Fuck work

[Anonymous No.15211929]

Sick and tired of businesses obsessed with maximizing profits. I want food and shelter. I couldn't give 2 shits about "careers" (i.e. have a job define who I am) and making some business owner rich off of my labor. As long as there's a net gain, shut the fuck up.

The BULLSHIT we have to go through just for food and shelter. Wtf man. Only a conformist bootlicker bitch that loves sucking employer cum could think this system is healthy.

Not everyone likes the taste of cum, faggots.

[Anonymous No.15211948]

No one likes work, but it's the trade you have to make for food and shelter. Nothing in life is free.

[Anonymous No.15211972]

>>15211948
You're missing my point. What I hate are the hours.

What idiot made 40hrs a week "the norm"? I'm pretty sure it can be greatly reduced with the aid of automation.

The other issue is affordable housing isn't a thing. Real estate is for-profit which is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15212077]

>>15211948
>it's the trade you have to make for food and shelter.
slaving away the prime years of your life for food and shelter is not a reasonable trade-off whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.15212215]

>>15212077
Learn to exploit the system then

[Anonymous No.15212238]

>>15211929

read value price and profit by marx to understand everything you need to know about capitalism

read settlers by sakai to understand everything you need to know about america

read on contradiction & practice by mao to learn how to change the shit parts of society

now quit your bitching

[Anonymous No.15212255]

Same, dude. Same.
>have a job define who I am

[Anonymous No.15212257]

>>15212238
actually believing the system that currently exists is anything close to a free market

[Anonymous No.15212262]

>>15212238
Give a summary of each.
I also doubt a random joe like myself can do anything to change this cancer.

[Anonymous No.15212313]

>>15212262

marx explains how in capitalism, workers don't get paid for the work they do. they get paid for their ability to work, their capacity to work. in other words, they get paid what it costs to keep themselves alive in order to go to work. if you subtract what is produced by the worker from what is costs to keep him alive, you'll find that there is some extra value, called surplus value. that is the source of profit in capitalism. marx also called that exploitation, because the capitalist (who really doesn't do anything), accrues capital only because he has capital to begin with, and the worker has nothing to sell except his labor power. and that original capital comes either through inheritance or through primitve extraction, like violent slavery or colonization.

sakai explains that america is designed from the ground up as a white supremacist state and that the so-called white working/middle class constitutes a petit-bourgeois category doomed to alienation as they desperately try to maintain their status against the black and indiginous nations, who constitute internal colonies.

mao is really simple and short just read it.

[Anonymous No.15212335]

>>15212257

>this is what people who read friedman and mises actually think

[Anonymous No.15212358]

>>15212313
>workers don't get paid for the work they do. they get paid for their ability to work
I don't think that's really true, though.
If you're some brain-dead manufacturing employee and you try to get a job as a software dev, no one is going to hire you just because you have the ability to work.
Because the work you do is not programming or software development.

[Anonymous No.15212384]

>>15212077
at least you can work, my criminal record bars me from a good 95% of jobs and my slowly decaying mental health fucks me out of the rest

>mfw too tormented by fake glowniggers to get myself to a doctor

[Anonymous No.15212388]

>>15211972

People have always required to do some amount of work for a residence.

I agree real estate is overvalued and homes shouldn't be financialized, but what we want and what is reality are two different things.

Adapt to the system and gain from it. Know that by wagecucking aimlessly, you're unlikely to make it. Invest every spare dollar that you have so you can escape from this existence.

A decade of living frugally and wagecucking hardcore in your 20s is worth it if you can set yourself up for the rest of your life thereafter.

[Anonymous No.15212415]

>>15212358

no i mean capitalists literally pay workers enough to survive, maybe a little bit more if you're in the first world to placate them enough so they don't rebel.

capitalism represents an improvement over the slave economy because the proletariat as a class can be rented out. owning a person as a chattel slave is a sunk investment if they die, plus you have to pay for them 24/7. capitalists only need to be responsible for a wagecuck's wellbeing for the hours they work, and if they die there is a bunch of unemployed people ready to take their place.

[Anonymous No.15212420]

>>15211929
I agree with you completely op. I have been a neet/underemployed most of my life. My sis is making 100k and I'm living home in my parents basement kek. I just cant stand working, it feels like such shit.

[Anonymous No.15212422]

>>15211972
Jews did this

[Anonymous No.15212436]

>>15212415
Oh never mind, I get what you mean now.
Yeah I get that, but what do you think about someone like me who runs their own game studio? I outsource different things by hiring freelancers according to their price, and we both try to negotiate.

Is this so different from traditional employment, where the worker has the ability to negotiate salary?

[Anonymous No.15212438]

Why the fuck is that pasty white trot charnelhouse blogger still the number one search result for settlers

[Anonymous No.15212443]

>>15212436
To clarify, by "game studio" I mean it's just me and an LLC I dev under so I don't get sued lol

[Anonymous No.15212498]

>>15212436
>>15212443

well the marxist question is "what is their relationship to the means of production"

as someone with hiring and firing powers, you might be a very small capitalist, a petit-bourgeois. but since video games aren't socially productive labor, and largely based on consumerism, you might be a lumpenproletarian (one who grifts off of other classes' value without really contributing anything).

instinctively i would say you are petit-bourg. but it's not always obvious, it takes investigation. however this is secondary. the main contradiction in our society is between the capitalist class and the working class.

[Anonymous No.15212514]

>>15212498
Oh that's cool. So I'm like lower upper class. Now I feel better about dropping out of school

[Anonymous No.15212524]

>>15212384
Anon get the future authoring program by Jordan Peterson.

Take responsibility and get help.

We need you to succeed fren.

