/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.15168104]

Let's talk universal basic income: are you for or against it? I'd definitely prefer it over the dumb $15/hr wage since it'll kill my tutoring bizness.

[Anonymous No.15168115]

absolutely for socialism

[Anonymous No.15168138]

>>15168104
Its inevitable for society. The best argument for it is automation.

[Anonymous No.15168144]

>>15168104
Why do you want to provide even more money to spics and niggers? That's the real question here.
Maybe you find it fun to pay more taxes just so illegals and shitskins in general can get more free gibs.

[Anonymous No.15168146]

You're still going to need that wage because prices are going to jump. But your bizness will be killed, so you're fucked

If Yang gets elected you could make money by shorting the dollar though

[Anonymous No.15168147]

if you make wages $15 an hour.. employers will fire staff and also buy machines to do it cheaper

if you do $1,000 for everyone who will pick up the trash? no one will want to do shitty jobs

[Anonymous No.15168153]

>>15168104
average person contributes nothing to society. Only takes from it. I'm for it.

[Anonymous No.15168157]

>>15168115
UBI is not socialism.

>Americans in shock in 3, 2, 1...

[Anonymous No.15168167]

>>15168115
Imagine thinking UBI is socialism KEK

[Anonymous No.15168192]

>>15168144
my taxes already pay for illegals and shitskins unfortunately, and so does yours

its only fair for us to get free gibs too

[Anonymous No.15168225]

>>15168147
garbage men make quite a lot of money im told

[Anonymous No.15168241]

>>15168138
For sure. A $15/hr minimum wage is just going to put automation in overdrive on retail and self driving with the added bonus of killing small businesses like mine.

>>15168144
But they already get the gibs regardless. Might as well lift people with disability, food stamps, housing, etc. that want to better themselves as well. My family used food stamps and I eventually contributed, isn't that a little worth it?

>>15168146
I don't think they'll rise that much. The only one I'm worried for is housing, but I'm sure it will figure itself out when landlords start undercutting the greedy ones to get more tenants.

[Anonymous No.15168306]

500 free linkers per month. Only literal cuckolds and brainwashed wagecucks would say no to this

[Anonymous No.15168314]

>>15168104

How about, stay with me here because this is a crazy and radical idea, we, or rather the government, DON'T steal money to redistribute it.

Property rights, insane idea I know.

[Anonymous No.15168327]

>>15168306
this has been proven a scam already. why waste your ubi?

[Anonymous No.15168334]

>>15168157

You're right, it's straight up bread lines Communism.

[Anonymous No.15168343]

>>15168104
Against because it makes people degenerates

[Anonymous No.15168368]

>>15168334
Yes give it to Israel instead

[Anonymous No.15168399]

>>15168368

Who do you think invented (((Communism)))? Who do think pays the (((political system)))? Look at a donor list for political candidates sometime, it's eye opening.

Jews:
>leon trotsky
>lenin
>stalin
>marx

Hmmmmmmm is there a relation between the two? Oh wait it's literally their religion to enslave the goyim.

[Anonymous No.15168438]

>>15168399
who do you think invented unfettered capitalism?

Jews
>Milton Friedman
>Rothbard
>Ayn Rand

Hmmmmmmm is there a relation between the two? Oh wait its literally their religion to enslave the goyim

[Anonymous No.15168439]

DISCORD TRANNIES GO BACK TO /POL/
GET OF MY BOARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWEWEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.15168478]

>>15168399
>stalin
>jewish

Read up on the Doctor's plot, brainlet

[Anonymous No.15168793]

>>15168144
it's actually deducted from all the other gibs if you already receive 500 in wellfare you can only opt in for another 500, you can't get both and end up at 1500
Atleast this way everyone gets some free gibs for chicken tendies

[Anonymous No.15169254]

>>15168104
the $ would hyperinflate
smart people would invest in deflationary assets

[Anonymous No.15169354]

>>15168104
when I think about what we should be doing in an ideal world, UBI makes so much fucking sense. as a society we really ought to be focusing our efforts on automating as much work as we can. That's what makes the future so damn exiting isn't it? imagine if we were able to get over the fear of loosing jobs and instead put our best and brightest minds to the task of automating people don't actually enjoy doing. we'd be able to be fully human again. a shit cashier job is not something anyone should be proud of or afraid to lose. nobody wants to spend their short lives here wasting their time doing shit like that.

