> No.15789454

>>15789320
living the dream man I love plants and used to grow weed byself but stopped because of paranoia. my dream is to retire in the next 10-20 years, buy a plot of land in a legal state and just grow weed and veggies.

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>>15789276
Sounds comfy as fuck

>> No.15789465

>>15789236
intp and intj are not similar. internal intuition is very different from internal thinking

>> No.15789480

>>15789454
also Im INTP and make 75k working from home. I work like 2-3 hours a day and my bosses love me. with the career trajectory Im on Im looking at mulitpole six figures in the next couple of years and hopefully retirement in 16. how I beat my procrastination? I hung out with online marketing faggots and saw how much money they were making and some of their hard working attitude rubbed off on me. I still hate to work and procrastinate all the time but I get shit done when I have to.

>> No.15789490

>>15789035
INTJ and INTP if you arent self emplyed or at least at a job where they leave you alone youre just doing it wrong

>> No.15789593

>>15789424
>>15789449
yall got some stuff for me to read? whenver i take it i get entj or entp. entp lately

>> No.15789630

Every time I took this I got INTJ am I fucked?

>> No.15789648

>>15789480
Same place but 50% more work and income... It's crazy, the situation is so good but on a daily basis I struggle with getting shit done.

>> No.15789666

>>15789630

no? many of us here are INTJs. we are "rare" in general society but we flock to this shit. find a job where you don't work with people a lot, doing programming, analytics, etc. i started doing tech support (which sucked) and eventually worked my way up to doing backend server/development work in the same company.

>> No.15789693

>>15789035
intp here. i absolutely do not despise being a leader. i find it suits me well

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15789716

INFP is worse, because of feels.

>> No.15789725

>>15789666
INTJ reporting in !
My company started doing SCRUM and then SAFE which makes me want to leave it, but I managed to be allowed to not attend most of the meetings and can plan my tasks mostly myself.
If I was forced to work like the other developers which spend 40% of their time in useless meetings I would already have left the company.
I am preparing myself through /biz for the slow death of my company due to this new planning method which completely ignores reality and takes half of the development time away for useless meetings.

>> No.15789747

Being and INTJ (I'm one) isn't great because if you don't care about what you're doing it's insufferable.I'm not passionate about hardly anything so all the education and working your way up to get to what I actually like is painful.

Also I struggle with depression and I don't like most capitalist industries so it's really hard to be invested in anything.

>> No.15789752

INTP here

I don't give a fuck about nothing. Let me be a NEET in peace.

>> No.15789829

xntp here.i don’t despise being a leader rather I am incapable of getting people to follow me. Now being a follower is absolute hell I will agree

>> No.15789889

>>15789725
My scrum daily meetings take 10m tops
We also mostly ignore the end meeting, just kinda meld it into next Sprint planning, takes about 1 hour every two weeks
We don't do any of the other bullshit, but daily meetings and a board with prioritized tasks is awesome
Pretty comfy
INTJ reporting

>> No.15789931

INTP forever fuck everyone else in the world

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>>15789725
Just googled safe
W
T
F
>Agile

>> No.15789943

>>15789889
i've only ever worked on agile teams and to be fair it is very effective even if you do it wrong and i love it lol

>> No.15789951

SAFe is an obvious scam but yeah they dropped that on us too

>> No.15790019

>>15789417
I dont know how that makes us masterrace, never being able to relate to people emotionally or even tolerate peoples emotions lol.

Means I split hairs, have turbulant times with my romances because I literally dont give a monkies if I wanna do something. Piss on peoples chips all the time (just say shit with no sugar coating that crushes them).

>> No.15790037

>>15790019
i respect your ability to Deliver Effective Criticism while i pussily avoid directly crushing people, as you say

>> No.15790066

>>15789035
Omfg this pic just summed up my life

>> No.15790139

>>15789350
holy shit are you 1:1 me?
just a little tip:
as soon as you got enough attraction to really change something in your country, you will have a heart attack or car accident or something similiar.
better have some deadman switches ready.

