/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.15512439]

>I'm a Capitalist

I'm a Lord. Ah, well, I don't have any lands or titles but I'm a strong believer in Feudalism!

[Anonymous No.15512458]

torture communists

[Anonymous No.15512482]

>>15512439
Fuck right off Pinko. Understand that my million dollar house is completely paid off, and everyday a steady stream of black and brown Door dash driver's is constantly bringing me the finest Silicon Valley cuisine. I haven't had a wageslave job since Obama was president. I built a $5 million dollar house and I am waiting for the right time to sell it, its completely empty and I don't give a fuck. When I see a panhandler I roll up my windows.

Yeah I may not be a Lord. But I am only 25 and have more money CASH than you entire male line has had accumulated. Go suck nigger dick.

[Anonymous No.15512496]

>>15512482
>It's easy, just be born rich

[Anonymous No.15512509]

>>15512439
I agree that private land ownership is a holdover from feudalism. But taxes on production are morally indefensible and thievery. Is there any political ideology out there that will free labor and capital from coercive forces but allow the economic rent from land to be socialized?

[Anonymous No.15512531]

>>15512496
You stupid nigger one grandpa was a welder and one grandpa was in the military. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.15512532]

>>15512439
>I'm a Lord. Ah, well, I don't have any lands or titles but I'm a strong believer in Feudalism!
Unironically me. At least peasants didn't have to see their kids turned into zombie consumer faggots. I am a peasant and I support feudalism. People aren't equal and never will be, fuck off pinkos.

[Anonymous No.15512533]

>>15512482
>getting this mad over internet comments

Ask me how I know you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.15512564]

>>15512439
>temporarily embarassed millionaire
lmao what the fuck? That's called "Young". You hit 1m by 50 just by working a wage with a 401K and owning your house. By 65 you have 3-4m.

>HURRR YOU 15 YEAR OLDS THINK YOU'RE TEMPORARILY EMBARASSED FATHERS, YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS AT 15 SO YOU NEVER WILL, RISE UP, KILL YOUR LEADERS FOR ME!
The audacious retardation of it.

[Anonymous No.15512577]

I'm 36. I'm a little over halfway to being a millionaire.

It literally affords me what 30 years ago would have been considered an upper middle class existence.

[Anonymous No.15512592]

I actually liked his book "In dubious battle". It's a perfect illustration of socialist ineptitude. Capitalism closely follows the laws of supply and demand while socialism tries to spoof supply that does not exist. So in the end the capitalists beat the strike because the supply of workers was much higher than the number of jobs available.
Naturally the strikers had defectors because either they kept their job or lost it to scabs. Union negotiation is fine, but in a depression workers have no bargaining chips.

[Anonymous No.15512632]

>>15512532
So you're saying you're poor because you are stupid or inferior? Why would I care about your opinion, then?

I say this for the sake of argument, not because I actually believe it, or to insult you. Your self-awareness makes me automatically respect you more than most of the mouth-breathing cattle and shills on this board.

My point is, we already have way more people than we need. Soon, with automation, there aren't going to be enough jobs to go around even if you are a smart, hard worker. We need to get away from this Puritanical "Who will not work, neither shall he eat" scarcity model and realize that 2% of us grow the food for all of us.

We need to stop with this obsolete, artificial model that you have to prove yourself exceptional before you deserve the absolute essentials for staying alive. We don't live in the fucking jungle anymore. It's time to start acting civilized.

[Anonymous No.15512641]

>>15512533
How do you know I am full of shit?

[Anonymous No.15512650]

>>15512564
>he really thinks the boomer's success will be replicated and that QE wasn't one last pump and dump to ruin millenials forever

i feel bad for u anon

[Anonymous No.15512655]

>>15512632
there's no shortage of potatoes, and that's reflected in the $1 for 5 lbs price.
However meat is scarce, because even packing 10 billion cows into one kennel, there's a lot of prep work involved.
The issue is not scarcity of "living wage" goods, but scarcity of highly desirable goods.
Poor democrats are always demanding ot be given high quality scarce goods for free, and conflate the two ideas.

same with housing. plumbing, electricity, internet, none of that is cheap. it is scarce. or can you build your own house in a day?