[Anonymous No.15169363]

>>15168104
not with current demographics

[Anonymous No.15169368]

>>15169354
automating *work people doing enjoy doing.

[Anonymous No.15169442]

basic human needs becoming a basic human right is next step in human race evolution. No hunger, no fear of tomorrow. I cannot see any negative about this other than niggers and shitskins will not improve but might even get worse by the time they will be fully eliminated by the natural selection but most desperate and criminal real human beings will become better. I would even argue this may reduce crime to zero. People need to shift their mnds from hoarding wealth to contributing to evolution. With the current system it is not really possible because you are forced to do things you dont like and being shit on by people and none of us have a choice but to take it in the ass because we need to make a basic most of the time meaningless contributions to the system (not society) to be rewarded with basic human needs to survive.

[Anonymous No.15169506]

>>15169442
that's what I'm saying. it makes sense from a high level perspective. the transition period will be fucking rough though and it's likely not going to turn out well for us. I mean, people who are connected and smart will absolutely thrive in this new paradigm, but the masses are dumb asses. most people will probably stagnate and go numb from posting on their phones all day long. it's probably gonna end up looking a lot like A Brave New World.

[Anonymous No.15169696]

>>15169506
the degeneracy we see today with leftwing fantasy politics activism and social deformatism like feminism and gender studies is not directly linked to overall increased living standards but to individual take on life and misuage of technlogy and the possibility of not doing anything, being lazy asshole and still get a way with it will not really change with UBI. These people will continue being walking cancer poor or not. Increasing the most basic layer of living standards for every single human being will actually help with people having time and energy to counter argument these imbeciles and eventually cut them off from the society, because the society will live to very high standard and expectations and two digit degenerate IQ low personality individuals will not be taken seriously or given a political/media platform of interest.

[Anonymous No.15169759]

>>15168104
It's not enough to live on, and isn't sustainable.

[Anonymous No.15170083]

Depends on who pays for it. If Andrew Yang can actually get the money from big tech, like he claims, then of course. Who wouldn't want $12k/year for FREE without paying any more in tax? Just seems like a big hurdle to collect ~$1T/year in taxes from tech - is this a possible reality or just a pipe dream?

[Anonymous No.15170164]

>>15168104
Reminder yanfags are more deluded and gayer than even bernie bots because they want to give their guns and rights away to a chink in exchange for 1k

[Anonymous No.15170202]

>>15169759
It's not meant for you to live on. It's meant to help you survive better when the robots take away your job until you can find a job elsewhere. Look at all the truckers in the Midwest state who will soon be out of jobs because of self-driving trucks. The 1000$ per month will only be a soft landing scenario for them once they're out of job and have to go find one elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.15170215]

>>15168104
i think itd be great, idk if 1000/mo is viable right now, though. can anyone explain to me his idea to generate enough tax revenue? i believe 1000/mo per US citizen is above the entire current tax revenue of the US by itself

[Anonymous No.15170265]

>>15170164
Better than giving gun rights away under Trump and getting nothing in return other than sucking Israel's dick.

>Trump signed an EO for the bump-stock ban
>Trump signed an EO for the bump-stock ban
>Trump signed an EO for the bump-stock ban
>Trump signed an EO for the bump-stock ban
>Trump signed an EO for the bump-stock ban
>Trump signed an EO for the bump-stock ban

[Anonymous No.15170266]

>>15170083
The thing you're missing is that the entire social security system will be replaced with the UBI. So all the people on welfare will lose their free money that they only get, and now will get the same amount of money as anybody else.

What do you prefer, you as a worker getting nothing from the government while somebody on welfare gets 1k a month, or you as a worker getting the same 1k a month that the guy on welfare gets? It's going to save tens of billions of dollars.

[Anonymous No.15170277]

>>15170164
Funny that trumptards still support their kike-puppet in chief even after saying he'd take your guns away before sending you to court.