>> No.15790185

>>15789178
ARCANE KNOWLEDGE ANON, DO NOT SPEAK OF THIS EVER AGAIN

>> No.15790316

>>15789480
What do you mean you hung out with online marketing faggots? You met them in person?

>> No.15790332

>>15789889
The problem for me starts when the management thinks merging 2 Scrum teams into one somehow makes sense and now there are 20 people in the Scrum team. For some reason the developers start to talk about their tasks even though only 3 from the 20 understand what they are saying. The daily stand up thus takes between 30-50 minutes, but I only have to addend it one time a week...
SAFE is pure insanity and is the opposite of what SCRUM is but somehow SAFE is only an extension of SCRUM lol. The team spends 2 weeks preparing the next SAFE planning every 2-3 months, then everybody has to go to a different location with a long commute for a 2 day planning. Finally when we start working, after a few weeks, the unrealistic plan is invalid, but people still have to force themselves to solve the unplanned problems and to finish longer/harder than expected tasks in time.
From my perspective SCRUM/SAFE is useless micro management, only good for new employees and dumb people. I have always planned my tasks myself efficiently since I started working in this company and never needed SCRUM or anybody else telling me what I should be doing and when. For example with SAFE I have deadlines for tasks which could be reported by 1/2 month when an urgent problem occurs and needs my time. But instead of doing the sensible thing I now instead have to do both at the time because the unplanned tasks do not exist according to SAFE, and the not urgent planned SAFE task is somehow more important.

>>15789934
There are 2 employees who have a full time job reading this picture from the website and writing processes to force this on us. How can something so complicated be useful ?
It constantly reminds me of what Steve Jobs said about Xerox and how sales people get control of the company and make poor decisions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1rXqD6M614

>> No.15790422

>>15790037
its abit whack but if the time comes and you have to put your foot down why not call a turd a turd, im not gonna rub your belly and give you positive reinforcement when you clearly just fucked around and been negligent.

Its not even something I think about, until maybe someone approaches me (usually a woman) telling me about how I could have been kinder, or more subtle or even sensitive.

Or, the other person could have just done they're FUCKNG JOB and we would avoid the situation from transpiring at all.

>> No.15790464

>>15790019
I will also add, Im either very well liked or despised, People see me as passionate or a complete arrogant asshole (generally those who feel 'threatened' by me, y'know, those weak ass little bitches, that cant even shake a hand correctly.)

>> No.15790670

>>15790464
>>15790037
Do you have friends or a social circle ?
Somehow the older I become the less I can tolerate peoples stupidity and excessive feelings.
I don't know any other INTJ in my company, but they probably left when SAFE was implemented, and I now keep the social interactions to a minimum to avoid getting other peoples task getting dumped on me.
/biz also changed me enough to make it very hard for me to keep my previous friends who have a slave mentality.

>> No.15790700

>>15789889
Damn... that sounds nice

There's 4 of us in team working on a pretty big app for android, ios and web. We have release day in 2 weeks and 2 of us had to spend 5 hours today in a planning meeting instead of fixing the several hundreds of bugs present. Yesterday all of us spent 30 fucking minutes listening to some corporate head customer about how this project is important. It's like they want us to be late.

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>>15789178
INTP devout muslim master race reporting in

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mfw seems like always when there is a MBTI thread like this, i'm the only ISTP

>> No.15790787

>>15790766
you use the same function of internal thinking as intp. so you're the only smart sensing type. contrats. just a little dumber than intp

>> No.15790806

>>15789035
ISTP here. Felt

>> No.15790807

>>15789035
As an ENTP I feel like this applies to me as well

>> No.15790846

I can literally never take these tests because they ask questions such as "do you have problems making friends". And when I go talk on discord and other chatrooms, I tend to have little problems doing so. It's just that... I don't want to make friends on this planet and end up blocking everyone. Because they are too normie/autistic/whatever. I still indulge in escapism, however. And I tend to be extremely rational and logical. What's my type, Anons?