[Anonymous No.15212531]

>>15212514

the fate of the petit-bourgeois class is to be driven out of business and then proletarianized by the expansion of big capital, so your class has no long term future.

[Anonymous No.15212555]

>>15212531
That sucks. I just want to make games.

[Anonymous No.15212562]

>>15212415

Slavery and serfdom is more of an honest system. At least you know where you exist in the totem pole, and you know you're unlikely to ever move beyond that.

Neo-liberalism on the other hand propagadizes that ANYONE can /makeit/ if they work hard enough and accumulate enough good goy points in their workplace. We are being sold a lie, because this system is just as controlled as the slave/serf system. Just look at wealth accumulation.

As someone from the lower class or middle class, moving to the upper class is next to impossible unless you're the inventor, director or owner of something that the upper class suddenly wants in massive quantities.


It's a very controlled system that pretends that it's not. Very dishonest.

[Anonymous No.15212566]

>>15212555

i mean it might not happen to you and it might not happen in your lifetime, but that's just the general trend as capitalism polarizes

[Anonymous No.15212586]

>>15212562

definitely right, although i think more and more people are waking up to the neoliberal bullshit even in the first world. think of the libs and magacucks seething over the bernie campaign, for example.

[Anonymous No.15212600]

>>15212438

trots are so boring. imagine being a trot in current year. then again i'm a taknie in current year and that's pretty pathetic too

[Anonymous No.15212648]

Marx did have valid critiques of the system in which he operated, but the solutions were retarded as fuck

The solution is not to abolish capital, but instead to harness it for the greater good under a nation state. Similar to how Norway or Sweden operated, prior to the multiculti shit.

A nation can have an equitable society that is prosperous, but it requires a big trade surplus to do so. Some countries like Norway have natural resources that are exploited efficiently, and the proceeds from those sales go into a Sovereign Wealth Fund that allows them to invest overseas.

China for example utilizes it's mass population as a resource to produce manufactured goods far below the price point of Western firms, at a similar level of quality.


State capitalism ftw.

[Anonymous No.15212653]

>>15212384
Where do you live? There are specific companies and organizations that employ people with records, especially in large cities like LA.
There are companies owned and operated by them also.
Try reselling too

[Anonymous No.15212721]

>>15211929
>The BULLSHIT we have to go through just for food and shelter.
>YeAH dude totally it would be so much better if we could like go back to our roots you know, like back to nature bro, instead of waging in an office we could like, have to stalk and kill animals for food so we didnt starve and freeze to death bro, like it would be so much easier and healthier than modern life, just chasing after wild game and fighting other tribes for basic resources you know? Not have our success as hunters define who we are, but I know I would totally be like the top warrior of our tribe, cause im not a comformist bitch and I would be so badass and hunt so many animals bro, I totally would not have to suck dick for substinance, modern world sucks and is for pussies and I am like not a pussy at all bro

[Anonymous No.15212740]

>>15212422
jews actually made it 60 hours and Hitler lowered it to 40

[Anonymous No.15212759]

If I don't make enough to NEET for a few years by the end of next year I'll kill myself

[Anonymous No.15212775]

>>15212721

Having masculine pursuits such as hunting determining our level in society would unironically be a good thing.

Our bodies weren't made to wagecuck. We're supposed to be lifting, running, swimming, etc etc. Eating fresh fruits and meats.

Sitting in an office all day coding is very unhealthy. Sitting around all day playing office politics with women is unhealthy.

If you're stuck in the above situation, you must do everything possible to get out of it so you can actually start living a normal life.

[Anonymous No.15212795]

>>15212759

NEETdom is just self imposed exile. If you don't have the required money to do healthy things in the long term, don't bother.

>t. reacquired NEET status 5 months ago and have bet my life savings on markets shitting the bed to /makeit/

[Anonymous No.15212822]

>>15212775
you reddit spacing faggot have not once shot a gun or killed and animal then cleaned processed and eaten it get the fuck out with your pseudo deep bullshit I sit in an office with people who fill their freezers (plural) with meat ranging from gator to venison every year and we dont complain half as much as you do you giant pussy faggot.

[Anonymous No.15212833]

>>15211972

The original masters of mankind (jews) decided on some basic ideas that could keep people working for the entire lives and not revolt.

5 days a week, roughly 40 hours is what they came up with.

The biggest trick they pulled, and it's a masterpiece, is convincing the common man that their life is good and they should be thankful.

[Anonymous No.15212849]

>>15211972
>What idiot made 40hrs a week "the norm"?
Trade unionists over the course of 150 years of struggle. In the early 19th century a 14 hour day wasn't uncommon for factory workers. Things could be much worse, but there is still potential for improvement if people join together to press for better conditions.

>automation
Doesn't do a whole lot if technical improvements in production are outpaced by an expansion of consumer demand for goods and services.

[Anonymous No.15212850]

>>15211972
literally was jews, Nazis knew and got fucked for it

[Anonymous No.15212868]

>>15211972
>I'm pretty sure it can be greatly reduced with the aid of automation.

You've never worked a day in your life.

[Anonymous No.15212872]

>>15212721
Well, yeah actually

[Anonymous No.15212873]

>>15212822

Maybe I do reddit space.

But at least I use full stops and attack someone's argument.

[Anonymous No.15212893]

>>15212822
he literally is not wrong you stupid nigger faggot. any type of formatting =/= reddit spacing, now go hang yourself good goy wagie cuck

[Anonymous No.15212904]

>>15212873
shut the fuck up. What part about these 4 words you dont get? You have never hunted. You have never skinned an animal. You whine like a instagram thot about inane bullshit but worse you do so while talking about "masculine pursuits " and "lifting" bitch you couldnt even lift a 300 lb buck from the killzone to the camp to clean it.