[Anonymous No.15512682]

>>15512564
>Everyone can afford a 401k and home ownership
Maybe in 1950. Wageslaves are people too.

>>15512592
You think keeping a reserve labor force isn't an intentional masterstroke by the capitalists? See "static unemployment."

[Anonymous No.15512681]

I'm so glad I wasn't born poor. It really is more than a situation, it's a mindset; it's genetic. You, OP, are fucking pathetic and will die pathetic.

[Anonymous No.15512689]

>>15512632
>We need to stop with this obsolete, artificial model that you have to prove yourself exceptional before you deserve the absolute essentials
No, I would rather watch losers like you starve to death.

[Anonymous No.15512692]

>>15512531
>It's easy, be born rich

[Anonymous No.15512706]

>>15512650
No anon, I feel bad for you, living in some economically depressed shithole. Here in Silicon Valley all my friends are making way more then their fathers did at this age, and they will inherit their families assets as well. You understand that starting salary is over $100,000 on average here? So you live at home with your parents, after a few years you have enough for down payment on a house.

You really think every millenial is poor? Maybe in your neighborhood. I have a friend who started a wildly successful truffle oil company, what do your friends do, trim trees?

[Anonymous No.15512708]

>>15512655
and on that note, you can save 70% on your meat bill if you buy a butcher knife and cut your own meat. You can save 30% on your home if you do the general contracting yourself. Everything else is pretty efficient, because learning concrete, plumbing, electricity is better left to professionals. screwing that up is more expensive than paying them off.
Gaining more value is a matter of cutting inefficiencies, or working harder. Most are already working 8 hours though, so efficiency is your next best bet.

[Anonymous No.15512712]

>>15512692
Mope, cope, never have hope.
Bitch and bitch on the internet.
I am still rich.
And you are still poor.

[Anonymous No.15512733]

>>15512439
So get some fucking land for yourself.

[Anonymous No.15512748]

>>15512496
80% of millionaires are self made.

[Anonymous No.15512757]

>>15512655
Housing, plumbing, electricity, Internet (in this day and age) and I would add healthcare, are things we all need, though. How are people going to get them when there are no jobs available to work?

Structural unemployment is a significant reality now, and it's going to drastically increase with increasing automation.

The problem with most business majors' and economists' paradigm is assuming that GDP is not only the best indicator of a nation's economic health (it's not great at that) but of human happiness as well (it's pretty terrible at that, especially as wealth continues to be concentrated in the hands of an extreme minority).

[Anonymous No.15512758]

>>15512439
Capitalism gives everyone a fair opportunity to make wealth. Hyper capitalism / crony capitalism is something else.

[Anonymous No.15512770]

>>15512532
So move to nowhere, someplace where there are no stores. But I guess you would rather whine and bitch.

[Anonymous No.15512923]

>>15512757
In abscence of any magical technological efficiency improvement. Wages decrease until the revolutionary unemployment levels go away. Then you can hire two people for the price of one, even if they both suffer a bit. You do this by decreasing benefits, since cutting salary is a no-no.

Automation is a meme. The bigger isssue is 30 million jobs given to mexicans. Mexico is socialist and destroys jobs, so it puts more pressure on america to create jobs. It can only achieve this by reducing wages. You can only do this so much before the native middle class revolts.

nature largely does not care about our infinite desires. if there are 100 patients and 1 doctor, but only 50 of the patients pay, they have to pay double to keep the hospital from going bankrupt. Otherwise the doctor will leave if he's not given a wage. There's many problems with the system but the issue you can't discuss is illegals getting care and not paying for it, increasing the burden on others. It's a bigger cost than anyone wants to admit.

the population is still growing at 2 million people (plus 1 million illegals) a year, that's still that many more cows, steel, concrete more per year to sustain the population. China gets away with 1 billion because they consume 1/10th as much as we do. tin huts and rice every meal, crowded bus rides to work for $2 a day. Comparatively you are still the rich

[Anonymous No.15513110]

>>15512712
>It's easy, be born rich

[Anonymous No.15513242]

>>15512439
Take a look into Howdoo, you wont regret
I promise, strong team, good tech and fun concept

[Anonymous No.15513259]

>>15512439
>>15512458
>>15512482
>>15512564
>>15512689
I'm amazed how many capitalist faggots come to /biz/ from /pol/

capitalism = communism

[Anonymous No.15513263]

>>15512733
What if the child consents?