>> No.15790954

>>15790846
I read somewhere that you can only be friends with people who have an IQ difference of less than 15 points due to difference in thinking and communication. I realized how true this was when I found out that all my friends were gifted people with an IQ >= 125. However as time went by, they became like normies and now have more normie friends, while I now only find similar people on /biz. You are probably too smart for your own good and can only be friends with similarly gifted persons ...

>> No.15790975

This is a retarded roleplay thread. oh i make XXXXXX a year, yeah ok dumbass

>> No.15790979

>>15789417
ENTJ here, bow down to us plebs

>> No.15791064

>>15790979
INTJ here with ENTJ boss. I respect your ability to lead the team in a (mostly) non-infuriating way, and interface with other humans in meetings so I can focus on my technical work.

>> No.15791075

INFP here. It says ideal jobs for them are shit like writing, acting, nutritionist (random but okay), etc. basically anything they can freely express their creativity and work on their own time

I own my own business and work from home as a nutritionist, and plan on getting more into writing one day. Crazy how accurate this shit was, I’ve never taken these type of tests before

>> No.15791101

>>15790846
INTP or ISTP most likely.

>> No.15791172

>>15789035
>Just give me complete freedom, don't expect anything and then I am insanely productive
No anon, you're smart and lazy and you should run a business.

>> No.15791194

>>15791075
This test is really good at giving a list of compatible jobs when you manage to answer the questions correctly.
Finding out that I was an INTJ is what made me want to learn trading and go to /biz as it seems a lot of traders are INTJs.

>> No.15791207

>taking myers-briggs seriously
your personality type is RTRD

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>>15789716

INTP Emotionless master race reporting!!!!


I DON'T FEEL ANYTHING (other than annoyance)!!!

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>>15789178

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>>15789035
I'm balanced just as Aristotle envisioned it, a true Alpha Pneumatic. This test is shit for me and I know that astrology works better anyways.

>> No.15791604

So you guys are all just doing astrology for sperges now? absolute queers

>> No.15791606
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15791606

ENFP reporting in

just took the test

im gonna make it

>> No.15791635

>>15791604
you sound like an ESFP

>> No.15791655

>>15791604
This is worse than astrology, because astrology works.
https://astrologyresearch.co.uk/does-this-prove-astrology/

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>>15789035
4chan spends so much time and effort distantiating themselves from normie culture, then immediately turns around and takes a normie astrology test and starts trumpeting it about like it's the secret key that unlocks their true inner selves.

Myers-Briggs is zodiac signs for corporate cucks which has osmosed into popular culture. There is nothing more cucked and bluepilled than wearing your gay little INTP sticker and thinking it distinguishes you from all the other cattle wearing their ESFJ stickers.

>> No.15791706

>>15791655
no
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology_and_science

>> No.15791735

>>15791706
>rejects research with a biased Wikipedia article
yeah tell me how open "skeptics" are regarding the CIA docs

>> No.15791763

>>15789320
Nobody on 4chan has a PhD. Stopped reading right here.

>> No.15791773

>>15791763
>Nobody on 4chan has a PhD
You're new.

>> No.15791783

>>15791735

50 peer-reviewed research citations vs apophenic fartblast of p-hacking wordpress 'studies'

the choice is yours

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>tfw INTJ but suck at math and dont like computers/computer shit

why have you done this to me god

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>>15791783
>50 peer-reviewed research citations
>cherrypicked
>"peer-reviewed"
pic related is how peer review works

>> No.15792115

>>15791987
As an INTJ you certainly have multiple plans as a workaround to your problem. God certainly likes seeing people struggle.

>> No.15792126

uncomfy INTJ here. not sure how much weight I give to these tests. I just want to make money and be left the fuck alone.

>>15789276
god i wish that were me.

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>>15789035
You're just a lazy special snowflake.