[Anonymous No.15170280]

>>15170202
>Look at all the truckers in the Midwest state who will soon be out of jobs because of self-driving trucks.
creatures that cannot adapt, you should die.

[Anonymous No.15170390]

>>15169354
this. otherwise its going to be a constant struggle to find useless, made-up work for people to do to "validate" their existence. whats the quote about inspectors inspecting inspectors?

automation is currently a big issue for me personally becuase one of the biggest terminals in the port of los angeles is going to be automated in the next 3 or so years. its government land, so they could have told the Danish company to fuck off and keep some of the billions in profits in the US economy, but now longshoreman are pretty fucked, the local economy at large is pretty fucked, and i dont think even the government gains any benefit since the company will probably pay the same lease theyve been paying for years

[Anonymous No.15170457]

>>15170280
how do you propose people at large should adapt to a 90% decrease in job supply in any sector that can be automated, with no clear replacements? in the past, the high rate of advancement of technology allowed other sectors to pop up and employ people, but now automation has become too advanced, such that very little is off the chopping block right now, and even less will be in the next 50 years. all the jobs are going to funnel upward to highly educated positions, and most people already cant afford college.

whats your job, btw?

[Anonymous No.15170498]

>>15170266
>So all the people on welfare will lose their free money
never gonna happen. yang is a fucking pipe dream for stupid teenagers

[Anonymous No.15170543]

>>15170498
maybe that would help prevent stupid teenagers from committing mass murder if their future doesnt look so bleak financially

[Anonymous No.15170548]

>>15170498
if we were a sane society, we'd be planning ahead and this sort of thing would be common sense. we're not though, so yeah, best we can hope for is for the oceans to rise 20' overnight and drown 90% of the population.

[Anonymous No.15170554]

You dont need to generate more money from somewhere to integrate UBI. The UBI can be in a form of credits (or crypto) with a one month expiration date to make sure they go right back in the economy. It also allows protection against misuse like gambling, buying drugs and guns.

[Anonymous No.15170576]

the word "basic" should really be understood as basic need income

[Anonymous No.15170586]

>>15170498
Why not? Every person on welfare will be paid the same amount of money as regular people working. This is very Libertarian in principle (lack of discrimination), hence why a lot of leftists disagree with Yang. Or do you like the modern system where you slave away while folks on welfare sit in their homes with cash flowing in?

I think you Trump supporters are just afraid of the fact that the US will have to take away the money it gives to foreign states like Israel and Saudi Arabia, and will spend it on Americans instead. Oh how frightening!

[Anonymous No.15170593]

>>15170266
>all those government workers become jobless and choke Main Street with their harping their petty rule following and their fatass go-carts
>this is somehow a good thing

[Anonymous No.15170603]

>>15170554
if we introduce a new type of credit or currency to give the UBI value, i think that would create inflation as effectively as just printing the same amount of value in dollars

[Anonymous No.15170613]

>>15170164
Read his policies. He doesn't want to take your guns, only make it substantially harder to obtain them. I understand owning a gun for self defense 100%, but when any mentally ill faggot can acquire a gun, then we have a serious problem.

[Anonymous No.15170642]

>>15170603
well nope because they will not be USD traded against foreign currency power or to accumulate inside wealth -> expiration date.

[Anonymous No.15170664]

>>15170603
basic things like food, housing, hygiene and medication should not be valued in USD. I think its very obvious step forward when you think about it with very futuristic perspective.

[Anonymous No.15170677]

>>15168157
>Socialism is not socialism!
>Says person living in socialist nation
Not surprised

[Anonymous No.15170689]

>>15170642
you cant make it all expire otherwise the business that receives it just lost the money. can the businesses that receive it from customers only spend it within the US? this just becomes a weird hypothetical situation that i cant imagine, but im sure someone with an economics or finance degree could sum up as being an impossibility pretty quickly, and easily

[Anonymous No.15170697]

>>15168115
Absolutely for National socialism! FTFY

[Anonymous No.15170720]

>>15170613
yes and guns have no place in the future world. There should be no need to be afraid when everyone is gay and happy with zero fear of complete bankruptcy with UBI always ensuring stress-free tomorrow. Fuck weapons, violence and niggers

[Anonymous No.15170722]

>>15169442
Nope. You dont have the right to children until you can support them. Take your shit out 5 children gibs mentality out of here please.