[Anonymous No.15513325]

>>15513259
>born to wealthy parents, basically an unemployed painter, espousing naive ideals
how unsurprising. a sophist following marx's lazy footsteps.

[Anonymous No.15513386]

>>15513259
I’m more surprised at how many anti-capitalists there are on /biz/.

[Anonymous No.15513471]

>>15513325
You obviously have no fucking idea who Evola is or even understand what I've posted. kill yourself kike.

[Anonymous No.15513488]

>ITT: people too triggered to even notice the point that OP is actually making

Based.

[Anonymous No.15513507]

>>15513471
railing against jews is no improvement if you say jewish communism as good as capitalism. ironically it's always the privileged elite that come up with these dumb ideas to make the poor rich.
> It was Evola's custom to walk around the city of Vienna during bombing raids in order to better "ponder his destiny". During one such raid, 1945, a shell fragment damaged his spinal cord and he became paralyzed from the waist down, remaining so for the rest of his life.
you can't make this shit up. mentally deranged commie (larping as a facist) without any basic survival instincts

[Anonymous No.15513528]

>>15513507
HHAHA! Capitalism is jewish trash just as much as communism is you fuckstick.
>commie (larping as a facist)
HHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Keep digging you might get red pilled.

[Anonymous No.15513531]

>>15512439
Yea man, being a capitalist just means being a rich corporativist, probably has nothing to do with free enterprise between consenting adults..

Animals acquire resources and in the civilized world, these resources are money.


But Socialism surely fights for the poor, that's why it was invented by a bunch of rich boys trying to rebel against their daddies, namely Marx, Focault and Stalin, all of which helped the poor by putting them out of their misery by starving them all to death.

>>15513259
>baby's first experience with economics

>>15513263
daily reminder that NO ONE can debunk anarcho-capitalists or libertarians because their economic theory is 1000% proved and sound unlike every other proto-socialist retard that claims to understand basic calculus

[Anonymous No.15513564]

>>15512577
And in another 30 years it’ll be lower class with the way inflation is run in this fucking country.

[Anonymous No.15513585]

>>15512689
It prefer to kill and eat the rich but at this point, I’ll take any death I can get... I’m just waiting for society to collapse so I can sit in the street drink an coffee and watch the suffering before it’s my turn.

[Anonymous No.15513595]

>>15513531
>anarcho-capitalists or libertarians because their economic theory is 1000% proved
now you are just obviously baiting dood

[Anonymous No.15513598]

So called conservatives don't want to conserve the economic structure of the 1970s when pay and opportunities were good, they don't want to preserve the environmental conditions that allowed for productivity, and they don't want to preserve the planet itself that allows us to live on it.
Modern conservatives are actually progressives who want to progress us, full speed, into a neofeudal dead-earth dystopia. All on the back of the complete delusion than in neofeudalism they'll somehow be part of the aristocracy.

[Anonymous No.15513606]

>>15513386
Real capitalism has been in practice in this country in the last 50 years....what is in play is “crony capitalism” and it is very good at fooling everyone.

[Anonymous No.15513629]

>>15513595
>le major corporations will just control everything

Mega Corps exist because the government allows them to impose market regulations and higher taxes to keep everyone else at the bottom while they sit at the top of the heap. In a true ancap society there will be a revolving door of big businesses and those that manage to stay at the top at least deserve it and are not doing it through artificial means.

[Anonymous No.15513648]

>>15513488
Oh, I get it. It’s just not that awe-inspiring.

[Anonymous No.15513658]

>>15513629
>Mega Corps exist because the government allows them
HAHAHAHAHAH
>In a true ancap society
BAHAHAHAHA get fucking real you are a literal child

[Anonymous No.15513686]

>>15512439
Imagine how much of a weak bitch made pussy ass faggot you have to be to go through life regarding yourself as a perpetual victim just because other people have more shit than you. Socialists are such cattle.