>> No.15792204

>>15792115
>INTJ fag here
tfw want to be free but also rule over a vast bureaucracy because my mind thinks in structural and systemic ways

>> No.15792230

>>15789065

Yep, same here. Rarest personality apparently.

>> No.15792330

>>15789035
I did same test over span of 15 years, it's always the same, intj.
Fuck tests, fuck people, it makes no sense, you will never be a famous person with same letter combinations.
You only notice things written at the end of test about your characteristics, once you've already read it. You didn't have those characteristic, you never knew them, test told you - you have it.
Since test summary, you now see yourself differently, test did a hypnosis on you, for the rest of your life you will be telling everyone what 4 letter characteristics you have and you will be seeking actions to prove and live up to test summary text, you will be just fooling yourself for imaginary 4 letter title while scanning groceries at walmart.

>> No.15792374

>>15791694
The thing there though, ESFJ's don't wear their little ESFJ stickers because their personality type doesn't allow them to give a shit. Go look at youtube videos describing ESFJ personality type, its mostly INTPs wondering what their opposite is like.

>> No.15792429

ENTJ truly master race. Except other ENTJs can fuck off, I'm in charge here.

>> No.15792455

>>15792429
ENTJ here, fuck you I'm the one who's in charge

>> No.15792507

>>15792374
you're still a stickerbitch. And no, in my office everyone has taken MBTS and knows their type and they bring it up constantly like 'LOL that was SUCH and ESTP thing to say, Dave!' And yes, 80% of them are self-professed ESXXs.

The point is no matter what your typing, even if it's an 'alt' or 'outsider' type, you are still being a consummate normie who is voluntarily conforming to a normie rubric and categorization scheme.

Unironically self-identifying with zodiacs and ascendant planets would be better because at least that's a little off the beaten track.

>> No.15792520

>>15790954
>>15791101
Makes sense. One of the few people I ever got along with was some guy in my teens who had some degree of autism/asperger's. I didn't know about autism and shit back then, but it explains some of the inconsiderate/blunt behaviour he put on display every now and then, which was at times really hard to deal with. Was still much more interesting to hang out with than some normie. Thanks.

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>>15792455
Not anymore you're not.

>> No.15792567

>>15789276
Based. Fellow grower and INTJ too. Tell me more about your business please. What plants do you grow? How/who do you sell them and profit for it?

>> No.15792674

Are you guys for real? Myers-briggs is basically horoscopes. Fucking embarrassing.
t. cognition researcher

>> No.15792731

>>15789035
the MBTI is complete bullshit moron.

>> No.15792770

if you want to do a real personality test like the MMPI-2 you have to go to a qualified professional. Look at all those self diagnosed losers oh I'm INTJ that's so me, oh I'm INTP.. no, you're low IQ faggots.

>> No.15792793

>>15792770
>Are you driven?
>I am driven!
>You are driven!
>Omg you guys, this test says that I'm driven!

>> No.15792818

>>15789320
Based Dungeonmaster

>> No.15792830

>>15792793
yeah... all those dumb anons are fucking cringe

>> No.15792839

>>15791567
Based eudaimonic masterrace.

>> No.15792896

>>15790734
lol turbulent fag

>> No.15792907

>>15791694
You don't have to agree with everything Jung supposed but if you don't at least respect him then there is no hope for you as an intellectual so you have no high ground to preach from faggot.

>> No.15792921

>>15791763
It's phd in botanics for fucks sake

>> No.15793049

>>15792907
I'm sorry. Very few things that Jung said are to be taken seriously at all.

>> No.15793223

ITNJ here
it's shitty cause people are complete morons
Source : currently in charge of 60+ people.

>> No.15793269

>>15793223
>60+ people have a scientifically illiterate boss
>It's an abstract sort of feel

>> No.15793480

>>15793223
>ITNJ here
what if i told you you're a moron too?

>> No.15793575

>>15793480
I probably am, but anyways fuck those personality shit tests.
All made up in order to sell your data or a product.