[Anonymous No.15212916]

>>15212833
Do you even have proof it's "jews". I'm pretty sure it's capitalists and the capitalist system in general that caused this, not just them.

[Anonymous No.15212945]

>>15212916
capitalists and jews are the same thing

[Anonymous No.15212951]

>>15212868
Except I am employed so...???
You do realize the whole point of automation is to increase productivity and higher less workers to save money, right? It's a no brainer.

[Anonymous No.15212966]

>>15212951
*hire

[Anonymous No.15212980]

>>15212916
>capitalists
>jews
holy shit you guys are dumber than I am this stament is like the most entry level and most retarded copout. Marxism is literally Sabbatean Frankism how the fuck do you guys make money being this stupid?

[Anonymous No.15212985]

>>15212795
I don't care. I can't do this shit anymore

[Anonymous No.15212991]

>>15212916

Always follow the money.

Who controls probably 70% of global finance? Jews.

[Anonymous No.15213006]

>>15212991
>da juuu

90% of those who control global finance are adult males. Therefore you are the (((juuuuu)))

[Anonymous No.15213152]

>>15212562
Golden statements.

Also don't fall for the startup meme. Unless you are well-connected (your dad can introduce you to VCs for seed/series-X funding) and privileged, its not worth it. Failure is looked upon differently based on your socio-economic status. So if you are privileged, those failures can make headlines, and if you are not, recruiters (the fact that you need recruiters should imply that you are not privileged/well-connected) will ignore you.

The utmost dishonesty is: anyone can /make it/, as long as they work hard and start-Up.

It's a lie. In order to be successful in startup games, you ideally should have enough financial cushion to run your family without salary for 3 years. That's privilege. Not to mention, 300K play-money a rich dad or family member or angel can provide.

[Anonymous No.15213156]

>>15212238
What a disaster of a post. It's mindblowing that after a hundred years with countless failures and no successes some people are still shilling communism.

[Anonymous No.15213205]

>>15212833
You could be working less if you just made that decision. There are part-time jobs you know?

But instead you blame others and do not take personal responsibility for your own life. Never going to make it.

[Anonymous No.15213257]

>>15212653
I'm stuck wandering till I find some place to live, I have "violent" charges on my record which was rly just defending myself from a security guard who didn't identify himself and every apartment turns me down. I'll look into those things, for now I think I'm going to work toward getting the OSCP for a remote pentester job I think

[Anonymous No.15213280]

>>15213006
At least that would only be nearly a 2x overrepresentation. Jews are a lot more suspect that a mere 2x lol.

[Anonymous No.15213286]

>>15212524
I really don't care for that guy, i can't take advice from someone I wouldn't want to be like. I'm going to pull through, thanks. It was worse when btc was dipping into the 3's

[Anonymous No.15213296]

>>15211972
I work an entry level job in the Valley that's salaried and I basically only come into the office when I want, work from home constantly (record is 18 callender days in a row), and depending on how busy we are I work as little as 35 hrs a week, counting hour lunches so more like 30.

How did I get this?
I'm not STEM. I dont code, I dont do more than basic math. Business is the way to go if you have social skills and shrewdness.

[Anonymous No.15213297]

>>15213280
Sounds like (((lies))).

You as a male are not responsible for what other males do.

[Anonymous No.15213301]

>>15213296
I also can't spell calendar, lol

[Anonymous No.15213305]

I can't imagine anything more cucked than having to work

[Anonymous No.15213351]

>>15213297
Males aren't a ascribed to ideological group.

[Anonymous No.15213421]

>>15213351
Neither are jews. There are communist jews, capitalist jews, retarded and smart. Religious and atheist.

[Anonymous No.15213445]

>>15211929
move to portland then, and enjoy getting pegged by transexuals and hanging out in front of starbucks as a spineless liberal - at least you aren't a bootlicker. You're still going to be a massive faggot.

[Anonymous No.15213474]

>>15213421
> he thinks jewish ideology concerns the Talmud
Nope, there's a common core behind all the subsets you listed.

[Anonymous No.15213483]

>>15213445
I don't think there's cute trannies in Portland, probably the kind with a gunt and body hair and balding head

[Anonymous No.15213495]

>>15212951
If advanced automation technology exists to profitably replace workers in every industry, businesses would be utilizing it already. Why would they be keeping lazy meat sacks on the payroll?

[Anonymous No.15213497]

>>15213474
>da juuu

[Anonymous No.15213512]

>>15213495
Workers can make automation unprofitable by lowering their pay a little. And it will never be profitable to automate everything, robots cost money too. Robots will be needing human input for a long time.

[Anonymous No.15213517]

>>15213497
It's amazing that this is the defence jews have left: fantic and panicked shouts that noticing jews is paranoia. Time really is up for you guys isn't it?

[Anonymous No.15213523]

>>15213512
> he thinks automation means robots
wew

[Anonymous No.15213529]

>>15213517
I see some people truly cannot differentiate between fantasy and reality. Seek help.

[Anonymous No.15213559]

>>15213529
Yawn, David you need to pilpul a bit better.

https://staging.bitchute.com/video/TJh0iCb3IADy/

[Anonymous No.15213573]

>>15213483
> changes location on Tinder

[Anonymous No.15213603]

>>15211929
All that shit in the bottom picture is just a way to dismiss candidates without legal repercussions and then just appoint via nepotism or cheap migrants.

[Anonymous No.15213668]

>>15211972
They're extracting surplus value out of you, son. It's all there in them three tomes.

[Anonymous No.15213686]

>>15213668
Workers too are extracting surplus value from their work. They do not work for the price of their food, but more.

Workers make profit just like business owners.

[Anonymous No.15213697]

i cant tell who's who anymore, can you reply if you're not a poo shitcoin shill

[Anonymous No.15213702]

>>15212358
Software devs are also being paid just enough for their ability to code, not for the value of the code they produce. The value of the code goes to the owner of the company.