[Anonymous No.15513688]

>>15513658
>le corporations are evil!
>lol, you think the corporations would ever do bad things using the government to keep everyone else at the gutter, haha what a retard

choose one fag

>lel there can be no ancap society
>what is medieval iceland
>what is medieval ireland

[Anonymous No.15513700]

>>15513686
they are economic incels. Because they are incapable of acquiring their resources in an environment of free competition, they need to vilify those who are able to do so and vilify the entire system. While the incel vilifies the Chad, the pink vilifies the rich and the upper classes. While the incel vilifies the dating game, the pinko vilifies capitalism. While one asks for state mandated gf, the other asks for "redistribution" (was never distributed to begin with)

[Anonymous No.15513723]

I look forward to a future like that dreamt of in the Star Trek franchise. No need for money because replicators, etc. But we’ll probably be long extinct before a future like that could ever come to fruition.

[Anonymous No.15513728]

>>15512632
>We need to get away from this Puritanical "Who will not work, neither shall he eat" scarcity model and realize that 2% of us grow the food for all of us.
Never looked at it this way.

[Anonymous No.15513730]

>>15513629
>In a true ancap society
Holy shit how 13 years old are you cunts. This is it. This is anarchy. You're living it right now. This is what happens. This is a true ancap society. We are in anarchy, always, which is a law of the universe, and we are utilising a captialist economy.

How is this not an anarchist society? Because the little guys dont all band together to take out the big guys and force everyone to be the same size guys? That is hilariously naive. In an anarchist society, there is nothing to stop one party from amassing fortune, military wealth, and power, except for the other parties. But if those parties don't step up and take responsibility for that, then one party will run away with the game by amassing resources. That's what governments are. Everything is anarchy all the time. You're living it. This is what happens in an anarchist society. Governments are governments because they amassed power and were able to force their will on people. Your fake and gay idea about how the many will band together to level out inequality if one person or persons acquire too much power didn't happen, and this is where we ended up. It's still anarchy. There's nothing to stop people from banding together and rebelling and overthrowing a government or a problematic financial system, etc. We can do that any time. But nobody wants to so nobody does. That doesn't mean we aren't living in anarchist society, it just means the anarchist society is not the utopia you wished it was, because humans are very complicated.

"Anarchy" is either not real at all, or it's always real and always in effect. Another word for that is "life" or "existence". We have lain captialism over the top of that, and so this is a true ancap society.

And it's shit btw.

[Anonymous No.15513733]

>>15512758
>crony capitalism is something else.
No such thing. It's all just capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15513735]

>>15513730
Tell us more, Mr Durden.

[Anonymous No.15513749]

>>15512923
>In abscence of any magical technological efficiency improvement.
>>15512923
>Automation is a meme.

How the fuck can you browse this board and say this when 95% of us are going to be millionaires and billionaires off of automation from smartcontracts?

[Anonymous No.15513754]

>>15513733
Government collusion with select corporations/industries to dominate markets is not capitalism, go back to lefty/pol/

[Anonymous No.15513784]

>>15513730
Very anarchic indeed when an entirely self-appointed arbitrary authority decides to control your entire life and you have more than enough capacity to fight back because there are enough guns in the USA to arm the entire country but nobody does so because they have been successfully indoctrinated to love the system that has been controlling every aspect of their lives forever now. It's not supposed to be a world of similar results retard, but a world of similar freedom. In medieval ireland or medieval iceland no one just went and took someone else's shit or tried to control their lives because victims were able to sell their case and "right to justice" to private courtrooms and get justice. The government never acquired anything voluntarily other than more chinless parasites to sit at chairs and manipulate the world. It has no concept of free association, it is NATURALLY coercive, and IN NO WAY can be compared to a guild or company or clan that has formed naturally.

But yes, this IS an anarchy, we just don't have the balls to make that known.

[Anonymous No.15513839]

>>15512706
I'm sure that truffle oil will be just thriving when the bubble that pops up bullshit coworking companies and uber goes bellyup. You may be very bright anon. But you're missing the big picture that pretty much everyone else on this board sees: the prosperity is a lie and the FED has no solution for nomalizing interest rates. The illusion that you see around is is all built upon a great lie that is infinite debt. Enjoy the bread and circuses while they last, but don't think for a second that infinite debt based economic growth will continue forever.