>> No.15793732

>>15793223
Is it worth it ?
Wouldn't it be easier to take a job with less social interaction requirements ?

>> No.15793797

>tfw INTJ excel nerd that EVERYONE relies on
it's hard bros

>> No.15793897

>>15793732
It's hard and I'm still fighting over it, but cannot do it because it's my own company and I'm not ready to sell the company or find the adequate person to replace me.
I've developed trust issues due to that and my lean nature/atmosphere of work (Just do your tasks/job and do whatever you want after) back when starting was filled with daily proof of work checks and targets/goals.
Feelsbadman
Developed trust issues because of that.

>> No.15793900

>>15793797
what's your sign?

>> No.15793917

>>15793049
You have no education.

>> No.15793941

>>15793917
I do actually. But If you are so more educated, show me a metastudy that even hints at Myers-Briggs being more than fortune cookies?

>> No.15793988

>>15791763
>projecting this hard
I have one, too

>> No.15793990

>>15793941
I don't have to because that is a strawman argument you have constructed to rally against. Your statement is that very few things Jung said are to be taken seriously. That belies an extreme lack of understanding of human psychology and anthropology. You couldn't name a student of the human mind who is more qualified and respected than Jung, because you literally do not know any, because you have no education. A common trait of the badly educated is to disregard commonly accepted societal normatives, to "rebell", as a coping mechanism for confusion and redirection of insecurity about one's own status.

Stop angryposting on cartoon websites to make yourself feel superior and pick up a book.

>> No.15794006

Edgy

>> No.15794010

>>15793900
Index match

>> No.15794034

mix between istj and istp here, from reading it im not an emo bitch and use logic more since i have the S

>> No.15794040

>>15793990
So Miller, Kahneman, Pinker, Fucking Skinner, Chomsky aren't respected? Sure Jung made early research, but come on, it's not like any of his works are relevant today. I'm sorry that you think that archetypes are relevant in any form of psychology except for the historic value.

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>>15789035
ISTP here with autism high IQ
We’re all gonna make it brOs

>> No.15794133

>>15793897
Do you have the possibility of delegating a part of your work to a manager ? If you have 20 employees focusing on a particular subject or who need more micro management they could be regrouped under a division leader ?
This could reduce your workload and stress a bit. You could maybe use this to try to mix different management styles as an experiment. Some people need a direct supervision and may work better with it.

>> No.15794315

>>15794040
>Kahneman
Not him but muh respect. And only Skinner had any ideas worth considering or that are anything other than perverted reclamation of universal truth into a joke that has nothing to do with what is true any more. I mean yes reinforcement is real but no you really don't understand people. and yes Chomsky and Kahneman are jokes

>> No.15794326

>>15794315
Compare their work with Myers-Briggs with is my main argument. They have been taken seriously, Myers-Briggs is Buzzfeed-tier.

>> No.15794345

My type is called SMRT
I got 200 IQ and I am related to Craigh Wright.

>> No.15794414

>>15794326
Okay I'm interested in cognitive attitudes. I don't get me wrong i completely understand dismissing it as (pseudoscience). But i'm more interested why i these ideas apply so well to my real life with people who have no idea about it. Its worth considering that Jung might have been on to something. Him being a physiologist or whatever label isn't really important. The man understood people on a very primitive level.

>> No.15794435

>>15794414
as I wrote before
>Are you driven?
>I am driven!
>You are driven!
>Omg you guys, this test says that I'm driven!
The test overtly ask you for your traits and then parrot them back to you. That's why it fits so well, it's the same as horoscopes, people are told to look for a thing and see it.

>> No.15794472

>>15794435
Please demonstrate that you understand what your arguing against with your argument. That's not what the theories about

>> No.15794494

>>15794472
I'm still arguing against Myers-Briggs. I agree with cognitive attitudes, but those theories have been improved a lot since his time. It feels like you just like to say that you have read Jung since you unironically called yourself a "student of the mind"

>> No.15794519

>>15794494
to be fair i never called myself that. If someone said that in this thread it wasn't me. i only took issue when you said Jungs work wasn't relevant today and it only has historical value. I disagree with that

>> No.15794540

My only regret of being an INTJ is to surrounded by a fuckton of plebs every day.