[Anonymous No.15213717]

>>15213686
You are such a kike its incredible. Truly

[Anonymous No.15213771]

>>15213702
The software devs can work without the company, if the company doesnt bring anything valuable to the table.

But the reality is, the company actually does bring something valuable to the workers, which is why the workers stay.

Stop bitching and complaining about nothing.

[Anonymous No.15213777]

>>15213697
Hello anon, I don't shill coins. How are you?

[Anonymous No.15213822]

>>15212384
Keep ya head up, knowing how it is in the joint only makes you more grateful to be out

[Anonymous No.15213846]

>>15212238
>fucking mao

guess we don't have to feed those 60 million people if we just exterminate them. A true pragmatist perhaps, but not someone you should be holding up as an example of economics.

[Anonymous No.15213852]

>>15213495
Maybe because it's still advancing? These things don't happen over night. For instance, truck driving is not automated totally right now, but some estimate automation will take ovee truck driving jobs in about 10 years. Some call centers automate or at least partly automate call centers. Some stores are automating cashiers. Etc.

[Anonymous No.15213873]

>>15213771
>how to be a bootlicker 101

[Anonymous No.15213882]

>>15211929
welcome to the matrix

[Anonymous No.15213895]

>>15213873
>I never admit I am wrong, even if it is obvious to everyone

[Anonymous No.15213904]

>>15212648
The thing about Marx is, he realized the importance of the State in general and the states in particular as indispensable, as cornerstones of capitalism. Few theorists have shared this insight since Marx, most think of the state as irrelevant, parallel or opposite to capitalism. Marx had planned a layout for a detailed analysis of the State, but died before he got to begin on that. Grundrisse and some passages here and there, in the Capital and elsewhere, are all we get - from Marx. From there on, you have to rely on people who at least follow his methodology. Lenin, Bakhunin and Grossman are a good start and each one has strong points. I recommend Zombie Capitalism for a rigorous explanation of this system that avoids both the hurt feelings of liberalism and the oversimplification of certain reactionary "theorists".

[Anonymous No.15213923]

>>15213895
How am I wrong, idiot?

Let me school you.

I don't just say "this economy is great!" to cope.

1. Discouraged workers (someone that wants a job, but gave up and hasn't applied in over 4 weeks) are NOT counted as unemployed.

2. People who make HARDSHIP wages ARE counted as employed.

Putting those 2 together = makes the unemployment stat look better/lower than it actually is. It is a lie that fools without critical thinking believe.

44% of 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed (inb4 just do computer science as if everyone is capable of that. Even they have like a 24ish% underemployment rate for 22-27 yr olds: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_compare-majors.html
Think about that. NEARLY 1/4 cs graduates aged 22-27 will be underemployed (don't know how it evens out over time. Still not amazing though. It's around 34% when including all ages and all majors).

78% of full time workers live paycheck to paycheck ( *LITERALLY one paycheck away from homelessness and that is basically poverty* ). *42% of americans will retire broke* (so you give up the best years of your life being someone's bitch just to retire with nothing), 57% of americans can't afford an unexpected 500 dollar bill, 50% of renters are cost burdened (spend over 30% of their income on rent. Half of those spend over 50% of their income on rent), 30% of metropolis city jobs (where most jobs are created) pay hardship wages (not enough to move out with) and 32% pay livable wages (basically poverty) which leaves 38% that are decent (I say decent because you also have to take into consideration the toxicity of work culture. Also, some jobs ONLY pay livable or up BECAUSE of the hours put in. For instance, the average american works 47 hours a week. 49% work 50 hours or more a week. Both of which inflate the wage stats into looking better than it actually is), etc.

Welcome to the "land of opportunity" (load of bullshit).

Continued....

[Anonymous No.15213932]

>>15213852
There won't be any meaningful advances until we make major breakthroughs in AI, which I doubt will happen unless we develop a new form of computer technology that isn't based on electronic chips. Our AI technology is nowhere near the level of human brains.

[Anonymous No.15213938]

>>15213895
You seem to think employer and employee relationships are 50/50. You're an idiot. It's more lile a 10/90. You need them more than they need you and they know it so they take advantage of you.

You are the bitch. They are the master. They might add some things to become more enticing than competitors, but at the end of the day, you are still the bitch getting suckered and having yo put up with bureaucratic horseshit (i.e. showing up when they want. Dressing how they want. Taking breaks when they want. Etc.).

[Anonymous No.15213953]

>>15213923
How about you start by proving my arguments are wrong and blogpost after that?

[Anonymous No.15213960]

>>15213932
Stop talking as if you're a cs expert. These estimates come from the horse's mouth. Keep your delusions to yourself.

https://doft.com/blog/when-will-automation-take-over-trucking-industry-scientists-now-have-estimate

Also, the other stuff I mentioned besides truck driving are already a thing.

[Anonymous No.15213976]

>>15213953
...I did? I showed how even if employers add some "benefits", you're still just their bitch getting suckered. How do you struggle this hard to understand my argument?

[Anonymous No.15213987]

>>15213938
People have no obligation to serve each other. Even you dont believe they do, if you did you would as part of the global top 10% donate 90% of your income to those poorer than you.
You just want some lazy excuse to steal from others.

[Anonymous No.15213996]

>>15213953
The other point I'm making is that employers reap in more of the benefit than actual worlers as well.
Employees are also in constant desperation for momey due to expenses.
The grand majority of americans are living paycheck to paycheck in an oppressive environment.

This is why you're bootlicker logic is utter garbage.

[Anonymous No.15214010]

>>15213996
>Be part of global top 10%
>Complain and bitch

Who's the real greedy one here?