[Anonymous No.15170754]

Instead of a UBI that gives $1,000 to everyone, including millionaires who have no need for welfare, why not just give more money to poor people and reduce the tax rate on low-income earners?

[Anonymous No.15170755]

>>15170689
the expiration date is for the personal wallet. The merchant providing the basic needs business (food, medication and whatever) will be able to cash it out normally in USD but doing so under strict regulations because his business will be fully automated. Not a fan of raising taxes but in this case taxing equally to the level of automation of the basic needs providing businesses will work

[Anonymous No.15170773]

>>15168478

[Anonymous No.15170783]

Anything given for free can be taken away. Not only will it fuck up the price of goods and cause the value of our money to tank, but it will give the government even more control over our lives.

[Anonymous No.15170790]

>>15170722
thats why UBI applies to 21 (or 18) years and above only

[Anonymous No.15170792]

>>15170215
According to Yang, he proposes to have a slight VAT (I think it's 10%) on every transaction, self driving mile, etc. to make some shekels there. You also consider the amount of local jobs that will be created from small businesses now that they don't have to be burdened with paying workers higher wages. It doesn't stack up with different forms of gibs in housing, food stamps, etc. so people would choose UBI instead of the former gibs due to convenience. I think with all of this it goes down from the 3-4T to about 0.8-1.2T.

[Anonymous No.15170794]

>>15170755
i hope you're right about the tax based on automation thing. but if the businesses still cash out your proposed new ubi currency in USD, then it still becomes essentially a case of printing out more USD. the value does need to come from somewhere, idk what the plan is for raising tax revenue enough to meet the huge amount 1000/mo ubi encompasses

[Anonymous No.15170820]

>>15170754
that's the current model and it's not working very well.

[Anonymous No.15170825]

That $1000 should just be for tuition.
It will encourage more people to get skills so they can prepare for automation.

[Anonymous No.15170850]

>>15170794
the value should from the increased productivity. if we automate labor, the gains on that enterprise need to be taxed more aggressively.

[Anonymous No.15170852]

>>15170792
>I think with all of this it goes down from the 3-4T to about 0.8-1.2T.
is that the defecit left over after everything you just lined out, or is that the amount of tax we need from the VAT, etc. after accounting for our current welfare spending transitioning to UBI?

[Anonymous No.15170882]

>>15170850
well, yeah, thats what i mean. thats different from >>15170554, or at least my understanding of what you meant, which i thought was "just print another currency out of thin air"

[Anonymous No.15170884]

>>15170794
fully automated business might be taxed to the extend they are almost run by the governemnt itself. This may seem horrible in the eyes of hardcore capitalists but basic human needs should be free, not a business. The future where cyborgs and AI in every corner along with immortality (okay that is farfetched) just should not be worried about such trivial thing as "money"

[Anonymous No.15170899]

>>15170882
>>15170850
not "you", "him". im not used to IDs, im used to assuming things

[Anonymous No.15170914]

or you know what guys? In the really distant future the credits with an expiration date could be exchanged directly to the AI that runs the basic needs factory for their own development, kek. The "credits" could be a bandwidth pass for more computer power. Shet!

[Anonymous No.15170949]

>>15170914
>automated processing equipment used to mine new crypto
>disseminated to US citizens

[Anonymous No.15170962]

>>15170754
>why not just give more money to poor people and reduce the tax rate on low-income earners?
We already do that and it promotes stagnation. UBI would also promote stagnation, but the people that want to do better but also need the money would be blessed. The VAT would start to offset the UBI if you were a stupidly heavy consumer. Otherwise, you would be gaining money every single time.

[Anonymous No.15171001]

>>15170825
College does not equal having a job, even with the amount of jobs in STEM.

[Anonymous No.15171013]

UBI would end the middle class and permanently cement the jewish oligarchy and the mulatto castizo underclass. I'm still voting for him to get that mf bag though.

[Anonymous No.15171030]

>>15170825
you could use it for that, or for a trade, or since the economy cant run on 100% STEM or trades, people can survive on whatever shit job they have that allows certain businesses to function