>> No.15794608

>>15789035
I‘m INTP and want to be leader. But it depends in some times I feel more like an ENTP, but that’s like in 10% of the time

>> No.15794617

>>15790734
based akhi <3

>> No.15794896

>>15794608
You might be an isfj

>> No.15795256

>>15789178
Based.

>> No.15795290

I'm an INTP and it's not that I don't like leading, I just prefer to lead myself. :)

>> No.15795394

>>15794896
>isfj
I‘m pretty self centered except for direct blood, even than almost narcissistic

>> No.15795976

>>15795394
as i said

>> No.15795988

>>15789035
>Why can't I be INTJ instead of INTP.
Are you sure you're an INTP, because to me you sound like you're a faggot

>> No.15795989

INTP here. But from all the other INTP's on 4chan I thought INTP was the most common type among all people? Is it not?

>> No.15796059

>>15789065
Yooo
We out here bro

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>>15789035
I read this post earlier today and it made me so fucking depressed. It's not even that I hate my boss or my job, it's just that we are a total mismatch because of my INTP tism. Other bs going on in my life too pushing me to destructive behavior like drinking my sorrows away. Fuck.

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>>15790332
>what Steve Jobs said about Xerox and how sales people get control of the company and make poor decisions

I am not a programmer, but I have worked at numerous tech companies (accountant) and every single fucking one had this issue. Sales people should not lead companies, they drive them into the ground with short-term overly optimistic thinking. All too often they think landing deals and "getting the message out" is the absolute number one measure of a company, not actually creating a working product or having functional internal processes.

>> No.15796414

>>15789035
>myers-briggs
Unless you've taken several 500+ question batteries which have also been analyzed by a psychologist or psychiatrist, the results of these things are incredibly dubious.
Taking one or two of them, probably years apart, is about as useful for describing your personality as it is to take a handful of IQ tests years apart and think you have an accurate description of your intelligence.

>> No.15796444

>>15796414
>>15789035
>>15795989
Big 5 has actual predictive validity. Myers-Briggs does not. Stop buying into this shit.

>> No.15797118

>>15789035
That "paradox" is based on a complete misunderstanding of the INTP position.

In reality, INTPs don't mind being leaders, but we generally don't have the charisma to get anyone to follow us.

Nor do we generally mind being followers, though we will not be unconditional followers, and other followers may not accept us.

>> No.15797177

>>15789035
>rogue human
as an intp i'm not really seeing the problem with this considering the alternatives

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>>15789035
I'll take being an INTP anyday, are you kidding me.

I study for my organic chem, differential eqns and eng physics exam 30 min before each and 100% the classes and then go home and jerk off to hentai, yes please.

Every personality has it's strong and weak points, stop being a bitch

>> No.15797242

>>15789725
Dev here, company also just implemented this. Horrible management strategy.

>> No.15797258

>>15796444
What about big hero 6?

>> No.15797270

>>15789934
so this is why people shoot up their workplace...

>> No.15797384

>>15789449
ENTPs can be weird as fuck. Used to hang out in a trading channel and there was this one ENTP dude who was so likable but hateable at the same time. They have this weird ability to convince people of literally anything.

>> No.15797436

>>15792567
almost everything from all types of conifereus trees like: cypressus, chamaeocyparuss, pinias. Hedges, bushes, anual flowers, pirennials like everything for the garden my product catalog has around 700 different species of trees, plants and stuff

I sell them from my online shop and actual store. where i take care of them in my nursery

>> No.15797469

>>15789377
I can't tell you i m really paranoid from this stuff. its my first year trying it.