[Anonymous No.15214021]

>>15213987
The parasite here is people like you who think the whole point of humans is to exploit their labor. Like a bunch of cattle.

My mentality is more of a robin hood.

I think it's utterly retarded to force people to work the magical "40hrs" in order to just barely survive when the effort should be to minimize as much pointless work as possible.

Oh but you're a bootlicker. You're either a sociopath employer or a dumbass that likes being someone's bitch without questioning why.

[Anonymous No.15214028]

>>15214021
No one is forced to work 40 hours to some company.

[Anonymous No.15214039]

>>15214021
The point of humans is to strive for happiness, each according to their own vision. Live and let live.

[Anonymous No.15214064]

>>15214010
>top 10%
>be happy you're not as poor as the rest of the world
So settle for a mediocre life and IGNORE all the bad?
Not only that, but what the FUCK is the point in even being in the "top 10% of the world" when your free time is non-existent to begin with?
You can't even see that. Most of your life force is used being someone's bitch so what the fuck good does it do to be in the "top 10% of the world"?? You don't even have time to be human.

Listen well. I only care about food and shelter (with plumbing). Internet and a phone are the only luxuries I desire. That's about it.

This society makes it pretty fucking impossible to obtain these things. You think it's "normal". I think this system is purposely made to be overcomplicated due to greed. The current state of this country is NOTHING to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.15214067]

>>15214021
>Complains people work
>Complains work is being automated

You sound confused.

[Anonymous No.15214082]

>>15214064
Buy a plot of land somewhere remote, a house (or build it) and become a homesteader.

[Anonymous No.15214085]

>>15212255
>tfw was singing this ED a few days ago

[Anonymous No.15214086]

>>15214028
Uhhh.... what the FUCK? You basically are (outisde of a minute amount of opportunities) if you want food and shelter.

>>15214039
Ya, and this country overcomplicates the means to obtain food and shelter (purposely to make people desperate worker bees). Because of that, this country is a failure.

Pretty hard to strive for happiness when the majority of your life is used to work just to sustain your existence (again, this is made much more complicated than it has to be. The biggest example being how TRUE affordable housing isn't even a thing. That's done on purpose).

[Anonymous No.15214093]

>>15214064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rgGEkI510Q

Add some animals, plants and this and that and you are ready!

[Anonymous No.15214098]

>>15214086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gce_zPWb7I

[Anonymous No.15214129]

>>15214067
I think automation is a GOOD thing. The less jobs are needed, the BETTER.
I was responding to THIS>>15213495
And >>15212868

Since that anon didn't understand what they were saying.

I think it can be a good thing with a type of ubi. Automation is literally the only way to create a world with as little work as possible.
Thing is, with our CURRENT structure, automation is looked upon as "bad" and rightly so since with THIS system, instead of being an ally, automation is seen as an enemy. It acts as an obstacle to obtaining money which is needed for food and shelter.

[Anonymous No.15214219]

>>15213960
>Stop talking as if you're a cs expert. These estimates come from the horse's mouth. Keep your delusions to yourself.

You're one who's delusional, bud. The fact is scientists still don't understand how the human mind works.

>https://alleninstitute.org/what-we-do/brain-science/news-press/articles/5-unsolved-mysteries-about-brain
>“We don’t even understand the brain of a worm,” Koch said.

I don't think you actually give a fuck about whether or not the technology becomes real. You just want to peddle communism through fear mongering.

>https://doft.com/blog/when-will-automation-take-over-trucking-industry-scientists-now-have-estimate
>Artificial intelligence experts with the BBC surveyed 352 scientists about automation, including some of the world's leading experts on machine learning. According to the BBC analysis, there is a 50% chance that machines can take over all human jobs in 120 years.

Experts frequently make overly optimistic and wrong predictions. 120 years is a fucking long time. Half a century ago, scientists said we would be colonizing the Moon and Mars but we're nowhere close to doing that.

[Anonymous No.15214236]

>>15214219
Fearmongering is a basic leftist tactic.

[Anonymous No.15214254]

>>15214219
So you're just going to ignore automation is a thing and that it is improving as time goes on.

Sounds more to me like you're a dumbass in denial. Dunning krugger effect in action.

[Anonymous No.15214269]

>>15214236
>mentioning automation is a leftist tactic
Down syndrome. The post

Calling automation a "scare tactic" is hilarious as fuck. Point still stands. Lots of jobs (some of which I've mentioned above) are ALREADY automated or partly automated, moron.

[Anonymous No.15214285]

>>15214269
I never said automation is not happening. I am saying you make a bigger deal out of it than it truly is in order to get support to your retarded ideology which has never worked and will never work.

[Anonymous No.15214296]

>>15214269
Time to take a break and go to sauna. Have fun, boys.

[Anonymous No.15214307]

>>15214254
What the fuck is your problem? Are you retarded? Did your mom drop you on the head when you were a baby?

Being skeptical of AI technology advancing quickly is not the same as denying that automation is happening.

[Anonymous No.15214314]

>>15214269
You've already outed yourself by mentioning UBI, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.15214384]

>>15214285
>>15214296
And like a dumbass, you UNDERESTIMATE automation as being this thing that is eons away. True brainlet.

>>15214314
>dur hur ubi sounds too different so it's bad
Ya, let's just not try to improve this country and have these stats >>15213923 become worse in time. Absolute genius.

[Anonymous No.15214394]

>>15214314
Also, even alaska has ubi, fucking idiot. They've had it for over 30 years. It's not some thing that is "too out there" to be implemented.