[Anonymous No.15513866]

>>15513735
I honestly used to be one of these kids and that's why it rustles my jimmies so much now, because I wasted so much time on it. I would spout off about it all the time, I read all the literature I thought supported my case, I was convinced that ancap society would be just and fair and create opportunity. Anarchy creates a utopia because it forces people to rely on their communities and do so without an authoritative external force standing on our necks, etc. Honestly I get it, it's a nice idea.

But when you realise that power ALWAYS consolidates, you realise oh shit, if the world is in anarchy and then a private army gets slightly ahead of the other private armies, then they just snowball into complete power. Like what do people think kings are? What are governments? You cannot remove authority from society, you can't even force it to not exist, in any anarchist country/situation in history people banded together and formed different parties, and had conflict, and then one party came out on top eventually, and forced everyone else to live by their ideals. It is simply inevitable. The "law of the jungle" is the truest anarchy there is, and still the king of the jungle is the Lion. And Lions don't even live in the fucking jungle lmao.

[Anonymous No.15513939]

>>15513866
this is why i asked >>15512509

[Anonymous No.15513971]

>>15512748
Owning a house makes you a millionaire nowadays.

[Anonymous No.15514007]

>>15512439
>literally am a millionaire and landlord
Kiss my grits, commie

[Anonymous No.15514473]

Fuck off, commie. Were here to get better at capitalism, not whine about it

[Anonymous No.15514488]

>commie complains about lords while fantasizing about being the Commissar of land management in the new socialist america

[Anonymous No.15514513]

>>15513754
Been happening since the dawn of the narion state. Corporations and central banks have existed formover 300 years

[Anonymous No.15514531]

>1 post by this ID
>all the seething posts in reply

[Anonymous No.15514600]

>>15514488
Lel.

[Anonymous No.15514609]

>>15512439
>GOMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN DRIED

[Anonymous No.15514733]

>>15512564
Think about how much a million was worth then.

[Anonymous No.15514836]

>>15513754
It's the nature of Capitalism to create a State subservient to it.

[Anonymous No.15514989]

>>15513866
>and then one party came out on top eventually, and forced everyone else to live by their ideals.
and that is exactly where everything falls apart, because a clan/guild/tribe/corporation can come together voluntarily and become a huge organization that owns a huge portion of the assets and resources of a given place, but what keeps them in check is the presence of several other smaller or equally sized groups unwilling to let them have anything that they don't acquire from a voluntary interaction

[Anonymous No.15515119]

>>15513866
Anarcho-communism.

[Anonymous No.15515524]

>>15512564
American dream is dead, stay comping boomer

[Anonymous No.15515595]

>>15513606
Real capitalism is crony capitalism. In capitalism, the best strategy is to become so big that you buy up all the competition so you no longer have to compete. This is bad. Some type of force needs to be at play to bust these up so we get true market prices. What is your solution?

[Anonymous No.15515680]

>>15513595
>his entire argument is calling communism capitalism
the federal reserve makes people poor so they can work more you fucking moron it is not capitalism it is communism.
We live under keynesian monetary policy dictated to us without political representation. That is Hitlers wet dream you hypocrite shill

[Anonymous No.15515774]

>>15512533
You might be the smartest anon I've seen on /biz in a long time, fren.

[Anonymous No.15516059]

>>15515595
There is no solution in Capitalism.
Abolish exchange value, money, delegation of power, the State, private property of the means of production.
Produce with computing algorithms (it should be possible since a few decades), and dispatch the production according to the needs of everybody.

[Anonymous No.15516070]

ITT a bunch of plebs in a vehement hairpulling free for all regarding the two sides of the same coin. Way to feed into the divide and conquer agenda, faggots

How the fuck do you retards manage to even breathe, after being here and not realizing that decentralization is the only true road to freedom

[Anonymous No.15516096]

>itt a bunch of capitalist cucks who've never even read das kapital
the way you cling to your broken ideology is worse than christians who've never read the bible, but still try to convince everyone else they'll go to heaven, just for believing.

[Anonymous No.15516098]

>>15516070
go to bed sergey