I packed last year the cheapest at royals queens that were on sale. And some of the local weed as well hehe

I've done'em in soil. Actually for about 100 plants u don't need a lot of water 40liters of water would be enough for a watering day. did every other day

the generator was used to water them fast for few minutes

i m not currently netting the money at once but calculations are like that

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>>15789178
>and that the real existence is far beyond this rock in space floating in nowhere
then you still have much to learn

>> No.15797505

>>15789461
OMG I cant take a picture of my office but it's the fucking god damn same thing ahahahhahahha, made my day
BASED

>> No.15797521

>>15789350
literal delusional pussy. Anybody with half a brain can see through your bullshit. You wouldnt have the nuts or wherewithal to do anything you say. You should start a revolution in your mind/soul first, then maybe you will be able to make a dent in reality. "Making it" is internal not external.

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>>15791207
underrated

>> No.15797560

>>15793990
OTOH, accusing somebody of "insecurity" is literally clueless and passive aggressive roastie-tier arguing. It's not founded in any kind of reality. Instead it's a personal dunning-kruger rationalization of often times reasonable behaviour displayed by others ("I do not understand it, therefore it must be insecurity, because I believe to be one step ahead, when really I am one step behind"). Or a shaming tactic. For people to conform to "societal normatives" (e.g. wifing up a disloyal slut whore) only because being clueless is "popular". Which somehow relates to "status", I am sure. Your entire text in general has no substance. And you are trying to use some vague accusations in order to shame... yeah. It's meaningless and anti-scientific drivel. Though the conversation between the two of you generally is drivel. And your reply then pretty much represents the epitome thereof.

I'm sorry for you that the psychologists on your planet are mentally challenged and people get more and more depressed and ill because of it.

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>>15789065
>always right in between INTP and INTJ
what am i

>> No.15797588

Of course the "logical" reply to my post would be the "incel" accusation. Which is then more meaningless drivel without basis. Based on a kind of narcissism even, maybe, since people are unable to acknowledge their own flaws, huh. Due to their by nature overly inflated ego.

>> No.15797678

>>15789077
>I just listen to black metal
I've been listening to the same 3 albums on repeat for the last couple of months. I'm in dire need of album recommendations.

>> No.15797757

>>15790316
yes I moved to SEA for a while and was introduced to abunch of faggots in online marketing. like legit ballers who make tons of money, one guy who runs several top offers on clickbank, another pulling half a million a year selling golf equipment. I met one dude who was 23 and was raking in 50 grand a month with some facebook scam, he showed me his account stats. thats what tipped me over the edge I figured these guys arent smarter than me and if they are raking it in so should I. Im nowhere near these levels yet but making a very comfy income it gave me a kick in the ass

>> No.15797813

>>15795989
We flock together here because despite being a shithole, it's a comfy shithole.
You can get enough social interaction without having to do the bothersome parts.

>> No.15797840

>>15797678
>recommendations
>same album
Come on man dont hold out

>> No.15797873

Whoever thinks myers-briggs is just like a horoscope is a fucking retard

Also to get the correct type you are you have to be completely honest with yourself and the test

>> No.15798259

>>15797436
Cool! Last question since I'm new to the field and pretty desperate: how did you start? I mean how did you sell your product at the beginning? (Like "hello, wanna buy a tree?") How many years to go from zero to where you are now?

>> No.15798274

>>15797873
typical INTJ/Scorpio

>> No.15798372

>>15798259
Well it started before 2 years. My parents were actually building parks and recreations. Where they are funded by Local Municipality. They also do landscaping. They came up with the idea of having a place where they can have all the left-over or not used plants from the sites for sale. On that path-way now focused i go around the country buying a lot of plants in bulk from local growers. In the country side some families grow one species of plants the other family grows a different one. It's all about finding the manufactureres and buying in bulk. And then setting the price and calculating everything. I also travel around europe especially in Netherlands and Italy for stock to re-sell or re-fabricate in my country. We have a factory where we grow our own products aswell. We have 3 Plant nurseries and a manufacturing depot

>> No.15798387

>>15798259
Pro-tip my family had a capital like 2 - 3 millions in everything the whole landscaping company was founded 10-15 years ago the nurseries are my expansion of their business while i mature enough to take care of theirs aswell

>> No.15798398

>>15798387
kek, anons with poor families btfo

>> No.15798870

>>15798372
>>15798387
Cool thank you for your answer. As a poor italian faggot I think I'll just stay poor, in this world if you are a normal fag like myself you just need money to make money. Good luck with everything anon.