[Anonymous No.15214398]

>>15213771
Do not think of this as a still image. Think of it this way:
You're right, devs can very well work on their own. This is what they did when the field was still fresh. Their success made them form companies of their own. Marx describes a process like this as "primitive accumulation of capital". In short, they got the early start and would not let other "free" devs repeat their own steps. Now, all new devs have to work in the environment the previous ones have created. They have to sell their capacity to work for the previous ones, while the previous ones, no longer devs but company owners, now have different positions and interest. Exceptions exist, but end up strengthening the rule.

>>15213686
It's still not surplus value. That's because a worker's capacity to work costs more than his daily food. You need a home, water, some time off, some pleasure in order to be productive. (This, by the way, is the reason bosses try to reduce that cost, only to raise it when it backfires)
But, it's not surplus value. What the working class produces is massively more valuable than what it gets in return.

[Anonymous No.15214440]

>>15213686
(cont.)
Surplus value is value that can be used as capital to make profit. A worker has no capital or he stops being a worker and capitalists have all the willingness and means to prevent a worker from becoming a potential competitor.

What you get with your wage only has use value, not commodity value. You can't resell it at a profit. You don't get surplus value from wageslaving.

[Anonymous No.15214873]

>>15214398
>would not let other "free" devs repeat their own steps. Now, all new devs have to work in the environment the previous ones have created. They have to sell their capacity to work for the previous ones

No one is forcing them so they dont have to do this.

[Anonymous No.15214895]

>>15214384
Even if humans were 100% replaceable by automation we wouldnt need UBI. Humans who dont adapt can just live the "good old way" in their own communities somewhere. Like the amish.

Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.15214916]

>>15211929
Why do they even put "competitive" salary at every job offer? Does this mean minimum wage or what?

[Anonymous No.15214932]

>>15214895
>pathetic
What part of it would even be "pathetic"? Pathetic is being a wagecuck for some random toxic business and actually enjoying it (you).

[Anonymous No.15214946]

>>15214873
Literally retarded. I already explained this here, moron. I btfo you but what difference does it make. You just repeat yourself despite me destroying your logic.

Here is where you already stated this: >>15214028

Here is where I easily trashed your logic:
>>15214086
>You basically are (outisde of a minute amount of opportunities) if you want food and shelter.

[Anonymous No.15214952]

>>15211929
Boomers, parasites, shitty people in general.

[Anonymous No.15214959]

>>15214916
Ain't it funny how they don't post their salaries and just keep it a secret? Shit like that should be illegal. Employers should be forced to state their salary and be transparent.
>inb4 a random bootlicker defends this practice

[Anonymous No.15214972]

>>15214946
Make your own food and shelter in your own ideal community. Commies can build their own commie communities and live the life, why must they try to force me live their way? Why cant everyone just live how they want in their own communities?

[Anonymous No.15214979]

>>15214959
Classic statist thinking. You dont take in your statist thinking into account that the state will be used against you more. Dont give the state more power, retard.

[Anonymous No.15214996]

>>15212415
>marxist sounding like a broken records with their stories that don't explain anything
Marx was a hypocritical uberjew and his shit is all retarded.

[Anonymous No.15215004]

>>15214972
Because it fully depends on people smart than them and harder working than them funding them.

[Anonymous No.15215013]

>>15214979
>having businesses be transparent gives more power to businesses
What in the fuck are you blabbing about? You're making 0 sense

>>15214972
Sounds realistic. Oh wait. It doesn't. After your youth is gone, it's harder to adapt. Just look at animals kept in zoos, brainlet. If a lion is fed all its life and then thrown into the wild, it will just die.

Even if I could strive and avoid death, I've become to accustomed to living inside a society. It's just a mammal characteristic, brainlet.
"Moving" and straight up IGNORING issues that plague a place instead of thinking critically and pointing out flaws is nothing short of willful ignorance.

Need I remind you of the statistics above? What a flourishing country lmao

[Anonymous No.15215021]

>>15214979
How in the shit does making salaries transparent "give the state more power"? How would it impact the common person negatively?

LITERALLY makes no sense. Like what the hell are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.15215027]

>>15215013
>I have become accustomed to a certain lifestyle and it is YOUR duty to provide for me

No. I owe you nothing. Adapt or die. Natural selection is good for the genetic health of the species.

[Anonymous No.15215066]

>>15215027
>No. I owe you nothing. Adapt or die. Natural selection is good for the genetic health of the species.
Ya, I guess this is why you'll always be a wagecuck and nothing more. Stay a loser for life then. You talk high and mighty as if you're the top of the food chain when you're actually just a loser yourself.

[Anonymous No.15215078]

>>15215021
The more the state intervenes in everything, the more power it has. And once people have become accustomed to the state intervening in their lives then they see state intervention as the solution to everything. This is a one way ticket to high control police state nightmare. But you seem to like this idea.

[Anonymous No.15215081]

>>15215027
>YOUR duty to provide it for me
I am saying this system shouldn't revolve around using people as fucking cattle, dipshit.

The absolute state of bootlickers.
Wait. Everyone quiet. I hear this faggot doing something..

*gulp* *gulp* *gulp* *gulp*

Oh, it's the sound of that faggot chugging down cum.

[Anonymous No.15215090]

>>15215066
Nice strawman. Oh. It wasnt very nice after all. Try again.

[Anonymous No.15215094]

>>15215078
What in the flying FUCK does that have to do with businesses being transparent with salaries??? Try again. Try making sense this time.

You didn't answer how businesses being more transparent with salaries = common person is worse off. Try making sense this time.

[Anonymous No.15215106]

>>15215081
People can say "no". Cattle cannot. My poor, retarded fren.

[Anonymous No.15215108]

>>15215090
Na, THIS >>15215078 is a strawman. You are saying forcing employers to be transparent with salaries = the common person will get fucked over (how? No clue. You haven't explained jack shit).

You have a gap in logic there.

[Anonymous No.15215119]

>>15215094
You wanted to use the state to regulate businesses even more.

[Anonymous No.15215124]

>>15215106
>People can say "no". Cattle cannot

HAHAHAHA this is literally the third time I'm going to say this.

People CAN'T say no because they NEED employers to obtain money for food amd shelter. What an absolute fucking retard.

I swear to god, there's always that one village idiot in every fucking biz thread. Why? Why is there always a person lile you that can't fucking think?

Why repeat bullshit logic I already btfod?

[Anonymous No.15215129]

>>15214873
You mean noone is forcing them to work for one or the other particular company. They are forced to sell their capacity for work in general, though. Even if they freelance and function like a company themselves (meaning they have to hopelessly compete with structures much bigger than themselves), they're still dependent on bigger companies and the cost of such a choice is often prohibitive when balanced against living standards. The tendency for freelancers is to end up as workers in a big company. "Forcing" doesn't always mean physical coercion.

[Anonymous No.15215134]

>>15215108
Once commies use the state against capitalists, capitalists will take revenge and use the state against commies. And as capitalists are more talented than commies, guess who wins this fight? The state will be used against you in the end. Genius.

[Anonymous No.15215136]

>>15215119
Aaaaaand how would forcing employers to be transparent with salaries be a negative thing for the common person?

ANSWER THE GOD DAMN QUESTION for FUCKS sakes.

You keep dancing around it instead of answering the question. What a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.15215141]

>>15215124
I have 3 times said people can grow their own food and build their own shelter? Do you want me to show you the proof again? One more time, timmy.

[Anonymous No.15215147]

>>15215134
>The state will be used against you in the end. Genius.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

HOW would making salaries transparent hurt the common person? Can't you fucking think critically for ONCE in your life?

You STILL haven't answered my question. Instead, you are being vague as fuck. You mist have 30 IQ points. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.15215151]

>>15215147
This grows the governments capacity to regulate even more things.

[Anonymous No.15215159]

>>15215141
>just live in the wild dur hur
Ya, very fucking realistic choice.
You ignore the flaws of this country. Are you a dogmatic nationalist by any chance?

Lmao, I'm willing to bet if 100% of jobs paid hardship wages, you'd STILL think this country is "successful". I can't reason with the retarded.

[Anonymous No.15215171]

>>15215151
Strawman. I am specifically arguing about making salaries transparent. Nothing more.

You just like being cucked it seems. How sad it must be to have 0 backbone. Just a conformist. Truly you are pathetic. You have no pride.

[Anonymous No.15215183]

>>15215171
I have immense pride in the things I have built for myself and my family & friends.

[Anonymous No.15215186]

>>15215159
Its not the wild after you tame it. You didnt even look at my evidence, I see

[Anonymous No.15215203]

>>15215159
Leftists labeling something "hardship wage" doesnt mean anything. Twisting what words mean and misleading people proves nothing.

[Anonymous No.15215211]

>>15215183
You are prideful over being a conformist. A sheep that just follows the herd instead of questioning inefficiencies. You like getting stepped on by people with power. Ya, I guess people can have pride over being someone's bitch. I'm sure there are people out there that are proud over being prostitutes for instance. A better thing to say is that you have low standards. Low expectations. You are content with being a loser. To be nothing more than a pawn to be used and discarded. Progress happens with change, not by being a person like you that can't think outside the box. Someone like you who doesn't question anything and just accepts crap.

[Anonymous No.15215230]

>>15215203
Hardship wages is an actual term, you fucking moron.

Hardship wages = wages that pay so little that you can't even live off of it on your own.

You are nitpicking semantics too instead of focusing on what I was saying lmao.

The point I was making is that this country could be a big pile of shit, and you'd still defend it. 99% of people could die of starvation in the u.s. and you'd STILL call it a success.

You don't question inefficiencies. You are incapable of it.

[Anonymous No.15215246]

>>15215186
This is just a cop out to excuse this shit state this country is in. Anyone with half a brain can see what you're doing by saying "just live in the nature bro! No one is forcing you to live in this society!"

Cop out cop out cop out.

[Anonymous No.15215257]

>>15215211
Crying to daddy government isn't "thinking outside the box". And socialists are the ultimate sheep.

>>15215230
And a leftist thought of that term. No one is entitled to live "on their own". Want to live on your own but cant? Change something. Move to cheaper location or earn more. Adapt.

[Anonymous No.15215263]

>>15215246
Are you starting to panic? It is afraid...

[Anonymous No.15215290]

>>15215257
No, a sheep is someone like you. Someone who just accepts a shit society instead of having a desire to change it. Learn the difference.

>>15215257
>And a leftist thought of that term.
1. Semantics
2. Even IF that's true, that's 100% irrelevant. It is a fact that you can't live off a dollar. It doesn't matter if a leftist or someone from the right says that. It's common fucking sense, brainlet
3. Yet again, missing the point. You focus on the term I use instead of on the point. Typical of a sub 100 IQ dullard.

>No one is entitled to live "on their own".
So you prefer to be at the mercy of an employer. Yes, I get it. Some people are born with a natural desire to be a submissive bitch. Some people (like you) actually LIKE being dominated.

>Want to live on your own but cant? >Change something. Move to cheaper >location or earn more. Adapt.

Yes, let's just "move" instead of change anything wrong with society. Genius.

[Anonymous No.15215299]

>>15215263
Panic for pointing out that what you're doing is a cop out?

The retard actually thinks he's winning Lol.
Talking about reaching. You must be getting desperate

[Anonymous No.15215300]

>>15215290
I am changing it, but I am not forcing anyone to live like I live.

[Anonymous No.15215310]

>>15215263
Panic for pointing out that what you're doing is a cop out?