>> No.15799566

INFP checking in jfl at intp's thinking that personality type has anything to do with intelligence your still a fucking NEET on 4chan

>> No.15800006

>>15789077
Fuck that actually sounds pretty cozy

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>>15789035
Also INTP, I feel similarly. I highly recommend looking into becoming an entrepreneur if you feel this way. You work when you wanna work, and you earn exactly what you're worth. Your job does not come from the dice roll of which idiot happens to be willing to employ you, but rather its of your own making. There are thousands of ways to make money. Find something, make it work. If it fails, try something else. Having a stable job to sustain yourself and fund these projects is a good idea as a stepping stone towards it, but once you find something that works, ditch em.

>> No.15800147

>>15789081
Because it applies to a lot of people regardless of what they test as

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These personality tests are no better than the ones your uncle posts on facebook and you all look like huge faggots

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>>15800170
Eh I don't think it's entirely invalid. People who pick similar options on an extended personality quiz have comparable personalities, go figure. Put a bunch of those in various categories and you've got MBTI. To be fair, I think that's all there is to it, if you dig deeper into MBTI you'll find stuff about the mental functions of each type which is all a load of unsubstantiated crap imo.

>> No.15801100

>>15791655
My zodiac and mbti match pretty good. Astrology is spooky accurate at times.

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15801145

>Tfw perfect balance of INTJ, INFJ, INFP, INTP

>> No.15801219

>>15800359
Look into Enneagram. Way more accurate and sound than MBTI. Essentially all 9 Enneagram types have healthy and unhealthy levels and the latter corresponds with common mental disorders. E5 being schizoid (usually most INTPs would be E5/E4 or E6).

>> No.15801734

>>15789077
Based anon, checked

>> No.15801811

>>15789065
For creatives - look into colors if you truly are INFJ you should have blocks in this order: blue, red, green, yellow.
Blue and red are tied (strongest attributes)

>> No.15801863

>>15795989
Definitely not lmao it's fucking rare. The claims of personality test makers are kind of bs though because you are extremely malleable.

>> No.15801900

>>15801100
I'm the anon with the balanced result, in natal chart positions are pretty well distributed.

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>> No.15802419

>>15791987
>only ESTP missing
>tfw will never know what I am

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>>15797678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_1nA7VDKc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkUQCLndZKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRoJELdvK5M

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>>15789035
Took it a few years ago and got ISTJ. Was curious if i changed at all so i took it again. Guess im now part of the INTJ master race

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>>15789035
I am an INTP-T

>> No.15802985

>>15802960
>100% introverted

jesus christ even im like 85%

>> No.15802997

>>15802985
I answered as truthful as possible, I took 20 minutes thinking about the questions.

>> No.15803018

>>15802997
Other INTP-T include
>Albert Einstein
>Issac Newton
>Bill Gates

>> No.15803076

>They may appear to drift about in an unending daydream, but Logicians’ thought process is unceasing, and their minds buzz with ideas from the moment they wake up. This constant thinking can have the effect of making them look pensive and detached, as they are often conducting full-fledged debates in their own heads, but really Logicians are quite relaxed and friendly when they are with people they know, or who share their interests.
The one thing that really holds Logicians back is their restless and pervasive fear of failure. Logician personalities are so prone to reassessing their own thoughts and theories, worrying that they’ve missed some critical piece of the puzzle, that they can stagnate, lost in an intangible world where their thoughts are never truly applied. Overcoming this self-doubt stands as the greatest challenge Logicians are likely to face

This describes me perfectly.