The retard actually thinks he's winning Lol.
Talk about reaching. You must be getting desperate

[Anonymous No.15215319]

>>15215290
>>15215299
You make me laugh. Your assumptions about me make me laugh harder. The amount of cope and projection in your posts boggles my mind.

[Anonymous No.15215344]

>>15215300
>I am changing it
Oh you're changing this society? Ya okay how?

I at least can admit I can't change anything, but instead of giving in like some conformist, at least my desire doesn't die. I don't submit like you do.

But no, you have no desire to change this society. Don't bullshit me. You're a confomist. A bootlicker. People like that accept society for what it is. They close their eyes and ears and pretend daunting statistics (like the ones I mentioned above) don't exist.

No, you don't have a desire to change anything. You don't have the personality for it. You're a sheep. Stop lying.

[Anonymous No.15215345]

>>15215257
His point isn't that you shouldn't make personal changes and adaptations. The point is, there are unfair limits to those changes. Moving to a cheaper location usually means a) spending more on transportation, b) finding a lower-paying job or c) having to make a one-way trip you can't afford.
The "earn more" option either presupposes there is a high-paying position available that isn't precarious as fuck or it presupposes there are trade unions prepared to back your demand. Otherwise, you have to find another job, lose your free time, risk not being as productive and, at the end of the day, still not make as much as your boss. It gets progressively less worth it as we speak.

[Anonymous No.15215352]

>>15215319
How is pointing out that what you did was an example of a cop out the equivalent to me "coping"?

Again, you're reaching out of desperation.

[Anonymous No.15215355]

>>15215310
Alright, kid. Playtime is over. Daddy has to go do adult things. Be good to mommy, alright?

[Anonymous No.15215390]

>>15215355
there's always a village idiot in every biz thread. That happens to be you. This argument just devolved thanks to you. You can leave. No one will miss you as you didn't actually provide any sort of reasoning other than "you don't have to live in this society. No one is forcing you to work 40+ hrs a week. You can just live in the forest" as if that's some optimal solution.

Ya, I'm not responding to you anymore. Waste of time. Nothing but strawman arguments and cop outs.

[Anonymous No.15216122]

>>15211948
My issue is that there is no efficient way to trade money to your employer for time.
My employer pays me 80k a year, I work 40 hours a week and get 2 weeks paid holiday. But can I trade in 50% of my salary to work half as much? No I can't. And while I can work hard to get more money, I could probably be making 120k in a few more years, nothing I do can reduce how much I work. This is where the entire system reveals its ugly face. Instead of giving me a 15% raise, why can't the company just promote me by giving my every friday off?
It's because your employment has nothing to do with exchange time for money, it's about keeping you busy forever. You make more and more money and the system just ropes you in with more and more commitments.

[Anonymous No.15216392]

>>15212335
not an argument

[Anonymous No.15216423]

>>15212238
>>15212313
notice how this delusional schizo communist retard just delves right into how "in capitalism, bla bla bla" without defining what it actually is, its just a big boogeyman their types can project all the bad things onto

The United States has not been even close to a "capitalist" country since 1911 (income tax) or 1913 (federal reserve).

[Anonymous No.15216444]

>>15216423
"America's economic system meets the definition of capitalism, but not pure free market capitalism. America has a mixed-market economy. This means it is a hybrid of corporate, state, social, free-market, crony, neoliberal, neocon, mercantile, etc. capitalism."

[Anonymous No.15216453]

>>15216423
Brainlet Lol. But sure, call everything you hate a "commie".

>notice how this delusional schizo capitalist retard just delves right into how "in communism, bla bla bla" without defining what it actually is, its just a big boogeyman their types can project all the bad things onto

Lmao see what I did there? Probably not as you need brain cells.

[Anonymous No.15216490]

>>15216453
>>15216444
(You)

[Anonymous No.15216494]

>>15216423
Congradulations. I jist roasted the fuck out of you. Be careful not to sound like a hypocrite next time.

[Anonymous No.15216514]

>>15216490
>has no counter-argument for my omega roast
>shitposts
Lol

>>15216494
*Congratulations
Before some dumbass tries to focus on this to gain an "advantage".

[Anonymous No.15216634]

>>15215390
>You can just live in the forest
No you can't lol there's no such thing as unclaimed land
You'll get raped in fines if you tried to live inawoods

[Anonymous No.15216657]

>>15211929
Dude this is literally why i'm going back into the coast guard once i'm done with my degree. Military life is so much more simple. If you aren't a low ranking scum and don't have a retarded job, the hours are much better than a traditional job as well. I'm in the reserves still, and I fucking worked four hours today. I'm the supervisor so I decided to let everyone out early. We all get paid the exact same amount as if we had worked for eight hours regardless.

[Anonymous No.15216693]

>>15216634
Why do you think I wrote that in quotes? You should be directing that comment to the guy I was responding to. He's the one arguing that bs.

[Anonymous No.15216755]

>>15216657
Ya, typical for profit jobs are total ass. I'm thinking of switching to a teaching job. Teachers get like almost 4 months off (summer break, winter break, spring break, and holidayd off). Job is easy too (not fast paced). Most seem to be union too (so job stability). Pay is pretty good compared to most jobs. Especially considering the easy work (say teaching 4th graders. It's just teaching basic multiplications and grammar). Easy job along with almost 4/12 months off while making what takes other 12+ months.
(Ik someone is going to get butthurt and say "teaching is hard because you work 50hrs a week and have to make a plan for the year during the summer". Bollocks. People who argue this have no real world experience and have no idea how easy teachers have it compared to the rest).

[Anonymous No.15216813]

>>15212420
is she making 100k or is someone else making 100k for her and then giving it to her in exchange for vagine?

[Anonymous No.15216859]

>>15211972
I agree with (you).